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The Law Nailed To Cross

Is the law of God nailed to the cross or not? One reads so many conflicting ideas. Should we be keeping the 10 commandments?

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Jesus followed his comment in Matthew 5:17 with Mathew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Since he used all three parts of the law (commandments, statutes and judgments) as examples in 5:20-48 we must conclude that he meant ALL 600+ commands of the Law which you do NOT keep. He did NOT limit 5:19 to the Ten Commandments.
---Gary on 2/24/10


Paul, no human being is able to keep the law. That is why no one can be save by the law. The reason we need Christ works on our behalf for our salvation. He was perfect human who completed the law perfect. Now you could question Him doing miracles on the Sabbath if you want but that is up to you.
Jesus does ask us to be holy. He cannot ask us anything less. We are to work at been holy, but we never reach that standard, the reason that all come short of the glory of God. You should know that already but you want to continue your legalistic views.
---MarkV. on 2/24/10


Samuel - Part 1/2.I see nothing in the passages from 2 Cor. 3:6 and Romans 7 that limits sin to the 10 Commandments.

Romans 7 simply tells us that the function of the law was to reveal sin and once sin was revealed, it brought death to us - the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (6:23). God has done what the law weakened by the flesh could not do in sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.<.b> (8:2-4)
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


Part 2/2 So Christians are to walk in the new life of the Spirit not in the old written code of the law of which we died.(7:6) And in doing so are under a different rule than that of law which Paul later tells us was only a guardian UNTIL we could be justified (declared righteous) by faith in Christ. (Gal. 3:24-25)

While violation of the law remains sin, we are not under that rule any longer but under the law of the Spirit. Gal. 3:25,Rom. 6:14

It is my conviction that the ministry of the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:7) is not one of the Old Covenant dispensation that deals much with externalism such as what we eat, observance of days (Sabbath(s)), new moon celebrations but with what is in the heart.

Does this make sense to you?
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


Hypocrisy!
The Law is perfect, you are not! Many of you think, you have to keep the law.
All I can say is keep it
The lord said:
Above all love God and to love each other is the law and the profits.
I put it to you. Can you say you love others the way you want to be love?
Maybe you can do this in your minds. But for real go outside and try it.
You will find you cant do this either! The world wont let you.
So if you cant do that, why are you worried about the rest?
So dont tell me I have to, when I know what I have to do!
Truly may God bless you!
TheSeg Out
---TheSeg on 2/24/10




//If He became all we ever need. Then why is it by breaking the least commmandment and teaching so, you would be called least in the kingdom?

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

And for believers His righteousness has been imputed to us. 1 Cor 1:30

I find nothing in Scripture that commands us to do anything more for our salvation than to believe in Him. John 3:16,18, Acts 16,31, Rom. 10:9, Ga. 3:22,1 John 3:23.

If you say we must observe law for our walk instead of following in the new life of the Spirit, that we are justified (declared righteous) by obedience to law, then you clearly do not need Jesus as you can save yourself.

Have you made Jesus your Savior?
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


What did Calvin believe about the Jewish Sabbath?

[It is true that we are not limited to the seventh day, nor do we, in fact, keep the same day that was appointed for the Jews, since that was Saturday. But, to show the liberty of Christians, the day was changed because the resurrection of Jesus Christ set us free from the bondage to the Law and canceled the obligation to it. That is why the day was changed. Yet, we must observe the same regulation of having a specified day of the week. Whether it be one day or two is left to the free choice of Christians].

If I rest on the Lord's Day instead of on the Jewish Sabbath, the intent of the Sabbath is satisfied.
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


Thanks everyone for your answers...some were really helpful.The last point raised was a good one: do we keep 9 or all 10 of them. Were you refering to the Sabbath versus Sunday? Great point. Sandy
---sandy on 2/24/10


Mark_Eaton:
U said:
We cannot keep the Law.///

Well then, with your reasoning. Christ required of His listening audience what they cannot keep?

Would you demand of your children what they cannot do? No, Well neither does Christ.


U also said:
Jesus kept the Law, and having filled up the Law with Himself, He became all that we ever need. ///

If He became all that we ever need.

Then why is it that by breaking the least commmandment and teaching so, you would be called least in the kingdom?

Why throw the least commandment at His audidence to keep, when they cannot?

Are many missing true faith connected to the power of the Cross and the Holy Spirit?
---Paul9594 on 2/24/10


francis//If we are to avoid sin, then we must keep the ten commandments.

