Why can't the Bible be God's divinely inspired Word written by humans AND a historical record? Parts of the Old Testament were known only as "oral tradition" prior to being written in scrolls. Isn't it possible that some words may have been mis-dictated? But if God is as powerful as Christians believe, isn't it possible that the One who spoke "let there be light" could possibly get his point across to humanity in the written word? Doesn't the Truth show itself in the continuity of the whole Book? The themes of Love and humility go throughout...but the Old Testament is filled with death, war, murder, unfaithfulness - while the New Testament leans more toward Jesus' new way. But is there contradiction?
---Dale on 2/22/10|
The writer of revelation is John the Apostle. The other names you recite were fictitious names. They were surmised by the early church (adopted by the RCC) you can research that yourself.
Your answer on the Tense of the Book is: that All tense are applied simultaneously since Gods existence is in all time (I AM). In short (as Christ pointed out) There is no time, it is merely a concept of man and fits in mans dimension, not Gods. In fact all of scripture is written all tense (past present future) using 4 layers of writings.
The Greek uses Aorist (non-tense) in the LXX/NT.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/22/10|
The problem with A's question is its subjective focus, i.e., on people. The question should've objectively focused & asked, WHO AUTHORED THE BIBLE? But, that would've been problematic for him since he says he doesn't believe in "GOD". The idea that God exists & caused (Holy Ghost inspired) men to write/pen His Bible is a reality A' would rather not believe.
It's a fact, authors oftentimes personally pen their writings. Then there are times they choose to use "ghost writers".
Interestingly, people who say there's no God actually put themselves on par with God in that they would have us to believe they know all there is to know about a creation minus a Creator.
---Leon on 2/22/10|
MarkV ... If you actually read my post, I don't think you would have replied as you did.
I am saying the same as you said on 2/18. God did not dictate the Bible ... it was written by men.
Where did I say it was not Truth?
Where have I found fault with the Word of God?
Where am I discrediting the Bible?
Where have I questioned what is said?
I have mentioned different perceptions of happening (as you did) and I am talking about the ways in which things are exxpressed ... not the Truth behind them.
Do you see the difference?
This is one of your problems, Mark ... you often criticise me when I say the same as you, but in a different way.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/10|
Alan, Jody is right. I am your friend and brother in Christ and I see that you continue to persist to discredit the Word of God (the Bible). You might as well not believe you are saved, for maybe what Jesus did was not true at all, since Jesus didn't write it. That is not good Alan. Of course it is your right to do so but not wise. Either you believe it is the Word of God by faith or you stand with Athiest looking for reasons to find fault with the Word of God. Others might interpret something different but they don't question what is said. They know different writers, and revisions have been done. The original manuscripts are the Truth. The revisions still represent the Word of God. Maybe some better then others.
---MarkV. on 2/22/10|
Warwick ... I beleive that alot of the Bible is a historical record written by men, telling what actually happened. "Acts" is one such.
As to Job, I don't think the discussions between Job and his "friends" were spoken as they are recorded. Th ebiblical record is a summary of all the feelings accusations and converstions.
It's the ordinary, recorded as literature. A secualr example could be the "Once more into the breach dear friends, once more" speech in Shakespeare's Henry V.
Genearlly, I don't accept thaqt God dictated the Bible word for word, as some imply
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/10|
well if the person calls himself Atheist... all you need to do is ghet a good dictionary and look for the word.
i do not think Atheist ever acknowledged he believed there is any god, so when he questions certain things he does that from the atheistic vieuw. even if he goes to church, he probably anly agrees with the opening word only.
if i am wrong, I invite you Atheist, to explain openly what your beliefs are, and the others i invite to use that fruit of patience for him to finnish his lines.
God bless, (or be lucky)
---Andy3996 on 2/22/10|
Hi, Atheist . . . you asked for "evidence" of who wrote Revelation. At the start of the book, we have "John" saying he is writing it. And he says he was *told* by God to write what he writes. And what is written is not, I consider, what humans produced by just-physical evolution would be able to imagine. And the content of Revelation matches with the kind of subject matter that inspired writers of the Bible would write, in my impression.
But if I ask you for evidence of evolution, I might mean scientific method proof. This would be a very different kind of evidence to ask for.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/21/10|
Jim, The "world's Inspired" is not the samething as "God's Inspired". The world defines inspiration as "a good feeling", but God defines inspiration as "breathed or spoken by God". Therefore according to scripture, direct writing IS inspired writing, and inspired writing IS direct writing.
