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Steveng, can you give any reason WHY anyone literally would want to MOVE a Mountain? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

So we can MOVE Oceans as well?

Didn't Jesus say that with men nothing is possible but with Christ all things are possible.

I can do all things THROUGH Christ who strengthens me..said Paul...but Paul didn't mean our physical muscles to literally MOVE mountains. If that we so at least one of the Apostles would have moved one to show us it was meant literally.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/10


Linda:

Smith Wigglesworth in A Life Ablaze With The Power Of God, by William Hacking, published by Harrison House 1995 states many LIES.

Just one example of his FALSE teachings.
Page 74
Exactly as Christ was created in Mary, so in us. The seed has to produce the manifestation of the sons of God.


WRONG!!!

1. Christ was not created in Mary. Jesus was begotten in Mary by the Holy Ghost overshadowing her. And this is not how Christ is created in us.

2. The doctrine of Manifest Sons of God is a heretical doctrine .
Smith Wigglesworth was as FALSE TEACHER Period! Therefore ANYTHING he says is a lie.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/10


Steven G, you just said that satan said the same words that are in God's Word. How far will you go? Is Satan blessed because he is been persecuted? beause he is doing a good job? What is this Steven?

Was it a remark to call me satan? go for it Steven finish your day with a good blow.
God will bless you more each day, and you will be able to prove how God is working through you to heal.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/10


look at Revelation etc, you will see it has to do with powers and principalities...Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. The WOMAN here is the Harlot!---kathr4453 on 6/21/10

Steveng,

Again, let's back up a few verses. The disciples were frustrated that they could not exorcise the devil. The lunatic was physical, and the devil is a spirit, right?

Considering the supporting text, I contend that the devil is a mountainous spiritual stronghold, thus a mountain to move.

Do you have a reason to believe that Jesus was not using metaphor and hyperbole other just an assertion by you? As Cluny pointed out, text without a context is a pretext.
---aka.joseph on 6/22/10


kathr4453: "Jesus did not mean a LITERAL MOUNTAIN."

Jesus said: "If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done."

How much more literal do you want?
---Steveng on 6/21/10




Mark_V.: "I know God. I test you and what you say,"

It's not me that you are testing, it is God for why is it when I give scripture you discount it?

Mark_V.: "If I do not agree with you I am not of God you imply."

Even when I provide you scripture, you don't believe what the Word of God says.

Mark_V.: "I do test what everyone teaches, for God tells me."

What bible do you compare what I say?

Mark_V.: ""Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake" I'm must be doing my job."

Even Satan says this.
---Steveng on 6/21/10


//Yet, Wigglesworth's wife and child died, of which he could not heal them or raise them from the dead.//

I've heard a different story concerning the death of Mrs. Wigglesworth. Supposedly, she said, "It's my time. Let me go."

Whether or not this actually happened is unimportant. So long as Jesus tarries and delays His return, there will be a time to die.

But it's only temporary. We look for the time when death is no more.
---Cluny on 6/21/10


//Yet, Wigglesworth's wife and child died, of which he could not heal them or raise them from the dead.//

Kathr, I wonder if you have even read the books on Smith Wigglesworth's life or if you just took someone else's word. He did raise his wife from the dead. Go ahead, look it up. I challenge you.
---Linda on 6/21/10


""Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake" I'm must be doing my job."

I must be doing mine too, and well enough to have you continue to say that I said things I didn't utter. I never claimed:

~to save myself. Jesus reconciled me by His death and saved me by His life. Now I appropriate His life in every aspect.
~that you don't have faith. We have all been given THE measure of faith. Faith must be exercised.
~that I control God. I believe what God says and act on that. That is faith. God performs His Word.

