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There's been research published saying that intelligent people tend to be more monagamous, and the less intelligent are likely to be promiscuous. They also say it is the more intelligent who reject the idea of God and religion. There seems to be an anomaly there. Comment?

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Mark ... Only a few here object to others putting forward their understanding of the Word of God. Whilst some disagree with that understanding, neither you nor Shawn have been attacked for putting forward your view.

It is sad the reverse can't be said
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/14/10


Shawn T. It's a shame, the same people did the same thing to me who wanted to bring the word of God to them. That is not good enough, if we do not agree with them, they continue like a cancer that won't die. You give them God's Word, they give you their opinions and call you names, because they cannot find the Word of God agreeing with them. I'm sorry brother that you have to go through what I have many times. It was bound to happen since you and I agree on almost everything. You are a great teacher brother whom I have alot of respect for. Your words have edified me many times. Yours and a few others like Lee, Donna66, Catherine, Warwick, Tommy, Darline, Rod, Steven-rem and many others. Don't let anyone stop you from proclaiming God's Truth.
---MarkV. on 3/14/10


1Corinthians 2. The first group would be wise and perspicacious (at least here) *1. The second would be a group of fools *2. In Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:35 "But wisdom is justified of her children" means that the wise would understand his manner of doing things.
*1 Psalm 25:9, Proverbs 8:34, Matthew 7:7-8, 21:22, Mark 11:24, James 1:5, 3:13, 17, 1John 3:22, 5:14.
*2 Psalms 14:1, 53:1, Proverbs 12:15, 13:16, 16:22, 24:7, 26:12, Isaiah 5:21, Matthew 6:22-23, 7:13, 12:34-37, Mark 7:21-23, Romans 1:18-32, 1Corinthians 2:14, Ephesians 4:17-19, James 3:14-15, Jude 1:18-19.
---Glenn on 3/13/10


There is proof that the intelligent accept God, and the foolish reject God. Any research which contradicts the truth, is wholly bunko. "The fool has said in their heart, no God." Psalm 14:1+ 53:1.
---Eloy on 3/13/10


Can we all please stop arguing and pointing the finger. Somebody take the high seat and turn the other cheek, PLEASE!
Let's get back to the word of God.
---miche3754 on 3/12/10

miche I totally understood this last statement of yours. But I see Shawn MT will use EVERY opportunity to TWIST someone's words and thoughts to excuse his own behavior.

I know it's Shawn's pride, as he continued his outbursts on other threads here...he just can't LET GO!!!

Shawn MT will always be right in his own eyes. That's the flesh he never crucified. Do you see, LOVE Joy PEACE, long suffering etc? I sure don't!

There are many blogs here that are GENERAL QUESTIONS. Does Shawn MT rant on those telling them they are not SPIRITUAL. NO!
---kathr4453 on 3/12/10




Shawn ... Thank you Miche ... you have pointed out just what the mind reader could not spot. He is of course too clever to see that my 3/3 comment was to show how nonsensical it is to place reliance on the results of such research.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/12/10


-- Miche :

PLEASE! Let's get back to the Word of God. --Miche

Sister, Amen ~ That what I've been sharing with Alan of UK since my very first post ....

We have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God, which things we're also to speak/spread, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches : comparing spiritual things with spiritual. --Shawn.M.T on 3/2/10

BTW ~ We are to warren the Brethren when we find them pondering how they don't fit & conform to the world's view : As Alan did on 3/3/10. Rom.12:2-3

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/12/10


Thank you Alan, I am sure now that it was probably a ruse to get people started on the "i'm smarter than you are" kick. It is okay brother, I have asked those question that sparked very heated debate, LOL.

Shawn, I don't think Alan intended what you are saying he intended. I think this question was a general and he just wanted to know what people think or thought about it.

Can we all please stop arguing and pointing the finger. Somebody take the high seat and turn the other cheek, PLEASE!
Let's get back to the word of God.
---miche3754 on 3/12/10


-- Kathr :

Shawn MT I have moved totally passed this subject. -- Kathr on 3/11/10

Bobby1, this conversation was between me and Shawn MT...NOT YOU!!!! BUT OUT!!! --Kathr on 3/11/10


Sister, That's the paranoia of your flesh crying out & causing you to tell 'Bobby1' to BUT OUT!!! : When 'Bobby1' wasn't even stating anything about the conversation between yourself & me, when he shared that "You do let evil reign in your heart ... thinking of nothing but starting controversy & division ... ranting & raving like a mad person."