---Eloy on 2/21/10|
Holy men of God wrote the Bible by the power of the Holy Spirit. They wrote what they were told to write by the Spirit. Yes, God used man to write His Words. So in actuality, the Bible is written by God. The actual name of any man by whos hand God used is unimportant.
---jody on 2/21/10|
chapter 1 verse 4,and verse 9 tell who and where,which is an accepted fact of history.
---tom2 on 2/20/10|
atheist, using concise English in 125 words or less, what are your basic beliefs of living?
---Steveng on 2/19/10|
men,INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.not one used the name athiest.Friend let me just say that your blog name OFFENDS ME,but you have the right to be a non believer,but praise God one day he will have a short talk with you,then a barbecue,and you are invited.
---tom2 on 2/19/10|
Atheist evidence does not talk for itself. It is interpreted through an individuals world-view. To explain: Imagine two scientists at the Grand Canyon, one evolutionist, one creationist. The evidence is the same but one would assuredly say-look at what a little water did over vast ages. The other would say-look what a lot of water did in a short period of time. Same evidence, different conclusions, because no proof exists to show what the facts are.
I believe in God's word by faith, supported by evidence. I have not asked you for evidence for microbe-to-man-evolution, but for proof, because you say it is proven fact.
I look forward to an answer regarding the 'frightening consequences' of believing in and following Jesus.
---Warwick on 2/19/10|
Alan, how can we comprehend the relationship between God and those whom He chose to write His word? I believe 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20 give insight, making it clear all Scripture is 'God Breathed..." and that prophets did not speak private thoughts but "spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
As I previously said I believe the author is the one with whom the thoughts originated. It is his book. Scripture is God's word, some of it seen through the experiences of God chosen men who wrote of the part they played in God's plan, under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit-God breathed. It is God's book, He is the author of the Bible.
Do you imagine Job's comments were a surprize to God?
---Warwick on 2/19/10|
And in the Apocalypse John saw this new [Jerusalem] descending upon the new earth.
--Irenaeus Against Heresies Book 5 Chapter 35
died in 202AD according to Wikipedia, so He lived during the 2nd Century AD.
He was referencing..
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Later in the chapter Irenaeus calls him the John, the Lord's disciple.
That is what I found instantly.. I coud get some more historical evidence if I research more. Thank you for your interest Atheist.
---MIchael on 2/19/10|
I agree with what I understand Ignatius, Cluny, Alan, and Warwick to be saying. And that is that the Bible was not written from God as to a dictaphone.
That system of belief tends to think that a specific word used the OT has the exact-detailed specific meaning of a word in the NT, not taking into account the different langauge, culture, or setting issues when the book in question was written.
For example, when "wisdom" is used in Proverbs, does it have the exact same meaning when used in James?
---Rod4Him on 2/19/10|
John the Apostle, John the Evangelist and John of Patmo according to some were one in the same. According to others, because of their writing styles, language, mastery of grammar, etc. were different people.
The question of whoever actually penned the book is less interesting than the claim the the writer was provided his inspiration by 'god'. But certainty about that would be satifying as a start.
And does the book refer to past historical events, events of the future or is it a vast and confusing allegory?
---atheist on 2/19/10|
True that Pastor Jim! Now watch what A' does with your pearls. :)
---Leon on 2/19/10|
>you constantly demand evidence for evolution, so evidence of how the bible or one book of it was created should be easy enough for you.
PMJI. I've never demanded evidence from anyone about evolution. John wrote the book of Revelation. Martin Hengel did an iunteresting study in which he found that back in those days they would attach a tag to the handle of teh scrolls that indicated who wrote it and what it was about.
---djconklin on 2/19/10|
The Creator is the author of the Holy Bible, and his Almighty Spirit moved his creature man to write down his spoken words. The enemies of God's Word along with them whom choose to neglect God's published words, have many many times tried in vain to obliterate the Word from spreading across the land and from public availability. But the reason that the Hebrew Bible, along with the entire Holy Scriptures are not lost is because God himself is preserving them, and he desires people to come to repentance and to be saved. "The grass withers, the flower fades: but the word of our God will stand for ever. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." Isaiah 40:8+ Matthew 24:35.