Your continued ascribing to me things I never said tells me that you have to misquote me to prove me false.
---Linda on 6/21/10


Steven G, I do not test God. I know God. I test you and what you say, I do not know you other then what you say. And notice, I never have questioned your faith but you and those others questioned mine. If I do not agree with you I am not of God you imply. You stand in line with Miche, Eloy, Fay, Linda, Alan and Trav. Most believe they save themselves with their own power, why not use that same power to heal who they want and control God.
What is happening is that there is more false teachers on line then before. I do test what everyone teaches, for God tells me.
"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake" I'm must be doing my job.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10




Linda, It is you that I have questioned. So far you have healed no infants or children who have cancer with your 100% successful rate? Or visited any hospitals to heal people.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10

Wigglesworth was another and where most of this started. He claimed he raised the dead.. he would just muster up enough faith to do it.

Yet, Wigglesworth's wife and child died, of which he could not heal them or raise them from the dead.

God does not say how High when we say JUMP. God is not some force you can snap your fingers at and say HEALED!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/21/10


Linda, It is you that I have questioned. So far you have healed no infants or children who have cancer with your 100% successful rate? Or visited any hospitals to heal people.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10


Well I'll take your fervent prayer anytime Linda. And I'll pray with you, or for you. We all die....it's the manner of how we have lived that is important.
Psalm 119:86
All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully, help thou me.
Psalm 143:1
Hear my prayer, O LORD, give ear to my supplications: in thy faithfulness answer me, and in thy righteousness.
---Trav on 6/21/10


// Genuine Christians believe in the power of God.//

Really? Do you? And you don't believe the power of God is greater than mortal flesh, even though His Word says it quickens the mortal body? Wow. I marvel.
---Linda on 6/17/10

Hosea 2:20
I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

Habakkuk 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

We "Know" them by the question of the parables.....and the prophets.
---Trav on 6/21/10


All this silly talk about moving mountains. Jesus did not mean a LITERAL MOUNTAIN. Mountains in scripture...look at Revelation etc, you will see it has to do with powers and principalities. And YES, we can through faith not only move them out of our way, but rise above them altogether.

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. The WOMAN here is the Harlot!
---kathr4453 on 6/21/10


Linda, I do take the passages very serious. You said,
"Again I ask, how can you take that word spoken to unregenerated Pharisees and not take the word spoken to disciples?"
I study the context. Here the messages was given to the disciples. I do not argue that at all. Nowhere in that context though does it say for all ages "The message in 17-18 the signs and wonders were promised to the apostolic community (Matt. 10:1, 2 Cor. 12:12), not to all believers in all ages (1 Cor. 12:29,30)." All (with the exception of drinking poison were experienced by some in the apostolic church and reported in Scripture (Acts 28:5), but not afterward (v. 20). Not until Charles Finney revived them.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10


One of the greatest things that I have learned from God is this: "To remain aloof". [Do not allow the wicked man to drag you down]. Thank You my Lord and My God....How little we know. Ahh.
---catherine on 6/20/10


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Linda, You keep going, arguing just because I question what you say you can do, not what is in Scripture, or what Jesus told the apostles they were going to do in which they did. I do not question the words of Christ. It is you that I have questioned. So far you have healed no infants or children who have cancer with your 100% successful rate? Or visited any hospitals to heal people. The passage on signs is not even needed, there is none. It is all talk.When you say, don't go see doctors or get examines is a serious matter, at least take it serious. Lets hope you never need a doctor to open you up for treatment of cancer or other health issues. You will be found like my sister refusing to take the blood in order to live, and you will die.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10


//Again: "Only a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign."//

There you go again, using scripture from the gospels to prove YOUR point. Well, if that scripture can be applied to Steven, then so can, "And these signs shall follow them that believe: in MY NAME they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, they shall lay their hands on the sick and they shall recover, they shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them."

Again I ask, how can you take that word spoken to unregenerated Pharisees and not take the word spoken to disciples? So, which is it? Do the gospels pertain to us or not? You didn't answer me the last time I asked.
---Linda on 6/20/10


Mark_V.: "So I ask did you ever move a mountain? Simple...since you said getting the baptism moves mountains. You said greater works then Jesus, I mentioned Jesus never moved a mountain, you say greater works, so I asked a simple question. If you think you can do greater then Jesus in power proof it."