Kathr, It appears that it's YOU who feels the need to vindicate yourself, b/c obviously your PRIDE is hurt & hasn't TOTALLY move past this issue !!!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/11/10


Miche ... 'Twas in the newspapers some time ago now. There were no stats, as I remember, just the two general alleged "findings" of the research study.

I'm sorry now that I ever asked the question, because I have been castigated so much for doing so.

Nevertheless, some people have made sensible comment, such as those who suggested that the study had been carried out be people who wished to prove certain things, and so the stats can't really be trusted.

Understanding that is probably more valuable as we witness to those who have seen those reports than just refusing to copnsider them, for that route leads non-Christians to think that we have no defense to offer.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/11/10




-- Miche :

Alan, can you tell me where you got these statistics? --Miche

Sister, Abstain from these statistics b/c they reject God !!!

As God's Child you have the Wisdom that is the Fear of the Lord which enables you to intelligently Rightly Divide & Understand His Knowledgeable Word : and it's by this intelligence that our minds are renew & transformed in Christ, while not comparing or looking to conform to the world's intelligence.

... but despite knowing & being told this, with Scriptures from Rom.12:2-3 & Luke 9:59-60, Alan still wishes to tend to these dead things by pondering how he doesn't fit in them, instead of tending to the Lord's Way & abstaining from their obvious appearance of evil.
---ShawnM.T. on 3/11/10


-- Kathr :

PLEASE don't use Elijah being sent to a widow ... Widow's often took in borders. --Kathr

Sister, O' now only certain individual can border together without giving the appearance of evil : Hmmm....

You believe the appearance of evil is YOUR PRESUMED POSSIBILITY of them having sexual relations, but that can be presumed whether they're living together or not.

So, If your going to PRESUME that couples living together give the appearance of evil, then you also have to presume couples NOT LIVING TOGETHER give the some appearance : which would mean that giving the appearance of being a couple or even as getting married is not abstaining from all appearance of evil. ... How silly are you Kathr !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/11/10


Kathr if you said you are moving on, why don't you move on? You are not hurting anyone's pride, but your own. And making yourself look bad by claiming I'm someone else, that is your method, what else is new under the sun? You already accuse me of going after other man. That is sick. That can only come from your mind.
Romans 8:5,
"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh"
That is you, the carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God.
---mary on 3/11/10


Bobby1 and mary..the same person!!

Got it!!! Bobby1, this conversation was between me and Shawn MT...NOT YOU!!!! BUT OUT!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/11/10


I am smart, I believe in God and I am chaste too. what does that make me?
At least according to what is asked here.
Alan, brother, can you tell me where you got these statistics from? It is a very interesting subject.
---miche3754 on 3/11/10


Kathr, I was right when I first talked to you. You do let evil reign in your heart. Everyday you think of nothing but starting controversy and division. It is very annoying to hear you each day ranting and raving like a mad person. You ask Steven-rem what tribe he was from, how about you, what tribe or cult are you from?
---Bobby1 on 3/11/10


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Shawn MT I have moved totally passed this subject. Obviously your PRIDE is hurt, feeling the need to vindicate yourself.

I don't have any such needs. That is your flesh crying out. It happens...
---kathr4453 on 3/11/10


-- Adetunji & Mary :

Brethren, Thanks Be To God for giving you both Eyes & Ears to Spiritually See & Hear nothing but the Rightly Divided Word, I imparted to Alan, for the Glory of God.

--- Alan of UK :

Brother, No one but you assumed to think I was twisting & claiming you weren't Christian, monogamous or for that matter that I was saying you claimed to be intelligent : I even clearly stated on 3/9/10 I wasn't implying those things.

It's your choice if you don't want to see past your presumptions, and tend to Hearing the Lord's Word. : There's no compassion for a man who wishes to continue hurting b/c he doesn't want to except an Olive Branch of Reconciliation from a Brother in the Lord !!
---ShawnM.T. on 3/11/10


Shawn MT If you go back and read, Mich's comments and MarkV's were discussing SPIRITUAL fornication, not marrriage.

Miche did not reply to my question and your answer in the quote you posted.