---Eloy on 2/19/10|
\\No games here. But you constantly demand evidence for evolution, so evidence of how the bible or one book of it was created should be easy enough for you.
---atheist on 2/19/10\\
It's no big secret who the various writers of the Bible were, atheist.
I gave the names of several.
I've even heard that Baruch, the disciple of Jeremiah, was used by God to put the Hebrew Scriptures in their final form.
Since there were changes in the script used from the time of Moses until after the exile, somebody had to do it.
---Cluny on 2/19/10|
Jim, great points about Revelation, been that it was the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave Him to show His servants, when He send and signified it by His Angel to His servant John. When in turn John who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Christ, to all thing that he saw wrote them down to the seven churches which were in Asia.
---MarkV. on 2/19/10|
The Book of revelation was penned by the apostle John under the direction of the Jesus Christ after the Resurection.
It is a word for word writing received directly from the risen Christ.
In this book John acted as the secretary. and was dictated to by The Christ. "write down what you see and hear"
This is a direct writing NOT an inpired writng. Just like the prophets.
---Pastor_JIm on 2/19/10|
atheist, anyone here who has studied the Scriptures can answer this question for you. The generally accepted writer was the Apostle John(not the Baptist). Since I wasn't there to actually know this for myself, I have no problem accepting this to be true. Each "book" of the Bible was written by a specific individual, but, ultimately authored by the Holy Spirit of God. It is true that the Scriptures have been "manipulated" by many people over the centuries for their own agendas. Some even believed they were doing the will of God, but, were wrong. The human element causes many problems in this world.
---tommy3007 on 2/19/10|
I tried to be more specific, asking the question, "Who wrote revelation"?---but the moderator would not post it. So I generalized it to this.
Tell me, who wrote the book of revelation? I will be happy enough if you can show evidence of who held the pen.
No games here. But you constantly demand evidence for evolution, so evidence of how the bible or one book of it was created should be easy enough for you.
---atheist on 2/19/10|
Warwick ... "In this sense God wrote the Bible as He was dealing with writers who were dedicated to Him, listening to Him, and endeavouring to faithfully convey His message"
Warwick ... Job railed against God. Did God put those protestations into Job's mouth? No of course not, they were Job's thoughts and words.
Did God write the record of the wars? Did God write or dictate the secular history of His people?
You appear to be supporting the idea that He merely dictated the Bible. And this of course means that we are all puppets.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/19/10|
\\Cluny, I trust God and am therefore convinced the Bible is His story, from cover to cover. He is the author of life and the author of the Bible.
---Warwick on 2/18/10\\
There's a big difference between saying that the Bible is God's story (which I have never disputed) and saying He is the author of the Bible.
But I guess that distinction is too subtle for you to grasp.
---Cluny on 2/19/10|
agnostic: "More than that has frightening consequences." Oh you poor little thing. So scared of those horrible Christians. You seem to be a bit confused about religions. It is the Muslims who teach the murder of unbelievers like you, not us Christians.
---jerry6593 on 2/19/10|
Atheist what 'frightening consequences' lie in Jesus' command to love your neighbour as yourselves, or do unto others as you would have them do unto you, or love your enemies? Or indeed in any of His words? This is not a rhetorical question.
What frightening consequesces lie in nations run upon atheistic 'morality'? Think of Pol Pot's Cambodia, Mao's China, Stalin's Russia, where atheistic monsters turned upon their own people, slaughtering 10's of millions! Frightening consequences indeed.
Jesus tells us how to love all people.
Atheism, based upon evolutionism, is a horror of survival of the fittest, 'nature red in tooth and claw' which has no concrete foundation for morality other than changing falible human opinion.
---Warwick on 2/19/10|
For those who are stating that God spoke with voice and appeared in a form here is some scripture to ponder.
Jo.1.18-"John the baptist says,"no one has seen God at any time....".
Also,Jo.5.37,Jesus says,"Ye have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape".
This would and does imply that from the bible beginnings the personal appearances and voice of God himself are not so.
This however does not affect spiritual personalities involved or spiritual thought recieved .The verses reflect only physical senses-both visual, vocal and audio ranges that are common to the human species .From our thoughts we choose our actions that follows.
---earl on 2/19/10|
"Why would atheist care who actually put pen to paper?"
I care because I share space on this planet with 'believers'. Since many believers using one scripture or another feel that they are doing "god's" will based on what they read or how they interprete what they read, I do not discount the relevency of Bible. The actions of believers effect my life, my children's lives, and the future of this planet.
