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Bible Contradicts People

People don't disagree with the Bible because it contradicts itself, but because it contradicts them. What are your thoughts?

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 ---Leslie on 3/10/10
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By the way my last post was not a criticism, just a little perplexed at all the in fighting.

I would ask though, do all these different books that are about that people talk of as almost gospel.I mean ones written over the last couple of hundred years. Adding,to the Bible or contradicting?

---chris on 5/12/12


There seem to be so many different churches in America.
They all seem to have different ideas. So for someone outside the states, it can get confusing.
'I Am The Way' is pretty clear.
'Live like me'
Believe in me'
Repent your sins.
God is all forgiving to those who are genuine.
Jesus died for us.
Surely those are things we all agree on?
Or is that too simplistic and you argue about that as well?
---chris on 5/12/12


Leslie, there is many who call themselves christians who do disagree with what the Bible tells us. They even contradict many passages also, because they have formed a god to their own liking. Not the One from Holy Scripture. Their god is perfectly suited for their believes. They can order their god around, they can command him to do what they desire, they can worship him if they like, or not worship him at all and worship some kind of saint or idol. They can excuse their sin, or they can judge others of their sins. Nothing is impossible for them. They are in control.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/12


Leslie: You are absolutely right! Many people (including the majority of CN respondents) cling to one or two nebulous texts as justification for their favorite doctrines while dismissing a plethora of texts which contradict them. I suspect that such mental gymnastics helps them sleep at night and still indulge in their pet sins. But God is not glorified by our justification of sin, rather He is Glorified by our obedience in turning away from them.


---jerry6593 on 5/10/12


The Bible doesn't contradict itself, it interprets itself, if you rightly divide
2 Tim. 2:15
---michael_e on 4/2/10




Good morning Jesus. Everything God gives, gives me, He can back it up with Scripture. Who knows more than God knows? Come on, raise your hand. Come on Jesus. ah.
---catherine on 4/2/10


Tom 2, there is no text or Scripture contradictions. There is paradoxes. But no contradictions. Everything can be resolve with an open mind and the right intentions. Many other passages concerning the same subject will bring light to the one we have trouble with.
Paul having trouble with the flesh is no text contradiction. That is the way of life for all those who are born of the Spirit. The flesh has not been redeemed yet.
---MarkV. on 4/2/10


I believe it was paul who stated how he was controlled by his flesh to the point of doing things he knew was wrong yet did them anyway.well if thats not a text contradiction I dont know what is,but its human nature,or should I say the nature of the flesh.
---tom2 on 4/1/10


The Bible does not contradict, it is the people who contradict the Bible. Every religion outside of Christianity believes in works for salvation.
---MarkV. on 3/19/10

Well said. Many of Christianity as well.
I recall a tract giver,bible giver following all the rules of their denom-doctrine displaying/bragging this was proof of their inclusion and authority. Carried aloft by varied writings by different commentators. A futile place to place faith. Since none agree with the other. Men of renown no doubt. Unfortunately they were not Apostles or Prophets.
---Trav on 3/19/10


A lot depends on what part of the Bible you are looking at for guidance on a given subject.

We don't take our our rebellious children to be city gates to be stones to death by the town fathers any more. There are more loving solutions found in the New Testament.

It may require corporal punishment if you can get away with it in the state you live in. In general Stoning is considered child abuse in most jurisdictions.

The last stoning that got any news was the 13 year old girl who reported being raped [found compliant under Sheria Law] in Somalia, she was buried up to her neck and pelted with rocks by 50 men in a soccer stadium while the crowd cheered on.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/19/10




The Bible does not contradict, it is the people who contradict the Bible. Every religion outside of Christianity believes in works for salvation.
What I heard is that Muslims are going to heaven every time they blow a bomb and kill many. Jehovah Witnessess and Mormons have to go to as many doors as possible to make the quota. One reason why the saints are worshipped in the Roman Catholics is because of something great the saints did.
Instead of Christ getting the credit for working in the lives of those saints, they get the credit for doing what they did. Some even take credit for Saturday Sabbath as a good deed. All of them have a problem, how much works will it take to get them in?
---MarkV. on 3/19/10


Nana: Peace! Just wanted to clarify.
---jerry6593 on 3/19/10


"Nana: Jesus came to save us from our SINS - not from the LAW which defines our sins."
---jerry6593 on 3/18/10

Totally agree. I was in agreement with your statement, just in case I gave you the wrong impression.
---Nana on 3/18/10


Nana: Jesus came to save us from our SINS - not from the LAW which defines our sins.
---jerry6593 on 3/18/10


