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Brethren, When we're Judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world : and if we would judge & examine ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Cor.11:18-32.

Only God can Judge whether a person is "Saved" or not, and we'd all do well to heed to the warning of avoiding to play the devils Prideful games of trying to figure out whether a person is "Saved" or not. It's only designed to waste our time by being more concerned with the mote in our neighbors eye, than we are with the beam in their own eye : All of which keeps us from examining & tending to the Lord's Chastening of ourselves.

Grace Unto All & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 3/24/10


Jesus Commands: "Judge righteous judgment." John 7:24.
---Eloy on 3/24/10


"One thing I love about Armenians, they NEVER play such nasty games, and are more GODLY than anyone on here whether we all agree or not." (Karhr)

Then, I'll suggest you take a lesson from them, since you have not been acting GODLY in these blogs, spreading lies about other Christians, bashing Eastern Orthodox Christians, Catholics, etc. I bet they won't play such NASTY games.

"Doesn't sound like Donna66 and kathr are having any such issues mary is falsely accusing me of!!!"

It is funny how you dislike when people bash you and falsely accuse you, yet you have just bashed and falsely accused us Eastern Orthodox Christians.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


Sometimes yes!
Part of a good gospel presentation is to use the law in order to explain guilt, sinfulness, and the inability to please God through works *1. And to then explain, that God sent his sinless son Jesus to (who only could) die in our place. And by accepting this sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, and depending on Him to save us, we too can be sons *2. It is the Lords desire that all would be saved *3.
*1 1John 2:18, 22, 4:3, 2John 1:7.
*2 Matthew 7:13-14, John 10.
*3 1Timothy 2:4-6, 2Peter 3:9, 15.
---Glenn on 3/23/10


"If you can't get the difference between Armenian and Arminian, can we expect you to grasp the distinction between Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox? " (Cluny)

So this is where the problem is. She has falsely accused us of being Eastern Catholics. Now I get it.

Cluny, if she can't spell your name right, how can you expect her to learn the difference between Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox or Armenian and Arminian?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10




Which is what I was saying--there are very few "CHURCHES" that can lead a person to Christ. Only the Holy Spirit can move a person to repent, pick up his cross and follow our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.
---FatherBrendan on 3/23/10

Thank you brother for expounding on what you are truly trying to say.
This is very true but many on here do teach falsehoods. They say that the Holy Spirit has to be in you first before you can even be saved. It wonderful to see the truth being told.
---miche3754 on 3/24/10


Cluney, thank you. Let me say this again CORRECTLY


It's the ARMINIAN that are really nice here.


But as for Armenians:

Before Christianity, Armenians adhered to a polytheistic religion. Even after the adaption of Christianity many pockets of Armenians maintained non-Christian beliefs.

In 301 AD, Armenia adopted Christianity as a state religion, becoming the first nation to do so. It established a Church that still exists independently of both the Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox churches, having become so in 451 AD as a result of its excommunication by the Council of Chalcedon. Today this church is known as the Armenian Apostolic Church, which is a part of the Oriental Orthodox communion.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/10


Now I say, what was it he said? Oh yes!
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

You yourselves prove this to me everyday!
Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:
Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

And add this!
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Because he said: I tell you, Nay
Is he the one doing it?
Where is his church?
---TheSeg on 3/23/10


\\What Mr... and Cluny won't tell you: stating here before that SALVATION is found only in THIS Apostolic Church.\\

Nor will we ever say things you accuse us of, kathr. All you are doing is proving my point--your motives are NOT pure. And we all know who the father of slander is.

\\So who are these "other" Catholics? They have their own hierarchies and liturgies, as well as their own distinct apostolic lineages. ...\\

If you can't get the difference between Armenian and Arminian, can we expect you to grasp the distinction between Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox? (Especially if all you do is cult and paste from the web, as I see you have done. I recognized the quote.)
---Cluny on 3/23/10


\\cluney, I KNOW and realize you are a desciple and follower of MR. Brendan.\\

\\Cluney, just so you know I am not ignorant about world history,\\

\\so Cluney are you BOASTING of your Armenian roots ..\\

kathr, your what don't you know about world history and English spelling, especially the difference between ArmEnian and ArmInian are exceeded only by what you don't know about me.