Why do you continually test God? Again: "Only a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign." If you and I were of the same spirit, you would know me. But we are not of the same spirit, because you continually seek a sign to prove God is working through me. You continually push for an answer and I repeat my replies. If you are not satisfied with my answer, turn your question toward God.
---Steveng on 6/19/10


Trav, I am not affraid of your threats, get in line with those who hate the Truth. I ignore you prophetic explanations, since you think killing millions of Jews in the ovens by Hitler was the right thing to do. That tells me what is in your heart, and the spirit that is moving you to say such things of women and children who suffered great pain through the Holocaust. That spirit is not of God. Greater is He that is in me that he who is in the world. So no, I am not afraid of you.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/10


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Steven G, you need help to help you interpret Scripture, your interpretation of mountains are wrong .
---Mark_V. on 6/18/10

An interpreting lesson from a self appointed rabbi, who cannot see to put two witness scriptures together. Who claims the Holy Spirit but,ignores the prophetic vessels explaining.
Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Luke 6:39
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
---Trav on 6/19/10


Steven G, here is what you said,
" out into the world to spread the gospel. And they rarely go beyond water baptism to experience the Holy Spirit baptism - the baptism that prepares a person to do greater works than Jesus, the baptism that will move mountains."
The baptism that will move mountains you said. You said greater works then Jesus. So I ask did you ever move a mountain? Simple. Do you know of anyone who has? simple question since you said getting the baptism moves mountains. You said greater works then Jesus, I mentioned Jesus never moved a mountain, you say greater works, so I asked a simple question. You get mad because I ask the question. If you think you can do greater then Jesus in power proof it.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/10


Steven G, you need help to help you interpret Scripture, your interpretation of mountains are wrong .
Mark 11:23, that you quoted, you said it was literal. The expression was related to a common metaphor of that day, "rooter up of mountains" which was used in Jewish literature of great rabbis and spiritual leaders who could solve difficult problems and seemingly do the impossible. Obviously Jesus did not literally uproot mountains, in fact, He refused to do such spectacular miracles for the unbelieving Jewish leaders (Matthew 12:38), Jesus point is that if believers sincerely trust in God and truly realize the unlimited power that is available through such faith in Him, they will see His mighty powers at work.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/10


// Genuine Christians believe in the power of God.//

Really? Do you? And you don't believe the power of God is greater than mortal flesh, even though His Word says it quickens the mortal body? Wow. I marvel.
---Linda on 6/17/10


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//Mark_V.: "When I made my comment on "wicked generation" It was not from Scripture but from my own opinion."//

So, that's how you work around that. Good strategy. You used the Scripture, "A wicked and perverse generation seeks after a sign" to imply that those who believed that signs were to follow believers were an adulterous generation. Then you furthered your cause by saying they speak against the truth. But the fact is that you can use none of the gospels to prove your point if none of them have anything to do with us now. Besides, I am not seeking after signs. They confirm the Word preached and follow the believer. I don't have to look for something following me.
---Linda on 6/17/10


//You are using "mountains" as a metaphor. When Jesus spoke, he was using "mountain" as literal.// Steveng

Let's back up a few verses. The disciples were frustrated that they could not exorcise the devil. The lunatic was physical, and the devil is a spirit, right?

Considering the supporting text, I contend that the devil is a spiritual stronghold. Do you have a reason to believe that Jesus was not using metaphor and hyperbole other just an assertion?

You can isolate that verse if you want, and take it literally. That is a very common practice in the western world, but if you consider the text around it and if you understand middle eastern use of metaphor and hyperbole, you might reconsider.
---aka.joseph on 6/17/10


There you go again, twisting someone's post again. When will you ever stop?

Mark_V.: "In fact Jesus never mentioned that if you got baptize you could move a mountain."

I wrote that if you have enough faith you can move mountains, I didn't say baptise. But, of course, one should be, eh?