About jerry6593 on 3/16/10, great point!
Paul said, 1 Timothy 1:9: "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy,profane..."
They themselves declare their sin for which the Law they condemn is made.
With their traditions, their commentaries, they wash away what otherwise our Lord as the "commandment of God", the effectual "word of God" exalted as a must and sacred- Mark 7:7_13.
So, we must teach the undiluted word of God, not a justification for our shortcommings.
You were honest in not excluding yourself in, "Yes, the Bible - particularly the Ten Commandments - steps on our toes."
---Nana on 3/16/10


Leslie: Great point! Yes, the Bible - particularly the Ten Commandments - steps on our toes. The mystery is why so many Christians want to do away with the Law rather than their own sin.
---jerry6593 on 3/16/10


jerry6593, What I see is people would rather hold on the law then allow the CROSS to do away with sin. The Law keeps sin alive, the CROSS and our identification with Christ in death *Phil 3 (being made conformable to His death)is what is objectionable to those under LAW. Colossians 2 also state those who identify with Christ in death rejoice in teh fact that SIN and the LAW were nailed to the cross. Keep your flesh nailed there and you won't need the 10 commandments to keep your flesh in check.

---kathr4453 on 3/16/10


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It contradicts their fleshly nature. Unless the Holy Spirit reveals truth to us and unless He takes the scales off of our eyes, how can we see the truth of the Bible?

Jesus said in John Chapter 17, "Thy word is truth."

John said, "The word became flesh and dwelt amoung us."

Hebrews tells us: The word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edge sword, able to peirce through to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and to get through to joints and marrow (paraphrased that a little).

Jesus told Peter, Blessed are you Simon Barjona for flesh and blood did not reveal (this truth) to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
---Donna on 3/16/10


Jerry, you sin like everyone else, what is the difference? No matter what you do and no matter how much you try, you sin every single day even more when you display your pride when you show others their sin but don't show yours. In fact you have a chance to help others instead of calling out their sin, and you do not do it. Sins of omission are also sins. You have the law, you teach the law, you are under the law and you cannot stop from sinning. And when you sin once, you have broken them all. So how are you different then anyone else? You are a sinner. Period.
---MarkV. on 3/16/10


Leslie: Great point! Yes, the Bible - particularly the Ten Commandments - steps on our toes. The mystery is why so many Christians want to do away with the Law rather than their own sin.
---jerry6593 on 3/16/10


Yes, rebellion is primitive. The Bible says, "Obey": but sin says, "I will not". "O' the foolishness of man, who refuse the commands of God onto your own hurt. Taste and see that I am good, for my ways are right for you, says the Lord, and I will be a light to your path. Hearken to my words, and see if I will not pour out for you blessings untold, and give onto you length of days, and I will even make your enemies to be at peace with you. But how will I bless you when you run away from me for to do your own lusts? says Christ. Return to me and take my yoke upon you, and do all my will, and I will surely bless you, and again make you the glory of the nations, says the Lord."
---Eloy on 3/13/10


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so does the bible contradict the people?
there are people who make their own interpretation of the bible ...---jim on 3/12/10

It is impossible to have a contradiction with witnessing Prophets/Apostles/Christ.

The absence of specifics in a topic subject or context more than once answers as well.
Heb 8:8 and Jer 31:31 are two witnesses that say the same thing. Absent is the word "all" or "everyone" or the "whole world". All prophets uphold the two scriptures above hundreds of times....absent are the same words. So who is contradicting who? I'm not brave enough to contradict a prophet...but, thousands/millions are.
---Trav on 3/12/10


francis

Pastors & preachers tell us to obey & trust what the bible say.

Malachi 3:10 says that Pastors & preachers are messengers of god.

believers end up trusting & believing the interpretations of the 'messengers of god'.
---jim on 3/12/10


when things don't fit what we think or have been told we have a tendency to do what Peter says rather than admit we could be wrong.

2 pet3:15 And account that the patience of our Lord is salvation, even as brother Paul also according to the wisdom given to him hath written to you,
16 As in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
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---michael_e on 3/12/10


There is an element to where we trust our pastors / preachers more than we trust the bible.

Too often we use the preacher/ pastor to tell us if the bible is true, rather than using the bible to tell us whether the preacher is true.
---francis on 3/12/10

I sure admire the language you arranged above. This is what is wrong with the Churches today all over the world. You see me in disagreements with others on this site.....when I ask for confirmation of a second--third witness or more by scripture/prophet/apostle or Christ....I get denom raked w/no reply. Is harder to un-learn than learn. More so for preachers...they have publicly declared....and they would have to recant or say I've been in error.
---Trav on 3/12/10


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char
God will give us understanding

luke 18:15-16
the disciples were HINDERING the children who were brought to christ

luke 18:35-42

the blind man cried out for healing but the people said 'SHUT UP'

so does the bible contradict the people?
there are people who make their own interpretation of the bible & they are close in 'shoving the bible' down the throats who are looking for answers.then they use words like 'obey' 'submit' 'be a servant'.
---jim on 3/12/10


what about those people that died in jonestown & waco Tx? so did the bible contradict the people?

and another thing is the reason why the bible contradict the people is because the pastors who preach it give a shallow, vague & weak teaching.
ex.
the bible will say that self is a sin. but how can you have a relationship when the bible say that christianity is one not a religion.
tithing will make you successful. but what about skill & hard work.
does that contradict people?
---jim on 3/12/10


God alone gives us true understanding.
To this I agree.
Heb 4:12
For the word of God quick,and powerful,and sharper than any twoedge sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,and of the joints and marrow,and a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Matt 26:41
Watch and pray,that ye enter not into temptation:the spirit indeed willing,but the flesh weak.

