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Explain Ephesians 6:11-17

In Ephesians 6:11-17 what part of the armour is missing and why?

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 ---The_armour_ofGOD on 2/23/10
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... narcissism,judgmentalism, phenomenalism...
---aka_joseph on 4/28/10


Against the wiles of the devil....the wiles of the devil are attractive, deceptive, and ensnaring. Satan is a personal enemy and I have some bones to pick with him, too. Yessss. He is a great adversary and slanderous, and he will use his people for his glory, accuser. He is a milignant foe [like cancer]. He uses clever and crafty method to deceive. We know about him, now, lets do something about him.....God says, "he fashions his ministers as ministers of rigteousness. I am sure happy I'm saved....Satan is the champion, uggg, of liberalism, ritualism, and whole bunch of other "ism".
---catherine on 4/28/10


I think he forgot the "cup" (or helmet for some). :~#
---aka_joseph on 4/28/10


Early Manuscripts have titled it correctly as: Laodicean. The 1st sentence does not exist in any manuscripts. It is theorize that this letter was found in Ephesus thus the error of it origin. Paul may have been in his prison cell in Ephesus when writing this letter.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/25/10

Pastor Jim, I believe Colossians is where Laodicea is.

The Church at Ephesus is clearly seen in the 7 Churches in Revelation.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/10


\\ Just for the record, my studies led me to a commentary that said the greaves were part of the shoes.
---Fay on 2/26/10\\

Which makes no sense when you actually look at the greaves and how they were put on.
---Cluny on 2/26/10




Just for the record, my studies led me to a commentary that said the greaves were part of the shoes.
---Fay on 2/26/10


I'm not sure the "uncovered" area in this metaphor has any great significance. -Donna

Donna is correct as when I taught a class on Ephesians I purposely avoided discussion of location, church or even Pauline authorship.

Ephesians has much to say about relationships for marriage, families and even business.
Since Satan always attacks first at the point of relationships I placed a laser focus on discernment and how we are to defend ourselves against the enemy.
I wasn't going to miss the point of the letter for esoteric discussions.
---larry on 2/25/10


Pastor Jim: You need to sharpen that "sword of the Spirit".
Ignatius / Theophorus Bishop of Antioch born around 50 A.D., who wrote his own letter to the people in Ephesus, believed that Ephesians was written to the Ephesians. The heretic Marcion, unreasonably believed that the letter was addressed to the Laodiceans. In a few Alexandrian texts, the city was left blank because they were copies of the texts that did say 'on Ephesos', and were to be sent elsewhere making them a 'cyclical letter'. And the Bible is still an encyclical book. "The 1st sentence does not exist in any manuscripts." It exists in the majority of manuscripts!
---Glenn on 2/25/10


The Letter mis-titled "Ephesians" was not written to the Ephesians.

That is an error. The letter was written to Laodiceas. Not Ephesus. It is a cyclical letter, note it does not have any familiar greetings to anyone in Ephesus which is the tradition of Paul and of the time. He had many friends there.

It was written the same week as Colossian where he refers to it in COL4:16.

Early Manuscripts have titled it correctly as: Laodicean. The 1st sentence does not exist in any manuscripts. It is theorize that this letter was found in Ephesus thus the error of it origin. Paul may have been in his prison cell in Ephesus when writing this letter.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/25/10


"1Samuel 13:20-21 ..."coulter, ...axe, ...mattock. ...forks, ...goads." 1Samuel 17:40 ..."five smooth stones ...sling". 2Samuel 7:14 "rod". 2Chroncles 26:14-15 ..."slings to cast stones. ...engines, ...to shoot arrows and great stones withal." Psalm 2:9 "rod of iron". Ezekiel 39:9 "the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears"...
---Glenn on 2/25/10




Also, after Christians are covered by the full armor of God, He's "got our backs" covered as well. So, I believe we're "fully" covered, far better than the Roman Legionaires ever were Elder. :)
---Leon on 2/24/10

The reason we have our backs covered, is when we put on the whole armor we are actually putting on Christ.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

All those attributes: Righteousness, faith, the Word who is the sword etc IS Jesus Christ!