MarkV asking you to clarify, was to marriage and christians or anyone living together before marriage. TWO different subject matters.

---kathr4453 on 3/11/10


Shawn MT, those things you just quoted here from Miche etc, was not concerning the Thread and the subject matter discussed on the " What is fornication?" blog.

So why are you trying to make it look like it was? DECEIPTFUL.

MarkV asked you to CLARIFY if you believed fornication/living together without being married was a sin before marriage. Your reply...was not YES...but some strange reply that Elijah was sent by God to live with a widow woman, implying God sent Elijah to live as husband to a widow outside marriage.

Shawn MT, No matter how hard you TRY, you said what you said, not only to me, but Darlene1 on another blog concerning living together before marriage.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/10


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-- Kathr :

I believe even MarkV and others were confused --Kathr on 3/9/10

Sister, Nope ~ Just You !!!!

Shawn,

Brother, I have to Agree with MarkV!
Oh my, you laid it out didn't you.
Awesome teaching!
Some might not be ready for the "T-Bone Steak" you just put out !

Just wonderful!! --Miche on 3/4/10

Shawn, I didn't see one mistake in your answer on fornication. FORNICATION IS SEPARATION FROM GOD ... I understood very well when you answered Lawrence ... NOWHERE DID YOU STATE CHRISTIANS NOW CAN COMMIT SEXUAL FORNICATION ... That is very obvious unless SOMEONE wants to distort your message again. --MarkV. on 3/8/10


FYI~That SOMEONE would be you Kathr !!
---Shawn.M.T on 3/11/10


Shawn ... Your olive branch ... where and when.

Your rules are ... you can twist as you please whatever anyone else says ... others are not allowed to report what you actually say.

That does not come from the Holy Spirit.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/10/10


-- Alan of UK :

Good .. I now know your rules! --Alan on 3/9/10

Brother, The Lord's Command are my rules : we're Commanded that when our Brother has ought against us, we're to leave our gift before the Altar & reconcile, then come and offer our gift !!

Your OUGHT is that I accused you either of not being a Christian or monogamous. on 3/5/10

So, I've extended an Olive Branch of Reconciliation on 3/9/10 that neither you nor myself were in question to you're intelligence, monogamy or Christianity : but that's not enough for you.

Alan, I've earnestly done my part. Now I'm headed back to the Altar to Peacefully tend to the Lord's Kingdom : Hope to see you there (c:
---ShawnM.T. on 3/9/10


Mary: Thank you. Pray for me, that I might increase to doing all things for the glory of God(1Cor.10:31). God bless you more.
---Adetunji on 3/10/10


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Adetunji, you interpreted Shawn's answers as I did. It is difficult some times to speak out when you are afraid of someone coming back at you. Your courage to say something was very commendable. Many disagree but don't go as far as saying bad things to them about their personal life, or makeup something not said. I might not agree with brother Shawn on everything but when someone does nothing wrong it is good to stand up for them, especially when they are giving God's Holy Word. When one part of the body hurts the others help.
---mary on 3/9/10


Alan, get out of the world thinking and gossiping, take the advice I gave you, you are acting like my grand child who is two years old. Not the man of God you should be. How do you expect God to answer any of your prayers when you are not right with Him? If there is really a good man in there you should move forward not backwards. Leave Kathr behind. She is no good for you. Just look at Miche, she moved forward answering questions for the Lord, isn't that what you should be shooting for?
---mary on 3/9/10


Kathr ... Don't you find them a bit amusing?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/9/10

Alan8566, I think bemused might be more accurate.
---kathr4453 on 3/9/10


Kathr ... Don't you find them a bit amusing?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/9/10


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FYI~Alan doesn't Hear or See to well, if he see that I think sexual fornication is OK.
---ShawnM.T. on 3/9/10
Shawn, so when asked this question and also on other blogs concerning living together before marriage etc, why not give a simple YES OR NO.

You didn't do that, and clearly stated to Darlene 1 your same answer to me. Now you want to insult Allan? I believe even markV and many others were confused by your non committal answer of going roundabout the question using Elijah as an example.

Maybe Shawn, when asked a question, refrain from pontification and just say yes or no!


