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Why are denominations so intent on highlighting the differences between themselves and others rather than the similarities?

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Brethren, Every denomination may be Healed & come into 'One Accord' in the Lord, as they confess their faults/differences one to another, and pray one for another : b/c the fervent prayers of the Righteous availeth much.

So, I pray, your Love abound yet more & more in the Lord's Knowledgeable Word and in Righteous Judgment, even though some indeed preach Christ of envy & strife but notwithstanding every way, whether in pretense or in Truth Christ is preached, I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice knowing that all things work together for Good to them that Love God, who are the called according to His Purpose !!


--- Miche :

Sister, Nicely shared on 3/2/10. Amen
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/2/10


Because the church has become a marketplace: brigands in the guise of pastors pandering wares for wicked mammon. Now people actually use the church to endorse their own self-righteousness, and because of that there are the niches. Ask not what you can do for your church, but what your church can do for you. It's only a matter of what you prefer to accept as permissible to suit your own personal agenda, and what better way than to convince yourself you are backed by God, only to plead ignorance on the Day you meet Him. What folly! We are without excuse. Do you seek Him diligently or do you wait for Him to be brought to you on your terms? Be careful what you buy into, or you too may wish to destroy Him.
---John_II on 3/2/10


Paul Im not telling you to follow apostate teaching.
Im telling you that you should NOT accuse any of us of condoning WRONG behavior.
We ALL believe in following the 2 greatest commands Jesus gave and we believe by following those, we automatically fulfill the other lesser commands.

as far as the sabbath is concerned,
"One man esteems one day over another" don't say they are wrong for it. If its done with the love of God in their heart, then its a day unto the Lord, not man and its done for God's glory NOT man.
anything done without the love of God and faith in God IS sin.
If it helps your walk to be reminded of each and every law, then do it. remember if you measure yourself by the law, you will be judged by it.
---miche3754 on 3/2/10


Paul9594 -- Your point about romantic love escapes me.

No need to "unhang" anything. There is nothing in these verses that is not stated.

Mat 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him,
This is the first and great commandment. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If Jesus had not meant to reduce the "law and prohets" to two great commandments, why did He say this?
All 10 commandments (except keeping the Sabbath, of which He made no mention.) are covered.
---Donna66 on 3/1/10


Great post, Michael.
---Rod4Him on 3/1/10




\\ Pastor Jim, are you referring to THE REMNANT when you say god has in every generation left a few faithful?
---francis on 3/1/10

Yes, I believe that is the case.
---PASTOR_JIM on 3/1/10\\

The Bible makes it clear that "remnant" refers ONLY to faithful Jews.
---Cluny on 3/1/10


Miche3754:

Christ said :

Love your God with all mind, heart.

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments >>> HANG <<< ALL the law and the prophets.

If Christ says:
ALL the true romantic expressions HANG on THE 2 laws of love.

Do you UNHANG and throw in the trash, ALL the romantic expression linked WITH true love? No, Good.

In the same way DO NOT UNHANG and throw in the Trash the Law and The Prophets, These are the romantic expressions of the 2 LAWS of love!!

Should we follow apostate's teachings which UNHANG the Law and the Prophets, from love?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


miche3754, Rod4Him, Mark Eaton, mima, others
Truth in love will prevail. All we can do is plant and water, it is God that gives the increase. Patience, perserverance and prayer will show others Christ in us. Although, we may not agree in some areas, I believe you all have the Spirit at work in your lives. Your posts encourage me in Christ and other people's posts here encourage me to be Berean. Thank you.
---MIchael on 3/1/10


Paul what I said totally went right over your head.
Jesus said to obey the 2 LAWS he gave and if we do that, the others are automatically fulfilled.
You totally ignored the scripture that says we are to Love God, and our neighbor and when we do this, we ARE obeying God.
Jeez!!! you dissect the word when you shouldn't and don't dissect the word where you should.
The thing about obedience is we can't love God like we should or love our neighbor like we should if we don't have Jesus in us showing us HIS way to do it.
---miche3754 on 3/1/10