And that is the position held by legalists - those that believe they can be declared righteous by observing OT law.

Gal. 3:11 Now it is evident no one is justified (declared righteious) before God by the law, for 'The righteous shall live by faith.'

And the legalists does not believe that the righteousness in Jesus has been credited to the account of believers in Him.

1 Cor. 1:30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made OUR wisdom and OUR righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

Sanctification is basely the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit and all we need do is not grieve or quench that Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10




I like mark eatons last post.

while the 10 commandments cannot save you ( mainly becaiuse by the time we discover the ten commandments we have already broken one or more) All have sinned, and the ten commandments tell us what sin is.

Neither can the sanctuary law save us, because the blood of goats and bulls which we apply when we broke the ten commandments cannot save, only Jesus blood can save.

So what do those who accept christ do?
Do they continue to sin, or do they avaoid sin and evil?

If we are to avoid sin, then we must keep the ten commandments. all ten or nine out of ten?
---francis on 2/24/10


You agree that nine of these are still sin. Why are they still sin?
---Samuel on 2/24/10

Let me take a shot at this.

There are two aspects when discussing the Law. One is salvation, and the other is conduct in respect to sanctification, or holiness.

The first, salvation. It has been proven over and over in the NT that the Law cannot save you and cannot give you righteousness before God. Only accepting the sacrifice of Jesus can do that. This is the essence of the new covenant.

The second, conduct. Keeping the commandments, the words of God, the commandments of Jesus is necessary for your sanctification. They are God's precepts for your life, your conforming to the image of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/24/10


francis //Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD

A clearer translation of those Isaiah verses is given by the NLT =

[As surely as my new heavens and earth will remain, so will you always be my people, with a name that will never disappear says the Lord. All humanity will come to worhship me from week to week and from month to month].

As that whole section of Isaiah speaks of the restoration of the Levitical priesthood whose ordinance pointed forward to Christ, it cannot be used to beleive the Sabbath will be observed in the ages of come.
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


Lee let me point out some Bible passages and you answer them.

2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Yes indeed the letter of the Commandments bring death.

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.

So they were to bring life but instead death. Why because we are sinners. So the Spirit now leads to obey in love as Moses and JESUS spoke of. Does the Spirit contridict the letter? YOu agree that nine of these are still sin. Why are they still sin?
---Samuel on 2/24/10


2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which [glory] was to be done away:

2 Corinthians 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

LEE read this again, ask yourself, did the ten commandments shine with glory or was it moses' face?

What is the MINISTRY of the ten commandments?
where in the TEN commandments does it call for any sort of death?
---francis on 2/24/10


Samuel:

And you think that both John Calvin and Martin Luther had the same view on the Sabbath as the SDA and other Protestant sects? Boy.....you haven't read there writings. Google "John Clavin and the Sabbath" and actually read his writings on the Sabbath and you see that he was not a SDA in his understanding of the Sabbath.

Ignatius

Never said they were. I falsely assumed that those who knew who they were would understand that I was speaking of the Ten Commandments as a whole not a specific one.
My point was that all did not believe the Ten Commandments were done away with which was the point of this discussion.
---Samuel on 2/24/10


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//What was fulfilled was the SANCTUARY LAW not 10 commandments:

Scripture also has declared that the ministry of death & condemnation craved on stone (and the only thing craved on stone was the 10 commandments)was replaced by the ministry of the Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:7f

And Hebrews speaks of the Old Covenant as becoming obsolete - disappearing.

8:13 (Youngs Literal Translation) "in the saying 'new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old is nigh disappearing."

The 'first old' meaning the Old Covenant as that is the subject of that chapter.
---Lee1538 on 2/24/10


".....This commandment, therefore, according to its gross sense, does not concern us Christians, for it is altogether an external matter, like other ordinances of the Old Testament, which were attached to particular customs, persons, times, and places, and now have been made free through Christ...." (Martin Luther, The Fourth Commandment, The Large Catechism)

In IC.XC.,

WRONG

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
---francis on 2/24/10


The law cannot save us. It's purpose is to guide into truth and tell us what sin is.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
---Samuel on 2/24/10


What was fulfilled was the SANCTUARY LAW not 10 commandments:

SEE HEBREWS:

Passover lamb = Jesus
Veil = Jesus
Blood of animal = blood of christ
shewbread = Jesus
Light/ lamp = Jesus
Oil = Spirit of God/ jesus
High priest = Jesus
Earthly sanctuary = heaven sanctuary
Circumcision = circumcisionof heart

If you follow this you will see clearly that all that was shown inthe TYPE was fulfilled in antitype in christ.