The inerrancy and literal 'truth' that believers claim they find thus affects everyone.
Those who use it as a spiritual guide, as what Cluny called 'mature Christians', and get comfort from it, I can understand. More than that has frightening consequences.
---atheist on 2/18/10|
Ignatius, it depends upon definition of words. Literally 'wrote' refers to the act of putting pen to paper. However it is common to say that someone wrote a book even if they actually dictated it. In this sense God wrote the Bible as He was dealing with writers who were dedicated to Him, listening to Him, and endeavouring to faithfully convey His message. They were in His hand. The intensity of their committment is demonstrated by the number who went to their deaths, willingly, serving Him. I believe it is difficult for us to place ourselves in their shoes, to comprehend the relationship between them and the Holy Spirit.
In posing the question I believe Atheist is playing games, endeavouring to say the Bible is purely a human work.
---Warwick on 2/18/10|
Cluny, I trust God and am therefore convinced the Bible is His story, from cover to cover. He is the author of life and the author of the Bible.
---Warwick on 2/18/10|
Warwick, I agree with Cluny. Mark V and Alan are correct in their assertions as well. The phrase "God wrote the Bible" is a typical Pop-Evangelical Protestant phrase, but it not correct, and will cause confusion. There is big difference between saying the writers of the Holy Bible were divinely inspired and saying God actually wrote the Holy Bible.
---Ignatius on 2/18/10|
\\It is irrelevant who puts "pen to paper."\\
If you don't like the answer you get, don't ask the question.
There's a big difference between "God inspired the writers of the Bible" and "God wrote the Bible."
The latter is a rather immature and puerile view of it.
---Cluny on 2/18/10|
Mark ... With you all the way on this!
You make a good point about the Psalms and anger. I can't imagine that the Holy Spirit dictated the words of those angry, hurt, suffering Psalms to David, using him merely as a secretary.
David wrote those Psalms because he was hurting. It was David who was hurt/upset/mad, not God. It was David who had sinned and needed to cry out his repentance.
But the Holy Spirit enabled/inspired David to write those Psalms in a way that we could understand the hurt, and relate them to ourselves, and to our own relationships with Gode and others
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/18/10|
Cluny I disagree.
It is irrelevant who puts "pen to paper." Conversely it matters whose word it is. In worldly terms it matters not whether an author dictates to a person, a machine, or 'pens' it himself. The author is the one with whom the thoughts originated. It is his book. Likewise Scripture is God's word, some of it seen through the experiences of God chosen men who wrote of the part they played in God's plan, under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit-God breathed. It is God's book, He is the author of the Bible.
Why would atheist care who actually put pen to paper?
Atheist is a man of faith who continues blogging here hoping to undermine our faith in Jesus, and His word. He has no hope
---Warwick on 2/18/10|
Alan, you are right in that point. When I begin to learn hermeneutics I got lessons on what to look for in Scripture. The Bible is written by different people with different feelings and emotions. Each writer does show his emotions on certain cercumstances. They display pain and suffering while yet writing what the Spirit wants them to write. They write what they are inspired to write but with their own emotions an feelings. Sometimes they are mad or angry, as in some Psalm's and other places. Yet what they write is the Truth. Even when satan lies, they write it down because it is True that he said what he did. It doesn't mean that what satan said was true only that he did say it.
---MarkV. on 2/18/10|
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Hi, Mark. In fact you don't disagree with me on this one!
We both agree the Gospel writers wrote slightly different accounts, as they each saw slightly different things about Jesus. I would distrust them if they all said the same!
And I agree that they were inspired by God (the Holy Spirit) to write, as humans, what they had seen their Master do, and heard Him say.
My objection was to the idea put forward by Leslie that they were dictated by God, as to a secretary, & that therefore the four were mindlessly just wielding the pen.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/18/10|
I agree with MarkV. Different writers seeing events taking place from different perspectives. That doesn't take the inspiration away, it simply means that man will see things through his own paradigm.
Paul said in Acts 22:9 that those with him on Damascus Rd. did NOT hear the voice of the Lord. Yet, Luke said in Acts 9:7 that those with Paul HEARD the voice. Is this an indictment against inspiration? No, Luke likely spoke to those with Paul when compiling his information, and Paul was too busy having his life changed to know what the others heard or didn't hear. Paul simply isn't a good witness to those with him, but Luke would be if he interviewed them later.
