The answer is a resounding YES. I have been given the God-given privilege of witnessing what Satan can do to an human-being. Satan loves to attack the mind, and depending on how weak you are he can destroy the mind of an human-being. The body also, can go by the hand of Satan.... Professionals with all of their education do not know these very important things when treating people for depression, anxiety, and such....I did get through high-school, and a little Bible college. yet, I know more than most, because, of the Living, all-knowing God who hallelujah, lives in me. Satan, too, is alive. I have gotten to the point that when I see these important people dicuss matters of the mind on TV, get so sick to my stomach, I want to throw-up! yes.
---catherine on 4/24/10|
In all of their degrees and knowledge they still do not know that there is a devil. Another one of my great callings is preaching and prophesying about Satan, and I just LOVE it....So few are doing it today. Perhaps out of ignorance, or no experience with Satan, I do not know. However, by the power of God, I shall.
---catherine on 4/24/10|
We are expected to help our brothers in Christ, and to an extent - others, but we are not to entertain Antichrist(s), deceivers, and demons *1. Devils may appear to have a form, and some (familiar spirits) can do an imitation of a person. But they do not have a physical body, and that's why they desire to posses people, Matthew 8:29-33, Mark 5:8-14, Luke 8:31-33.
Arnica: God offers you liberty and salvation through receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (who paid the price through his death on the cross) *2.
*1 Matthew 10:11-13, 40-42, 25:34-40, Romans 12:13, Hebrews 13:2, 1Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:8, 1Peter 4:9, 2John 1:9-11.
*2 John 10:10-11, 2Corinthians 2:11, 2Timothy 2:25-26, Hebrews 2:14-16, James 4:7, 1Peter 5:8-9.
---Glenn on 4/23/10|
arnica, this sounds to me more likely a very badly behaved boy who was old enough to know better, and possibly there was a lively imagination on your part.
---Cluny on 4/23/10|
Last summer me and my sister were on our way to work sitting in the bus. We were wearing our working clothes, we were doing household in a monestary, but the clothes looked like nursing clothes. They were very white. Suddenly after sitting 10 min in the bus this lil boy comes is with his friend. They were around the age of 11. So the boy started to suddenly attacking me and my sisters, making fun of us saying that it is not halloween.I really had an bad feeling around him, sudden he turns his head around and looked at me straight to my eyes. And he letted me know that he was a demon! I didnt know HOW he did that, but i knew. He had no fear to intimidate us whatsoever. He had the ability to let me know.
---arnica on 4/23/10|
\\Demons can cause a person to take a form of Satan. This, I have witnessed.
---catherine on 3/17/1\\
How does it happen that you know so much about the forms of satan, catherine?
I don't want such intimate knowledge about the deep things of evil, myself.
---Cluny on 4/23/10|
Steveng -2Ti 2:5 An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.
Competition can be good as long as it improves ones skills.
I compete with others so that I may improve my skills and be found to be of more use to His church than those who know far less and have far less training.
And we must compete according to the rules -one being to be fair in what we do in competing with others.
And how very much do I love to be at the top of the class. True it is hard to be humble with you are the best.
---Lee1538 on 3/20/10|
Lee1538: "1Co 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it.
And there is nothing wrong with being competitive as long as we continue to show love one toward another."
Do you even understand that verse you quoted? You're comparing apples and oranges. Read the whole chapter, without the verse numbers if you can, and you'll have a completely different interpretation. competition in christiandom is bad. This is where bickering among christians come from. This is where a plethora of denominations come from. Competition creates division and there is no division within the true church of Christ.
---Steveng on 3/20/10|
StevenG//Christ's true church is not competitive.
People are by nature competitive and such is those that make up His church. I can only agree with you that we as Christians have a responsibility one to another but like any family we compete with each other.
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it.
And there is nothing wrong with being competitive as long as we continue to show love one toward another.
---Lee1538 on 3/19/10|
Lee1538: "Yes, Christians do bicker among themselves, but the church has always been a competitive environment."
Christ's true church is not competitive. I have compiled a list of verses for those of you who want verses to prove that what I say is truth:
1 Corinthians 1:9-10
2 Corinthians 8:4
1 Corinthians 12:18-27
1 Peter 3:8-9
1 Corinthians 3:3-9
Also do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "comfort."