The earthly sanctuary pointed to christ,
We can say that the TYPE of high priest was fulfilled in or by christ but we cannot say that Thou shall not kill= jesus.

The sanctuary law showed how christ would cleanse sin.
---francis on 2/24/10


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Samuel:

And you think that both John Calvin and Martin Luther had the same view on the Sabbath as the SDA and other Protestant sects? Boy.....you haven't read there writings. Google "John Clavin and the Sabbath" and actually read his writings on the Sabbath and you see that he was not a SDA in his understanding of the Sabbath.

".....This commandment, therefore, according to its gross sense, does not concern us Christians, for it is altogether an external matter, like other ordinances of the Old Testament, which were attached to particular customs, persons, times, and places, and now have been made free through Christ...." (Martin Luther, The Fourth Commandment, The Large Catechism)

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/24/10


The idea that we are doomed to a life of sin ( breaking the ten commandments) just because we are human is not biblical.

No one has to live a life of adultery, or theft, or as a murderer.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

Job 1:22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
---FRANCIS on 2/24/10


Paul:

Yes, you hit it right on the head when you said "So Christ came to fulfill the Law, so His people don't have to?"

We cannot keep the Law.

Jesus kept the Law, and having filled up the Law with Himself, He became all that we ever need.

Jesus did not do away with the Law, but became the Law itself, being the mediator of the new covenant.

So, only by being "in Christ" can you participate in the new covenant, initiated by Jesus blood. Only by being "in Christ" can you be made perfect, the righteousness of God. Only by being "in Christ" can you truly keep the Law, not of yourself but by Jesus.

See the pattern?
---Mark_Eaton on 2/23/10


Gary, God bless you!
What was said by my lord is clear!

Till all be fulfilled! Did you know the lord was a prophet?
He said some things too. These have not come to pass.

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
---TheSeg on 2/23/10


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The Law of God was not nailed to the cross. The Ordnance's were, or the sacrifice laws written by moses.The 10 commandments are in effect for ever. Some one quoted this verse with "and" instead of "in".
Ephesians 2:15
the law of the commands in ordinances having done away(YLT)
the law of commandments contained in ordinances(NKJV)
law of commandments contained in ordinances(KJV)
commandments expressed in ordinances (ESV)
We are not required to sacrificed anymore, Yeshua did it for us. Peace
---Ed on 2/23/10


//For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

What they are trying to say using that verse is that the Old Covanant laws are still applicable to the Christian.One walks not by the Spirit as the Bible says but in accordance to the old Jewish religion.

Grace to them is not unmerited favor- what the church has been teaching for hundreds of years but simply the capability to observe the law and efficiently provide for your own salvation by works of the law.

They do not need Jesus as their Savior as they can be their own.
---Lee1538 on 2/23/10


TheSeg said, "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

I'll say it again, Read it. TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.

Are you calling Jesus a liar? If not, then ALL WAS FULFILLED. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. IF Jesus did what He said he came to do, then He fulfilled the law, therefore, "till all be fulfilled" has happened.

THE LAW ENDED just as Jesus, Himself, said it would once He fulfilled it.
---Gary on 2/23/10


You cant do away with the law that is foolishness. For one thing you didnt make it, God did.

For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Besides if there no law, how can you be guilty before God. It is forgiveness, you are receiving! One day there will be no need for the law.

And this word, yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

But as of today you must still be guilty before God. How can this be done without the law?
God Bless
---TheSeg on 2/23/10


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Sandy, Jesus did not come to do away with the law but to fulfill it.(Matt. 5:17-18, Luke 16:17) When asked which of the commandments were most important he said to Love the Lord your God with all your heart and the second is to love others as yourself(Matt. 22:37-39). Not to love others as much as you love God, but God must be first and foremost in your heart, mind and soul. When you love like that you want to obey everything that we are commanded to do in the entire Bible. It becomes a compulsion to obey God because you love him so much.
---Fay on 2/23/10


When it comes to the ten commandments, we must keep all, if we breakone we are guilty of breaking the law, the whole law
---francis on 2/23/10

No person except Jesus CAN keep the commandments.