The battle belongs to the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/10


Donna66, great analysis of this discussion.

While I was reading this thread, I was thinking did Paul not hear God right and Paul left some pertinent information out?
---Rod4Him on 2/25/10


The armor of Eph 6:11, metaphorically, teaches many good spiritual lessons. However, any metaphor has limits. Where details are dissected and scrutinized, any metaphor will eventually break down. I think we often over-spiritualize. It makes for an interesting sermon, but I'm not sure the "uncovered" area in this metaphor has any great significance.
---Donna66 on 2/25/10


I agree with Leslie, Michael & Cluny.

Greaves -- shin plates, very interesting Cluny. Roman Centurions wore greaves.

The only place in the Bible I know of that mentions greaves is 1 Sam 17:6 & they definitely didn't help Goliath...maybe if he'd only wore them on his forehead. :D

Also, after Christians are covered by the full armor of God, He's "got our backs" covered as well. So, I believe we're "fully" covered, far better than the Roman Legionaires ever were Elder. :)
---Leon on 2/24/10


I asked this question to a friend of mine, and he said it was back armor that was missing, as he was taught that the back was uncovered, or so he was taught in a SS class on this very subject.

I did some minimal research. Guess what? He was taught wrong. The Roman Lorica segmentata covered all of the torso, both front and back.

In addition, there was chain mail that covered both.
---Cluny on 2/24/10


I also believe no part of God's armor is missing, but I do like Leslie's response.
---MIchael on 2/24/10


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What answer did you want, The_armour_ofGOD?
---Cluny on 2/24/10


There are many conditions for having prayers answered but they all fall under the armor of the sword so nothing is missing.Obedience is in the verses before and prayer is in the verses after but forgiveness is the one most people have problems with, but it's in the Word. What is it that you wanted to hear?
---Fay on 2/23/10


This is one of those passages that some people like to "spiritualize." The only part of armour that is "missing" is a covering for the back. It is said that is because the (Christian) solider is to always be going forward and not backwards. Never never retreat.
It sure sounds good when you "preach" it but there is no Scripture saying there is no back covering. We should be always facing the battle but again this passage doesn't appear to be saying that either.
Doesn't the helmet of Salvation cover the entire person?
---Elder on 2/23/10


NOTHING is MISSING there.

.....BUT, we have failed in verse 14....

"girded your loins with TRUTH".

We have chosen to be girded with LIES since Antioch.

We are to discern CLEARLY (DISTINGUISH) between good and evil (as a dichotomy, TWO sided coin) and we should have the DISCERNING "SWORD" that GODS' SPIRIT will teach OUR SPIRIT.

The "bible" should not be DESIGNATED "the word of God"...

...the "SWORD of the spirit" is...THE WORD (verse 17).

Hebrews 5:14

"solid food is for the mature, for those who have their faculties trained by practice to DISTINGUISH...".

Romans 8:16
"with OUR SPIRIT".
---more_excellent_way on 2/23/10


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If you are engaged in a spiritual war, nothing is missing. It better not be, less you are defeated by the enemy....Know and expect God, His strngth and His power to help you. Men dream of a devil and their dreams are wrong. God says, Satan fashions himself into an angel of light and fashions his ministers as ministers of righteousness. He is the champion liberalism, ritualism, rationalism, and every other "ism" that seeks to displace Christ....Never underestimate the enemy.
---catherine on 2/23/10


No part of the armor is missing, however the part that people tend to miss is the knee pads of prayer. They are not mentioned as this, but if you read after it lists the armor, it talks about always being in prayer.
---Leslie on 2/23/10


Tell me, was every item of a Roman soldier's battle gear appropriate to St. Paul's metaphor?

I think you're reading more into the omission of any piece than was intended.

But I think the answer you're looking for is greaves--shin plates.
---Cluny on 2/23/10


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