---Steveng on 3/18/10|
Lee, I forgot to also say, I do believe Steven G is a believer. Never had any doubts. It is our duty to answer brothers or sisters when they condemn all churches, all people that teach, because everyone who reads scripture needs some help. When a believer has a passion to learn, the Spirit will open more avenues for us to learn. We are blessed because we have everything avaluable to us that many in the church history never had, and we are without excuse.
---MarkV. on 3/18/10|
Lee, books and material out there do not need numbers or chapters. The books and material are already set in order.
If we would take a bible the way it already is, in order, and removed the numbers and chapters will be the same as any novel. The only problem you would have is when you want reference the context you are reading with another. You knew you read it before, but it would be hard to find it without going back and searching for it.
What Steven speaking of, is that all the manuscripts taken that make up the Bible, and try to read God's Word without knowing what come next to a given sentence, it would take a life time to know what would be next. The whole idea is dumb. We are blessed we have it easy now.
---MarkV. on 3/17/10|
StevenG - I find nothing wrong with disagreeing on issues that are clearly peripheral in nature.
No, I view you as a genuine Christian,however, there may be a question here of maturity as a Christian that you need to evaluate for yourself.
Yes, Christians do bicker among themselves, but the church has always been a competitive environment.
What you need to understand is some criticism can be constructive and you should welcome it.
Pr 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another.
And if the criticism comes from those who have your best interest, you should welcome it and determine if it is helpful to your spirituality and if not simply to disregard it.
---Lee1538 on 3/17/10|
Lee1538: "Then you should both agree to disagree on some issues and simply go on to some other topic."
Such worldly logic, for sure. Is that how you live the bible - to agree with some things and disregard the rest? God forbid.
Lee1538: "Otherwise you simply waste each others time."
Is it a waste of time to bring knowledge and wisdom to people who don't understand? Would you leave a person hanging without giving full knowledge? God forbid.
---Steveng on 3/17/10|
Lee1538: "if you were to go to church and listen to the sermons that expound on what the Bible says."
Today's christians have the wrong idea about what a church is. They bicker among each other saying, "Our church is better," "Our church has more members," "Our pastor is better," Our church has better programs," "Our church has better entertainment," " Our church has the truth," and the sayings go on and on. Gosh, they even bicker within the same denominations.
The body of Christ IS the church - not a building, non-profit corporation or a denomination having its own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible.
---Steveng on 3/17/10|
Lee1538: "Sorry to learn that you have had unfavorable experiences with churches..., Seek the fellowship of other Christian as God will speak to you thru them."
You make it sound like I'm not a christian. "Unfavorable experiences?" Yes, but even Jesus went through some unfavorable experiences including chastising the seven churches in Revelation. (Note: the seven churches are not denominations, but locations of groups of christians) I have crossed North America a few times and have been asked helped many denominational "churches" to create and develop ESL classes, bible classes, and youth services. But because I would not conform to their teachings, but only to the bible, my time spent was short.
---Steveng on 3/17/10|
MarkV - If I am correct, the GNB and the Readers Digest Bible do not have the chapter & verse structure.
There are some on this forum that had very negative & hurtful experiences with some in the churches.
I had problems with some that later were found to be false teachers or false prophets. One such pastor reminds me of trav and Paul9594 in that he also constantly criticized and insulted others for not living up to some manmade standard.He left the ministry after a moral failure.
Sooner if not later, false prophets & teachers are revealed for what they are as the Lord weeds them out of His church.
Only time will heal StevenG problem. We need to bless him and not harm him more.
---Lee1538 on 3/17/10|
Demons can cause a person to take a form of Satan. This, I have witnessed.
---catherine on 3/17/10|
Brother Lee, I have written my last response to Steven G, concerning reading a Bible with no numbers and chapters. That was a good one. I think, "if I was reading, "Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The Works that I do in My Fathers name, they bear witness of Me" Then I would have to go through all the mixed sentences and find out what went next. It would take a guy like me a life time. I would not even know what the context was, or whether they could hear Jesus words. Enough with a Bible without chapters or verses. Just nonesense.