The law(the 10 Commandments) is like a mirror. As we look into this mirror we see our many failures and shortcomings and our inability to keep the law. And so if we make any of the Commandments(the law) a requirement for salvation we have just created WORKS. And we all know that works will not gain us salvation!!!
---mima on 3/1/10




Miche3754 Posted:

Just do what (Christ)he says.///

Does this include what Christ said with His own lips?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do we have full understanding of the Goals for us, with faith true in Him, as He said?

Or should we have a powerless faith of the apostasy?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


You thought right, miche, that's what Jesus said. However, there must be some religious propensity in some people to make a life in Christ difficult, endeavoring to put them under laws.
---Rod4Him on 3/1/10


Miche3754 Posted:

Just do what(Christ)he says.///

Does this include what Christ said with His own lips?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do we have full understanding of the Goals for us, with faith true in Him, as He taught?

Or should we have partial faith which teaches we are forgiven from our sins?
But can't keep His comammdents, it's just about grace only, as taught by the apostasy?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Why all this talk about the Law?
I thought Jesus said in Matt.22:34-40
" But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together.
One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him,
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
"This is the great and foremost commandment.
"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
Just do what he says.
---miche3754 on 3/1/10


Mark_Eaton:

It is amazing to me that some of those who have the truth don't want to reason with the truth and spread it!

I'm not about arguing, I'm about:

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded Jews and Greeks.

Act 17:2 Paul, as his custom was, went in unto them, and for three sabbath days reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Those who have the Truth, present it and not walk away.

You did not answer my questions you avoid them.

Should Christians be after the likenes of Christ of the Gospels or not?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


I agree with Mark Eaton. Hebrews is a great book that explains that Christ is our High Priest. We are now in a New Covnant, a new creation. Galations is also very helpful in this topic.

To get caught up in legalism, one has to explain away Galalians and Hebrews, among other books.
---Rod4Him on 3/1/10


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Pastor Jim, are you referring to THE REMNANT when you say god has in every generation left a few faithful?
---francis on 3/1/10

Yes, I believe that is the case.
---PASTOR_JIM on 3/1/10


Paul9594:

I have given you answers and advice, what you want are ARGUMENTS. I am not going to argue with you again.

I have told you before but perhaps you missed it, that you need to read and study the book of Hebrews.

God wrote a whole book (Hebrews) to mainly the Jews because of their (and yours) stubborn belief that Jesus was not enough, that grace and mercy was not enough, and that obedience to the Law was also required.

You seem to worship the Law of Moses. That's what Jesus called it in Luke and John. I suggest that you worship God and Jesus and rest in their finished work of the cross.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/1/10


Pastor Jim, are you referring to THE REMNANT when you say god has in every generation left a few faithful?
---francis on 3/1/10


Something tells me that even in the very pure first generation church, there was a spectrum of members ranging from the devout and fervent to the nominal.

Christ Himself had to deal with such during the days of His earthly sojourn. He even told parables about it.

In other words, they didn't all glow in the dark, either.

And remember, one of Pastor_Jim's earliest posts was to complain about the ignorance of pastors, so consider the source.
---Cluny on 2/28/10


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PASTOR_JIM:

I would be curious to know what your spiritual background is, if you have been unable to find ANY Christian churches out of several thousand. Maybe it's just in the United States? I do agree that affluent societies do tend to more likely to breed a lot of superficial "social club" type churches, but in every generation God has always left SOME who are true to him (and if you consider yourself true to him, you prove my point.)

Perhaps your selection criteria are narrower than Jesus's, who said of his church that the gates of hell would not prevail gainst it (Matthew 16:18).
---StrongAxe on 2/28/10


Am I the only one who wonders if "PASTOR JIM" is really a pastor, shepherding a flock, or simply a loner trolling with us? The Claims this "pastor" (who has no Apostolic Succession) has passed into this site are outrageous, and what is even worst, the Mods are keeping allowing this behavior.

