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Where Dinosaur Fossils Came

With all the debate about evolution, can you suggest where the dinosaur fossils actually came from?

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I looked at the explanatory notes about the Behemoth in two Bibles (one RSV, one Good News), both list that it is suggested to be the rhinocerous. It could be, and we really have no evidence it was a dinosaur
---peter3594 on 4/5/10


T-Rex bone has been found with flesh and blood cells inside. Real and not millions of years old, obviously.

Warwick.

Very interesting Warwick

There are a ton of biblical references to dragons of both the sea and desert but there is also the suggestion in Neh 2 dragons are serpents.

More info on T-Rex bones please.
---larry on 4/4/10


Eloy you often write interesting things, but this is ridiculous. A lion has a tail like a cedar tree? Have you ever seen a cedar tree? Massive. This description fits with the gigantic tails some dinosaurs have.

Have you ever seen a lion sitting in a marsh?

Is there any difficulty in capturing a lion?

BTW there are carvings, drawings and eye-witness reports of what we today call dinosaurs.

T-Rex bone has been found with flesh and blood cells inside. Real and not millions of years old, obviously.

However it is no use pointing this out to you as your mind (and that of some others) is closed on the suject.

---Warwick on 4/4/10


Eloy: What convinced you that dinosaurs are fictitous? How do you account for all those gigantic bones in fossil beds worldwide, some of which are still in their original relative positions?
---jerry6593 on 4/4/10


lit.Hb, Pt.2: "He the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach. For food the mountains bear to him, and all the animals of the field play there. He lies under the shady trees in the covert of the reed and fens. The shady trees their shadow covers him: the willows of the brook encompass him around. Note, not hasting he drinks up a river: he is confident that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. With eyes he takes it, his nose piercing through snares." Job 40:19-24.
---Eloy on 4/2/10




Warwick, I know all about Behemoth, and the scripture does not desribe the mammoth beast as an imaginary monster at all, like fictitous dinosaurs. I believe behemoth is descriptive of the lion: "He eats grass as an ox" (Job 40:15+ Isaiah 65:25): has strong loins, belly and bones (Job 40:16,18): he has a long tail, and the flesh of his private parts are wrapped together (Job 40:17): he is chief of animals (Job 40:19): He lies down under the shady trees near the water (Job 40:21): He likes the water and takes his time drinking from the river (Job 40:22-24).
---Eloy on 4/2/10


lit.Hb, Pt.1: "Note now behemoth which I made with you: he eats grass as an ox. Note now, his strength is in his loins, and his force in the navel of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: the flesh of his private parts are wrapped together. Strong his bones, pieces of bronze, his bones like bars of iron." Job 40:15-18.
---Eloy on 4/2/10


Eloy, Job 40: 15-24

"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you....... What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar, the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God, ....... Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. The lotuses conceal him in their shadow, the poplars by the stream surround him. When the river rages, he is not alarmed, he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth. Can anyone capture him by the eyes, or trap him and pierce his nose?"

What living creature does this describe?
---Warwick on 4/1/10


Michael, I have not witnessed, nor is there any written nor pictorial record of eye witnesses to any so-called living dinosaurs, except for "dino" on the Fred Flinstone cartoon, and the fantasy hollywood movies "Jurasic Park", and "Godzilla" and "Rodan" all silly monsters made up by the silly imaginations of man.
---Eloy on 4/1/10


Warwick, Samuel: I also don't mind that Creationism is not taught in schools, but I would like to see the truth about Evolution taught alongside it. I would like to see the falacies of its underlying assumptions exposed, the contradictions to its claims in the fossil record exposed, the history of the fraud and hoaxes it has spawned taught, and of course, the end result of its foundational philosophy on worldwide racism and genocide brought to the fore.

Most American states have laws that require "the truth" to be in our school's textbooks and taught to the students. But alas, most of our teachers are products of secular academia, and so bow at the alter of Darwin.
---jerry6593 on 4/1/10




Thanks Samuel.

I agree that creationism should not be mandatory in Schools. Can you imagine how such as Atheist would misrepresent it!