And most of all tell everyone not to go to Church. The body of Christ is the Church. Whether a small body of visible members or a large body of true believers.
---MarkV. on 3/17/10|
Steven G, many people have helped me out with the Bible and how to interpret the Bible. Great man that God gifted to do just that for anyone who is willing to learn. You complain just like others, yet most of what you have learned you got it from the Bible and other sources. No getting away from that. In fact all you said you do many do also. They just don't only read the Bible but also look for information that can help them that they might not understand so they ask or read it from someone. It was nice giving you my opinion and thanks for yours.
---MarkV. on 3/17/10|
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StevenG - I have greatly benefited from using a good study Bible with as many annotations as possible. There is simply no way one can have much understanding of the Old Testament without some reference to its historical setting and customs of that day.
However, you do just fine in reading the King James Bible if you were to go to church and listen to the sermons that expound on what the Bible says. If you do not like churches, then I would suggest that you take advantage of the many radio or TV programs in which those called of God expound on His word.
Sorry to learn that you have had unfavorable experiences with churches, but that is what we all have had. Seek the fellowship of other Christian as God will speak to you thru them.
---Lee1538 on 3/16/10|
Steveng//MarkV, your mind is stuck in an never ending loop against me.
Then you should both agree to disagree on some issues and simply go on to some other topic.
Otherwise you simply waste each others time.
---Lee1538 on 3/16/10|
MarkV, your mind is stuck in an never ending loop against me. I DO NOT send people to websites that have concordances, novels, christian dictionaries, and other christian reference materials. Many christians do not have searchable KJV bibles on their computers so I point to websites that do.
An example: I tell people that living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestlye - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches." I then suggest key words to search the KJV bible ONLY (NOT christian reference materials) for words such as "one another," "each other," and "comfort." I use the KJV bible as its own reference.
If you do not understand now maybe someone can help MarkV out.
---Steveng on 3/16/10|
Steven G, you say to read at face value what you say and so I did. If you have to go to some source to read a word that is in found in Scripture, you are using other sources. People today do that all the time. They get books or wordstudy Bible's with Heb. and Grk, so they can know what the words are in Scripture. Those are tools that a believer can use to know each word in Scripture and what it meant in that language or today. If you have no idea what sanctification is, and many don't they can look it up. What is the difference if you send them to a website? No difference at all. You tell us it's wrong and you do what you think is wrong.
---MarkV. on 3/16/10|
MarkV: "You don't agree for anyone to read other material to learn, but you can by sending them to websites to learn. It's ok for you to do that but not for anyone else."
You still did not understand me. Why do you keep insisting that I send people to other websites. I do not send people to other websites of websites that is in your mind - general websites of concordances, author's opinions, novels, other christian reference websites. I send people to a website that has an online KJV bible having search capability so that they may search the KJV bible using certain key words that I suggest to show whether what I say is the truth. I use the bible as its own reference. Read my posts at face value not what you think it reads.
---Steveng on 3/15/10|
In answer to the question on Hebrews 13:2, first we are told to be a good neighbor to everyone for we might be entertaining the Lord or His angels and not know we are. For it happened to Abraham and Sarah in Gen. 18:1-3, Lot, Gen. 19:1,2, Gideon in Judges 6:11-24, and Manoah in Judges 13:6-20, but they did realize it was either the Lord or the angels from God.
Can demons also take human form? The helpers of satan can posess human bodies, and animals bodies. And you can entertain them if you are not careful. Many do and do not realize they are listening to them. When evil comes out of them you know they had entertain the evil ones.
---MarkV. on 3/15/10|
Rod4him, thank you for making it clear to me that you just wanted us to not go at each other. It convicted my heart to apologize to Steven G. I should have never said what I did. No one deserves to be called a fool, and I should have known that myself. Again, thanks for correcting me. I was wrong that you had another intention in mind also, so please forgive me for my wrong thoughts. Peace I bring.
---MarkV. on 3/15/10|
Steven G, I believe when you called me a fool, it was alright, but when I called you a fool, it was very very wrong. So I want to apologize for calling you a fool. You are not a fool. In my opinion you are wrong in many things and I believe when you answer someone, you are expecting them to answer back. So I do.