Mark_V.: "At least I never read it, so no, I'm not calling Jesus a liar. I am saying your statement was not true."

Read and repent...
Matthew 17:20
Mark 11:23
1 Corinthians 13:2
---Steveng on 6/17/10


Mark_V.: "When I made my comment on "wicked generation" It was not from Scripture but from my own opinion."

Stop leaning on your own wisdom/opinion and read the bible and the words of Jesus for it is the Word of God. Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 6/17/10


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aka.joseph: "I understand mountains are strongholds and/or obstacles in our life that seem impassible. I do no think Jesus had strongholds in His life, but He had obstacles every second. The biggest one would be death, which He also succeeded in hurdling."

You are using "mountains" as a metaphor. When Jesus spoke, he was using "mountain" as literal.

Mark 11:23
"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he saith."
---Steveng on 6/17/10


//have you ever moved a mountain? The incarnated Jesus never did.//

I understand mountains are strongholds and/or obstacles in our life that seem impassible. I do no think Jesus had strongholds in His life, but He had obstacles every second. The biggest one would be death, which He also succeeded in hurdling.

We have obstacles and strongholds, but He did say by the power vested in the Spirit we will do greater things than Him.
---aka.joseph on 6/17/10


Steven G, I'll answer again. Jesus did not make the statement you quoted. He never mentioned if you got baptized you could move a mountain. I never call Christ a liar, but I call you information wrong. I do not believe you try to deceive others, but that you just do not know sometimes what you are talking about. Why not do a web-search as you tell others on Baptism. When I made my comment on "wicked generation" It was not from Scripture but from my own opinion.
You also said, " Christians know about God, but deny his power"
I believe that to be true since many here on line, give more credit to the devil, than to God. Genuine Christians believe in the power of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/10


Steven G, Jesus did not quote what you quoted. Read the Scripture and then read what you said. In fact Jesus never mentioned that if you got baptize you could move a mountain. At least I never read it, so no, I'm not calling Jesus a liar. I am saying your statement was not true. I don't think you are a liar, because it would mean you are trying to deceive by giving the wrong information. I do not think you are trying to deceive, I think you just don't know the Truth and you just talk alot of negative stuff about Christians. On your last statemen, I wasn't quoting Scripture. I was speaking for myself.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/10


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MarkV, if the wicked and adulterous generation seeking after a sign (found in the four gospels) pertains to us, then so do the words spoken to the disciples. I marvel that you would even come close to making that Scripture about us when you say the words spoken to the disciples and pertaining to healing the sick, casting out devils, speaking with new tongues, etc. do not pertain to us. I tell you, I would take what Jesus said to a disciple (which I am) before I would take what He said to those who rejected Him (which I am not). Your method of justifying yourself is twisted. Either the gospels pertain to us fully or they don't at all.
---Linda on 6/17/10


From the way it appears, you use the words of Jesus only to prove what you do believe and then say they are "outdated" when they prove what you don't believe. The proof is always in the testimony. I have many of those and they continue to multiply not only in my life but in the lives of others as I give them.
---LindaS on 6/17/10


MarkV: "How is that? Is that ok with you."

For the umpteenth time, I don't care what you do. That's between you and God. But if you REST every day [note: two words, not one] then you are still breaking God's [not my] Commandment, because He said "six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work." And besides, in all of Scripture, only one day was made holy by God - the seventh-day Sabbath. What you do with God's Commandments is up to you, but as for me, I'm content to keep the day that Jesus and all His disciples kept. If I were Spanish, I'd call that day Sabado.
---jerry6593 on 6/17/10


Mark_V.: "Since you made that statement, all I wanted from you was to confirm what you said. An til now I have not seen any mountains moved by anyone baptism, not even yours. So your statement, as many is not true."

Then you are calling Jesus a liar for that's what HE said.

Mark_V.: "Then you said,
"Only a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign."
I believe only a wicked and adulterous generation, speak against the Truth."