Better to be silent and thought ignorant than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Courtesy demands you address someone as s/he wishes to be addressed.

But following your rules, I cannot call you "Katherine", because "Katharos" means "pure," and your motives clearly are not pure.
---Cluny on 3/23/10




Ignatius, you do well not to respond to her charges. She seems to think she knows everything in detail, by looking topics on the internet, and with her wild stories puts something together to attack you personally first, then your religion or theology. Another person, Miche, seems to agree with her tactics and see nothing wrong in what she does. Acting as the standard of truth for all human beings. Her opinions don't mean a bag of beans.
---Bobby-1 on 3/23/10


"To take the Apostles and make Churches after them is not Biblical." (Kathr)

We are talking about those Churches which have a direct linage to one or more of the Holy Apostles, according to Historical documents. If one has study Holy Scriptures, one will know that Saint Paul traveled and started churches in different areas, in which he personally ordained Bishops/Presbyters, to look after the Apostolic Church he started (Titus 1:5, 1 Timothy 1:3-4, etc). Saint Timothy was ordained by Saint Paul as Bishop of Ephesus.

Only a few Churches today can make a historical claim of having a Apostolic origin, and only one of them have kept the Apostolic Faith uncorrupted.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


The Eastern Orthodox Church is not in union with the Roman Catholic Church. She has been separated from us for 1,000 years. We do not believe in the Roman Papacy and many of Rome's doctrine and practices. Beware of Kathr. She will lie to get her way and prove a point.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


"They may look and act like Eastern Orthodox churches, but they recognize the pope of Rome as the head of the visible Church on earth and have suffered for the cause of that unity. " (Kathr)

Which is a lie, and you know it. Why do you condemn us and pass false witness against us? But I must accept this. Christ said his followers will be persecuted.

We DO NOT recognized the Roman Pope as Head!

Act like a Christian and stop lieing about us.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


Father Brenden, thank you for explaining what Apostolic origin you were talking about. When you said Apostolic origin I thought you meant Pentacostal Church. Which calls itself Apostolic Church.
I'm sorry to disagree with you that life in Christ can only be found at your 12 Apostle Church. If it was so, then we would not need the Holy Spirit, all we had to do was to join your church.

Ignatius, you are correct in your interpretations on the verses concerning the word "father". I want you to know I do not agree with many of the doctrines put forth by the RCC or Arminians'. But respect for how you respond to others, so I will take care to respect you also.
---MarkV. on 3/23/10


"As far as getting "saved," that is not the right question. The only Churches I know that can lead to a life lived for Christ are indeed those of Apostolic origin. "
---FatherBrendan on 3/22/10

\\Is that what the Bible says, though, brother?

Nope, that is not what Jesus said at all.
He said "whosoever will, pick up his cross,deny self, and FOLLOW ME". //

Which is what I was saying--there are very few "CHURCHES" that can lead a person to Christ. Only the Holy Spirit can move a person to repent, pick up his cross and follow our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.
---FatherBrendan on 3/23/10


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The Armenians are one of the Apostolic Churches, originally evangelized by St. Bartholomew, and have suffered much for their loyalty to Christ.

It was the Armenian genocide committed by the Turks because they were Christians that gave Hitler his idea for the "final solution."

He himself said, "Who talks about the Armenians anymore?"
---Cluny on 3/23/10


so Cluney are you BOASTING of your Armenian roots ..the TRUE Apostolic Church that only salvation can be found in? CLOSELY connected to RCC? Right! Got it!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


#2

Cluney, just so you know I am not ignorant about world history, I will say you last comment left me laughing. In Europe RELIGION ruled empires, and any wars etc, were in fact not political wars but RELIGIOUS POLITICAL wars.

To take the Apostles and make Churches after them is not Biblical. Paul never established the Apostolic Church of St. Paul. Hes roll over in his grave if that were so.

The Ottoman rule that murdered Armenians were in fact Islamic Rulers if I am not mistaken, doing so because many Armenians were loyal to Russia.

What does this have to do with the blog question? Or were you just tooting your horn that we should all be bowing down to you and Mr. ?
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


\\cluney, I KNOW and realize you are a desciple and follower of MR. Brendan.\\

Why are you continuing to use the prefix Mr., which is against the Bible?

