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Hey, Luke could have been a Samaritan.
How about that one!
---John on 3/31/10

From Samaria? Sincerely interested in your research on this.
---Trav on 3/31/10

NONE. Just Joking Trav
---John on 3/31/10


Hey, Luke could have been a Samaritan.
How about that one!
---John on 3/31/10

From Samaria? Sincerely interested in your research on this.
---Trav on 3/31/10


MarkV. on 3/19/10... (Luke).. many years ago I heard he was a gentile,.....mainly based on tradition,as well if it can't be backed by scripture, why mention it? I see more scripture against than for him being a gentile.
---michael_e on 3/19/10

Much more against. Woman at well of Samaria,her father "Jacob", dug the well. She as one of the Lost Sheep of the Divorced Nth House of Israel, "Sheep found" here.
John 4:12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well,
Luke 22:30That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Rev 21:12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates...
Kinda concludes .
---Trav on 3/31/10


Hey, Luke could have been a Samaritan.
How about that one!
---John on 3/31/10


Isaiah, is my very favorite. In studying I see several scriptures to look up if Isaiah is among them I will go there first, everytime.
---catherine on 3/31/10




"But, we have people here who would argue about the color of the apostle Peter's eyes and base some doctrine on it." (Donna)

LOL! And then there are some who will argue if Jesus was white or black, as if it matters......And I have witness such silly debates.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/27/10


LOL Donna66!

Hmm? I'm think Pauls eyes were Blue.

BTW. I love all your posts and I have learned a lot from many of them.
---John on 3/27/10


John -- Idle cafe conversation almost NEVER stays that way on these blogs. I think it's an interesting question but that's all.

But, we have people here who would argue about the color of the apostle Peter's eyes and base some doctrine on it. Some people just seem to LIKE an argument, no matter the importance of the topic.
---Donna66 on 3/27/10


Does it matter who or what Luke was?
---Warwick on 3/25/10

Not really, I was just having an idle Cafe conversation.

I came back to look at these posts and somehow it became to a serious arguement.

Here is something I thought about....

Lets say he was a Gentile. Then it would make sense that G-d would add a gospel and The History book of the New Covenant(Acts) to be written by a Gentile and included in the NT as a Testament to the New Covenant of the Gentiles.

Does that make sense?

Its just a gut feeling, but maybe its the truth.
---John on 3/27/10


Warwick, you have a very good point. There is so many things we could speculate that maybe is fun, but in the end it is only speculation, nothing more then he said one thing an another said something else.
When it comes to foundamental sections of Scripture then it is important for it is written and what we have to do is present God's word to make the case. Of course many passages are implicit, which means, seems to suggest this or that, but the explicit passages make it clear it is fact. Now that is important to know.
---MarkV. on 3/25/10




When some write in defence of foundational sections of the Bible (e.g. the early chapters of Genesis which are the foundation of the gospel) someone always bobs up saying it doesn't matter.

Now here is a debate, which though maybe interesting, surely does not matter at all, and the 'it doesn't matter' brigade is silent? Maybe they think only foundational issues don't matter?

Isn't it far far more vital that we share the gospel and defend the truth of His word against those who would tear it down? Does it matter who or what Luke was?
---Warwick on 3/25/10


Worth repeating:
Michael e, here is a good example of what I meant about speculations concerning whether Luke was a Gentle or not,

" believe the RCC needed to have Luke as a Gentile to promote their own false religion concerning setting up a bogus false Priesthood, and having a GENTILE head much like OT Israel."

Quoted by Kathr. She has her own speculations about the RCC all because she does not believe he was a Gentle. That is why it is no good to speculate and maybe bring false witness about someone. The RCC has enough wrongs written in history. We don't need to make things up which are not true.
---MarkV. on 3/20/10
---MarkV. on 3/23/10


"Paul says Luke the Beloved Physician, some automatically conclude he was a gentile. Why?" (Kathr)

True, but for some reason, when Saint Luke in His Gospel shows knowledge of the Temple, some automatically conclude he was a Jew. Why? It is quite likely He, being a Historian, spoke to the original Apostles, Saint Paul, the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, etc.

"Only through TRADITION.....WHO's tradition ?"

Not the RCC. It did not came from the Roman Church, as the Eastern Christians believed He was a Gentile in the first generations of Christianity.

And besides, that he was a Jew, is that not YOUR tradition? Holy Scriptures does not say he was Jew or a Gentile. Makes no difference to me.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/22/10


\\Mary and the 12 disciples, law abiding Jews, even speaking to Luke if he was a a gentile, not likely. Ref peter Acts 10 \\

I agree with Cluny.