You don't agree with the visible Church of Christ.
You don't believe anyone can be believed because you only tell the Truth in small groups.
You don't agree for anyone to read other material to learn, but you can by sending them to websites to learn. It's ok for you to do that but not for anyone else.
But again, you are not a fool. I really apologize again.
---MarkV. on 3/14/10|
Rod4him, first, I do answer StevenG many times. In me I don't see a problem. He did call me a fool and I did back to him. I could have just let it go and maybe I should have. Now I am sorry I called him a fool. In my opinion he is wrong.
But I'm not touchy about doctrines Rod. I love to discuss them. What I don't like is when they cannot find truth from Scripture to give back, they throw their opinions and call you names. And that is what has happened from one group, and will happen so long as I put the Truth out with Scripture. This discussion with Steven or not about Scripture Truth but opinions.
I don't mind at all you questioning me on any doctrine. If I don't know I will tell you. I'm weak in some area's and strong in many others.
---MarkV. on 3/14/10|
Concerning numbers and chapters, in response to your opinion that you posted,
My comment you may not have agreed with was my acknowledgement that chapter and verse can distract from the context of a passage. However, I think you would agree with keeping understanding of scripture in context." My opinion is that there is no way you can know the context of a passage unless you know what came before and after a passage. And if you don't know, how can you read the context of the passage? If no numbers of passages or chapters are given, and they are all mixed without numbers on passages or chapters, it will take you a life time to know what the context is of one passage.
You gave your opinion and I have given mine.
---MarkV. on 3/14/10|
MarkV, Steveng called you a fool, and you called Steveng a fool. That is more than a disagreement. And we both know what the Bible says about calling a person a fool.
I dislike seeing brothers at each other rather than discussing issues.
Obviously, I was right about being concerned about stirring something up, and I stated so up front. I know how sensitive you are to comments that don't exactly agree with you.
My comment you may not have agreed with was my acknowledgement that chapter and verse can distract from the context of a passage. However, I think you would agree with keeping understanding of scripture in context.
If you don't want to have a brotherly interaction with me, say so. I can accommodate.
---Rod4Him on 3/14/10|
Rod4him, yes, you didn't make yourself clear. You wanted to intevene not because of Steven G. and I with a peace treaty, but it was something about me. I saw that on another blog. I can discern that very well.
Maybe you dislike how I approach others and it kind of bothers you. You have questioned me how I knew what I said was the Truth. Have you found anything concerning Scripture that I spoke of that was not? You could have ask me, I don't mind. In fact I love to answer.
But I think there is more then meets the eye to your answer. You wanted to make a statement to me, you just didn't know how. You were even worried you might stir up something. Yet, still made your statement. Ask, I won't get mad. I will answer as kindly as I can.
---MarkV. on 3/13/10|
MarkV, apparently I didn't make myself clear. Yes, Jesus and others quoted the Old Testament very often, as you say giving credibility to those passages quoted. However, when they quoted those passages, they didn't say exactly, chapter and verse, when the quote came from.
---Rod4Him on 3/12/10|
Rod4him, First of all, no peace is needed between Steven G and myself. I don't agree with him and he doesn't agree with me. Simple as that. Then you say you don't see Jesus quoting chapter and verse or any other biblical writers but you are wrong. In fact Jesus use more references then anyone else concerning biblical writers and events from the Old T.. Quoted Abel Lk. 11:51, Noah Matth. 24:37-39, Abraham Jn. 8:50, Sodom and Gomorrah Mt. 10:15, 11:23,24, Luke 10:12, Moses Mtt. 8:4, Zechariah, Luke 11:51, Isaac and Jacob Mtt. 8:11, Etc.
He even sets His stamp of approval on passages in Genesis 1 and 2 (Matt. 19:4,5, Mk. 10:6-8 Without Jesus mentioning those references it would take a person a lifetime to find what He was talking about
---MarkV. on 3/12/10|
There is a Proverb that says (paraphrase) not to stick your nose in someone else's disagreement lest you get a bloody nose, something like that. However, the Bible says to be a peace maker. I'll try being the peace maker.