Jim wants us to believe that he has travel around the world, visiting thousands upon thousands of churches, and concluded that none of them were Christians (one must wonder how is this even possible for one to do). Does he really think we are that stupid?

"Pastor"? "Pastor" of what I wonder......

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/27/10


Mark_Eaton: Do U have answers?
U said:
We cannot keep the Law.///

With your reasoning. Christ required of His listening audience what they cannot keep?

Would you demand of your children what they cannot do? No, neither does Christ.

U also said:
Jesus kept the Law, and having filled up the Law with Himself, He became all that we ever need. ///

If He became all that we ever need.

Then why is it that by breaking the least commandment and teaching so, you would be called least in the kingdom? Do not many hear Matthew 7:21-23

Why throw the least commandment at His audience to keep, when they cannot?

Are many missing true faith connected to the power of the Cross and the Holy Spirit?
---Paul9594 on 2/27/10


pastor Jim --
You say:

"not seen a single one that was Christian". Are we to believe that out of 1000's of churches, you missed all that are like ours! Nobody wants to "kill" you, but you meant to offend, not help. And offend you did, because you do not even know what churches we all attend. Would you be offended if someone who knew nothing about you maintained YOU are not Christian?

Since almost all of your posts seem designed to insult, I'm beginning to agree with whomever said you are a troll. I will ignore your posts from now on...(though my first instinct may be to challenge your many untruths)
---Donna66 on 2/27/10


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Is what "Pastor Jim" saying similar to what Prophet Elijah said in I Kings 19:14? If it so, God's answer to Elijah in I Kings 19:18 should be similarly sufficient for "Pastor Jim".
---Adetunji on 2/27/10


Deuteronomy 18:21-22 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Have you really visited 2000+ churches to an extent to know each one enough to make a rash accusation such as that PASTOR JIM?
2000 churches over 60 years is 1+ church every 11 days, over 20 years is 1+ church every 4 days.
---MIchael on 2/27/10


Jim, I have had my own haters for a while and I could not expect any less seeing how so many really are not saved at all. But you are wrong that every Church is bad. I agreed with you that many are but not all of them. When I moved I had to find a new church and I went to about twenty of them with my wife, some we only stayed a few minutes and some the whole way and never went back. I did find a great teaching church. The teaching is awesome, right from Scripture. I know there is still tares in everyone of them, but the teaching is what is important. I always take notes and compare to Scripture. I cannot speak for others because I have not been to them but you condemned all of them which I see very wrong. We are commanded to meet together.
---MarkV. on 2/27/10


Pastor J ... I'm not offended at all. and you've not mentioned my church.

And you've not spoken the truth about the church I attend. How could you? You've never been there.

We want to kill you? What gives you that impression? I find your posts quite amusing, (in fact I miss my laugh of the day when you don't appear) and indeed they give us quite a lot of enlightenment.

Incidentally, how did you manage to visit and asees all those 1000s of churches?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/27/10


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Amazing how ALL of you are offended when I never mention YOUR particular church.

Obviously, I have describe your church to the tee, otherwise I would not get the feedback I did. Though you will deny this, but when unsaved is confronted with the Truth about themselves they go into denial instead of reflecting.

This the Jews did to the Prophets and the Son. They kill the Prophets and the Son in the Name of God. This you wish to do to me also.

You say are Christians. The Jews made the same claim as Sons of Abraham to Jesus.

But if that were true, you would have welcomed me, and consider my posts for your own self interests. Instead you wish to kill me. For I only spoke truth to you concerning the churches you attend.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/27/10


Obewan ... How dare you refer to PASTOR JIM as "Pastor Jim"
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/27/10


\\ In all my travels to 1000s of churches in the USA, I have not seen a single one that was Christian. Just in name only!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/24/10 \\

How do you bear this burden of discernment and judgement?