What would you do were I to tell you you've got things backwards?

As a matter of fact, we are both disciples of and followers of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.

Whom do you follow?

Btw--you'd be taken more seriously if you could spell properly.
---Cluny on 3/23/10


Kathr,

The problem with you is that you wish to take Christ's words in Matthew 23:8-10 literally, even though His disciples and Early Christians didn't. You say you can't call anyone "Father" except your Heavenly Father, then you go on let's say we can call our earthly "father" "father". Which one is it? If you wish to take Christ's words literally, then we can't do that either.

The word "Father" and "Child" was used by the Holy Apostles, not always denoting a blood relation (i.e., Acts 7:2, 22:1, 14, 1 John 2:13, 1 Cor. 4:15, 1 Cor. 4:17, Phil. 2:22, Philemon 10, 1 Tim. 1:2,18).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


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Please print this one. omit the other two please.


What Mr... and Cluny won't tell you: stating here before that SALVATION is found only in THIS Apostolic Church.

The Apostolic Church of Mr...and Cluney. The OTHER Catholic Church...


So who are these "other" Catholics? They have their own hierarchies and liturgies, as well as their own distinct apostolic lineages. They may look and act like Eastern Orthodox churches, but they recognize the pope of Rome as the head of the visible Church on earth and have suffered for the cause of that unity.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


#2 Saint Peter (and Saint John) called David "Father" and called the OT Patriarchs "Fathers" (Acts 3:13,25, 5:30, Acts 4:25).

Read Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 (Stephen refers to our "fathers" in the faith), Acts 7:32 (Stephen calls God the God of our "fathers.") and Acts 13:17,32,36, 24:14, 26:6, 28:17,25 (Saint Paul also refers to the God of our "fathers" in the faith).

Read Rom. 4:16-17 also

Christ was using hyperbole. Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of "fathers" and "rabbis" because they were hypocrites.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


#3.

Christ was against the Jewish leaders because they did not practice what they preach, but they demand there fellow man to lavish them with special titles. Christ was not against the titles per se.

Kathr, You called Father Brendan, Mr. Brendan. Following YOUR interpretation, you are being DISOBEDIENT to Christ! I and others disagree with your 21st century interpretation of Christ' words.

We can't force you to call him the way he is suppose to be address, but telling us that calling him "Father" is somehow going against Scriptures, then you are dead wrong Kathr. What Mark V stated is true.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/23/10


I am taking no pleasure in, get on the bandwagon, please believe me.

Now look carefully!
You believe calling someone father is a sin, right.
The reason you dont do it, is because Jesus or God told you not to.
So you dont want to break, that law.

Look at it this way.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Your father word said:
Luk 12:26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
I believe him!
Now look how much he loves you:
Read the rest!

You father is an all consuming fire!
Happy am I, he is.
GodBless
---TheSeg on 3/23/10


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Father Brenden, what do you mean by Apostolic orgin? Apostolic has many meanings. Can you be more specific?
---MarkV. on 3/23/10

As in the 12 Apostles. They were the original evangelists, and founded many churches. St. Thomas went to India and evangelized there, and there are still St. Thomas Christians in India to this very day.

Any church that was founded by one of the Apostles, or St. Paul, is considered Apostolic in origin. Hence, Coptic, Armenians, the various churches in Greece, Roman, and so on. There are still many Christians in the Middle East--Arabs, no less.
---FatherBrendan on 3/23/10


cluney, I KNOW and realize you are a desciple and follower of MR. Brendan. However I disagree with your interpretation of FATHER. I am to address no one as FATHER except MY FATHER in Heaven, or my earthly Father. Paul said he BEGOT us through the Gospel therefore is a father to us in that sense. I was not BEGOTTEN by Mr. Brendan, or his church or anything of the such. He is not my TEACHER either, THEREFORE, I will not address him or any who use abuse that title as Father anything.

But you may call him Father because he is your teacher and you follow him.

As far as spelling...again, I wasn't saved because I was a perfect speller! I was saved because I acknowledged I was a rotten sinner!

---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


\\At that time it was Mrs. Morgan and all Armenians they hated.\\

The word you're looking for is Arm**I**nian, from Jacob Arminius.