However I believe teachers should have the right to discuss it openly, without fear of reprisal. We are supposed to have freedom of speech. Not if the left-wingers get their way.

I also believe evolution should not be taught as proven fact, because it is not. to teach it as fact is indoctrination, not education.

From my experience if evidence for evolution is taught alongside evidence for creation, creation usually wins. Most students are taught evolution and just uncritically believe it.
---Warwick on 3/31/10


Wow, Eloy, I don't know where to start with that one. Crocodilian and Monitors including the Komodo dragon are dinosaur types. Historical documentation, hundreds of complete fossils, and several varying species ranging in sizes, Paleantologists, Christian and atheist, agree there were dinosaurs. Not just a creature. The ark had more than enough space for these being 450'x150'x45', over 3 million cubic feet.
Average dinosaur size being that of a large dog or small pony. There have been reconstruction attempts to try to further an agenda or prove a point, although they have marred the facts, they do not cancel them.
---MIchael on 3/31/10


There is no such thing as a dinosaur, the compilation was created by taking diverse bones from diverse creatures and building an imaginary creature.
---Eloy on 3/31/10


Good points Warwick. I believed in evolution before becoming a Christian. It was not a relgious view to me. But some atheists I have read and listened to that application can be made.

I plan to see the show you mentioned and yes many who accept creationism are discriminated against. I listed to the Creation Institute on the radio.

I do not believe that Creationism should be taught in Public schools. But in many public schools Evolution is now by law to be taught as a fact. Even problems with evolution are not to be brought up which I consider that to be wrong.
---Samuel on 3/31/10


Samuel I believe Jerry was saying that evolution is the atheistic explanation of how life in all its forms came about. It is their world view which many defend very very passionately. It is a religion to these people and they will defend it by fair means or foul.

As you will see from these pages most evolutionists have only heard one side of the story, and don't even know it very well. They fight against the Christian creation perspective even being taught as a possibility. Scientists are often sacked just for expressing, or suggesting creation views. Have a look at the Ben Stein interview documentary 'Expelled.'

Evolution is a religion to many.
---Warwick on 3/30/10


Okay Evolution is taught in schools. The relgion of Marx is communism not evolution. Also thanks to Jerry and Larry on your points about Creationism not biogenesis.

The belief in Evolution is adopted by many as a Scientific attitude being opposed to Theological thinking. This is acceptable to all those who are nonrelgious and many of different relgions find no problem with it.

If you have a Creator then you can have a judge who expects you to listen. Science is the religion of many who are atheistic. There is nothing wrong with Science or even scientific thinking as long as we remeber that GOD is the author of all true science.
---Samuel on 3/30/10


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larry: "Riddle me this, why is it so insistently taught in schools?"

I'm sure your aware of the Communist takeover in America. Part of this takeover, as outlined by Karl Marx, is the takeover of the public schools for the purpose of indoctrinating the young. The official religion of Communism is Atheism. Evolution is the atheist's creator. Thus we see prayer removed from schools, and evolution exhalted.
---jerry6593 on 3/30/10


Well said brother Jerry on the absurdity of spontaneous biogenesis.

Riddle me this, why is it so insistently taught in schools?
---larry on 3/29/10


Cluny: You seem to be confusing spontaneous generation of life by naturalistic processes (abiogenesis) with supernatural creative acts. They are not the same. The former has been proven by science and mathematics to be impossible. The latter is declared to be fact, as:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is
---jerry6593 on 3/27/10


\\But I do not believe Spontaneous Generation is scientific no matter how much you dress it up.\\

And yet, this is consistent with what Genesis actually says.

God did not say, "Let there be grass," but "Let the earth bring forth grass."

He did not say, "Let there be fish," but "Let the waters bring forth abundantly...."
---Cluny on 3/27/10


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Fossils must in general be created by being covered by water and mud so the bones can be preserved by the transfer of minerals.

Dinosaur fossils came from not being able to swim or being caught in the flood upheaveals.

Now this does not fit with the timeline used by most Geologists for earth history. I do not know how old the world is. But I do know fossils that are millions of years old should not have parts not fossilized even if they are very small.