I'm so glad I have my span blocker up....I can't see anymore of mary's posts. YEA!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/9/10


Kathr, if you could only hold your tongue from smearing others who don't agree with you, I would not be here answering your accusations to others.
I saw that everyone was just letting you speak without anyone saying a thing, in fear that you would smear them. Some don't want to answer because they know you will smear them too. You even tried to smear me and my husband who died. Dirt digger you are.
You got me out of my comfort zone, not only you, but those others, the group that amens each other for been critical. The more critical the more amens. Hey, I only wanted to bring your actions to the attention of others.
---mary on 3/9/10


I have heard the statistic explained this way: Higher intelligence corresponds to higher income, and higher incomes correspond to a lower divorce rate. More divorces are related to financial problems than cheating spouses.
---obewan on 3/9/10


Shawn ... So you are allowed to twiat my words and make them mean something else, when I am not allowed to take your words as they are written.

Good ... I now know your rules!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/9/10


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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Alan nor myself was implying that he is or isn't intelligent nor that he wasn't Christian or Monogamous in his 3/3/10 post : But Alan was viewing & comparing himself up-against the conforms of this worldly study by using these dead things of the world as a measure to say he can't fall into either of their categories .. of being an unintelligent Christian or an intelligent Monogamous !!

Viewing himself this way, Alan's mind set is still conformed to the world, and warrants he humbly receives the Lord's Corrective Word in Rom.12:2-3, Luke 9:59-60 & Pro.15:10 to understand his hurt.

FYI~Alan doesn't Hear or See to well, if he see that I think sexual fornication is OK.
---ShawnM.T. on 3/9/10


Alan, actually mary is a perfect example here of one being driven out of theri LOWER appetite, just like those driven to promiscuous. It has more to do with instant gratification. mary seems to find some kind of gratification in assulting me, not using her INTELLIGENCE but her lower base instincts. This too is what those who are driven by their lower animal instincts do in being promiscuous. They really can't or refuse to THINK and act in a responsible intelligent way, taking the higher road.

I'm sure, like those who are promiscuous, the THRILL of the moment is all that matters. That moment that wants to gratify themselves, but later leaves them empty.

I wonder if the study took that into consideration?
---kathr4453 on 3/9/10


The enemie is not prejudiced he doesn't care it a person is intelligent, poor, rich, or uneducated. He will decieve all that he can to take there where he will eventually end up... the pit.
---Apple on 3/9/10


Alan, I can read very well. I can also read what you are attempting to do because you feel like your name has been tarnished and now you have to get an apology or else. What I read that he wrote was the word of God in bolt letters right from the Bible. All he did was write what God wrote. Here is some godly advice, stay away from Kathr who can only drag you into the hell she is building, she wants company. Discern what she says and you will be fine.
---mary on 3/9/10


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-- Alan of UK :

Brother, Carnally minded as you were by tending to the world's dead things is death, but to be spiritually minded is Life & Peace, enabling us to Rightly Divide God's Word, b/c They that are after the flesh do mind & only hear the things of the flesh, but we that are after the Spirit, mind & Hear the things of the Spirit.

Alan, By using those dead things as a measure, you were viewing yourself by the world's conforms .. it had nothing to do with being or not Monogamous. It's why I posted on 3/4/10.. Don't think more highly of yourself than you ought, b/c you'll never prove what is that Good, Acceptable & Perfect Will of God, while you keep viewing yourself by the conforms of the world.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/9/10


Shawn ... What you put in bold in yours of 3/4 was an incomplete and selective extract from what I had written, and in fact a total distortion of it.

It implied that I claimed to be intelligent, when I had said the opposite.

Your other implication (amounting to an accusation) was that I was not monogamous.

But I see from you self-assessed "Word of God" statements elsewhere that you think that sexual fornication is quite OK. So I now understand that, with your own promiscuity, yuo would not see the insult you made, nor the hurt caused.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/9/10


-- Alan of UK :

Rom.12:2-3 Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that Good, Acceptable & Perfect Will of God : ... and to every man among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt ....

Brother, Everything in bold print is the Lord's Word I shared on 3/4/10, b/c you were viewing yourself by the conforms of the world !!

Alan, You're so deep into the flesh you don't even recognize God's Word any more. That's why you're hurting : and you're hurting only yourself ...Read my 3/6/10 post to Rob, and do as he did and part in Peace !!
---ShawnM.T. on 3/8/10


Shawn ... In yours of 4/3, there was no Lord's Word, just your accusation that I was thinking too highly of myself because I mentioned that I am monogamous.