The truth that James 2 teaches us is that if you break one commandment, you are guilty of breaking them all. Not that you must KEEP them all.

So unless you are Jesus, you better not be trusting in your ability to keep the commandments on judgment day.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/23/10


Mark_Eaton:
posted:
Col 2:16-17 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day...

Does this abolish the 10 commandments?

No, I thnk not. But, it does abolish the other 600 or so Jewish commandments. ///

So Christ came to fulfill the Law, so His people don't have to?

Then why does Crhist throw the least commandment at the people saying:

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---Paul9594 on 2/23/10


The 10 Commandments are in full force today for all who have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ. The Commandments are still judging and condemning those who refuse to accept the work of Christ.

Those who have received the work of Christ no longer have to live under, fear, and be condemned by their failure to be able to keep the commandments the reason being Christ has fulfilled the law(the 10 Commandments) for all believers.

The believers were never condemned and this is explained clearly in Romans 4:8,

" Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."

If you are saved you are that man!
---mima on 2/23/10


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Samuel says. "Some to avoid the Sabbath topic do away with all of the Ten Commandments instead of just disagreeing with one."

James says, " James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

When it comes to the ten commandments, we must keep all, if we breakone we are guilty of breaking the law, the whole law
---francis on 2/23/10



Wasn't this about the 10 commandments?

Paul didn't say The Law was done away with he said we are not under the Law, for the ministry of the Law is death not Life

2 Cor.3:7 But if the ministration of DEATH, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which glory was to be done away:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?
---michael_e on 2/23/10


The idea of the law being done away with was fought by John Wesley and the whole Methodist church for ages. Even Calvin did not say the Ten Commandements were done away with. Martin Luther had the Ten Commandments in His Cathachism.

Some to avoid the Sabbath topic do away with all of the Ten Commandments instead of just disagreeing with one.

How could Paul say the law was done away with when He said it is established.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
---Samuel on 2/23/10


To---Lindam on 2/23/10 many times I read answers that are better said, clearer, more concise, and more representative of my thoughts than anything I have written. And I say that your post today clearly does that.
---mima on 2/23/10


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---Leslie on 2/23/10
"1st "Christians" that say they love Jesus and are God's Children, but do NOT follow the 10 Commandments are LIARS."

This is so true, that i had to print it again with supporting text of sscripture:

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
---francis on 2/23/10


Acceptance by God has ALWAYS been by faith, alone, not through works of the Law. Gal. 3:6-7. Abraham shows us that. The scripture clearly shows that if we are accepted by God and saved through the law, (and Kept saved), then Christ died needlessly. If you have a shallow view of Grace, you will naturally think that your ongoing acceptance by God is held on by your behavior and works. Good works are a result of being totally, and unconditionally and permanently accepted by God. Trivializing Christ's death on the Cross, is no longer good news, but bondage. Faith + works = WORKS!
Gee, I wonder why Jesus kept his harshist words for the religious leaders of the day?! Luke 11:46 "You weigh men down with burdens hard to bare..."
---Lindam on 2/23/10


1st "Christians" that say they love Jesus and are God's Children, but do NOT follow the 10 Commandments are LIARS. They are NOT Christians, do NOT belong to God - only to the devil, and do NOT love Jesus. This is clear in N.T. scripture. 2nd these "Christians" do NOT follow the 10 Commandments because they want God to line up with them, and their will to be done - NOT them to line up with God, or His will be done. In other words they have not made Jesus Lord (boss), and are lukewarm (still on Satan's side). Jesus even said why do you call Me Lord, and do not do what I command. This is why, they are NOT Christians and do NOT belong to God, but the devil.
---Leslie on 2/23/10


-- Tom2 :

Brother, Saved in our Lord, we abide in His Love where all the law is fulfilled & hangs : and is why when Faith comes, we're no longer under the law, but it's now hanging underneath us on "Love". God's Commandments of thou shall honor mother & father, and make no graven images & bow down to them nor have gods before our Lord : thou shall not kill, covet, steal, bear false witness, commit adultery nor take the Lord's Name in vain, are all fulfilled by the Love of God & neighbor in Christ !! Matt.22:37-40, 1 John 3:14, 4:20

... But Read the Word in Col.2:16-17, and let no man judge you in respect of a Holy Day or Sabbath which are a shadow of things to come : b/c they were made for man, not man for them.
---Shawn.M.T on 2/23/10


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Nana, he may incure the wrath of the genuine Christians who are in Christ, not from haters, but from those who are not under the law. Read Shawn T, post and you will learn something today. You want to earn your way in with your works but no amount of works will get you in. Faith in Jesus Christ and His works will get you in. But it has to be genuine saving faith that comes from God.
---MarkV. on 2/23/10


there is no commandment among the Ten Commandments that say "Thou shall die."