I cannot prove the Bible is true. But I do not believe Spontaneous Generation is scientific no matter how much you dress it up.
---Samuel on 3/26/10


Athiest, what keeps you from ending it all?
With life being but a chance you cannot logically argue DNA on its own inputes purpose. A life without purpose is a life not worth living.
Spontaneous biogenesis does not create purpose.

Why waste your time arguing with Christians on blogs if nothing really matters?
You do it because you know there is something more to life, and though you fear seeking God on the risk that you will find him, you prove him with every prideful rebellious breath.

I dare you to seek him.


---larry on 3/25/10


Perhaps God had Satan plant fake dinosaur fossils just to test the faith of Evangelical Christians. Who knows...?
---ger.toshav on 3/25/10


Cluny our faith is established upon God's word. Nowhere in Scripture are we told we can pick and choose which part/s of it we are prepared to accept as historical truth.

If Genesis is not historical reality then it is hypocritical to claim John, or Ephesians, etc is historical reality.

Huxley, (a nonbeliever) referred to as 'Darwin's Bulldog,' was particularly scathing of those Christians who felt they were free to decide which part/s of God's word they were prepared to accept as historical reality. With good reason!
---Warwick on 3/22/10


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My faith is stablished on Jesus Christ... Whether dinosaurs and Homo sapiens co-existed is not a subject that interests me. - Cluny
My faith is (e)stablished on Jesus Christ who came into this world to save sinners like me who need(ed) Him because of the sin brought into the world through Adam (that brought death). Dinosaurs were created along with all the other animals, but if we had no dinosaur bones/fossils and they had never existed, it would not change my faith. We need Christ as our foundation because of sin entering as recorded in Genesis and the "need" for Dinosaurs are simply illustrative of the Bible's scientific relevance in an unbelieving age - it is not belief in dinosaurs that saves.
---simon7348 on 3/22/10


\\I would like to ask that you to keep researching this and maybe the multitude of evidence that you would consider credible will change your mind. I myself have seen enough of what I consider authentic to stablish my faith in this matter\\

My faith is stablished on Jesus Christ, and not this or that archeological find.

Whether dinosaurs and Homo sapiens co-existed is not a subject that interests me.
---Cluny on 3/19/10


'atheist': One day you will need our God. I only hope that it will not be too late when you find Him.
---jerry6593 on 3/19/10


A good place to look for large creatures in the Bible is Job 40. I did a search for Job 40 on Yahoo and the top option on the "Bible in song" website gives a balanced reasoning that perhaps behemoth isn't a hippopotamus or elephant (tail like a cedar?!?) and that perhaps we should be thinking "Dinosaur". As it rightly points out, the word "Dinosaur" wasn't used until the 1800s and many modern translations could have been written by those with a long-age belief trying to make it fit their world view rather than looking at the world through Biblical eyes.
---simon7348 on 3/18/10


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Heres my take on Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were created by God to travel quickly fertilizing the earth before John Deere or Scotts or any other company making fertilizer can now do for us. Before the flood, we have no record of storms producing LIGHTENING. We know today lightening is extremely effective and filled with nitrogen, necessary for the growing process. We have no account of any dinosaurs after the flood. We have no account of dinosaurs before either, except for their remains. But then again, where is there a record of an anteater or a duckbill platypus? Yet we know they existed.

As far a carbon dating, I believe not knowing what other components take place after x number of years gives a false reading.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/10


I don't believe in evolution or any life before God created plans, animals, then Humanity, but I would venture to say that Dinosaur fossils came from dinosaurs.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/10


Cluny, Your doubt is understandable, There are many sites and artifacts throughout history all over the world, more being discovered annually, They do require skepticism as zealots trying to prove this on their time schedule are out there, as with anything contraversial. I would like to ask that you to keep researching this and maybe the multitude of evidence that you would consider credible will change your mind. I myself have seen enough of what I consider authentic to stablish my faith in this matter.
---MIchael on 3/17/10


I checked your original suggestion, Michael.

The pictures that I saw were all clearly faked. The renditions of dinosaurs were not even in the same style as the other animals. For one thing, the dinos were more detailed.