Once again, I am sorry for thinking you meant what you wrote, and for not being able to read your mind.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/8/10


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Kathr ... There was no need to tell me that worldly wisdom is nothing more than that.

That was implicit in the original question.

But thank you anyway!!

It seems that mary can't read what Shawn actually said, and I'm not sure that Shawn himself can read what he said!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/8/10


Has anyone checked the relation (even direct) between monogamy and accepting the idea of God? Probably very positive!
---peter3594 on 3/8/10
peter3594, my understanding of monogamy is ONE WIFE at a time or one sexual partner at any given time.

Moromon who practice Pologamy would be offended if you called them stupid. I wouldn't say they were all stupid, but I would say WHAT they are doing is. I believe they also accept the IDEA of God.

Back to the drawing board!
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


I have some doubts about how the define ntelligent' here. Could they just mean 'well educated' or 'rich'(educated seems a possibility). But there is something in the rejection of God - we must remember that of the first disciples, none were what the Jews would call 'intelligent' (I assume in those days that would mean following the Old Testament laws). So we must be careful of how we define our terms. Has anyone checked the relation (even direct) between monogamy and accepting the idea of God? Probably very positive!
---peter3594 on 3/8/10


And here on this blog, Kathr again add's her stupid remarks of Hitler propaganda to support your false claims.
---mary on 3/8/10

Oh mary mary. My suggestion of Hitlers propaganda only support Shawn MT and those who know worldly studies apply to worldly people. I was a NICE, but true way to SHOW Alan without calling him unspiritual like others have.

mary, you have a processing problem with all you read of what I write. Now I'm convinced you have some sort of learning disability.

I was SHOWING Alan that worldly wisdom like Shawn MT stated is nothing more than that.

STOP trying to cause trouble mary/markV. You need help and fast.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


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-- Alan of UK :

Brother, To be carnally minded is death(as you were by tending to the world's dead things), but to be spiritually minded is Life & Peace, enabling us to Rightly Divide God's Word, b/c They that are after the flesh do mind & only hear the things of the flesh, but we that are after the Spirit, mind & Hear the things of the Spirit.

I meant what I shared of the Lord's Word to "not think of yourself more highly than you ought to, but think soberly, according as God hath dealt" & "Let the dead bury their dead : and go preach God's Kingdom." from Rom.12:3 & Luke 9:59-60.

Alan, Be careful & always listen in the Spirit, instead of the FLESH, and you won't get hurt !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/8/10


Shawn ... I must go deeper into apology mode!!

I am sorry for believing that you meant what you said
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/8/10


-- Alan of UK :

Brother, You didn't recognize the Lord's Word I shared b/c you were tending to the FLESH & not the Spirit. That's why you became offended, seeing the messenger(me) as hostile.

Instead of SOBERLY tending to God's Spiritual Way : You continued on DEEPER into the dead things of the world by measuring yourselves up-against them when you STATED "since I am ... monogamous for which attribute I need to be intelligent".

Alan, The only victims that get hurt by God's Corrective Word in Rom.12:3 & Luke 9:59-60 are those who hate reproof : So next time you're anger & or hurt, sin(bear false witness) not, by being Swifter to Hear, Slower to Speak & even Slower to Wrath in your responses !!
---Shawn.M.T on 3/8/10


Shawn ... I am apologising for taking your words as you wrote them.

Your linking of me "thinking more of myself than I should" to your fabricated claim that I claimed to be intelligent (which I had not) and to my claim to be monogamous did sound rather judgmental.

I apologise for imagining that you meant what you said.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/8/10


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Alan, how were you hurt? The godly advice? That seems to be the case since he never said what you declared to everyone here. You took his godly advice as a charge against your being and decided to fight back by claiming he said you were not saved which is a complete lie by you.
As I see you and Kathr are working as a unit on another blog against what he said there too, claiming he said something there he didn't on the subject of fornication. If you had read what and to whom he answered to, you would see his messege was correct. Now, you don't like the messenger anymore so you try to attack the messengers credibility.
And here on this blog, Kathr again add's her stupid remarks of Hitler propaganda to support your false claims.
---mary on 3/8/10


-- Alan of UK :

I have invented no lies about him -- Alan

Brother, Although I didn't ask others(like Rob4Him) to evaluate and reveal who misunderstood who & who wasn't Rightly Dividing the Word of what the other said, : Mary & Adetunji did Spiritually evaluate it and came to the same conclusion, that "Nowhere did I say those things" ... which you fabricated ... and that "I was only advising you not to dwell on products of secular intelligence or whatever they call it."