But christ died fulfilling the Law.
So then this death is not a fulfilment of the ten commandment law but some other law.

Only in the sanctuary laws do we find a commandment that calls for death. When someone sins, death must occur. Jesus took that death for us. In other words, jesus fulfilled the Law of SIn and death.

jesus did not do away with the ten commandments,. He did away with the sanctuary laws that called for our death. ( which was substituted by an animal)
---francis on 2/23/10


Well said tom2, but you may incur the wrath of the haters, the haters:

Isaiah 59:14_15: "And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth, and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment."
---Nana on 2/22/10


We say you must keep the law and it sounds so nice, right!
All the while fully knowing, you yourself can't keep the law.
Is this not hypocrisy?
Or is there someone here, who is without sin?
I do love you. But get it straight.
All have sinned!

Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?
Thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery?
Thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

On to other
Forgive me
---TheSeg on 2/23/10


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oh contrare,the ten commandments apply to every single human being.jesus offers salvation,but you cant steal,or murder,after being saved,and you must love God,and not covet,honoe your mother and father.were in the world are peoples minds?
---tom2 on 2/22/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, We were kept under the law only that the Promise by Faith of Christ might be given. If there was a law which could have given Life, it would've been given by the law. Gal.3:21-25

When Faith comes we're no longer under the law. It is now kept by us through Christ fulfilling the law of God on the Cross, where all the Commandments of thou shall not kill, covet, steal ... etc. hangs on/under the Commandments of "Love" : where we abide. Matt.22:37-40, 1 John 3:14, 4:20

... But let no man judge you in meat, drink, or in respect of a Holy Day or Sabbath Days which are a shadow of things to come : b/c they were made for man, not man for them. Mark 2:27-28, Col.2:16-17
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/22/10


1/2
KJV--Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
NLT--Jam 2:10 And the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as the person who has broken all of God's laws.
francis---James says: if we break one of the ten commandments we are thus gilty of the whole law
So all of the laws=10 commandments and the 2 royal laws* mean nothing.
*James 2:8
or is James pointing out Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

---MIchael on 2/22/10


2/2
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
--No mention of the 10 commandments here,but overflowing with the royal law and the golden rule.
---MIchael on 2/22/10


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That's just it, Sandy. You can't keep them. That's why they're so perfect!
They're the proof, we are sinners!

That's why he said: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Can't be done! In the law or by the law, we sin!

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,

Which is to, love others the way you want them to love you! By forgiving each other!

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned!
---TheSeg on 2/22/10


Jody - you are so right.

The purpose of the law was to bring us to Christ. Once we are born again and truly receive The Spirit, the law is useless. Those of us who live by The Spirit will do the right thing. Those who try to follow laws will always fail. That is why the law ended - it didn't work.

Look at the world today - jails and prisons overflowing with criminals. LAWS DON'T WORK.

Now, I will say this. Those who have NOT truly received The Spirit need laws. Those of us who have The Spirit live at a much higher standard than those who follow laws.
---Gary on 2/22/10


Frances, Your absolutely wrong. The law was given to Israel. Galatians 4 says. "Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fulness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as son." Israel was under the law but through Christ were all adopted. As sons, we receive the Spirit of Christ in our hearts. The Galatians legalist wanted to go back to the rituals laws. The rituals, ceremonies and festivals of the Jewish religious calendar which God had given them, were never required for the Church. Paul warned the Galatians and the Colossians in (Rom. 14L1-6, Colo. 2:16,17).
---MarkV. on 2/22/10


"The 10 Commandments, as such, ended at the cross. That does not mean we can now kill and steal. We are under the commandments of the New Testament."

ABSOLUTELY WRONG
The reason why we do not steal or kill is because we are OBEDIENT to the ten commandments.