The Armenians are one of the Apostolic Churches, originally evangelized by St. Bartholomew, and have suffered much for their loyalty to Christ.

It was the Armenian genocide committed by the Turks because they were Christians that gave Hitler his idea for the "final solution."

He himself said, "Who talks about the Armenians anymore?"
---Cluny on 3/23/10


\\Absolutely MR. Brendan, we ARE TO warn those who are not saved! \\

kathr4453, why are you calling him MR?

If you will read your Bible, you will see that right after the "call no man father" verse (which is taken out of context), it says, "Call no man master."

And Mr. is just a variant spelling of Master.

So is Mrs. (Mistress), for that matter.

Why, therefore, are you disobeying the Bible?
---Cluny on 3/23/10


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Miche,What's going on here is what happened about 3 years ago. I was actually even e-mailed through the pal account to take part in the bashing, just like what is going on here. I refused and even reported it to CN. At that time it was Mrs. Morgan and all Armenians they hated. One thing I love about Armenians, they NEVER play such nasty games, and are more GODLY than anyone on here whether we all agree or not. Yes, they were all the Calvinists doing the bashing, even making up names to make it look look ALL these people were complaining.

FINALLY All those Calvinists were thrown off! We just need to wait until these Calvinists burn their own selves. They will!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


Bobby1,
All I have ever seen is you and many other call Kath names.
I've never seen you back up what you say with scripture.
I've only seen you give your opinion and insult those who disagree with you by calling them "Jezebels", though.
Brother, I'm not sure why you are seem to be having issues, but I'll be praying for you.
Its never Christian to insult a person whether they are saved or not.
Just like you are being angry and insulting to me. I am not blind, I see very well, actually.
Brother, thats not the actions of a good Christian man. You should be checking yourself and correcting yourself first, as the Bible says.
If you disagree with someone, give scripture to say why. Don't insult. Speak God's word.
---miche3754 on 3/23/10


Please post!!!
By the way Bobby1,

How can you tell me what I have the ability to do and not to do?

God's word tells me what I can and cannot do.
And He says I can do all things THROUGH CHRIST WHICH STRENGTHENS ME.

Not sure why you feel the need to insult and judge people but, like I said, I am praying for you.

Markv, brother that was a good question you asked Father Bren. I look forward to the answer.
The Seg, I really liking your posts to brother!!
---miche3754 on 3/23/10


Take this in to account to.
The lord to me, made it clear. I came here to save the world. Well then either he did or he didnt.
More important, I came to save the sinner. Today everyone says, I dont do that because thats a sin.

I say good for you! Then youre a fine righteous person. And yet you sin. So then, its like saying some sins are ok and some are not. In truth, either you are a sinner or you believe you are not.
If you believe you can stop sinning prove it to yourself. But stop lying to yourself!

Not saying go ahead and sin, all you want! But that every mouth and be stopped and be guilty before God!
---TheSeg on 3/23/10


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kathr4453---Great Point!
The "entitlement mentality" is an example of the very ingratitude I'm talking about. NO, God made no covenant of any kind with this country... -----
---Donna66 on 3/22/10


Doesn't sound like Donna66 and kathr are having any such issues mary is falsely accusing me of!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


Father Brenden, what do you mean by Apostolic orgin? Apostolic has many meanings. Can you be more specific?
---MarkV. on 3/23/10


Miche, I don't know if you are blind, and cannot hear, or read, but for the last month Kathr has attacked a few here. And since you mention that she has not said anything to that effect, what that tells me is that you are blind, cannot hear or understand. Not that you don't want to but you are not able to.
You just don't have that ability or you would have noticed.
Kathr calling others names are not scriptural in content, so when answering her, my answers are not scriptural in content. There is a difference but of course you cannot see, hear or understand that.
---Bobby-1 on 3/23/10


Please post!!
"As far as getting "saved," that is not the right question. The only Churches I know that can lead to a life lived for Christ are indeed those of Apostolic origin. "
---FatherBrendan on 3/22/10

Is that what the Bible says, though, brother?

Nope, that is not what Jesus said at all.