Alan, Why are you apologizing for feeling hurt ?? Instead you should be recognizing that God's Corrective Word is grievous, seeming hostile & offensive, unto him that forsaketh the Way !!
---Shawn.M.T on 3/7/10


Shawn ... You are a master of selective quotation. Have you not seen the apology I posted on that other blog?

"I am sorry and apologise for feeling VERY hurt by what Shawn said.

But I have invented no lies about him ... I have quoted verbatim what he said to me ... and it did hurt mightily

If he is a man of God he will understand that people can be hurt, and he will be edified when he realise how much he hurt me, and will be more careful in the way he expresses himself in the future"

Try to think how your victim may be hurt.
---alam8566_of_uk on 3/7/10


Well, they are going to intelligent themselves right into HELL! Let me tell you people something, here. In HELL all your intelligence, knowledge, power, will do you absolutely NO GOOD. Pride, it stinks to the high heavens. If God chooses a person who is found to be stupid in the eyes of this world, so be it. He or she will be smart in heaven. Let all the others go to hell in all their wisdom and education, and everything that they have here, shall be left here. Oh my God. Pay no attention to these researchers, God knows more. Much more. Talk to Him. Ask Him to save you, and give you answers. Because people don't know too much, my friends. Ahhh.
---catherine on 3/6/10


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-- Alan of UK :

Mary just read the context ... he now tries to explain it away. --Alan, from the thread "How Does One Know God's Will"

Brother, If going from sharing the Meat of God's Word, to giving the Milk of its explanation is explain it away, then SO BE IT !!

... Ask yourself, Did you Spiritually Discern the context of our discussion soberly in the Spirit according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of Faith, like Mary & Adetunji has done by Rightly Dividing the context God's Word was actually spoken, being how I shared it : or were you only pursuing/receiving our discussion as those who foresake the Way, and that's why you found it grievously hostile & offensive??
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/6/10


Alan_of_uk: I consider Shawn's comments spiritual and Biblical. He was only advising you not to dwell on products of secular intelligence or whatever they may call it. Because the world by its wisdom, intelligence, theories and hypothesis did not recognise Jesus Christ as Lord. Their(the world) ways, wisdom, research and all leads to death(not to Christ and eternal life).
---Adetunji on 3/6/10


Alan, that is an interesting study. More intellignet godless people are more monagamous? I wonder who they surveyed?

I heard Penguins are monagamous. I think there are other animals or such that this is true of. And to think an animal can be more intelligent than some humans. It would appear then that a conscience is not required.

Personally, I think this survey may be trying to pointing to a certain group of people who are promiscuous. Kind of like the Hitler propaganda in saying those who are not WASP's are inferior.

Most surveys do have an agenda behind it.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/10


Shawn ... Look at the context in which you told me not to think too highly of myself.

Think what you actually said, brother.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/6/10


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-- Rob4Him :

Brother, I guess I should apologies, since you & only you believe it Wasn't you who made the comment that the Word of Jesus, which I shared with Alan was a bit harsh.--Rod4Him on 3/3/10

It wasn't til after you found out that the Word I imparted to Alan, was actually spoke by Jesus Himself, that you all the sudden also believed it to be compassionate & loving ... Wow Rob4Him ~ What's up with that??

Just part in Peace by excepting the Correction of the Lord's Compassionate Loving Word to tend to the Way of God's Spiritual Kingdom, instead of pursuing the dead things of the world ... as I originally posted and Mary on 3/5/10 gave confirmation to, as you've asked of the Brethren !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 3/6/10


Shawn, this is what you said quote, //Rod4Him [said], that was a bit harsh. What's that about?//

Brother, That's probably about what the man said after Jesus told him the same thing : when he ask to first go attend to the dead things of the world, instead of following & preaching the Kingdom !!// equating yourself with Jesus.

You said that is what man probably said about Jesus. You said it, I didn't.