Can you offer us any proof that Christ, to Whom all judgement has been given, has shared this duty with you?

BTW--assuming that you attended a different church each Sunday for a year, it would take you about 20 years to visit 1000 churces.

Are you expecting us to believe that you have indeed spent the las 40 years visiting at least 2000 of them?
---Cluny on 2/26/10


I am starting to believe you [Pastor Jim] are in these blogs for the shock effect.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/26/10

Amen to that. I have said it before that for all we know he could be some imposter troll of a teenager just getting some ha ha's out of stirring up trouble.

As the blogger saying goes, don't feed the trolls! (And mabye they will go away). LOL
---obewan on 2/26/10


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In all my travels to 1000s of churches in the USA, I have not seen a single one that was Christian. Just in name only!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/24/10

I find this statement preposterous. Do you ever speak with people or only survey their services? No body of believers is perfect but your statement out does itself.

Being the son and brother of pastors and knowing these men's churches intimately, theirs and my church are as authentic as they come. Are they like the churches in the book of Acts, no, but I do not place doctrine on what happened in the book of Acts. I see the Book of Acts as a transitional book, full of things no where else in the Scriptures.

I am starting to believe you are in these blogs for the shock effect.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/26/10


Donna66, you are doing a great job for Christ yourself, I admire those who will speak for God no matter the topic and I have seen your answers concerning the sovereignty of God. I know many don't want to enter those discussions and I understand why, all you have to do is look at what you have to go against, hater's of God having His way with them, they want their rights, and that brings out the worse in them as you can see what I have to go through everyday, but the fight is for the Truth. The Truth is worth losing some friends here, whom we don't even know, and as long as we bring it out, God takes care of the rest. A few days ago I learned from what Alan said. He spoke the Truth and it had an effect on many.
---MarkV. on 2/26/10


MarkV -- Yes, your posts often minister to me or clarify things for me, even if I don't take part in the discussion.
---Donna66 on 2/26/10


\\Some denominations have revert back to the traditions of the RCC, "works for salvation"\\

The Roman Catholic Church never taught that, and does not teach it now.
---Cluny on 2/26/10


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Donna66, I believe you are correct. You will find the differences in their words many times right away. Some denominations have revert back to the traditions of the RCC, "works for salvation" they were not that way when they started. I believe Wesley had a lot to do with that. But no matter their denominations, I believe what I do is discuss doctrines. I know the other person I am responding to will not change his mind because of me, but the Truth reaches out to so many that only read and listen to what is said, and the Truth never returns void. It always accomplishes the purpose God had for it.
---MarkV. on 2/26/10


I think it is always a good thing to know what others believe. Not for the purpose of determining who is better.
Rather it should be to understand how people think, especially if we want to discuss spiritual things with them. We should know what beliefs we share with them as well as the ways we differ.
---Donna66 on 2/25/10


Mima ... What are you trying to say?

You seem to disapprove of finding out the common ground between denominations, so this means you commend the highlighting of differences between denominations, and thus the perpetuation of the divisions between them.

You then appear to indicate that this builds up consequent belief (dormant in all of us) that we are "just a little better" than our brother Christians.

Do you really think this is good?
---alan8566_of_ukj on 2/26/10


There is no following(made up of followers) to be gained by discussing the similarities of denominational churches.