---miche3754 on 3/23/10

amen MICHE, NO CHURCH LEADS ANYONE TO CHRIST... it's Christ Himself that baptized you into His Body called the CHURCH.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


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Ignatius, your interpretation of 1 Cor. 4:15 about Paul is a right interpretation. Paul acknowledges he is their spiritual father in that he keeps telling them to imate him, a justifiable exhortation, because spiritual leaders must set an example of Christlikeness to follow (1 Tim. 4:12, Heb. 13:7).

In the Matthew's context about Rabbi's, father's, and teachers, Jesus here condemns pride and pretense, not titles per se. Paul repeatedly speaks of "teachers" in the church, and even refers to himself as the Corinthians "father." In the context in Matthew, Jesus was condemning the Pharisees and Scribes.
---MarkV. on 3/23/10


That just the thing, God told him.
Eze 3:11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.

And here
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Just who are the mockers?
The Lord said many things! All of which is to be taken in to account.

And important one.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Many think they see clearly, but are mockers!
GodBless
---TheSeg on 3/23/10


I do not need to use Scripture to back anything up. What you say is false and all I'm doing is answering to your false comments that condemn someone for no cause. - bobby1

Kath has not accused anyone. Go back and read the posts. She asks ?'s. I see several on here who call her names, but I have not seen her call you names.

What gives you the idea that you don't have to provide scripture to prove what Kath says is wrong?
You are saying her interpretation is wrong then prove it with good sound scripture. You should do that with anyone you disagree with not just her.

Mary, if you believe women are to be silent, then follow your own advice, please.
---miche3754 on 3/23/10


Please post!!
"As far as getting "saved," that is not the right question. The only Churches I know that can lead to a life lived for Christ are indeed those of Apostolic origin. "
---FatherBrendan on 3/22/10

Is that what the Bible says, though, brother?

Nope, that is not what Jesus said at all.
He said "whosoever will, pick up his cross,deny self, and FOLLOW ME". He didn't say what you said to anyone.
Where does this "Apostolic origin" come from?
It comes from man made traditions which we are expressly told NOT to follow. We are to follow after Christ. Brother I don't mean any disrepsect, but that is what every Bible says.
---miche3754 on 3/23/10


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Absolutely MR. Brendan, we ARE TO warn those who are not saved!



Ezekiel 3:18 - 19
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die, and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Jude 22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


There's a difference between being a Spiritual Father as was Paul who would not dare to call himself Father Paul. That would be in direct disobedience to Jesus telling us not to call anyone FATHER but our Father in Heaven.

Deborah was a MOTHER to Israel, meaning MATURE enough to lead others!

In John we are spiritually children, then young men, then fathers, meaning that of growth and maturity IN CHRIST.

Paul was NEVER CALLED FATHER PAUL!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


Bobbie 1, I support you on your answers to Kathr. She mentions I'm you or you are me. She always had her way because she is a woman, and no one ever spoke against her, so she is just shocked.
She is mean, disrespectful, the reason the Bible told women to keep silent. She goes after someone like Shawn T who teaches so good, then Mark v, and now it looks like she wants to go against sister Donna66. She throws stabs from far away but little by little she seeks to devour just like a real lion.
---mary on 3/22/10


Kathr, do you think you can run me out with your accusations? Not a chance. Everywhere you go I will read what you say, and if you condemn someone, which is your style, I will answer you. Here you are now working on Father Brendan, suggesting he is RCC, so you questioned his faith just as you do others, tempting him to sin with his response, you are the tempter. I don't care who you think I am, I will be checking what you say just as you have done with others.
---Bobby-1 on 3/22/10


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\\So FatherBrendan, is it fair to say you are RCC? I don't know anyone else who gives themselves a title of FATHER!\\

Nope, not fair to say that at all.

And you clearly don't know too much if you think that only Roman Catholics use this title.

First off, NOBODY "gives themselves" that title.

Next, it's not just Roman Catholics that use it.

Finally, Roman Catholic priests who were not members of reigious orders were NOT addressed as "Father" until the late 18th century.
---Cluny on 3/22/10


"So FatherBrendan, is it fair to say you are RCC? I don't know anyone else who gives themselves a title of FATHER!" (Kathr4453)

You don't? Saint Paul did (1 Cor 4:15). He called himself a Spiritual Father to those he has begotten in the Apostolic Faith. Makes perfect sense.