Dinosaurs may have co-existed with Homo sapiens, but the pictures I saw were not convincing evidence for this.
---Cluny on 3/17/10


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Trav :"You are afraid of my Imaginary Protector."
That's is just silly on so many levels...
your Imaginary Protector? ---atheist on 3/16/10

He is imaginary to you. Proven to me and will be to you.....in time.
Run, as far as you can in your closet.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---Trav on 3/17/10


\\You seem to operating with two assumptions:\\

And so forth.

atheist, you yourself are operating with two assumptions that are nothing more than negations of what you say I am assuming.

Even your statement "I believe" is nothing more than an confessional affirmation of the faith of non-faith.
---Cluny on 3/16/10


I apologize Cluny, there are many sites, but to fulfill your request and for those that might not want to websearch this out, here are some...
Zimbabwe-Brontosuarus
Hava Supai Canyon Arizona-Tyrannosaurus
Ta Prohm temple Cambodia-Stegasaurus carving
Ica Peru carvings- Segasaurus and Triceratops
and with deeper research the list keeps growing..
I'm sure you found these and others as well..
May God bless us as we search for truth.
---MIchael on 3/16/10


Thank you for the search string, Michael, but I was really wondering about the LOCATION of these reputed paintings.

Nevertheless, I'll use the information you gave.
---Cluny on 3/16/10


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It would be easier for you to research this on your own since there are so many throughout the ages all over the world.
I found quite a few honest sites just by seraching 'dinosaur cave paintings'
which led me not only to the various caves, but figurines, pottery, and artwork, all as I said from many ages and locations.
Some you may be sceptical about, but others are without doubt plus the multitude, variety, and distance between all these cultures only add to the confidence of evidence.
2 of the sites were genesispark and angelfire. They give locations and other references, such as culture, timeframe, etc.
---MIchael on 3/16/10


Trav :"You are afraid of my Imaginary Protector."

That's is just silly on so many levels...


your Imaginary Protector? Whose imagination does he protect you from?
---atheist on 3/16/10


I am not afraid to die, even though I do not believe that by believing I can live forever in 'heaven' and live with 'god'.

You apparently need to live forever in an imaginary place with an imaginary friend in order to get through your actual life?

Which one of us is really afraid?
---atheist on 3/15/10

You. You the one evading a direct answer. You are afraid of my Imaginary Protector. You should be. Cringe on,logical dodger.

Psalm 66:3
Say to God, "How awesome are your deeds! So great is your power that your enemies cringe before you.
---Trav on 3/16/10


Cluny,

You seem to operating with two assumptions:

1) That somehow somewhere there is ultimate accountability.

2) And without the threat of that ulimate accountablilty people would always behave badly, with the idea following logically that the only reason that people (including yourself?) behave well is only because of the threat of that ultimate accountability.

I believe that we have only one life, and see no indication whatsoever of the hand of any ultimate judge. There is no pretension in this.

If your believe in one gives you personal comfort, then so be it.
---atheist on 3/16/10


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\\And then there are cave paintings, artworks, and other visual accounts througout the world that describe or show renderings of specific dinosaur types\\

Can you tell us where some of these sites are, please?
---Cluny on 3/16/10


Cluny: 'atheist' believes in evolution. Thus he believes his ancestors were animals, and hence, he is an animal as well. As an animal, it necessarily follows that he is not accountable for his actions - being driven only by the primative "kill-or-be-killed" instinct.

I love your designation of his name in small quotes (as he does God). It implies that he really doesn't exist. Perhaps he doesn't. One has to wonder what attraction a Christian website holds for an atheist.
---jerry6593 on 3/16/10


\\You apparently need to live forever in an imaginary place with an imaginary friend in order to get through your actual life?\\

You're the one relying on your imagination to take away your fear of death, 'atheist'.

You're trying to pretend there is no accountability for our actions in this life--and that this life is all there is.

And you're not doing a good job of it.
---Cluny on 3/15/10


I am not afraid to die, even though I do not believe that by believing I can live forever in 'heaven' and live with 'god'.