There you go again, twisting verses.
---Steveng on 6/16/10


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Steven G, I am not looking for signs of the future. I read Scripture and know that God has already seen His complete plan all at one time. I'm very happy to know He knows what is going to happen already. He is always right. You mention that if people got baptized they could move mountains, so I ask how many have you moved? Or have you seen anyone move any. Since you made that statement, all I wanted from you was to confirm what you said. An til now I have not seen any mountains moved by anyone baptism, not even yours. So your statement, as many is not true.
Then you said,
"Only a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign."
I believe only a wicked and adulterous generation, speak against the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/10


Steven G, you said many things but one you said,
"Mark_V.: "Another thing, when a genuine Christian is saved, they are baptized into one body."
That's true when you are talking about genuine Christian (a rarety in today's world), but what body are you talking about? Baptist, Catholics, Lutherans?"

Steven, the body of Christ. What other body is there? They come from every corner of the world. Where Christ is the head of that body. That is what spiritual baptism is by the Holy Spirit.
When you say (a rarety in today's world) How do you know who is save and who is not? Can you see their hearts? Are you save? and are you sure? Have you made your assurance sure?
---Mark_V. on 6/16/10


jerry6593, (6/9/10-to MarkV--blah blah blah) Is that a Christian way to write to a brother?
---Reba on 6/15/10


Mark_V.: "Jesus is so wonderful that we can rest one day or everyday in Him."

Although we are the worship him every day of the week, all God wants is to sacrifice only one day a week for Him. That one day is imperitive in today's world, but christians fill up every minute of every day with family, friends, school, work, church, entertainment, shopping, computers, TV, radio, ipods, bible study, etc. that they don't have enough time to deveop a true relationship with God. Christians know about God, but deny his power. Christians know that they should love, but don't know HOW to apply it.
---Steveng on 6/15/10


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Mark_V.: "Another thing, when a genuine Christian is saved, they are baptized into one body."

That's true when you are talking about genuine Christian (a rarety in today's world), but what body are you talking about? Baptist, Catholics, Lutherans? There are a few Lutherans who would rather die than get baptised in a Catholic church. Most christians belong to some sort of denominaional church instead of Christ's true church.

Mark_V.: "They do not have to do works to be baptized into one body."

That's true, but works come AFTER the baptism.
---Steveng on 6/15/10


Mark_V.: "Third, have you ever moved a mountain?"

You will never know, but even if I did, you will find some way to discredit it, wouldn't you.

Mark_V.: "The incarnated Jesus never did."

He was too busy performing more important miracles, like healing.

Mark_V.: "Or have you seen anyone move one? I haven't. When you do move one, i will hear in the news that a mountain has moved, and I will know it is your baptism that moved it."

Only a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign.
---Steveng on 6/15/10


Mark ... YES
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/15/10


Jerry, since Sunday or Saturday was not stated by God anywhere in Scripture as the Sabbath day, I will continue to worship, learn, and fellowship with the brothers and sisters everyday of the week if possible. How is that? Is that ok with you. Jesus is so wonderful that we can rest one day or everyday in Him.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/10


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Steven G, your first post was right on, but do you not believe that those people who you say do not do anything in church for thirty years might not be saved?
Could be they never had a conversion. Because as I see it, if you are born of the Spirit, you would want to know God every single day more and more. If they don't, then there has been no change. Another thing, when a genuine Christian is saved, they are baptized into one body. They do not have to do works to be baptized into one body. Third, have you ever moved a mountain? The incarnated Jesus never did. Or have you seen anyone move one? I haven't. When you do move one, i will hear in the news that a mountain has moved, and I will know it is your baptism that moved it.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/10


MarkV: "Sunday was stated in the Word of God under the New Testament."

"Sunday is not in Scripture"

Which statement shall we believe?