By the way, it is quite clear that you know nothing about Eastern Christianity. And besides, many Protestant clergy members call themselves "Father" or "Mother".

Anyway, such titles are not forbidden in Holy Scriptures, unless you want to take Christ' words in Matthew 23:9 literally, which the Holy Apostles and Early Christians didn't.

In IC.XC.
---Ignatius on 3/22/10


\\So FatherBrendan, is it fair to say you are RCC? I don't know anyone else who gives themselves a title of FATHER!

Let me aks you a question? Is salvation still and only through the Church, I mean the RCC Church? Or are you saying anyone even if they are not RCC can be saved.


---kathr4453 on 3/22/10//

First, I am NOT Roman Catholic, and if you don't know of anyone else that uses that title, then you are undereducated, as all Eastern Christians give the title to priests and monks, as well.

As far as getting "saved," that is not the right question. The only Churches I know that can lead to a life lived for Christ are indeed those of Apostolic origin.
---FatherBrendan on 3/22/10


Only God can Judge whether a person is "Saved" or not. Trying to figure out whether a person is "Saved" or not is a game made up by the devil. --FatherBrendan on 3/21/10


So FatherBrendan, is it fair to say you are RCC? I don't know anyone else who gives themselves a title of FATHER!

Let me aks you a question? Is salvation still and only through the Church, I mean the RCC Church? Or are you saying anyone even if they are not RCC can be saved.

Can you tell us when the RCC changed their minds on that subject?
---kathr4453 on 3/22/10


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Bobby1 AKA MarkV, anyone can come on here and say anything they want without any scripture to back up what they say. Do I believe that person? Should any of us believe that person? Aren't we to be a good Berean? YES!

Sorry MarkV,or Bobby1 if you want to HIDE behind someone else's name, you accuse me because I use scripture to LIGHT the darkness of your words you admit are not in scripture or have to be.

Well if we all went YOUR way..WOW to all of us...how easily it will be for anti-Christ as well to get into your head! What will you have to give discernment that he is LYING!!!


Argue, hiss, accuse, curse me all you want! It only shows who YOU are or should I say are not!


I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD!!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/22/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Only God can Judge whether a person is "Saved" or not. Trying to figure out whether a person is "Saved" or not is a game made up by the devil. --FatherBrendan on 3/21/10

Amen~Brother~Amen, We'd all do well to heed to that warning of avoiding to play the devils games of wasting time being more concerned with the mote in our neighbors eye, than we are with the beam in their own eye, just to try to judge & state that that person is NOT SAVED.

When we are Judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world : and if we would judge & examine ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Cor.11:18-32.
---ShawnM.T. on 3/22/10


Mat5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

Bless them that curse you!
---TheSeg on 3/22/10


Kathr, I do not need to use Scripture to back anything up. What you say is false and all I'm doing is answering to your false comments that condemn someone for no cause.

You gave a passage, let your light shine to all men" should be what you should be doing instead of condemning them because they do not agree with you. You let your evil shine on men, and then speak of God.
And since you are the one who speaks against the truth you condemn yourself and give evidence you are not saved.
---Bobby-1 on 3/22/10


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I would say anyone like Bobby1 who never uses scripture to back himself up, but continues to fight against the truth that we, the Body of Christ are certainly called to live a Godly Righteous life before not only God, but in this world itself as a witness to the unsaved.

Let your light shine before ALL MEN, we are called to to be a LIGHT to all nations. We have been called to preach the Gospel to all nations.


Anyone who fights against that truth I can say without doubt, or hesitation, that person IS NOT SAVED!

The Body of Christ does not fight against itself concerning our taking the Gospel to the world. Those truly saved KNOW we have been enpowered to do just that, not only with empowered words but an empowered life.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/10


In reading this thread, I have come to only one conclusion: Only God can judge whether a person is "saved" or not. Trying to figure out whether a person is "saved" or not is a game made up by the devil.