You apparently need to live forever in an imaginary place with an imaginary friend in order to get through your actual life?

Which one of us is really afraid?
---atheist on 3/15/10


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The word 'dinosaur' was first published in 1842. What word was used before then?
The chinese word for dinosaur is 'konglong' or 'terrible dragon'.
Now there is no question that dragon descriptions throughout the world are reptilian. The Bible even uses 'dragon' as reptilian.
Biblical descriptions of leviathan and behemoth point toward what we now call dinosaurs than anything else.
And then there are cave paintings, artworks, and other visual accounts througout the world that describe or show renderings of specific dinosaur types.
Many evidences of human dinosaur coexistance.
You may want to websearch 'dinosaur human evidence' to
show many sites on this subject.
---MIchael on 3/15/10


Warwick: I understand your problem with the idea of fossils = old earth. My difficulty has been, until now, finding better information about what you mention, about the evidence of humans and dinosaurs. Could you provide some good links so I can get better info? You are correct that fossil does not mean old earth, though I think we should be polite and say that, without the Bible, it would have seemed at least reasonable. If you can help with any links, thanks a lot!
---peter3594 on 3/15/10


Trav,
How can something that doesn't exist be an enemy?

Weird...
---atheist on 3/12/10
Ha, run....as hard as you can but, you cannot escape yourself or GOD.
Really? "Weird", I call it fear. You are afraid of something that you say doesn't exist. You are hedging your logic by evading, here for example...Just in case.
You play the devils advocate by provoking/denying/undermining a Spirit Being that you state doesn't exist. Although you display fear that it may. Come out of your closet...be a worthy adversary.
---Trav on 3/15/10


As mentioned before, the world atheist gab fest is on in Melbourne Australia this month. One speaker, Prof.Richard Dawkins is infamous for ridiculing (only from a safe position) believers in God, especially those who believe God is Creator.

Scientists from Creation Ministries Australia formally challenged Dawkins et al to debate creation vs evolution, but surprize surprize they declined to do so.

Surely they would jump at the chance to show how ridiculous belief in creation is?

If you watched the Dawkins/Lennox debate you will understand why. Dawkins is very confident in his books and when interviewed by the fawning antiGod press. However the Dawkins/ Lennox debate showed he is limp when opposed by learned Christians.
---Warwick on 3/15/10


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My favourite atheist Richard Dawkins has written another antiGod book 'The Greatest Show on earth.' Dr Jonathan Sarfati, chessmaster, logician, Christian apologist, and creationist writer extroardinaire, has responded. His book is 'The Greatest Hoax on Earth-Refution Dawkins on Evolution.' You can read more at the site
the greatesthoaxonearth dot com.

I have yet to read it but can assure you it will be well researched and very usefull to any Christian, or others who want to see where the truth lies.
---Warwick on 3/15/10


\\Cluny, don't you know the Bible isn't a biological textbook? But it does have biology and science in it.\\

This is the THIRD TIME I've said the Bible is not a biological text.

But very little of what we know as any of the sciences is contained in it, because that is not its purpose.
---Cluny on 3/15/10


Jerry I believe the problem with dinosaurs, for some Christians, is that we live in a society which is soaked in long-ages/evolutionary beliefs. Notice how dinosaurs are almost always mentioned along with millions of years, as are fossils. This constant indoctrination has created a mindset which is evidenced in some blogs here. Some people cannot think of Dinosaurs or fossils without thinking of long-ages. But there is no connection.

There is plenty of evidence that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time.
---Warwick on 3/15/10


"jerry,
Do we have an evolution week somewhere in the mix?"
---earl on 3/14/10

No! Why do you ask?
---jerry6593 on 3/15/10


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Cluny, don't you know the Bible isn't a biological textbook? But it does have biology and science in it.
As for amoebae and paramecia...
Amoebae were discovered in 1757 so the word will not be in text that is 1800+ years old.
Paramecia were discovered, as far as I can find , in 1775, so once again the word is not in the Bible.
The word 'computer' once again wasn't first recorded being used until 1613, so.. not in the Bible
Let's see what they are.. both aquatic, both not plants, so they were created on day 5 according to the Bible.
Unless you think they are plants, then created on day 3.
These questions seem a bit superficial, unless they were meant to be rhetorical.
---MIchael on 3/14/10


jerry,
Do we have an evolution week somewhere in the mix?
---earl on 3/14/10


\\Cluny: "Animals were not made with the possibility of not dying."? What do you base that "simple" assumption on?
---Leon on 3/13/10\\

On the simple fact that only MANKIND was created in the "image and likeness of God." Part of this original image was the potential for not dying.