---Ken on 2/18/10|
Alan, I have to disagree with you on this one. The reason the gospels don't have the same words, is because they were different people writing the gospels. Witnessess as to how they saw what happened or what was told to them and wrote it that way. Just as four people cannot see the same thing even when they are together, each writer puts his point of view as to what they saw and heard. But that does not exclude them from being inspired by the Holy Spirit. It would really look false if they all said the same words. It would mean that someone copied one from the other.
---MarkV. on 2/18/10|
\\Nonetheless 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20 make it clear that all Scripture is 'God Breathed..." and that prophets did not speak their private thoughts but "spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
Therefore God is the author of the Bible.\\
But that was not the quesiton atheist asked.
He asked who WROTE theBible.
And I suggest that the various writers of Holy Scripture were not always aware of the significance of what they were writings.
Ignatius--you expressed my thoughts exactly.
---Cluny on 2/18/10|
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In the Garden of Eden, "MAN"kind (both male and female) was at his purest ("in His image"). If everything went right, "in His image man" would have had many sons that would also be "in His image".
God wants us to be like a "SON OF man" ("in His image man"). I can't help but notice the resemblance of aetheists to a "SON of man".
...and who is "lord" (ruler) of the sabbath?....
Mark 2:28...also Matthew 12:8 and Luke 6:5.
"so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath".
Maybe Leonardo Da Vinci had wise understanding about "Universal Man".
Thank you for your kind recognition of aetheists.
---more_excellent_way on 2/18/10|
ATHEIST I LIKE ALL YOUR POSTS!
It exposes the depth of the ignorance of Christians.
I agree with Cluny on this one.
For the exception of the prophets, who were conduits of God and "channeled" his words from God to ink.
Actually from God to Prophet to Secretary to ink.
(Still don't know how an Atheist is a Pagan. Since you believe in no god and they believe in many gods HMMM?? oh well...)
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/17/10|
Thank you for your comments Ignatius.
Regarding the inspiration of Scripture, Exodus springs to mind. God commands Moses what to say to Pharaoh. Moses complies. God says "I have made you like God to him." (Exodus 7:1) because Moses spoke for God! God told Moses, Moses told Pharoah- it happened. Possibly Moses spoke in his own style, not 'word for word,' nonetheless conveying Truth. No Godly reprimand for failing to stick to the script, is recorded. I am confident Truth personified would have corrected him if necessary.
Likewise the Holy Spirit spoke to those chosen to pen God's word. They faithfully passed His Truth to us.
Those who approach God's word with faith, not scepticism see what this faith achieves.
---Warwick on 2/17/10|
Furthermore, there is evidence to the belief that the authors of the Holy Bible dictated their messages to a person and in turn that person wrote it down. Warwick is correct in his assertion.
---Ignatius on 2/17/10|
We need to make a distinction. Holy Scriptures are divinely inspired, but humanly expressed. God did not take over the bodies of those who wrote the books (76 books) of the Holy Bible, as in a traced, and simply use there hands as a instrument to write down his words. Thus, to say that "God wrote the Bible" is unorthodox. It is a typical Pop-Evangelical Protestant phrase.
The authors of the Holy Bible were certainty guided by the Holy Spirit, as the Leader of the Holy Apostles, Saint Peter, said (2 Pet 2:20-21). However, God allowed the writers to freely expressed His message, according to their ability. Why do you think there is outgoing debate among Biblical Scholars on who actually wrote 2 Peter, etc?
---Ignatius on 2/17/10|
God instructed certain godly men to write down his words in a book in order to pass his words on to the future generations and to the children that would come after--Eloy
Eloy, you have said it all and said it wll.
---larry on 2/17/10|
Luk 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Act 1:16 Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
"Peter can say that men wrote as moved by HS but that's his opinion."+
"It's a matter of who you believe!"---1st_cliff on 2/17/10
---MIchael on 2/17/10|
Cluny, if by "wrote" you mean who held the 'pen' then God only directly wrote the 10 Commandments. Further there is good evidence Bible writers dictated their messages to an amanuensis, persons hired to write from dictation.
In Galatians 6:11 and Colossians 4:18 Paul makes a point of saying he wrote these letters in his own hand, as though this was not his usual custom.