Try instead to live YOUR life in an upright manner, so that when you see Jesus, He will say to YOU, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant, enter in to the kingdom.."
---FatherBrendan on 3/21/10


You cannot call someone saved or unsaved.
You can only believe or have faith in it. Unless he told you!
And know for sure, he is faithful to fulfill that which he promises you!
For he is the fulfillment of that promise!
Word!
---TheSeg on 3/21/10


I would like to reverse the question.
"Can I call someone saved if they fulfill in my ear what the Bible says they can do to be saved?"

Poor example,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. " If you hear a person call on the name the Lord can you say they are saved?
---mima on 3/20/10


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Kathr, you have to rephrase over and over what you say because what you say is not true. You don't take your own advice,
YOU have NO POWER to peach the truth unless thetruth is in you to begin with!
That is your problem and you give advice to others to sound like you are very holy, but the minute a brother/sister turns their back, you stab them in the back with your judgment. Every answer you accuse. All I do is bring it to everyone's attention.
---Bobby-1 on 3/20/10


**Grace is CHRIST in you, and when the unsaved world sees YOU, it SEES Christ in you that brings salvation to the WHOLE WORLD!Kathr**

I will re-phraise..Christ in you, His Light in you is what th unsaved world see's that brings the truth of the Gospel message of salvation to the whole world.

YOU have NO POWER to peach the truth unless thetruth is in you to begin with!

Grace is CALVARY, BY Calvary you are saved. By Christ's work on the cross you are saved.

Grace then is Calvary. You are saved by His risen life...not by your name being picked out of a hat.

To GROW in the Grace an knowledge of Jesus Christ the Knowledge of Christ death and resurrection life in you.

Bobby1 who is MarkV, is wrong!
---kathr4453 on 3/20/10


The term "unsaved " is a description of spiritual position understood by Believers by other Believers. Scripture tells us to "judge" our fellow man. Too many believe this is an open invitation for Christians to condemn or criticise non-believers. The word "judge" is related to DISCERNMENT, warning Christians to recognize and separate themselves from the unsaved and develop community with the saved, or "the Church". We discern an unsaved spiritual character by comparing it with the markers of a saved spiritual character. Discernment goes a long way to helping us choose our courses of action and the people we associate with. To call another "unsaved" is akin to insulting them with a criticism.
---Elaine on 3/20/10


You may call me unsaved if you'd like. It's okay. It won't bother me.
---ger.toshav on 3/19/10


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Answer to Kahtr's false teaching: You see a lot that is not true at all.
Christ is not grace, for grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy towards those sinful men to whom He wants to have mercy on. Grace never teaches anyone how to be anything. When the world sees those who have been saved it does not bring salvation to the whole world, it brings salvation to those who have believed by faith in the works of Christ and His resurrection only. Any other gospel is a false gospel. All just a bunch of heretical talk to sound like she knows the gospel.
---Bobby-1 on 3/19/10


Titus 2:11-12
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world,

Why is this GRACE teaching us to obey verse 12? Certainly anyone can see GRACE does not mean having your name picked out of a hat.

Grace is CHRIST in you, and when the unsaved world sees YOU, it SEES Christ in you that brings salvation to the WHOLE WORLD!
I will admit this is why I HATE the Calvin Doctrine (not the lost Calvinist) Its the smugness of their lawlessness doctrine having NO CLUE we are to witness to the lost through our LIVES as well.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


Actually what I see are those who dont care about the unsaved. They dont believe we are to witness to the lost. They believe God has already PICKED who He wants and we can do anything we want anytime we want because we dont have to live a Godly righteous life before the unsaved world.

What I see is lawlessness as Paul tell us. SPOTS and blemishes that have infiltrated the Body of Christ, to bring upon the True Church a reason to accuse those In Christ, by what those who claim to be Christs but are not who live as they please without excuse.

Satan will stop at nothing to accuse Christ before this world.


Dont be fooled by Bobby1 and Company! Their THUGS.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


Please print. #2

Actually what I see are those who dont care about the unsaved. They dont believe we are to witness to the lost. They believe God has already PICKED who He wants and we can do anything we want anytime we want because we dont have to live a Godly righteous life before the unsaved world.

What I see is lawlessness as Paul, Peter, John, Jude tell us. SPOTS and blemishes that have infiltrated the Body of Christ, to bring upon the True Church a reason to accuse those In Christ, by what those who claim to be Christs, and are not, who live as they please without apology.