Let's agree then to call the seventh day of the week what it is called in scripture - the Sabbath day, and to observe it as the disciples did:

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
---jerry6593 on 6/15/10


Jerry, here was my answer that you seem to have not seen or avoided to make sure you put down, blah blah blah.
"Jerry, now you get it. This is the reason why I have argued your point. When I made the statement you didn't agree with my view, so I gave you one as you gave me so that you can see that your view is not in Scripture and neither is mine."
I made the claim to show you that making claims does not mean they are true. You insisted Saturday came from God, I told you show me. You couldn't. So I did the same to you. Sunday is not in Scripture, neither is Saturday. No day by name is mentioned by God, only that it was the Seventh day. Get over it.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/10


2 Tim 2:15 STUDY to show yourself approved of God, a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly DIVIDING the word of truth
---michael_e on 6/14/10


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There is one word that all other commandments hang upon - love. It is the one word that will get you into heaven. Do an online KJV bible search for "love," "one another," "each other," and "comfort" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational churches (which are a product of Satan). Fellowship daily with other believers. Love will overcome the carnal mind, worldliness, despair, pride, Satan's attacks. Love will help you deal with lust, control your tongue, handle spiritual trails, suffering, and stress. Love (the armour of God) will maintain hope and enter into Jesus' rest and protect you from the tribulations that are soon to come and is.
---Steveng on 6/10/10


Love is not static. It is alive today as it was back in Jesus' day. Too many christians sit in their pews in their denominational churches week in and week out - many times for twenty to thirty years - becoming only hearers of the Word and rarely are trained to go out into the world to spread the gospel. And they rarely go beyond water baptism to experience the Holy Spirit baptism - the baptism that prepares a person to do greater works than Jesus, the baptism that will move mountains.

Most christians know about God, but deny his power. Most christians know about love, but don't know HOW to apply it.
---Steveng on 6/10/10


Stan asked: How to grow IN THE LORD. Well, by first being IN THE LORD.

But here's an example:

One can learn about someone by reading, correct. I can learn about Julia Roberts if I read and ask enough people about her, however, that doesn't make me KNOW HER. I personally cannot GROW in any personal relationship with her.

Jesus prayed in John 17, that we may KNOW GOD. The word KNOW here is that same as when Adam KNEW Eve.

Once you KNOW God through Jesus Christ, then you will have an experience saying ABBA FATHER. It's Abba Daddy who, at least with me, revealed Himself to me in the most intimate ways, as He taught me how to walk. How HE held me, and revealed His Words which are spirit to me. TOTAL TRUST is the answer!
---kathr4453 on 6/9/10


Believers really miss the mark when it comes to being like Jesus. Jesus is God. To know God you must know His Son. To know His Son you must know God. It surely is not going around all day smiling, talking so sweet as though butter could melt in one's mouth, while Satan and his demons does their dirty work in the world. Those are your hypocrites. I know, I have a family full of them. I believe that a few true believers is like Jesus, because, so few takes the time to know God, and this means spending a whole lot of time with the living God, my friend. Some believers will not get into heaven, because they are not putting God before family and friends.
---catherine on 6/9/10


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MarkV: Blah, blah, blah. Chapter and Verse, Mark, Chapter and verse. You made the claim that "Sunday was stated in the Word of God under the New Testament." Give the Chapter and Verse or have the integrity to simply admit that you were wrong. Then we can discuss your other trivia.
---jerry6593 on 6/9/10


My best advice is to first know who God is. Learn His attributes, His character and His nature. All that you can find about God and who He is. Once you have learned that, memorize it. Do not compromise God's nature, attributes, or character for anything or anyone. And when you read a passage, that passage has to conform to who God is. If for any reason your interpretation does not agree with who God is, you have interpreted the passage wrong. God centered theology is base on God alone. Base on His word alone, committed to faith alone, devoted to Jesus Christ alone. In this view, Man is viewed as lower then God because he is a sinful created being. Never sustitute man over God. If you do, you will always be wrong.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


As a new christians:
start with:
VERY BASIC TEACH*ING

1: Start by knowing why the bible is true
2: Know the creation story
3: know the fall story
4: know the plan of salvation

THEN THE IMTERMEDIATE STUFF

1: Basic sanctuary study
2: basic prophecy study
3: Millilium study
4: Study of new heaevn and new earth