I said, quote,//I see Jesus speaking in compassion and love. Maybe that's my assumption. You see Jesus speaking harshly. I guess we see what we want to see.//

I also showed you the man probably followed Jesus. You misinterpreted scripture also.

I repeat, you see what you want to see.
---Rod4Him on 3/5/10


-- Alan of UK :

Brother, It's none of those possibilities !!

I shared on 3/4/10 that you'll never prove what is that Good, Acceptable & Perfect Will of God, while you keep viewing yourself by the CONFORMS of the world, b/c Rom.12:3 states we're not to think of ourselves more highly than we ought : but to think SOBERLY, according as God hath dealt.

Alan, You wish to keep viewing & measuring yourselves up-against the dead things of the world, instead of thinking SOBERLY and tending to God's Spiritual Way.

--- Rob4Him :

Brother, It's crystal clear how you felt about the Word of Jesus, that I shared with Alan : when you stated "wow Shawn, that was a bit harsh.--Rod4Him on 3/3/10"
---ShawnM.T. on 3/5/10


Mary, What I originally wrote was: "As for me, since I am both a Christian (and they say I am therefore unintelligent), and monogamous (for which attribute (they say) I need to be intelligent) I can't fall into either of their categories"

Shawn said to me "Don't think more highly of yourself than you ought to think", which is pretty much an accusation that I was so thinking.

In what way could I think myself more highly than I should? Three possibilities:

That I claim to be intelligent ... but I did not .... So it must be either

that I am monogamous, or that

that I am a Christian.

He thus accuses me either of not being a Christian, or of not being monogamous.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/5/10


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Alan, I to be a mediator this time just as you were before.

You now claim that Shawn said you were not saved and that you were not monogamous, and that it was very offensive.
I went back and checked everything he said and nowhere did he say those things. I answered with the hope that you don't say he is speaking lies about you as you claim others do.
That you maybe, just maybe you misinterpret what others say and what he said, which was really to rightly divide the compassionate word, telling you to tend to the Way of God's Spiritual Kingdom, instead of pursuing the dead things of the world.
Are you now attempting to discredit the Word he brings to others?
---mary on 3/5/10


I don't want to appear to take sides, but yes, Shawn, for whatever reason misunderstands people. Consequently, one can not have an intellegent conversation with him.

Sorry for the harshness Shawn, just a confirmation of fact. Readers can evaluate for themselves the common sense of communications.

Shawn, you totally misconstrued what I say.
---Rod4Him on 3/5/10


Shawn ... How you love to misunderstrand people!

My comment was that the study showed that as a Christian, I must be unintelligent, and being monogamous I must be intelligent.

You accuse me of "thinking more highly of yourself than you ought to think"

That means then that you are accusing me either of being not a Christian, or of not being monogamous.

Either of those is offensive.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/5/10


-- Rod4Him :

wow Shawn, that was a bit harsh.--Rod4Him on 3/3/10

Brother, No ~ It was Alan & yourself who heard & PRESUMED the Word of Jesus, I shared, to be a bit harsh & hostile !!

The Word of Jesus in Luke 9:59-60, was Heard & Seen by me as Him speaking with Compassionate Love unto the man He told to follow Him. It's why I shared it with Alan of UK : In Hopes that Alan as well would have ears to Hear the Lord's Rightly Divided Compassionate Word, telling him to tend to the Way of God's Spiritual Kingdom, instead of pursuing the dead things of the world.

Lawrence, Correction is grievous & seems harsh/hostile unto him that forsaketh the Way : So don't be as those who hateth reproof. Pro.15:10
---ShawnM.T. on 3/4/10


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Shawn, when Jesus said, Matt8:22, "Follow me, and allow the dead to bury the dead." The man may have followed Jesus. Luke also relates the same or similar person, and Jesus said, "..."but as for you, go and proclaim everywhere the Kingdom of God." So, it's your assumption that Jesus spoke harshly, and that gives you the right to do likewise based on an assumption.

I see Jesus speaking in compassion and love. Maybe that's my assumption. You see Jesus speaking harshly. I guess we see what we want to see.
---Rod4Him on 3/4/10


-- Rob4Him :

that was a bit harsh. What's that about?

Brother, That's probably about what the man said after Jesus told him the same thing : when he ask to first go attend to the dead things of the world, instead of following & preaching the Kingdom !!