\\Cluny claims the Bible isn't a biological text, but we're ALL biological creatures of whom the Bible speaks of & to. :)?! T... parameciums.\\

But Christianity (as well as other world religions) teach that human being are not merely biological.

Please tell me exactly where the Bible refers to amoeba and paramecia (note the spelling). BCV, please.
---Cluny on 3/13/10


Wow! This is a first. I actually agree with atheist on an evolution blog (that dinosaur fossils came from dead dinosaurs). Dinosaurs were created during creation week just like all the other animals. They died during the flood just like all the other animals. Where's the mystery?
---jerry6593 on 3/14/10


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Great, plants are living according to modern biological terminology. The Bible uses different terminology for plants as it does for animals as well.
'Kinds' in the Bible may refer to family, genus, or species according to modern terminology depenfing on context.
All I'm saying is it is wrong to apply modern terminology to the Bible and not expect misinterpretations.
It would be equally wrong to translate portuguese from a spanish translation book although you may get alot of words correct.
The Bible clearly states in Gen 1:30 that those with life in them are the creatures.
Where do you think biology gets its rootsd from?
---MIchael on 3/13/10


\\cluny, The Bible is specific that only animals and people die.
You're a smart man, I challenge you to find anywhere in the Bible that a plant (grass, herb, tree, etc.) lives and/or dies.\\

I challenge you to show me how the Bible is intended as a biological textbook.

Living things carry on the Ten Life Functions, as I learned over 40 years ago in Biology 101. While I can remember only half of them (respiration, circulation, assimilation, elimination, and reproduction), both plants and animals do them all.

Therefore, plants are living.

If you insist on using the Bible as a science text, please show me where computers (which you are using) are in it.
---Cluny on 3/13/10


Leon, You may be right about men becoming flesh eaters after Cain, but Godly men didn't become flesh eaters until after the flood.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
---MIchael on 3/13/10


Atheist: I see how you'd come to that carnivorous (carnal) conclusion. :) It fits perfectly with Cluny's stmt about animals, unlike man, being created to die.

Do you think they were only "fruitful & multipled" when it wasn't breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper, snack or siesta time? The rest of the time they may've spent, 1st, trying to read Farming for Dummies & then decided it was far easier to just eat the book & each other? Was Adam the originator of the phrase, "It's a jungle out there."?

Adam had it hard farming (G3:17-19). Cain had it worst (G4:2,12). I suspect that's when men became flesh eaters. Do you suppose there's ever been a time on earth when plants (salad) weren't available? :)
---Leon on 3/13/10


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Michael: That's right, plants don't die! Plants wither away (shrivel, dry up). Only breathing creatures with souls (minds) die.

Cluny claims the Bible isn't a biological text, but we're ALL biological creatures of whom the Bible speaks of & to. :)?! The Bible is pure science/KNOWLEDGE when it comes to ALL organic matter on our planet. That includes microscopic organisms like the amoeba & parameciums.

Cluny: "Animals were not made with the possibility of not dying."? What do you base that "simple" assumption on?
---Leon on 3/13/10


cluny, The Bible is specific that only animals and people die.
You're a smart man, I challenge you to find anywhere in the Bible that a plant (grass, herb, tree, etc.) lives and/or dies.
Given that, bringing in a new definition based on modern scientific terminology provides for misinterpretations.
Gen 1:29-30 helps to explain the difference.
Based on this we can understand Gen 1:29-30, 2:16, 9:3 and other verses to their fullest.
Next, there are too many records that have been dismissed as legends by current scientific thinking of long ages that show dinosaurs and man were on Earth the same time. I didn't say prove. I said suggest. If any of these are true, then dinosaurs were on the 450'x150' four story ark.
---MIchael on 3/13/10


\\Plants don't die, since they don't have the breath of life, they wither and fade.
Bible terminology is very precise about this.\\

The Bible is NOT a biological text.