These were Christian Jews and have already accepted that the covenant was extended to the Gentiles.

So Luke could have very well been a Gentile and talked to Mary as a brother in Christ.
---John on 3/22/10


Let us not forget that there is no difference in Jew and Gentile who has taken the ways of the Hebrew GOD.NONE, we are the same who are circumcised in the heart and take Yeshua (Jesus) as the Saviour. We are the people of GOD, or Israelites. So at this stage in Luke's life, no matter what he was born as, was an Israelite. This is were most do err!!

My most enjoyable books to read is John in the NT and Isaiah in the OT, but I have no true favorite. I enjoy them all for different reasons.

Peace Be With You
---Ed on 3/22/10


\\Mary and the 12 disciples, law abiding Jews, even speaking to Luke if he was a a gentile, not likely. Ref peter Acts 10 \\

Oh, it's quite likely that they spoke to Gentiles.

Jesus spoke to the Canaanite women, the Centurion, the people in Decapolis, the Samaritan woman, and Pontius Pilate, all of whom were gentiles.
---Cluny on 3/22/10


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Kath4451...Were there no Jewish Doctors?

there must have been Jewish doctors

---

Luke 8:43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon PHYSICIANS, neither could be healed of any,(KJV)
---michael_e on 3/20/10

michael_e, my point exactly, the woman was the daughter of who? A devout Jew attending the temple. Were devout Jews allowed to go to gentile doctors? I don't believe so.

But for some reason, when Paul says Luke the Beloved Physician, some automatically conclude he was a gentile. Why?

Justus "of the circumcision" Paul's way of identifying those from the Jewish counsel in Jerusalem.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/10


\\Luke's intimate knowledge of Mary lends to the belief he was a jew

Luke knowledge of the Temple Lends to him being a Jew\\

Non sequitur. It does not follow.

\\" believe the RCC needed to have Luke as a Gentile to promote their own false religion concerning setting up a bogus false Priesthood, and having a GENTILE head much like OT Israel."\\

Aside from OT Israel never having a Gentile head, it is also the tradition of Apostolic churches separated by hundreds of miles and hundreds of years from Rome (if there were ever any communication between them) that Luke was a Gentile.
---Cluny on 3/21/10


Well I guess we're just going have ask Luke when we get there.
---Johm on 3/20/10


I like Genesis the most, and Revelation the least.
---ger.toshav on 3/20/10


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Kath4451...Were there no Jewish Doctors?

there must have been Jewish doctors

Mark 5:26 And had suffered many things of many PHYSICIANS, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, (KJV NASB)

Luke 8:43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon PHYSICIANS, neither could be healed of any,(KJV)
---michael_e on 3/20/10


Only through TRADITION passed down, Luke was/is thought to be Gentile. WHO's tradition ?

More evidence leans toward him being Jew then Gentile. Jews lived all over and we know this by the Day of Pentecost, they came from ALL Over, hearing the Gospel in their own language.

Were there no Jewish Doctors?

All these things are speculation. One day we will know, just as one day we will know who wrote Hebrews!

However I believe ALL Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and not second hand knowledge. If the book of Luke is second hand knowledge, it then is not Inspired by the Holy Spirit..

Luke knew more about Mary and Jesus early childhood life then any of the other gospel writers. Maybe he was Mary's physician!
---kathr4453 on 3/20/10


Michael e, here is a good example of what I meant about speculations concerning whether Luke was a Gentle or not,

" believe the RCC needed to have Luke as a Gentile to promote their own false religion concerning setting up a bogus false Priesthood, and having a GENTILE head much like OT Israel."

Quoted by Kathr. She has her own speculations about the RCC all because she does not believe he was a Gentle. That is why it is no good to speculate and maybe bring false witness about someone. The RCC has enough wrongs written in history. We don't need to make things up which are not true.
---MarkV. on 3/20/10


Luke being a Physician tends to lean towards him being a Gentile.

Luke not mentioned by Paul as "Those of the circumcsion" lends to him being a Gentile.

Luke's intimate knowledge of Mary lends to the belief he was a jew

Luke knowledge of the Temple Lends to him being a Jew

Luke may be his Greek name (Lucas) as Paul is simply Saul's Roman name.