Nonetheless 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20 make it clear that all Scripture is 'God Breathed..." and that prophets did not speak their private thoughts but "spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
Therefore God is the author of the Bible.
---Warwick on 2/17/10|
Leslie suggests that "wrote" means "it was written by human hands, but they were just taking dictation from God, like a secretary does for her boss"
I don't think there is anything in scripture to support that.
Is there anything in Scripture to support the view that for example God dictated the gospels to MML & J? I find the four separate, slightly different, Gospels much more credible if we accept they are the faithful recording by men of what Jesus did, said and taught.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/17/10|
\\You wrote "And where does the Bible say that God actually wrote it Himself?" Please define what you mean by "wrote."
---Warwick on 2/17/10\\
Usually, when talking about 2000-4000 years ago, "to write" means to pick up a reed pen, dip it in ink, and inscribe words onto parchment or papyrus.
What did YOU mean by "wrote"?
---Cluny on 2/17/10|
God is quite capable of writing,He wrote on stone tablets an gave them to Moses.
That's ALL He wrote.(period)
The rest are sacred writings compiled into book form (OT)
The NT is a documentary Christ's earthly ministry!
Peter can say that men wrote as moved by HS but that's his opinion.
"Peter wrote that?", oh well then that's coming right out of God's mouth then!!!(evangelicals)
Muslims believe Mohamed
LDS believe Joseph Smith.
It's a matter of who you believe!
Personally I believe Jesus!(and His EYEwitnesses)
---1st_cliff on 2/17/10|
Who wrote the Bible? Typically a non-question not wanting real answers.
"The fool has said in his heart, there's no God..." Ps. 14:1, 53:1
"Arise , O God, plead your own cause. Remember how the foolish man slanders you daily. Remember the voice of your enemies, the noise of those that rise up against you increases continually." Ps. 74:22-23
"Fools because of their rebellion, & because of their mischief, are dealt with harshly. Their mind (soul) hates all manner of maintenance & they draw close to the gates of death." Ps. 107:17
"The reverence of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge...fools hate wisdom & instruction." Pv. 1:7
---Leon on 2/17/10|
Cluny happy to answer you, as always. But first a clarification.
You wrote "And where does the Bible say that God actually wrote it Himself?" Please define what you mean by "wrote."
---Warwick on 2/17/10|
God instructed certain godly men to write down his words in a book in order to pass his words on to the future generations and to the children that would come after. The Scripture was written in the Middle East in ancient Hebrew from the 36th century B.C. by Henoch in 3507 B.C. The N.T. began to be recorded by Matthew in 5 B.C., and finished by John around the 3rd decade A.D. The 1st English Bible based on the latin vulgate was transcribed by John Wycliff in 1380 A.D. And William Whittingham with his colleagues translated the 1st Bible from the Hebrew and Greek in 1560 A.D in Geneva, Switzerland.
---Eloy on 2/17/10|
Who wrote the Bible? I would have to say, God.
Now all you have to do is understand, how and why!
Think about it, whose words are these?
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
For sure! God, wrote the Bible.
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
He's bless all of you
---TheSeg on 2/17/10|
atheist: "I believe the earth is round."
You don't know what you believe, or why. You are an agnostic.
---jerry6593 on 2/17/10|
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Cluny, I was curious as to how many might answer as though they believed it was written by some process akin to automatic writing, or might have a more believeable answer, such as yourself.
Larry, I am not a 'pagan'. FYI some pagans worshipped YAHWEH, just in case, along with whatever other 'gods' suited their fancy.
Wayne, are the people that disagree with you the ones that 'satan' tells them what to say?
StevengG, I'll be looking for something that I can agree with you on---that should really confuse your logic. Because I am an atheist you of course must believe the opposite of everything I say I believe. I believe the earth is round.
---atheist on 2/16/10|
\\Friendly you make claims about the Bible which do not come from the Bible, and which disagree with what it says- e.g. "The Bible is man's words about God. God did not write the Bible." On what authority do you base your claims?\\
And where does the Bible say that God actually wrote it Himself?
On what authority do you claim this?
---Cluny on 2/16/10|
atheist, if you agree with Friendly_Blogger then we know for sure that Friendly_Blogger is entirely wrong about who wrote the bible.
The people who wrote the bible were godly people who were filled with the Holy Spirit of God.