\\There is also multitudes of records that suggest that dinosaurs survived the flood, hence being on the ark.
---MIchael on 3/12/10\\

Please tell us what records say this, and where they were found in the post-diluvian world.
---Cluny on 3/12/10


debate about evolution?the logical intellect of man is what gets man in trouble seeking knowledge through experience is natural,but making assumptions based on theory are not only wrong,but stupid.for well over 100 years now darwins theory has been in print,and today our schools teach it as scientific fact.Yet to date the fossil record has never show any species in transition,nor can any living animal be found that is in transition,so in fact there is no evidence proofing his theory,strange that the whole world would believe darwin,yet reject christ,or God as the creator.
---tom2 on 3/13/10


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I would ask whats more important? amassing knowledge,or knowing truth?as a believer spiritual truth,and obidience to God are paramount,and actually all that matters.In heaven there will be no debates,whats important in life?believing jesus,then following him,be in the world but not of the world,sadly seems like everyone to a degree seems to think they can do both.
---tom2 on 3/13/10


Plants don't die, since they don't have the breath of life, they wither and fade.
Bible terminology is very precise about this.
We have no way of knowing how long between day 6 and the temptation, although the Bible seems to suggest that it was before the birth of Cain.
All land animals were made on day 6, therefore dinosaurs were made on day 6.
The flood produced most of the fossils now being uncovered, found in layers of rock laid down by water all over the world.
There is also multitudes of records that suggest that dinosaurs survived the flood, hence being on the ark.
---MIchael on 3/12/10


Leon,

Maybe animals ran out of plants to eat, or they were just not too good at farming and decided to eat each other, and so some of them ended up dead...
---atheist on 3/12/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

I think they came from dead dinosaurs... ---Atheist on 3/12/10

Brethren, I concur !! The dinosaur fossils actually came from dead dinosaurs ..... Amen
---ShawnM.T. on 3/12/10


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\\Cluny: What then do you believe brought about the death cycle of animals?
---Leon on 3/12/10\\

Simple. Animals were not made with the possibility of not dying.

Can you imagine a world filled with the amoebas that cause dysentery and their not dying?

Or are you actually thinking that even before the fall, animals and mankind did not eat something? If you do, then you disbelieve Genesis 2:16. Obvioulsy, even a plant dies if you eat it.

Think about it.
---Cluny on 3/12/10


Cluny: What then do you believe brought about the death cycle of animals?
---Leon on 3/12/10


You understand this is a question related to all the debate about evolution versus creation. Atheist, yes, I understand that, the main question is WHY did they die out, and WHEN (so I can understand better how to deal with all these ideas about them, which all seem to imply an old world idea).
---peter3594 on 3/12/10


Wikipedia has an presentation on dinosaur and fossils. I would suggest you start there and follow the embedded links to get scholarly answers to the questions.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/12/10


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\\The dinosaurs were creatures that died as a result of (after) Adam sinned. Therefore, dinosaur fossils are clearly the remains of dead, post-fall, creatures.\\

Wrong.

The "death" that came into the world was HUMAN death. After all, don't plants die when you eat them? As Adam and Eve were originally created, they had the possibility of not dying. (This is NOT the same thing as saying they were made immortal.)

BTW--Good answer, atheist.
---Cluny on 3/12/10


"Suggest"? :) God created all living creatures on earth (Genesis 1 & 2). By one man's sin, (the first man, Adam, who had dominion/power over all creatures on earth) death entered into the world. (Ro. 5:12) The dinosaurs were creatures that died as a result of (after) Adam sinned. Therefore, dinosaur fossils are clearly the remains of dead, post-fall, creatures.
---Leon on 3/12/10


I think they came from dead dinosaurs...
---atheist on 3/12/10


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