However, Luke was from Antioch Predominantly Gentile and was the largest and the main Christian Gentile chruch. It was really the first Gentile church and took the lead as the founding church of the Gentile movement. Luke was the leader of this chruch. So was he the Gentile who took over the movemnt as leader, in place of James and the Jewish Jerusalem church?
---John on 3/20/10


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Luke I believe was a Jew! ---kathr4453 on 3/19/10

I totally agree
---michael_e on 3/19/10


I believe the tradition came from the RCC. They love quoting Luke in Mary being blessed above all women, taking her to be the perpetual sinless virgin Mother of God, who never married or had any other children. Bruce B thinks Luke was far more educated and accurate concerning Mary who Luke never states Joseph was her husband. Hummm!

I believe the RCC needed to have Luke as a Gentile to promote their own false religion concerning setting up a bogus false Priesthood, and having a GENTILE head much like OT Israel.


Luke knew so much about OT Ceremony, etc, he could actually have written Hebrews!

Luke I believe was a Jew!
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


MarkV. on 3/19/10.. The only reason I posted on Luke, was, many years ago I heard he was a gentile,after hearing it in a message recently, I confronted the speaker as to what he based it on. His answer was mainly tradition. So I started my own study, then someone on this blog brought it up, that was why I questioned it, finding out here it is mainly based on tradition,as well if it can't be backed by scripture, why mention it? I see more scripture against than for him being a gentile.
---michael_e on 3/19/10


Michael e, you say you disagree with me, that's ok,
and that everything is important, you said.
Why is it important whether Luke was a Gentile or not? How does that change your faith? Or what difference does it make that he was not an eyewitness? Would the gospel of Luke be different? If what's written is inspired by the Spirit, don't you think what the Spirit wanted to convey was the Truth whether he was an eyewitness or not? What it actually does by talking about him not been an eyewitness or other things, brings doubt to what he wrote. Brings speculations and theories. Something many around here like to do.
I believe the Word of God by faith even when we do not understand some things. But that is my opinion. And thanks for yours.
---MarkV. on 3/19/10


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Kathr, I remember reading something to that effect. Certainly Barnabas was a Levite.------ he seems to have a more personal knowledge of the Temple. Lots of attention to details.
---John on 3/16/10

Yes, and why would a Gentile writing from a Gentile perpsective give so much attention to JEWISH Ceremony?

Mentioning Barnabas and Mark his nephew, mentioned before Justus and the Circumcision. Some want to use Luke not being mentioned as a sign he was Gentile.
I've never heard Paul ever refer to Barnabas as "of the circumcision". I don't think he did here either.


Colossians 4:10
Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: --
---kathr4453 on 3/17/10


Markv.. I definitely respect your right to your opinion, even if I disagree. I believe every word is important, and can make a difference.
---michael_e on 3/17/10


Point 3:

Point being, when teh Jews wanted to accuse Paul of bringing a Gentile into the Temple, they chose Trophimus. Why didnt they choose Luke, who was also with Paul, and was an eyewitness to these events? If Luke were a Gentile it would have been easier and more believable to accuse Paul of bringing Luke with him into teh Temple, rather than Trophimus. The fact that Luke was not mentioned in the accusation tells me that he was not a Gentile.

There was even issues with TITUS teh Greek concerning circumcision etc. No such issues were ever raised concerning Luke.

Luke was not controversial when he travelled with Paul to Jerusalem and the Temple and there was no mention of Luke as a problem when Paul was arrested.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/10


Michael e, everybody wrote something of someone all through history. Whether he was an evangelist or not is really not that important or we would know from Scripture. Whether he was one of the circumcism really does not matter either. Who is a Jew, Gentile, for if a Jew rejects the gospel he is a Gentile. We should take what has been written about them, give phrase to God those man were inspired by God to give us God's Word. That is what really matters. Does it really matter that only one Gentile wrote a book, or wrote many? All the other stuff is ok to know but nothing is solid no matter what anyone says since it's all from man writing in history and not God.
---MarkV. on 3/17/10


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Ignatius, i appreciate your views.
1. So basically Luke was a writer,historian and doctor
2.Miss your point
If Saint Luke wrote Acts, which he did, he mention "we" repeating in Acts 21, thus telling us that he was in fact with Saint Paul.
3. So Luke was with Paul, why would not he be mentioned as the gentile that Paul brought into the temple, if he was a gentile?
As for being from Antioch, Acts 2 tells us Jews came from everywhere.
4.(Yes, the Jews received the oracles, which proves?)The jews had the word.
(The Holy Apostles did not preached to the Jews alone.) If the Holy Apostles are the 12, Peter went to a gentile in Acts 10, other than that did the 12 ever leave jerusalem?
---michael_e on 3/17/10


Michael,

1) An a Evangelist is one who brings the Good News of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. Did not Saint Luke wrote a Gospel for his friend?