There is truth to each opinion between MarkV and Steveng.
One doesn't find Jesus quoting chapter and verse, or any other Bibilcal writers. However, context, context, context is vitally important.
Although I like chapter and verse, it can lead to taking verses out of context. And it seems to puff some up with quoting chapter and verse rather than the content being the most important.
Maybe I am just not good at chapter/verse, but more able to recall the concept in the passage.
---Rod4Him on 3/12/10|
Steven G, your a good person who wants to give us your insights on, not going to a church because they are of satan you said once, which really make everyone following satan but you. Then you don't really like the Bible the way it is, you suggest to remove the numbers and chapters because it is confusing, but you forget that context means everything and if you take the passages and scramble them, it will take you years to find the meaning of one passage. You suggest not to read any material and sent everyone to look for words in the internet to learn something from Scripture. Are you confused? I love you brother but you have to think about what you are saying before you say it.
---MarkV. on 3/12/10|
StevenG, you are the fool, There is nothing wrong with the Bible, but something very wrong in the person who reads it, like you. Let's take your case, you said,
"...Angels have ears to hear, mouths to speak, hands to hold things, eyes to see. Man is made in their image. Do an online KJV bible search for "angel" found at biblegateway dot com. and read, in context, all that is readable. ---Steveng on 3/4/10"
Here you state that man was made in the image of the angels. The Bible says we were made in the image of God. You say," do not use any material but the Bible," and here you send everyone to the internet to know what Scripture says. You are speaking with a fork tongue Steven G
---MarkV. on 3/11/10|
MarkV: "Steven G, ...That is why I said that you have all the answers."
Again, you are a fool. No, I myself don't have all the answers, but God does. Many christians who have a close relationship with God can find any answer to any question. Just because you don't believe that many people have all the answers, it doesn't mean that there are people who do. No, I'm not the only one. If you don't believe that God gives any answer to any question you may ask, then you only believe the existance of God, but deny his power. Without God, I am nothing. "I am his minister as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God." Proverbs 10:14, Proverbs 14:6, 1 Corinthians 12:8, 2 Corinthians 6:3-10, Proverbs 2,
---Steveng on 3/10/10|
Steven G, so what you are saying is that everyone is confused but not you. Is that correct? That is why I said that you have all the answers. And you didn't tell me if you had a Bible with no numbers or chapters. Talking mean's nothing when you yourself do not do what you say. Look, you don't think anyone knows anything but you, that no Church is good enough because you have judged them all already. I don't know if you have gone to 1,000 of them like someone else here said they did to know that, but from where you stand they are all bad. The Bible is bad, the People are bad, and the churches are bad. You see, you have all the answers.
---MarkV. on 3/10/10|
MarkV: "Steven G, there is no answering you with the right answer since you have an answer to all answers."
God has ALL the answers in which he gives them out freely to all who ask.
MarkV: "...take all the chapters and verses out? And mix them..."
You are such a fool, MarkV. Just by what you write tells me your mind is a little lopsided. Why would I confuse christians even more than they are now by jumbling all the chapters and verses?
---Steveng on 3/9/10|
\\Yes, I know that one is named Michelle, and another is John, and another is Kioke, and another is...et cetera\\
According to the Holy Gospels, even Jesus Himself had to ask demons their names, and even then He didn't get a straight answer.
How does it happen that you are on a first name basis with so many demons, Eloy?
---Cluny on 3/9/10|
Steven G, there is no answering you with the right answer since you have an answer to all answers. So why don't you use the Bible with no numbers and chapters? Is it because you cannot find one? So what are you going to do? Are you going to rewrite a Bible yourself and take all the chapters and verses out? And mix them so that you don't cheat. Good for you, go ahead and have at it. Then you can say, I have one myself, it's better to understand this way, it is better then all those which were written with numbers and chapters before you came along to proof your point. I challenge you to do so.
---MarkV. on 3/9/10|
Yes, ignore the Chapter and verse numbers when reading. Sometime a sentence is broken in half by verse numbers. It helps that some Bibles are printed in paragraph form with the Chap. and verse numbers printed as tiny superscripts.