SIN is the trangression of the law( ten commandments)

No one would know what sin was if the law did not say.. thou shall not covet

ALL ten commandments are mentioned as being obeyed in the bible and NT

remember what jesus sais" think NOT that i am come to destroy the law...
What paul wrote shall we continue to sin..( trangress the law)

James says: if we break one of the ten commandments we are thus gilty of the whole law
---francis on 2/22/10


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Mima - You misquote scripture. Read what comes before it in Col. 2:13 and you will see the written code (ordinances) there refer to SIN, NOT the law. Like I mentioned before, both Jesus and Father God say in the N.T. that if you love Me and belong to Me, you will OBEY My Commands (the law) - God does NOT contradict Himself, by saying that the law is done away with, but you still must obey it - that does NOT make since. Chances are the Word of God and the law contradict you (what you think, feel, and believe) Mima and that's why you have a problem with this. God is NOT to be in agreement with us, we are to be in agreement with Him.
---Leslie on 2/22/10


Consider this:

The Old Covenant was a covenant, or contract, or agreement between God and His chosen people. The gentiles were NOT a part of that covenant.

The New Covenant is a covenant, or contract, or agreement between God and everyone.

The gentiles NEVER WERE under the old law, including the ten commandments. That doesn't mean we can't learn something from the Old Testament. It means we were NEVER under it to begin with.

The Law of The Spirit is a MUCH HIGHER law, or standard, than the ten commandments.
---Gary on 2/22/10


Gary and Mima: I like your posts. Wanted to add that the Law was necessary for the ancients(before Christ) as what the Bible tells us that it was the "tutor" or teacher to Jews so they would know what "sin" is. The knowledge of sin came from the Law but now under the New Covenant our "tutor" or teacher is the Holy Spirit according to the Bible. If we walk by the Spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. The Spirit writes the Law upon our hearts and so no longer need the Old Covenant Laws.
---jody on 2/22/10


francis - ONLY that carried over into the New Testament is binding today. It so happens that nine of the 10 commandments are mentioned in the New Testament. But the Sabbath commandment is NOT.

The 10 Commandments, as such, ended at the cross. That does not mean we can now kill and steal. We are under the commandments of the New Testament.

Look at it this way. IF you move from the United States to another country, you will no longer be under the laws of the US. Does that mean you can kill and steal? NO. It means you are now under the laws of the country you moved to.

WE, as Christians, are NO LONGER under ANY of the Old Covenant.
---Gary on 2/22/10


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The Holy Bible, New International Version - Galatians 3:10-14: 10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, The righteous will live by faith. 12 The law is not based on faith, on the contrary, The man who does these things will live by them. 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
---Gary on 2/22/10


Consider this,
We know that Jesus fulfilled (kept) the law.
We also know that we in and of ourselves cannot be righteous, except we accept the Lord Jesus Christ and are thereby granted his righteousness to our accounts.
We know that part of Jesus' righteousness was his keeping the law.
As believers we now have his righteousness before the father.
Can you now understand that a Christian is free of the condemning law (the 10 Commandments).
Jesus not only fulfill the law he did away with the law(nailing it to his cross) for the benefit of all of his believers!!
---mima on 2/22/10


the Law of God, the ten commandments were never nailed to the cross. The strong evidence for this is found in the NT, and isaiah.

throughout the NT the apostles continue to mention keeping the ocmmandments, and naming the commandments in details

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

the Law of Moses, ( the sanctuary law) was nailed to the cross, as shown in the book of Hebrews
---francis on 2/22/10


Matthew 5:17-18: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus said He came to FULFIL the law. Then He says until all is fulfilled, no part of the law will pass, even if that isn't until the heaven and earth pass.

Did Jesus do what he said He was sent to do - fulfil the law? If so, then the law has passed.
---Gary on 2/22/10


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Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant new, he has made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Galatians 3:19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

Notice UNTIL Jesus had come.

There is NOTHING in the Bible that separates the laws into categories. Either ALL laws ended, or NO laws ended.
---Gary on 2/22/10


#2 to continue from my last statement. The Law does NOT save you, ONLY Jesus can do that. However, following the law is a sign that you are truly saved - because you have surrended your will to God, and are now doing His will. I wanted to add this for the comments I know I will get about the law and being a true Christian.
---Leslie on 2/22/10


Leslie,s statement,"There is NO where in the N.T. that says that the law was nailed to the cross." Must be examined next to Colossians 2:14,"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." Now after examination we can start with two facts, Colossians is in New Testament and ordinances represents law!! You be the judge.
---mima on 2/22/10


GREAT POST LESLIE!