No man would ever write a book that goes against our basic nature - evil. Imagine what the world be like today without the words of God - a world where only the strong survive. Do you truly believe that man can make up such laws to make the world a better place to live?
Besides, what other "book" in the history of mankind survived as long as the Words of God has? Especially when great men tried to destroy it.
---Steveng on 2/16/10|
Friendly you make claims about the Bible which do not come from the Bible, and which disagree with what it says- e.g. "The Bible is man's words about God. God did not write the Bible." On what authority do you base your claims?
---Warwick on 2/16/10|
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Who wrote the Bible?
Penned by man.........
Inspired by God
---Gabby on 2/16/10|
A number of people: Moses, Joshua, David, the Evangelists, and St. Paul, as well as others.
It was written over a period of some 2000 years.
And mature Christians with understanding do not believe that these writers channeled by Bible by a process akin to automatic writing. (Some here might thing so, howsoever inarticulately and unconsiously.)
Why did you ask this question, atheist?
---Cluny on 2/16/10|
Whosoever-has faith to believe-God Spoke.
Out of the mouth of His Word in Flesh
It is WRTTEN...
And He humbled thee and sufferd thee to hunger,and fed thee with manna,which thou knewest not,neither did thy fathers know,That He might make thee know that EVERY WORD that proceedth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
And it is WRITTEN,That man shall not live by bread alone,but by EVERY WORD of God.
Matt 7:7-Lk 11:9
Ask,and it shall be given you,seek,and ye shall find,knock,and it shall be opened unto you.
Behold,I stand at the door,and knock:if any man hear My voice,and open the door,I will come in to him,and will sup with him,and he with Me.
---char on 2/16/10|
Jesus [God] wrote the Bible. He spoked through His chosen prophets. Hello, atheist!
---catherine on 2/16/10|
---Friendly_Blogger on 2/16/10.
God inspired the writters of the Bible to say what He wanted them to say. The same way saten is telling you what to say.
---wayne on 2/16/10|
Exd 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Deu 17:18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of [that which is] before the priests the Levites
Deu 27:8 And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.
Jos 8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.
--I skipped a few and haven't even started on the kings and prophets yet.. It seems these people penned the Word of God in the presence of God and His people, even through copying.
---MIchael on 2/16/10|
Atheist, Moses wrote the first 5 books but he was not the author. God is the author through inspired hearts and hands, for all of scripture where every word is true.
As a pagan you predictably look for proof of the writer and ignore the author.
The question is at least consistent with atheistic ramblings of creature over creator, and the absurd position of a creature holding his own creator accountable.
Nothing is more blasphemous than not recogizing the creator for who he is.
You are dancing on the third rail my friend and pride will run you over.
---larry on 2/16/10|
God Almighty wrote the Bible. Yes, it was written by human hands, but they were just taking dictation for God like a secretary does for her boss. God spoke it, and man wrote what God spoke down. This is why it is important to go to the Holy Spirit to have Him show us what God said, and the interpretation for it - not rely on what we believe it says, what our pastors or Bible college professors say it says, but only what God says it says. If we don't go to the Holy Spirit on this, we will be decieved.
---Leslie on 2/16/10|
Seems Friendly Blogger has a pretty good answer, only a little of which I might disagree. His belief is his belief.
But Anon, who is the 'we' you refer too? I have not seen a common and coherent answer to any question on these blogs---obivously most of which have not been posed or answer by myself.
I would hope that most would have similar answers as Friendly Blogger. Too much certainty in the origin and meaning of the scriptures of the world's relgions have led to much suffering and bloodshed.
---atheist on 2/16/10|
The bible was written by about 40 men who engaged in writing it during a period of about 1600 years dating from 1500 B.C. to about 100 years after Christ. These men wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21) They wrote not in words of human wisdom but in words taught by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:13). 1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. Oddly enough, all of my born again brothers and sisters I've fellowshipped with believe the Word of God is inerrant and infallible.
---Bob on 2/16/10|
If God made the universe how is impossible for him to inspire Holy Men to write a Guide book for salvation?
If God did not write the bible then it took some pretty Spiritually divine men to be able to keep such a fantastic story going for such a long. Why it even changes lives It changed mine for the better That's a great book in my eyes.
If it's not true then pray tell the whole wide world what is the truth?
Ain't no explanation can match it or replace it, because it stands for, The Way,The Truth and The Life for one to know God.
---Carla on 2/16/10|