But we need the numbers. How would you tell someone where they could find, for example, Jesus' teaching on taxes? "Well..., about 5/7 of the way through Matthew, shortly after the parable of the wedding feast but before the pharesees question Christ about wives in Heaven....
---Donna66 on 3/8/10|
MarkV: "If "you" took all the numbers out of the Bible and scattered all the Scriptures without numbers, you might be able to figure what comes next only because you have already read the Bible the way the Bereans wrote it, in order. And then again, you might not."
Bereans received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things that Paul was preaching were so and many of them believed. The Bereans did not write the bible. Scripture already existed and written in order, the new testament didn't exist. If the Bereans, and the millions of other people until the 1500s, could search the scriptures without verse numbers then you can, too.
---Steveng on 3/8/10|
Demons appear as whatever they take control of. perhaps they don't have to "change" form. What "form" do demons have otherwise, if they are not inhabiting something or someone? People imagine many things about how demons look but the Bible does not tell us.
Being under the control of Satan the father of lies, demons can even appear to be something gentle and good. Most of the time, spiritual discernment is the only way to identify an angel or a demon.
---Donna66 on 3/7/10|
Yes, I know that one is named Michelle, and another is John, and another is Kioke, and another is...et cetera. And these will be thrown into everlasting hell fire and brimstone for torment and the smoke of their torment will ascend up forever and ever, and they will have no rest day nor night, and their worm will not die, but they will have weeping and gnashing of teeth for all the wickedness of their doings.
---Eloy on 3/7/10|
StevenG, we are blessed because we have all the facts, all the help, through those like the Bereans, who were guided by the Holy Spirit to bring Scripture in an orderly manner. In fact, we have not excuse.
We don't have to do that when we write a letter because we put it in order to begin with. You should know that. We start with, "Hello" and how are you doing." Then we work from there to the end of the letter. If "you" took all the numbers out of the Bible and scattered all the Scriptures without numbers, you might be able to figure what comes next only because you have already read the Bible the way the Bereans wrote it, in order. And then again, you might not.
---MarkV. on 3/6/10|
Hebrews 13:2 tells us that strangers we entertain might be angels. Can demons also take human form?
There is no record of any demon having taken human form.
The modus operandi (method: a way of doing something) of demons has been to possess a human being to whom they would work through. Thus really no need to take on human form.
Demonic possession is usually evidenced by teachings that would create divisions within God's household,and in many cases mental illness and/or other health problems.
---Lee1538 on 3/5/10|
Steveng: "It's amazing how verse numbers can create confusion. Verse numbers didn't exist until the fifth century."
My mistake. Verse numbers were introduced in the fifteenth century - five hundred years ago. If the Bereans could search the scriptures without verse numbers so can today's christians. Christians would better understand scripture without verse numbers because they are forced to read it within the context they are written. Christians today read the bible and at the same time they try to analyze every verse as they read.
Do you write verse numbers to letters you write to family and friends?
---Steveng on 3/5/10|
Steven G, I agree with you on the angels, in fact we are told we could have intertained an angel and not known about it. But I disagree with the bible not been numbered. If you had the original manuscripts you would not know where to start and where to end, or what followed what. We are blessed that godly man put them in order for us so that we could understand what followed what.
I agree with you about the gap theory after a long time studying what is available to us in the words given, we do not have any solid proof in words to say that there was inhabitants before Adam and Eve. Concerning the flood we could say that when the world was created, it was a water covered surface before the dry land emerge (1:9,10).
---MarkV. on 3/5/10|
It's amazing how verse numbers can create confusion. Verse numbers didn't exist until the fifth century. Try reading the bible without verse numbers, you'll get a completely different perspective of God's word.
As for the gap theory, read the two verses people imagine as a gap, without verse numbers. Oh, and by the way, define the word "and" before you read the verses.
As for angels, many people in the bible saw angels who took the form of man - one man even wrestled with an angel. Angels have ears to hear, mouths to speak, hands to hold things, eyes to see. Man is made in their image. Do an online KJV bible search for "angel" found at biblegateway dot com. and read, in context, all that is readable.