This concept comes from the Beourgoise Psuedo Carnal "Christians". Who's mantras is: "We're save by grace, now lets eat Potluck"!

Generally you will not see any of them in Biblical studies (they have no interest in God) just Life Insurance . But you will see them lined up in droves to have the Fatted Calf of Potlucks where (in their Carnal minds) "fellowship" means secular conversations like... mmmm! Emma sure is good Potatoe Salad. "Hey Bob hows your Golf going?".

NO LOVE, FEAR, OR RESPECT OF GOD!

In the Sermon of the Mount we are to live the law above any criteria the Jews had.

FOR CHRISTIANS, KEEPING THE LAW IS A WAY OF LIFE, NOT THE WAY TO LIFE.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/22/10


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There is NO where in the N.T. that says that the law was nailed to the cross. People that teach this are teaching LIES, and are NOT in line with the Bible. Jesus said "I came to FULFILL the law, NOT abolish (do away with) it". The Bible also says that God is the same yesterday, today, and FOREVER, and He does NOT change. It also says that if you love Jesus you WILL obey His commands, and if you belong to God you WILL obey His commands. According to these scriptures, we are still to follow the 10 Commandments today. If you do not, you are NOT a Christian, and do NOT belong to God, but to the Devil.
---Leslie on 2/22/10


Jody's answer is very very good. If you read carefully you can see that the Christian no longer has a "punishing" law hanging over his head. Under the law God's mercy's were hamstrung. Those who choose to stay under the law cannot enjoy the new covenant because they make the work of the Lord Jesus Christ of no effect. The Bible says you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, those laboring under the law are never free!!
---mima on 2/22/10


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,
So Christ only blotted out our sins that didn't pertain to the ten commandments?
---MIchael on 2/22/10


The passage you are referring to is

Col 2:14 "having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us, and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross."

which is explained as it applies to us in verses 16 & 17

Col 2:16-17 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."

Does this abolish the 10 commandments?

No, I thnk not. But, it does abolish the other 600 or so Jewish commandments.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/22/10


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He is the Ten Commandments, If You are a true Christian and are truly saved, then you follow the Ten Commandments, He died on the Cross so you did not have to suffer the punishment for what your flesh does, anyone who thinks they are not going to be punished is mislead. He died to cover your sin not so you could act like a fool and not follow Gods rules. The door will be closed, or you will suffer great trials while here on earth.
WAKE UP!
---Kent_E_Omer on 2/22/10


2 Cor.3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which glory was to be done away:
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,
---michael_e on 2/22/10


I have been trying to work out what "law of God nailed to the cross" can possibly mean!
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/10


It is difficult to nail through stone. The only law that was done away with at the cross was the sacrificial law of the levitical priesthood. It was handwriting (by Moses) on parchment (the handwriting of ordinances) that was kept on the side of the Ark of the Covenant rather than inside it like the Ten Commandment stone tablets. The animal sacrifices of the levitical priesthood were merely a prophecy of the true sacrifice for sin - the Lamb of God. When Christ died on the cross, these laws were no longer necessary, and thus were "nailed to the cross." Any other explanation makes no sense at all. Ask yourself, is idol worship, murder, adultery, theft, etc still wrong?
---jerry6593 on 2/22/10


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You are confused. Jesus was the one who was nailed to the cross for YOU!
---karenD on 2/21/10


Under the New Covenant created by Jesus Christ's work, the commandments of God are written upon the believers heart.If you keep the commandments that Jesus gave us (love God and love your neighbor as yourself),you will fulfill the Old Test commandments.Our focus need not be upon keeping the law but rather the"putting on of Christ"and growing in the"fruits of the Spirit".No man other than Jesus Christ has been able to keep the law of Moses perfectly and never will.That is why the priests of old offered up animal sacrifices for the sins of the people and their own sins.Jesus nailed the punishment for those sins to the cross.I would say to just seek God with all of your strength and you will come to terms with legalism issues.
---jody on 2/21/10


sandy,God sent his son to redeem the world because he knows we are unable to keep the law,jesus said not one word of the law would be set aside by him,but that he came in fullfillment of it.Meaning that now we live through him,we are made righteous by his blood,by his sacrifice,and only through him can we receive salvation.if you steal are you sinning?if you covet your neighbors possessions,are you sinning?all the commandments must be kept,why?its gods laws for how we are to live.but are hope,our redemer is jesus.
---tom2 on 2/20/10


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