2) According to my various sources, the Gospel of Saint Luke was most likely written between 60 and 66 AD. There are Scholars, however, who believe it was written after 70AD. In either case, the events of Acts 10 happened before either dates.

3) If Saint Luke wrote Acts, which he did, he mention "we" repeating in Acts 21, thus telling us that he was in fact with Saint Paul.

4) Yes, the Jews received the oracles, which proves? The Holy Apostles did not preached to the Jews alone.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/17/10


Luke's Gospel along with Acts is scripture INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit, not second hand knowledge.

michael_e is correct...the oracles of God were handed down and given to Jews only.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/10


Luke is said to have come from Antioch in Syria. His gospel seems to be directed to Gentiles more than any other.

He never knew Jesus personally, but seems to have relied on extensive and detailed interviews (as would a skilled physician)with those who had.

He mentions the praise that Jesus had for various Gentiles i.e. the faith of a Roman soldier in Luke 7:19. More remarkable yet, is his account of the good Samaritan, which appears in no other gospel. Since Samaritans were traditional enemies of the Jews, Jews may have been less inclined to write this parable into their Gospels.
---Donna66 on 3/16/10


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(ignatius)Saint Luke the Evangelist

Any scripture that Luke was an evangelist?

(His understanding of everything "were handed down)

Zechariah a priest, Mary and the 12 disciples, law abiding Jews, even speaking to Luke if he was a a gentile, not likely. Ref peter Acts 10

Acts 21 Paul was accused of bringing gentiles into the temple, if Luke was with him, he wasn't mentioned.
Rom. 3:1-2.. what advantage has the Jew...
much, the oracles were committed to them
---michael_e on 3/16/10


Saint Luke the Evangelist was a physician and was a companion of Saint Paul the Apostle, at least from the time of Saint Paul's Macedonian Vision (Acts 16:9,10) right up to the time of His martyrdom (2 Tim 4:11). It seem that He distinguished him from those who were "of the circumcision" (Col 4:11, 14).

His understanding of everything "were handed down to [him] by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word" (Luke 1:2) which included the original Apostles, Saint Paul, the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, etc. And " [He] carefully investigated everything from the beginning" (v 3).

We received from the Early Christians and Historians that he was a Gentile from Antioch.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/16/10


"The fact that Luke alone of the four Gospel writers gives this account,with detail, argues for his being a Jew...Luke might have been a Levite as well. (Kathr)

You pointed out some interesting points, but it doesn't provide any evidence he was a Jew. Saint Luke the Evangelist was not a eyewitness of any events he wrote in his Gospel. He was not a original Apostle and never met Jesus.

He tell us in Luke 1:1-2 that he investigated everything. His source was the Apostles, the eyewitness. He is only one who tell us us a little about Jesus' early years (because he most likely interviewed the Virgin Mary). His Gospel is full of details. He was a Historian afterall.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/16/10


Luke might have been a Levite as well, as he knew so much about how the Temple operated where no Gentile was allowed to go?
---kathr4453 on 3/16/10

Kathr, I remember reading something to that effect. Certainly Barnabas was a Levite.

Since most of his Gospels were interviews. He might have gotten that info from Zacharias himself as he did with Mary and Elizabeth.

But, as you said, he seems to have a more personal knowledge of the Temple. Lots of attention to details.
---John on 3/16/10


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Luke showed such an intimate knowledge of the Temple, more than any other of the Gospel writers. When he described the announcement to Zacharias concerning the birth of John the Baptist, Luke went into considerable detail to describe the rotating selection of the Levitical priests for service according to their families. He further described the position of the priest before the altar of incense, where the angel appeared to Zacharias (Luke 1:8-20).

The fact that Luke alone of the four Gospel writers gives this account,with detail, argues for his being a Jew, familiar with the Temple procedures. Luke might have been a Levite as well, as he knew so much about how the Temple operated where no Gentile was allowed to go?
---kathr4453 on 3/16/10


MarkV thanks for your input.
C0l. 4:11-14: I believe Paul was speaking of fellow preachers. Luke was never described as being active in the preaching ministry. I believe he was Pauls physician and historian. It wouldn't be right to put Luke in the list with those who were active in the preaching ministry, whether Jew or Gentile.