---- Alan of UK :

As for me, since I am ... monogamous for which attribute I need to be intelligent -- Alan

Brother, Don't think more highly of yourself than you ought to think, b/c you'll never prove what is that Good, Acceptable & Perfect Will of God, while you keep viewing yourself by the conforms of the world.

BTW ~ I have no hostilities toward you, though it does sound like you're projecting your hostile intentions on others.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/4/10


wow Shawn, that was a bit harsh. What's that about?

I thought this Christianet was a place where Christians exchange and discuss ideas.

Regarding the blog statement question, there is an anomaly if the research is accurate. I am suspect of most research/surveys because of the subjectivity of the possible questions and the way they could be asked.

However, one thought I had, as an answer, is that spiritual things confound the "worldly wise," but the intellectuals still know staying in a marriage produces a better life style.
---Rod4Him on 3/3/10


Shawn ... Thank you, you have (and I am sure it is inadvertently, bearing in mind your constant hostility to me) made the point I was seeking to draw out.

The study must be skewed, since it made out that the more intelligent were likely to by religious, and also that they, the less religious were the more faithful to their spouses.

As for me, since I am both a Christian (and they say I am therefore unintelligent), and monogamous (for which attribute I need to be intelligent) I can't fall into either ogf their categories.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/3/10


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well scripture tells us that God tends to use things and people that will confound intellectuals,and definitely says that those who say there is no God are fools.I agree.
---tom2 on 3/2/10


-- Alan of UK :

Perhaps you don't think it is a good idea to understand something of how the "world" live and thinks? ... what I shared was not "the secular knowledge of the world" ... Alan

Brother, "All things are lawful unto us, but all things are not helpful" !! 1 Cor.6:12

The intelligence the study spoke of, rejected God : So it wasn't from Spiritual Knowledge nor is it helpful, and any thing that is not Spiritually of the Life in Christ is 'Secular' and of the world's knowledge, still dead in sin.

So Alan, Let the dead bury their dead and don't seek comments about it, when you should be following Christ for Understanding of Life in the Kingdom of God. Luke 9:59-60
---Shawn.M.T on 3/2/10


Shawn ... "Alan, All that you've share here, looking of comment on, is nothing but the secular knowledge of the world"

Well Shawn, although we are not to be "of the world", we do live in it. Perhaps you don't think it is a good idea to understand something of how the "world" live and thinks?

And in any case, you are wrong ... what I shared was not "the secular knowledge of the world" I have shared what a study has suppposedly found, but the results of that study are certainly not knowledge.

I did not intend to give the impression that I accepted the results of the study.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/2/10


The propaganda in this country is geared toward preparing people for tragedy, doomsday or shift in our way of life in general. Much "doomsday, 2012, Cosmic destruction" info in the media and it is by plan. Talk of plagues and even historical documentaries on Christianity(and other religions). Comedians taking shots at Christians and making mockery of the religion. Atheistic views becomming popular and groups rearing up. It is preparing the stage for the Anti-Christ who is just around the corner with persecution of Christian people. We will see many studies skewed to the political agenda as is our media.
---jody on 3/2/10


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Each person is different. So, why each intelligent person is staying with just one person can be different than another intelligent person's reason. Maybe they have more to do in their heads, to keep them busy so one person is enough (c: And they have stuff in their heads to keep them from God, too.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/2/10


The article says that the liberal, atheist, and sexually exclusive are more intelligent on the order of 6 to 11 IQ points. All I can say for that is it sounds like people from a liberal college were used as data subjects. But book smart doesn't make you people smart or anything else. Of course, if you are monogamous it's the intelligent thing to do. You wouldn't have as many unwanted pregnancies and STD's. From a Christian standpoint, the Bible says 1 Corinthians 1:27 "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." So you don't have to be college educated to be wise in God's kingdom.
---steph5837 on 3/2/10


--- Alan of UK :

Brother, The wisdom of this research is clearly not of God's Wisdom which leads unto His Intelligent Understanding of the Word of God's Knowledgeable Higher Thoughts & Ways. So why are you surprised or even concerned with any anomalies that may seem to be there???

We have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God, which things we're also to speak/spread, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches : comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Alan, All that you've share here, looking of comment on, is nothing but the secular knowledge of the world !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 3/2/10


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