MORE ADVANCE
1: 2300 days prophecy
2: revelation study: mark of the best, end
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---francis on 6/8/10


Jerry, now you get it. This is the reason why I have argued your point. When I made the statement you didn't agree with my view, so I gave you one as you gave me so that you can see that your view is not in Scripture and neither is mine.
Arguing for something not there is useless. No where did God say Saturday or Sunday. The Seventh Day was never mention to be anyone day, but on the Seventh after you have work on six, was man to rest from his labors and rest on the Sabbath. Since this was a shadow of things to come, which was in the Spirit Christ, we now rest in Christ. In Galatians 3 the statement is made that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by being made a curse for us.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


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Jerry 2:
In the context, in Galatians 3:10 the thought is brought out, based on the quotation from Deuteronomy 27:26, that everyone is cursed who does not perfectly keep the law. The argument is that the law's effect on man is that of cursing him because of incomplete obedience. No man is able to live up to the Law perfectly. In addition to this argument, Paul points out that Justification is by faith and not by the law in any event. As a curse rest upon everyone who does not comply fully with the law, it was necessary for Christ to die and take the curse upon Himself. This was fulfilled in keeping with Deuteronomy 21:23 that the curse is upon One who hangs upon a tree.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


MarkV: On another blog (now closed) you wrote: "Sunday was stated in the Word of God under the New Testament."
---MarkV. on 6/7/10

Please provide chapter and verse. I'd love to see that, especially from the guy who claims that since the word "Saturday" is not in the Bible, he's free to break the Ten Commandment Law.
---jerry6593 on 6/8/10


Donna: Good list! I would insert a line or two between nos. 6 & 7 to include repentance (or sorrow) for sin, turning away from it, and prayer for grace (power) to be obedient and overcome it.

Rev 3:21 To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
---jerry6593 on 6/7/10


Great work Donna. Very good lessons for today and always. If people will just copy them down and put them someplace where they can see them daily and use them. Thank you sister for the lessons, blessings
---MarkV. on 6/6/10


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With me it took God several years before He began in this growth thing. Spiritual maturity, takes time. Longer for some than for others. He got me late in life. He had a lot of cleaning up to do. Some things I wanted Him to change, but, He liked. So, He'll leave it. It is God who will change you. It won't happen over night. But, He'll change you to make you pleasing to Him. He has been rough on me, at times. There were times I would tell Him, "I am going to go right out of my mind"! He would say, "You won't". And I don't. His disciplines, has bee rough on me. I'll make no bones about it.
---catherine on 6/6/10


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---Gene on 6/6/10


You will never experience God and His power, unless you go through trials and tribulations. Growth you will have, too, in abundance, yes! We have no power of our own, no strength of our own to serve God. You cannot serve God in the flesh. It takes no strength to serve Satan, it only takes a whole lot of stupidity, my freinds. Won't you get wise today? Began serving God in the Spirit, God's spirit, is so very powerful, the wicked man know not of, yes. Ahhh.... My heavenly Father in the name of Jesus, what a priviledge it is to know You, and to serve You. And I thank You. Amen.
---catherine on 4/21/10


Donna,

"1) Talk to God and pour out your heart to Him"?.

Leave it to a woman to understand the secret of spiritual growth and devotion (love, God is LOVE).

Who was it that Jesus declared shall be remembered throughout all time because of their love?...John 12:3.

Who was it that changed Jesus's mind on the spot?....Luke 7:50.

REAL circumcision/devotion is not LITERARY, it is a matter of the heart.....

Romans 2:29
"real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal".

Spiritual growth doesn't come from hoping to impress God with LITERARY SKILLS, it comes from...

1) faith FOR FAITH (Romans 1:17).

2) LOVE (God is LOVE).


---more_excellent_way on 4/20/10


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Be in services when the doors are open, pray every day, pray - fasting some, Bible reading, fellowship, being a witness.