There is lying dormant in all of us believe that we are just a little"better" than our brother Joe. By highlighting the differences that exist between denominations good footing for this belief can be gained.
---mima on 2/25/10


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Because all denominations are not similar. A denomination which describes themself to others is introducing who they are to others, what they believe in, and what kind of a church they are. Most people would like to know what type of denomination they are going to attend before they actually go to attend: Is it Christian or nonChristian, pentecostal or conservative, formal or casual, loud or quiet, et cetera.
---Eloy on 2/25/10


Personally, I know of a number of churches from different denominations who share many things and work together as part of a partnership. I have not visited all the churches but from what I know of some I'd see no major doctrinal issues between them (although "styles" of service may differ). As I was once told, it is not the name on the door but the preaching inside that counts the most - does the church "sit under the Word"? Having said that, there are some "denominations" (you may wish to read sects as well) that I would not expect the church I attend to work with - not all believe we are saved in Christ alone, by grace alone, through faith alone (Ephesians 2 v1-10 and Romans 3 v21-31)
---simon7348 on 2/25/10


well, it is the differences that make then a denomination. It is based on the diferences that we choose one denomination or the other.

I myself am a denominationalist.
When you say penticostal, i can associate a set of doctrines with that church.
When you say seventh dy adventist I can associate a set of beliefs with that church.

Each denomination also has thier own language.

I like it like that.
By the name i know what they believe, and they know what i believe.
---francis on 2/25/10


Jesus said in the end there would be a great falling away. There will be great revival, yet many fall away. We go through hell on earth, sometimes but Christ is with us. I agree many churches have fallen from the faith. That is an absolute as many do not believe Jesus rose again! Romans chapter one tells us we are not to support alternate lifestyles, yet some churches do. We are to lead those out of it! If they refuse, they will depart! This happened with the church Dr. James Kennedy was member of. We all remember this. The church split in half! There were those that accepted the Holy Spirit giving Paul the words in Romans and those who would not accept them. We have to accept all the Word or call Christ a liar!
---Virgil on 2/25/10


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Sorry Obewan,

We're still in America and censorship is not our way. Perhaps when your Mess-iah completes his mission you can have me arrested for disagreeing with you and you Mess-iah.

Donnna66, I'm actually working on a program for this right now. Its an outreach to members of these churches.
If you study Wesley, he did the same thing with the Church of England which at the time was also complacent as the churches in the US are today. This is mainly due to the wealth of the time. I am not a Wesleyan,
So don't put me in a box.

Yes, I am a Pastor/Rabbi/Theologian. I speak wherever I am asked. Just as Paul, The Apostles and Jesus did in Pagan, Pharassitic, and Samaria arenas.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/25/10


And by what means do you intend to reach them? Do YOU have something to offer them that is POSITIVE? (like the Gospel)?
---Donna66 on 2/25/10

It would help if he learned the meaning of the word grace!
---obewan on 2/25/10


pastor Jim --
I'm sorry you have managed to visit 1000's of churches that are, in your words, not Christian. I know at least a few churches that are...they have few if any social activities or potlucks...just worship the Lord and study the Bible.

What do you hope to achieve by your "outreach", if NOBODY is interested in spiritual things?

And if they are converted,where will you tell them to worship? Only your church? (since you say there are NONE that are Christian)

And by what means do you intend to reach them? Do YOU have something to offer them that is POSITIVE? (like the Gospel)?
---Donna66 on 2/25/10


DONNA66,
In all my travels to 1000s of churches in the USA, I have not seen a single one that was Christian.-PASTOR_JIM on 2/24/10

I can't believe the moderator is letting his comments through!

This guy has to be an imposter troll out to make trouble.

What he said is that he has never been in true Christian fellowship. Not a single one? Not even his own church?

Thousands? I have to call him out on that. I think that is an impossible number.

If he is in fact a real "pastor" then why does he keep accepting these speaking engagements? What other reason would take him to thousands of Churches?