Trav3/10/10....ditto to the scriptures provided.
agreed.
---char on 3/12/10


There is an element to where we trust our pastors / preachers more than we trust the bible.

Too often we use the preacher/ pastor to tell us if the bible is true, rather than using the bible to tell us whether the preacher is true.


Many christians will believe and quote to you what thier pastor says believing that it is from the bible.

EXAMPLE: My pastor is offering $10,000 to anyone who can show from the bible, that the disciples abandonded the sabbath in favour of sunday.

Thus far no one has collected. Is it because they believe what the bible says, or they believe what thier preacher says?
---francis on 3/12/10


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The bible is the inspired word of God. The reason it appears to be contradictory is, because of ones misunderstanding.

God is the only one who can give us the understanding we need for the appropriate situation in our lives.
---Shary on 3/12/10

You've put it into basic perspective nicely.
Romans 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
(Seek)
There are no contradictions with two or more scriptures witnessing. Freeing us from all denoms/doctrines of the foolish today.
2 Corinthians 13:1
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
---Trav on 3/12/10


The bible is the inspired word of God. The reason it appears to be contradictory is, because of ones misunderstanding. I believe the bible is Gods manual for life throughout all ages. Unless, we receive a true understanding by the spirit of God it will seem contradictory. God is the only one who can give us the understanding we need for the appropriate situation in our lives.

shary8757
---Shary on 3/12/10


Probably a good point that some people change the meaning of the Bible for their own sin or false gospels.
---Alan on 3/12/10


Leslie, I believe you've given an opinion only, unless you talked to many genuine believers, because you say,
"There are so many "Christians" and ministers who do this, because they are in sin and enjoy their sin, and do not want to change. They try to say that their life is theirs and they can do whatever they want, rather than what the Bible says that our lives our God's and we must only live by the Bible."
You say, "genuine believers," did you hear them say those things? You are assuming you know whether they are saved or not. How can you know what they are thinking, doing, and much less know what is in their hearts? You even say, and do not want to change. Thats alot to assume of a true Christian.
---MarkV. on 3/12/10


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If someone is in sin, they will try to justify that sin as being okay with God, by disagreeing with the Bible, because the Bible contradicts them and their sin by saying it is not okay with God. There are so many "Christians" and ministers who do this, because they are in sin and enjoy their sin, and do not want to change. They try to say that their life is theirs and they can do whatever they want, rather than what the Bible says that our lives our God's and we must only live by the Bible. They try to be their own Lord and God, rather that making Jesus God and Lord. They act like Satan in the Garden of Eden "God and the Bible didn't really say that".
---Leslie on 3/11/10


If someone WANTS to find a place to claim the bible contradicts itsself, Im' sure it can be found (probably the words used in the parables of Christ are not written EXACTLY the same in all four Gospels.....). But any contradictions are so small, that.... no problem. Contradics us - sure, but we know which of the two is right!
---peter3594 on 3/11/10


Leslie from what I have seen here many people disagree with the Bible because it is unyielding and disagrees with them. There are so many theories proposed here which are directly contradicted by Scripture. However many socalled Christians refuse to believe Scripture, preferring their own ideas or the current 'scientific' musings. The fact that these musings change radically doesn't faze them. Whatever 'scientists' propose today, (though the opposite of last years musings) is the truth.

For me and my family we will follow God, and His Word as God is the eternal perfect witness who knows everything, and cannot lie.
---Warwick on 3/11/10


Yes, I agree, the Bible shows us spiritual scenarios that we might recognize our own spiritual failings. Discernment is the reward of learning how the Bible applies to our relationships with others...disagreement the marker of sensitivity about offenses we are guilty of, before God.
---Elaine on 3/10/10


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Yes, exactly. Many people avoid the bible because it shows us our "natural face" in "the mirror"....

James 1:23
"he is like a man who observes his natural face in a mirror".

The bible shows people how sinful/evil the natural man is. People like to think 'good' of themselves, so when they see/understand all the 'wrong' that they do, they react with resentment.

People usually feel comfortable doing "wrong", but only until you or scripture reminds them or points out their wrongdoing (because it then bothers their conscience, and their conscience will haunt them whether they realize it or not).
---more_excellent_way on 3/10/10


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