---Steveng on 3/4/10|
It's sad how a misinterpretation of a couple words in a few verses can lead to another universe and time. Oh the imagination of man especially when fueled by theory without sustantial evidence.
2Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ,
Eph 4:14-15 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:
It is hard for us to realize and admit we have been deceived.
---MIchael on 3/4/10|
Only with permission from God. Celestial beings to not have visible bodies. Fallen angels do quite well moving men toward evil by first the mind and then total occupation such as Satan himself did with Hitler, trying as Nebuchadnezzer, to destroy the Jew once and for all. No physical appearance necessary.
The appearance of angels does not fit a consistent discription throughout scripture. To Abraham they were normal looking men but in many other cases Angels evoked great fear and often arrived saying "do not be afraid".
They are not chubby blond babies with wings or females of any age.
---larry on 3/4/10|
Mima #2, I don't know why you took our answers wrong. You said it was pointless. You didn't even give us time to research what you were saying. You have to be patient Mima. When you write something I myself have to look things up and not just answer. With your help on the gap theory we could go forwared. Also concerning Genesis 6:4 Lee is correct and also Ignalius, there is two interpretations to the angels or demons in Jude. But nothing really positive to where we could say, here it is. Thanks for sharing with us.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10|
Mima, I have read about the gap theory. In the Scolfield Bible it maintains that the condition of the earth in verse two is the result of judgment, and therefore interprets the verb "Hayah" as "became." My wordstudy Bible says that the Hebrew construction of verse two is often misunderstood because of this rendering. These words are found only in a few other places (Isa. 34:11, 45:18, Jer.4:23) They do not describe chaos, but rather emptiness. A better translation would be "unformed and unfilled."
The word replenish is the correct word for v.28 just as you said. And speaking of this things and sharing is not bad. It is discussing godly matters.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10|
---MIchael my beliefs came from a study of the gap theory which I am sure you are familiar with. Both my belief about replenishing the earth and there being two floods came out of Genesis and presented themselves as proofs that the gap theory is true.
I do not believe Almighty God created a void, but if he did he still used water too totally cover the earth and thereby giving us the first flood.
I'm not trying to influence anyone to accept my beliefs I am merely stating what I believe.
Also(I feel certain controversy will raise its head here) I did not use the term human to describe the beings before Adam and Eve.
---mima on 3/4/10|
Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Some would believe that the sons of God were descendents of Seth, the daughters of men were those from the line of Cain because angels are considered sexless.
The other position is that demons co-habited with women and create an evil line.(incubus?)
While both views have some support in Scripture, the latter view simply says that evil is hereditary instead of being an acquired trait.
If I were a gambler, I would bet the former view as it is questionable if God would permit demons to breed with His creation without permission.
---Lee1538 on 3/4/10|
'replenish' is from the word "male'".
It is translated 'replenish' 7 times in the Bible.
It it translated 'fill' 107 times.
same word used as 'fill' in Gen 1:22
Do you have any other verses in the Bible that you interpret to support your 'renewed' earth theory?
Also the 2 flood theory, any other verses that can be interpreted to support your view?
Did you come up with these theories on your own or did someone tell you about them and you believed?
---MIchael on 3/4/10|
Genesis 1:27-28," 27-So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
28-And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Adam and Eve were told to replenish the earth.
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
First flood occurred between verse 1 and 2
---mima on 3/4/10|
//Before the void and ruminations of God's creation Satan fell to Earth and captured the inhabitants thereof and they later became a disembodied spirits we call demons.
Doubtful but you may be correct.
I was always taught demons were simply fallen angels - part of God's creation prior to the creation of the earth, not disembodied spirits.
Some believe the dead becomes ministering angels to help us in this life.
Hebrew 1:14 Are they (angels) not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?
I once has an office mate believing he could speak to his guardian angel for guidance and quoted this verse.
I guess that access to Jesus for him was not available.