He has lost all credibility with me. Especially with his Obama lies that have been disproved.
---obewan on 2/24/10


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Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

Have you understood this verse? Well these is prophecy in the future. WOMEN signifies CHURCHES and ONE MAN referring to JESUS CHRIST. There women...eat their own bread meaning they have their own doctrine/gospel which is not from Christ. They have their own apparel which is not the robe of righteousness. They only called Jesus...but actually they are not the verse said "to take away our reproach". All churches said we are in Christ but actually not.
---rosalie on 2/24/10


Donna66, I too disagree with Jim on the churches. I disagree with Steven G also. The Catholic Church has given Christianity a very bad name through it's actions through history and even now when they want to bash a Christian church they use the Catholic Churches to do so. While there are many bad churches there is many good churches. They don't all fall in the same group as the others. Plus God commanded us to meet together. Sin will always be with us and we will always have false teachers trying to change the Word of God no matter if you are in church or outside the Church.
---MarkV. on 2/24/10


Thanks for not conceding your point, Donna66.

There seems to be a fine line between endless arguments, and other times continuing to state the truth.
---Rod4Him on 2/24/10


DONNA66,

In all my travels to 1000s of churches in the USA, I have not seen a single one that was Christian. Just in name only!

Also, I use the term ALL, since all the post I made on this subject are really an outreach to those who are involved in this Facade of Christianity.

The hope is they will see the light and realized the Hypocrisy they are involved with.

So using "ALL" eliminates the extreme denial of these Carnal Christians and leave no room for them to wiggle out of.

If I said "MOST" then they would arrogantly believe THEY are the exception (The chosen few)
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/24/10


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Pastor Jim-- I'm not ready to concede my point. I KNOW that there are some people who choose to attend "CHURCH" because they sense a spiritual void within themselves and don't know how to fill it. Traditionally, church, not various "clubs",is where these needs are met.

Now, whether or not these needs are met, is a different question. In many cases they are not.

Not sure what you thought my response would be, that you had to answer ahead of time.
Congratulations on your use of the word many in your last post. It's a very useful word, along with: "most", "a few", "sometimes" "almost always/ never", "usually" "seldom" etc.
---Donna66 on 2/24/10


Really, ALWAYS? ALL of them? NOBODY is looking for spiritual truth? Why don't they join dance clubs, bridge clubs, book clubs, travel clubs,civic or occupational organizations, VFW (if they are vets).... they'd have more fun! Why a CHURCH?
---Donna66 on 2/23/10

Because they decided to join these clubs. Why would the other clubs be more fun?

To them this IS more fun. Don't see your point at all. People join chess clubs quilting clubs and Church Clubs. Just a matter of taste.

NO DIFFERENCE, SINCE CHURCH CLUBS HAVE ALL THE ACTIVITIES YOU MENTIONED IN THE OTHER CLUBS.

Your point is invalid.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/24/10


ALSO DONNA66..

Many poeple prefer to join Church Clubs for the following reasons...

They are either obese, unattractive, lonely or losers in society..

They desire to be in a social situation where they are not judged or pressured.
The lonely need family and comradery with people who would act as family to them.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PER-SE BUT...

This is NOT the function of Gods church.

Its function is to Glorify and do the works of God.

TO ANSWER YOUR NEXT RESPONCE...

NO!!! These clubs do not minister help or teach Spiritual Truth to these people, only a Social club NOTHING ELSE!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/24/10


1.
The Jesus Name Churches Is the Church body that belongs to God. There is less of Jesus name Churches in the world, so that makes it little flock. God has only 1 Church, which is according to Mark 16 v 16 - Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20, to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost, in the which the trinity denies.
All the other Are Man-made relig-org's churches that started with r-catholocism the first trin-church & came from here,2nd Cor.11 v's 14-15. This makes the Man-mades great-many flocks in the world that doesn't belong to God. These people Are such Good people, but they are so spiritually darkened. Because of here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15 has many churches & is Not of God.
---Lawrence on 2/24/10


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2.
The Man-made relig-org's churches stand here.
Matt.15 v 9,
2nd.Cor.4 v 4, in the which the trin-people deny Jesus name baptism. This baptism Is All part of the wedding garment.
John 10 v 1, the Man-mades are trying to get into heaven another way without Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fuifills Matt.28 v's 19-20, & Is the wedding garment.
Matt.22 v's 11-13 the man here represents all the Man-made relig-org's churches, even the good-doers (people with their self righteous acts of kindness thinking they'l get in.)
John 5 v 39.
The Man-mades came from here, 2nd. Cor. 11 v's 14-15, even the god of muslam, buddha etc.
---Lawrence on 2/24/10


I have worked side by side with Catholics, Lutherans, Presbys, Mennonites, Apostolic, AOG, even Messianic Jews, and I can say for a 100% certainty that if Jesus is your Savior, your Redeemer, your reason for living, denomination does not mean anything.