Satan will stop at nothing to accuse Christ before this world.


Dont be fooled by Bobby1 and Company!
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


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Kathr, my statement stands, you are evil. You see evil where there is no evil. Then you get mad at those who disagree with what you call evil. Because you call evil what is good. You do not recognize it because it lives within you. You don't even follow the passages you yourself give in Phil 2:14,15. You try to show others you are holy after your display of evil. Like the pharisees.
Shawn is not the pope and thank God for that. His a brother who loves to bring the Truth to help others, in a kind way, and you oppose the Truth he brings, even the way he brings it. You have to be working for the enemy in a very big capacity. You must be up there in the ranks. Close to the spirit of Jezebel.
---Bobby-1 on 3/19/10


Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behaviour of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. (1 Peter 3:12)
The Bible says that unsaved husbands can be brought to the Lord purely by observing the righteous lives of their wives. That means that a Christian's actions really can speak louder than their words.

Is this true only in respect to wives and husbands? Surely not. The principle is true for all believers because the way that we live shows the world that Christ is in us. Living a righteous life is a powerful evangelistic tool.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


AGAIN, the WORD OF GOD Bobby1, Shawn MT would like to slander! Go ahead and change your name..God knows who you are!

Philippians 2:14-16

14Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world,

16Holding forth the word of life, that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


Anyone who opposes the truth in order to get to a brother or sister, is working for the devil himself.
---Bobby-1 on 3/19/10

I couldn't agree more.

ANYONE regardless of who we are or how we agree or disagree is OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF if that one opposes the TRUTH just to exalt himself, and causes those like you Bobby1 to do his dirty work in slandering the TRUTH of God's word by slandering the one PRESENTING the WORD OF GOD!

Shawn MT is NOT the Pope that we need his FINAL say on what something means. He's also NOT the Holy Spirit that he should tell us what God expects from us. He's a LIAR!!!

Get a real life Bobby1, not in Shawn MT, but in Christ before it is TO LATE!!!

---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


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Kahtr, your condemning answers never stop coming. Now that you got Shawn's number, you want to call everything he says a lie. You wait to see his comments, and with evil in your heart, try to find something in the Bible that can maybe imply against what he said to build your case, and then turn on him just like you turned on Markv, and Mary before.
Then change your name to give yourself good points on how great you are.
Your heart is evil. You do not work for God. Anyone who opposes the truth in order to get to a brother or sister, is working for the devil himself. You judge evil where there is none, in living together without fornication. I judge your evil where there is much.
---Bobby-1 on 3/19/10


The foundation of all Christian witness is what you do, not what you say. The single greatest tool of our Christian testimony and of evangelism is doing right. It is how you live.

How right Peter was. And the principle for his here really comes from his Lord Jesus who said in Matthew 5,Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. IS 1st Peter 2:11 the day of visitation.

The most effective tool of evangelism we possess is the power of a righteous life.
2 Cor 3


We are the Bibles the world is reading. We are the truths the world is needing. And we are the sermons the world is heeding.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


Shawn MT, in reply to your lie on the living together blog:


1 Peter 2:11 to 20 is a very important portion of Scripture.

Beginning in verse 11, Peter writes, "Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts, which wage war against the soul. Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may on account of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.--- For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


Why do you want to call someone unsaved, TheSeg?

To give yourself a warm feeling that you are not as they are?
---Cluny on 3/17/10


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Only if you belong to God, and at best, you better know what you are saying is true.
---catherine on 3/17/10


I don't believe we as believers have the right to call anyone unsaved. We can discern whether or not a person is saved or unsaved. However, God is the only one who knows whether or not a person has given their heart to him.

Be blessed!
shary8757
---Shary on 3/17/10


Jesus said to judge the FRUIT. If the FRUIT does NOT match the Bible, they are NOT saved. The Bible says if you belong to God, you will have the following: OBEDIENCE to God's COMMANDS (10 Commandments & the Bible) (1 John 2:3-6), LOVE towards others (1 John 4:7-8), REPENTANT heart (not wanting to sin) (1 John 3:8-10), FAITH in Jesus as Christ (1 John 5:1). If you do NOT have the above, you are NOT saved.
---Leslie on 3/17/10


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