Stay away from the things of the world such as social drinks, spending your money on movies & to see sports, smokes, club-dancing etc because it says here 1st.John 2 v's 16 - 16.

The devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 being like the pied-piper play his deceiving tunes will try to tell other wise.
---Lawrence on 4/13/10


I agree with amny of the statements.
---Brian on 3/16/10


By studying the word of God and renewing your mind you grow in the Lord. You must always fellowship with him and pray without ceasing.

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---shary on 3/16/10


Well, I think Donna gave us a good sharing on this. I'd emphasize knowing who the real Jesus people are, so you can feed on their example of how to get with God and how to be and relate in love in the Holy Spirit. This will be the living meaning of what you read in the Bible (c:

But always be able to test, in case even our good examples are wrong, at times. And a really good pastor expects you to check him out and challenge him, at times, in order to help him. So, make sure you realize your prayer and caring helps even the ones who are great in the faith. We all need each other (c: God bless you (c:
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/16/10


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Stan, this is a question that can't be answered in 125 words, but I'll try.
1) Talk to God and pour out your heart to Him.
2) Worship Him daily
3) Paise Him for who He is, for what He has done.
4) Study the word diligently. Psalm 1 says we are to meditate in the word day and night, it's our guide to life.
5) Be real with God, He desires truth in the innermost being, so if you're angry with someone, tell God and ask for healing.
6) Confess your sins as the Holy Spirit convicts you.
7) Go to bible studies and find a church that teaches the word of God.
8) Learn from your trials
9) Don't blame God for anything that goes wrong, it's not His fault. We are the ones with the flaws in us.
---Donna on 3/16/10


"How do you grow in the Lord as a new Christian?"

From faith -the conviction that He exist -to faith- a confident assurance that His Word is Truth- and that He is a rewarder of those that make an effort to know Him.
---joseph on 3/16/10


Well, I am sure not gonna lie about it, and try to be so Christiany. I DON'T KNOW!
---catherine on 3/16/10


the best advice I can give is to read ,and live john 14/21 everyday of your life.
---tom2 on 3/16/10


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AHHH!, you speak of GROWTH...that would be SPIRITUAL growth, "MATURITY".

We read the introductory/elementary doctrine of Christ (scripture) and are taught that it is a spiritual authority. Scripture is used to 'train' babes in Christ (men of the FLESH) to renounce irreligion and worldly passions...

Titus 2:12
"training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions".

2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for TRAINING"....

...("divine training", 1 Timothy 1:4).

Hebrews 6:1
"Therefore let us leave the elementary DOCTRINE OF CHRIST and go on to MATURITY".
---more_excellent_way on 3/15/10


Only JESUS hung on the cross. JESUS alone should become our spiritual authority, no longer should we consider scripture our authority or trainer if we go ahead to maturity. Only in that way should we "leave" scripture (we must still "abide in" it).....

Matthew 28:18
"ALL AUTHORITY".

2 John verse 9
"Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ DOES NOT HAVE GOD, he who abides in the doctrine HAS BOTH the Father AND the Son".

At first, we are trained by SCRIPTURE to learn about devotion to God, but then we must move on ("go ahead") to maturity in Christ and let God's SPIRIT be our trainer while we still "abide in" scripture.
---more_excellent_way on 3/15/10


I am Orthodox, so I answer from that perspective.

1) Study/Mediate on Holy Scriptures.
2) Study/Mediate on the writings of the Holy Fathers (i.e., Early Church Fathers) and especially the Holy Councils of those spiritual Elders/Holy Monks of the Holy Mountain of Athos and others (The Letters and Homilies of Elder Joseph the Hesychast, Elder Ephraim, Elder Pasios, among others).
3) Read the Lives of the Saints
4) Participate in the Sacramental Life of the Church, partake of the Holy Mysteries (Divine Eucharist) frequently. The Divine Liturgy is an entry into heaven to be with God and His angels.
5) Pray and Fast.
6) Commit yourself to the Holy Life. "Faith without works is dead," says St. James

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/15/10


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