---Lee1538 on 3/4/10|
Mima, yes, thanks to CN for allowing us to speak. I to believe Jude 1:6 as fallen angels. That is not a problem, and I believe by Scripture as Ignatius that they represent those in Genesis 6:1-4. Now that is one interpretation from Scripture but what you said about another flood and inhabitants living on earth before Genesis 1:2. None are found in the Bible. We do know that satan fell from heaven that is scriptural, but where does it say humans became disembodied spirits that turned to demons? What Bible are you reading? And you did not mentioned where you got Replenish the earth. Don't you think you are adding to the Word of God here big time? I only hope this is not a part of the gospel you give.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10|
To---Ignatius and---MarkV attempting to explain my belief to you would be pointless(as far as convincing you is concerned) but I will show you Scripture that if you're interested you could read.
The Angels in Jude 1:6 are the Angels took wives by daughters of men.
There has actually been two floods. We have Noah's flood and before that we have a whole world covered with water, after it had been created good.
Before the void and ruminations of God's creation Satan fell to Earth and captured the inhabitants thereof and they later became a disembodied spirits we call demons.
Don't you just love Christianet were a multitude of ideas can be expressed. I thank God for Christianet.
---mima on 3/4/10|
WOW! Boy.....are you misguided mima! Where did you get this man-made tradition from? By the way, The Scriptures you gave does not teach what you are imposing (Gen 1).
The Scriptures that speaks of fallen angels being bound with chains can be interpreted several ways. Some, following the opinions of several Early Church Fathers, such as Saint Justin Martyr, and a Ancient Jewish tradition, connect Genesis 6:1-4 (in this case, Sons of God are Angels) with what Saints Peter/Jude wrote (these Angels sinned and was bound in lower regions of Hades). Such interpretation has several strong points, and this is the interpretation I follow.
---Ignatius on 3/3/10|
Mima, you gave quit a response on the answer of demons. And even gave an interpretation that I don't even have on my KJV, NIV's, NKJV, ASV or even in the New World Translation Bible of the witnessess. I have not looked in the Book of Mormon.
Where do you get your interpretation of Gen. 1:28 and how by your word "replenish" which word I cannot find, do you take it was demons or angels God was talking about if it had that word in verse 28?
you said you were happy she ask, I hope you are happy I ask, you might have a great answer that I don't know about.
---MarkV. on 3/3/10|
No Donna I do not believe demons are in chains right now. I believe the fallen angels are in chains right now.
I do not believe the demons that are tormenting mankind are fallen Angels.
Where do I believe the demons came from if not from fallen Angels? I am happy you asked.
I believe the demons are the disembodied spirits of those who existed on Earth before the coming of Adam and Eve. I based this belief on these statement from God.
27-So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
28-And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. To replenish means to refill.
---mima on 3/3/10|
mi ma, your response indicates that demons are in chains right now...am I correct?
Well then how did or why did Jesus cast seven demons out of the woman caught in adultery?
What about in Luke when he asked the demons, what is your name? And they said, "Legion for we are many." Then they asked to go into the herd of pigs.
Demons are roaming around on this earth seeking whom they may devour. They can embody a person when a person decides to sin, unforgiveness, bitterness, resentment, adultery, fornication, all attract demons to your life and can enter your being because you are in sin.
---Donna on 3/3/10|
Friendly blogger you wrote,"As demons are fallen angles they would have the same innate abilities for evil as The Angles loyal to God have for good."
Does your statement conflict with Jude 1:6
" And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
---mima on 3/3/10|
Satan's spirits are very nasty and horrible beings. And they have emotions that they can get into us, dominating and cruel and *dictatorial*, driving, forcing emotions to degrade and make us do what Satan wants us to do for *pleasures*. Through our bodies, Satan's spirits can try to use pleasures to ease their awful feelings of the nasty lonely bored filth of Satan's spirit (Ephesians 2:2). So, the real danger is not what they might do *to* you, but how they can share with us their emotions. But "He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." (in 1 John 4:4) And the beauty of God's love is "incorruptible" (1 Peter 3:4), giving us His almighty immunity against Satan's sinsick passions and reacting.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/3/10|
No, but they can enter into your body and mind and dwell within your being if you allow your mind to take on negative and bad thoughts knowing or unknowingly.
---Carla on 3/3/10|
As demons are fallen angles they would have the same innate abilities for evil as The Angles loyal to God have for good.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/3/10|