Rom. 3 is another indication
---michael_e on 3/16/10


Michael e, it is my understanding too that Luke was a Gentile. The Apostal Paul seems to confirm this, distinquishing Luke from those who were "of the circumcision" (Col. 4:11,14). Luke is the only Gentile who would wrote any books of Scripture. As John has stated, Both Eusebius and Jerome indentified him as a native of Antioch which explains why much of the book of Acts centers on Antioch.
A very interesting guy. A close friend of Paul and very interested in medical phenomena which is evident in the high profile he gave to Jesus healing ministry. (4:38-40, 5:15-25, 6:17-19, 7:11-15, 8:43-47, 45-56 etc).
He himself was not a witness to the events he stated, but wrote from the reports of those who were eyewitnesses.
---MarkV. on 3/16/10


Are you saying there is no Biblical reason to believe Luke is a Gentile? This is a study for me at the present time, and I am finding more scripture for him being a Jew, thanks for your input anyway.
---michael_e on 3/14/10

Yes I am. It is coming from educated conjecter and some early father writings. Not biblical by any means.
There is a lot of writings( as you said) that he was a Jew.

I belive he was a Gentile, but I guess we'll just have to ask him when we meet him in Heaven.
---John on 3/14/10


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---John on 3/13/10 I believe he was a Gentile because he was a Physician. That would be preposterous for a Hebrew. He was also a Greek

Are you saying there is no Biblical reason to believe Luke is a Gentile? This is a study for me at the present time, and I am finding more scripture for him being a Jew, thanks for your input anyway.
---michael_e on 3/14/10


Michaele,

I believe he was a Gentile because he was a Physician. That would be preposterous for a Hebrew. He was also a Greek.

He was from Antioch which is predominantly Gentile

There are also arguments he was a Jew as well.

Luke could have been a Greek name and maybe he had a Hebrew name.
It would be like Saul and Paul. Paul is just Saul in Latin or Greek.
Joseph(aka:Barnabus) was a Levite and was from Cypress.
---John on 3/13/10


My favorite book of the Bible is Genesis because it is the beginning. This first book of the Old Testament tells the story of Creation, the fall of Man. and God's relationship with Noah, Moses, and Abraham and his descendents
---Sissy3396 on 3/13/10


michael e,

Yes, I understand your question. But like I said, Holy Tradition preserved by the Fathers tell us Saint Luke, a Gentile, wrote a Gospel, and that it is Holy Scripture. The same Fathers that was guided by the Holy Spirit to tell us which books should be included in the Holy Bible, are the same who bear witness to the Tradition that Saint Luke, the beloved physician mention in Saint Paul's writings, wrote two books, Luke and Acts. According to Early Church Tradition, Saint Luke was of Greek origin born in the Hellenistic city of Antioch (a Gentile)

The fact there is no Scripture saying such prove nothing (as if Holy Scriptures contains everything). We have the entire testimony of the Early Church.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/12/10


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---Ignatius on 3/12/10 Holy Tradition perserved by the Fathers tell us Saint Luke, a Gentile, wrote a Gospel, and that it is Holy Scripture.

I'm know it is Holy scripture, like I was asking if there is no scripture, why should we think Luke was a Gentile?

---michael_e on 3/12/10


The Gospel of John is getting to know Jesus and what He says about the New Birth, John 3:16 and often read John 17, which is really explained in depth through what God revealed to Paul..the Mystery on that oneness, and our future Glorification with Christ.

Then my next favorite is Hebrews, that totally explains the Gospel of salvation and all the OT types and shadows pointing to Christ.

All Cults can be detected by Hebrews. Hebrews is WHO Jesus Christ is, HOW salvation was accomplished, and what is expected of us.

Then Romans, God's whole plan from the beginning of time..taking you through Romans 9-11 and God's future plan for Israel.

Oh, I'm running out of space...Ephesians, Colossians, Galatians, 1,2,3 John
---kathr4453 on 3/12/10


"I have often heard it said that luke was a gentile, but I can't find scripture" (michael e)

No Scripture exist, yet it is through Holy Tradition that we believe that the Gospel of Luke was written by Saint Luke or that the Gospel of John was written by the Saint John the Apostle or that the NT contains 27 books.

Early Christian writings from Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Saint Irenaeis, Eusebius, Saint Ambrose, Saint Augustine, Saint John Chrysostom, among many others.

The Muratorian Fragment, a 2nd century Latin Christian document is also a witness to this.