We have more in common than we have in difference. Denominations disagree on "fringe" arguments.

If we agree on the specifics of the Apostles Creed, then you are my brother or sister in Christ no matter what kind of church you belong to.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/23/10


pastor Jim---
Because they are Social Clubs, that preach Their Traditions as doctrine. Whether it is the RCC or the Latest Rock/Roll fad church.

People join these Clubs for social activities, nothing else. No God exists in them
.

Really, ALWAYS? ALL of them? NOBODY is looking for spiritual truth? Why don't they join dance clubs, bridge clubs, book clubs, travel clubs,civic or occupational organizations, VFW (if they are vets).... they'd have more fun! Why a CHURCH?

What you say may describe many churches, but ALL? I don't believe you have been to all churches.
---Donna66 on 2/23/10


For the same reason that many churches now have a church "business office" today.

Churches are competing for members and want to attract as many people as possible.

If they advertise their offerings they think they can attract more people. More people = more money.

Also, they can keep out the "riff raff" if people know ahead of time what they are in for. They are less likely to attract "dissenters".
---obewan on 2/23/10


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Lawrance-- Do you have Scriptural evidence that the UPC and Jesus Name churches are the ONLY "small" flock? Or that they are the ONLY ones who teach: "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."?

Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.

These statements say that belief on Jesus,
(not belief + baptism + tounges) is what brings eternal life?
---Donna66 on 2/23/10


Donna
Yes for the Jesus Name Chuches that belongs to God. Colo.3 v 17, even water baptism.
For the Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with r-catholocism the first trin-church, they Need it.
I've heard these Man-made relig-org's churches pronounce in the name of the Father-Son & Holy spirit for baptism,
marriages, baby christining, burial & the such like & this Is False. There's No 1 found in scriptures that was litterally baptized in the titles that r-catholocism started. Scripture says do all in the name Lord, & the name of the Lord Is Jesus Christ.
Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20. It's Jesus Christ Name All The Way.
---Lawrence on 2/23/10


Because they are Social Clubs, that preach Their Traditions as doctrine. Whether it is the RCC or the Latest Rock/Roll fad church.

People join these Clubs for social activities, nothing else.

THEY DO NOT REPRESENT GOD!. YET YOU'LL HEAR THEM ALL SAY "WE GO BY SCRIPTURE ONLY" LOL!!!

They are dens for the Psuedo Beourgoise Fake Carnal so-called "Christians" NOTHING ELSE!

You'll see their "Bible studies" empty and their GLUTTON Feasts of the Fatted Calf full!(AKA:Potluck).

Their conversations is never about God. Because they do not care about God, Their Mantra is: "We're saved by Grace, lets eat Potluck!". it's Life Insurance. Nothing Else!

NO GOD EXIST IN THEM!
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/23/10


It may not be the whole denomination that is promoting that it is different than others, but only certain individuals may be taking it on themselves to do this. "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." (2 Corinthians 10:12) People grow up, and discover their leaders are just self-favoritistic, and they get wise to things, and may stay to reach others and may mix with humble members of other churches during weekday Bible studies and prayer meetings. I myself can be self-exalting, also, by saying, oh I'm not like those denominational people.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/23/10


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Actually, the questions about our denominations are the ones that I find difficult to answer, especially with unbelievers. But I think, we should stay on focus, both on preaching the the Gospel, and about our eternal security. However, we must unite always in sharing the Gospel, not letting ourselves be divided by denominations, so that the Gospel might be preached to all nations!
---dorky on 2/23/10


"Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

I believe the strait gate and the narrow way mentioned here refers to the person of Lord Jesus Christ

---mima on 2/23/10


It is truly amazing that all the old heresies has been simply resurrected. For example, those who are part of the United Pentecostal Church and the Jesus Only Group are simply following the false teachings of Sabellius, a third century priest and theologian. His teaching was condemn by the Church. Sabellians experienced glossolalia and baptized in the "shorter formula" because of their denial of the Holy Trinity. The UPC calls themselves "Apostolic" but it is oxymoron.

The False Jehovah Witnesses deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and are Arianism in there Christology.

All the heresies that the Early God-Bearing Fathers battled in there time has emerge once again in several Protestant sects.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/23/10


Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Lawrance- Do you think these verses were written exclusively for the UPC or Jesus name churches? They are quoted so often by the UPC as if they could apply to no other denomination.
Can't any small Christian group or denomination, whose beliefs and practices are less than popular, claim them as well?
---Donna66 on 2/22/10


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Western Christendom (Roman Catholicism and the majority of sects who adhere to Protestantism) and Eastern Christendom (Eastern Orthodoxy, Eastern Catholics, the Non-Chalcedonian, and the Assyrian Church of the East) all agree in the Holy Trinity, and except for the Non-Chalcedonian Churches, we all agree on the Chrisology of Jesus Christ as proclaimed in the Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea, (325AD), Constantinople (381AD), Ephesus (431AD), and Chalcedon (451AD).

You either stand with what Holy Scriptures, the Early God-Bearing Fathers, and the first Seven Holy Ecumenical Councils, taught or stand with the heretics (Apollinarianism, Arianism, Nestorianism, Eutycheanism, Monophysitism, Monothelitism, Iconclasm, etc).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/22/10


The True Pentecost was born on the day of Pentecost according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20. Gal.1 v's 8-9. There is less of the Jesus Name Churches in the world. Strait is the gate & narrow is the way, be but few to find it. Fear ye not little flock for you are the Fathers good pleasure.
The sub pentecost like the bapt, presby, luth, naz, episco etc came from here, r-catholocism the first trin-church(All Man-made), which started here, 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15. Even the god of the muslam, buddha, hindu etc. The devil has Many BIG flocks. There is more Man-made relig-org's churches in the world. For broad is the way to destruction & be many to go in thereat.
---Lawrence on 2/22/10


Donna, I agree with you. At first I was wondering where you were going with your comments, thinking that you were going to reenforce denominationalism.

In general in years past, the thinking was not to find things to agree with because that was ecomenical.

The challenge is which statements of faith should cause one not to fellowship with another? and which ones are essential for fellowship?
---Rod4Him on 2/22/10


Donna ... What similarities are there between baptists, Pentacostals and Catholics.

Do you really not know?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/10


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\\ Dale, what similarities does a Pentecostal person have with a Catholic person? (just curious what you think that may be).

What similarities does a Baptist person have with a Catholic person?\\

With the exception of the Sabellian modalist heretics (who mistakenly call themselves "apostolic faith"), Baptists, Catholics, Pentecostals, and Orthodox, for that matter, all believe that God is Three Persons in one essence (or nature) and that Jesus is God Incarnate in two complete natures (human and divine) in a unique incarnation risen from the dead.
---Cluny on 2/22/10


Dale: That is a good question and point. The Bible warns us against having factions and admonishes us to be "like minded". The development of what we call Church has been sinful in that these denominations defy God with their distinctions. Not to mention that there is much "false doctrine" rampant among them. The best thing to do is to follow the Bible and check everything out with God through His Spirit. The Churches are in horrible shape so do not depend upon a Church for truth bc they will probably have error mixed in.
---jody on 2/22/10


Because they're right and everyone else is wrong!
---1st_cliff on 2/22/10


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