Holy Tradition perserved by the Fathers tell us Saint Luke, a Gentile, wrote a Gospel, and that it is Holy Scripture.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/12/10


---John on 3/12/10One of my favorites as well. The only book in scripture written by a gentile.
I have often heard it said that luke was a gentile, but I can't find scripture to back this, could you help?
---michael_e on 3/12/10


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Luke is my favorite.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/11/10

One of my favorites as well. The only book in scripture written by a gentile.
I wish they would put it next to his 2nd volume Acts, so we can read through both.

I sometimes wish it were not in the bible, but more of a non-scriptural book. Since it was the most accurate and historical of all the gospels. As an outside book it would prove many things to the sceptics. Like Josephus writings.

Nice Choice!
---John on 3/12/10


Luke is my favorite.

I got to meet my Savior, face to face, as I studied Luke. I really knew Him after that and have felt the urge to study more Bools to know Him more and more.

Luke was the first Book I ever studied in the Bible and will remain my favorite.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/11/10


romans, where the BOC gets it's basic doctrine
---michael_e on 3/11/10


Typo: the powerful book by John was omitted.
---Eloy on 3/11/10


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My favourite is Isaiah. I think it is the most complete book in the bible. It outlines the first and second coming of christ, the plan of salvation, christians life: all that is needed for this life and the life after.
---francis on 3/11/10


Only the Inspired= Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Yehoshua, Judges, I Samuel, II Samuel, I kings, II Kings, Yeshayahu, Yirmiyahu, Yechezkiel, Hoshea, Yoel, Amos, Obadiah, Yonah, Michah, Nachum, Habakkuk, Xephaniah, Heggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Psalms, Proverbs, Iyob, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Danyal, Ezra, Nechemiah, I Chronicles, II Chronicles: Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, Romans, I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, I Peter, II Peter, I John, II John, III John, Jude, Revelation.
---Eloy on 3/11/10


John,

1) We do not consider Enoch to be canonical. Although quoted by some Early Fathers, it was not accepted as canonical by several fourth century church councils and the Church worldwide. Only the [Coptic] Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church consider it canonical.

2) It depends on which canonical Orthodox jurisdiction you attend. Russian Orthodox Churches (whether ROCOR or MP) generally have a longer service than do the Greeks (etc).

3) The Divine Liturgy is celebrated on Sundays. However, what you may be referring to is the daily Vespers, which begins on Sundown.

As we Orthodox say, "Come and see". I hope you enjoy your visit. Our Divine Worship is heavenly.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/11/10


cover to cover,day to day,hour by hour,minute by minute,second by second,iam affected by what I read,and what comes to mind,I love the entire book.
---tom2 on 3/10/10


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Thanks Ignatius. I will have to re-read these books. Do you consider the Book of Enoch Canonical. It was one of the most read books during Jesus time.

I plan to visit an Orthodox Church (probably Greek). I understand the service is very long and begins at sundown Saturday.
Is that correct?

I have studied most of the other denominations, but I am interested in the Orthodox church since it seems to been untouch since the Church of Antioch. Also, because it not bound by the legalism of the Roman empire.
---John on 3/10/10


John,
I am a Eastern Orthodox Christian, so yes, I consider them to be genuine parts of Holy Scriptures. The vast majority of Christians consider them canonical. Only a small minority of Christians (most Protestants, as some consider them canonical) believe otherwise. The first generations of Christians quoted from them as Scriptures. But I consider this a minor issue.

They are filled with Heavenly Wisdom. No wonder the Early Christians quoted from them (which makes sense since they used the LXX version of the OT). Actually, Wisdom of Sirach was used as a Instructional Manual (like a Catechism) in early centuries of the Church. I understand why the Beloved Saint John Chrysostom quoted from it heavily in his sermons.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/10/10


Ignatius,

Do you consider Wisdom of Sirach, Wisdom of Solomon, Apocryphal or Scriptural (Canonical).

Why do you like them?
---john on 3/10/10


I love so many books in the Holy Scriptures (i.e., Psalter, Wisdom of Sirach, Wisdom of Solomon, Proverbs, The Holy Gospel of John, Hebrews, James, etc), but I would have to say the Psalter (the book of Psalms), the Spiritual Gem of the Church.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/10/10


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I love many books in the Bible. I especially liked the book of John, the book of Acts and the book of Revelation. But having said all that I really must come down on the side of Romans as my favorite book.
---mima on 3/10/10


James is my fave.
---kevin on 3/10/10


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