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There is a saying that if only one person needed saving JESUS would have died to save that one person.

JESUS loves everyone on earth. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

GOD wants all of humanity to be saved. There is no joy in heaven over the death of a lost soul. It should sicken those who love GOD and love others that so much death occurs. If it does not then you need to check if you truly love others.
---Samuel on 3/30/10


Trav, I never try to start a fight with anyone because that is not why I am here. ---Mark_V. on 3/30/10

Yeah righto ole chap. You twisted truth, when scripture backed you up to a cliff. Utilizing false witness. If GOD states it...you wrestle understanding it, conveying it and living it.
Now you run when no one is even chasing you....except scripture. The apostles had their weak moments...I've had mine. All it would have cost was you confronting scripture. If GOD/Prophets state it....I support it. Butchering scripture cost you credibility and whatever GODs penalty's are.
---Trav on 3/30/10


Trav, I never try to start a fight with anyone because that is not why I am here. But your answers about the Jews who were murdered were very upsetting to me. It is not about the Bible at all, it is about life. And you approved of it, which made me upset, but I can move on for I know by me complaining about your attitude towards the jews I cannot change how you feel or think. I guess I was blowing smoke aimed at you for how you answered. I will leave you to your own thinking and move on.
---Mark_V. on 3/30/10


You in turn think it is ok, and because I disagree with your murderous believes, you say to me,
"Eat meat and leave that evil teacher who looks over your shoulder guiding you from truth"
---MarkV. on 3/28/10

You're trying to pick a fight over something I never said. GOD stated and you can't deal with it. We both know it. You're argument is with GOD.
You're pet milk doctrine is between you and scripture. You dodged every scripture posted. But, you begin that a long time ago.
You cannot be the authority in scripture you desire to be and not address "all" scripture.
---Trav on 3/28/10


Trav, I completely disagree with murder and persecution of all humans whether they were Jews or not. You in turn think it is ok, and because I disagree with your murderous believes, you say to me,
"Eat meat and leave that evil teacher who looks over your shoulder guiding you from truth"
You call truth evil and evil truth. Because what guides my feelings and believes is Christ of whom you know not of. For if you did, you too would be upset at all the murders, for Jesus commandments were to love neighbor and to Love God, but you want to kill the neighbors.
---MarkV. on 3/28/10




Trav, I study Scripture very well and I am not stuck in the Old Testament as you are.
....never about the New Testament Gentiles, ... I can still hear you say, "Kill them"
---MarkV. on 3/26/10

MarkV...GOD said it. Post where I said it. Take it up with GOD...when you are man enough. You study, scripture....no argument. What you won't do even for your own peace or soul....is match/tie Old Covenant witnessing New Covenant. You are afraid. There is no fear from a Righteous GOD. Your fear is derived from...your doctrine/denom. GOD will not veer from what he states he will do. You veer. Eat meat and leave that evil teacher who looks over your shoulder guiding you from truth.
---Trav on 3/27/10


Trav, I study Scripture very well and I am not stuck in the Old Testament as you are. You did say it was right by telling everyone who heard you that they did such and such a thing and that is why they were killed. If you haven't heard the commandments of Christ then you have missed them. Your heart is still in, and eye for an eye. That is why all of your conversations are about the married, devorced, one tribe, two tribes, never about the New Testament Gentiles, and even then you agree with the murder of millions. Because your tribe is the good tribe but not any of those others. You should not study Scripture because it has done you no good at all. I can still hear you say, "Kill them"
---MarkV. on 3/26/10


You do not make anyone become anything! God does! Forcing someone to follow God is not the way ,nor does God allow it. You can however show them the direction, have bible studies, let God do the rest.
---candice on 3/26/10


Here we are talking about the slaughter of millions of human beings and you are saying it was righteous what what done to them through the ages .....---MarkV. on 3/26/10

Feed you scripture and you come up with a fictional novel. You are right on one thing...I'm not too concerned about dead Anti-Christ. Neither is GOD. I didn't say it was correct what was done. I stated two facts,you confirmed one....that they are Anti-Christ's. GOD takes care of his enemies. In his own manner. Hitler died as well, along with most of Germany, Pal, in case you haven't heard. If you want to side with GOD's dead or live enemies,go ahead. Scripture won't stop you. You are talking.....but not listening. You run gums...but,should study scripture.
---Trav on 3/26/10


Samuel,

What in the world does atheism got to do with the Holocaust?

I thought I had to do with crazy men with mustaches. atheist

Many atheist's deny the Holocast. It was taught as false by Communist Russia and China for ages. Atheists who still follow Hitler deny it.

Being an atheist does not make a person deny the holocast. But it is a point many agree on. On the other hand some GOD believers deny it also. I am just pointing out that being an athiest does not make a person good or bad in the social sense. Also that you were correct not all atheists agree on other topics beyound the no god part.
---Samuel on 3/26/10




Trav, we were not speaking doctrine on this subject. What God has ordained will come to pass. He designed it that way. Who He was going to have mercy on. If anyone is going to heaven it is up to Him and Him alone. That is doctrine because He tells us in Scripture. Jesus didn't say, go, kill all of the Jews for my sake. What He said is, Father, please forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Here we are talking about the slaughter of millions of human beings and you are saying it was righteous what what done to them through the ages and what Hitler did to them, some how by your wicked understanding you say they deserved it. The pain, the gas, the ovens to die such a horrible physical death.
---MarkV. on 3/26/10


Getting atheists to agree, is pretty much like getting people of different religions to agree. ---atheist on 3/23/10

The agreement actually is defining and in the label. Atheist = No GOD. Now some do fear....but never admit it. Fearfully hovering around where they might be enlightened by men....thinking that they are too far removed for GOD to pay attention to them.
Which is actually not logical either...if he can condemn....he can un-condemn. Having dual fear communication hurdles, actually believing in GOD, an fear to admit their fear to men.
They could ask for help/clarity from the only one that could help them...GOD....these self condemning types are beyond any man's assistance. ANY.
---Trav on 3/26/10


Share Christ with them: some will accept and become Christian, and some will reject and remain nonChristian.
---Eloy on 3/26/10


And since they are Anti-Christ as you say, and most all of Israel is anti-christ......I knew from the beginning when I first started talking to you, something very wrong was behind all that talk of yours about Israel.
---MarkV. on 3/25/10

Ha, your a dandy. At least you admit to honoring Anti-Christ? You are wrestling with scripture,it wins every time with weak men made logic/doctrine.
It's obvious by your avoiding a direct answer to the scriptures posted. By conjecture and omission....you are saying, BAD ole GOD..bad ole scripture....markv's way is righteous. I'll just ignore and listen to my man mentored doctrine, which comforts me. Ahhhh.
You'll stand, you'll stutter.
---Trav on 3/25/10


Samuel,

What in the world does atheism got to do with the Holocaust?

I thought I had to do with crazy men with mustaches...
---atheist on 3/25/10


Personally I hold no hatred for Jews or any other particular religion or group.

Getting atheists to agree, is pretty much like getting people of different religions to agree. Like herding cats.

Where did you get this idea? atheist

You are corrrect on what you believe. And yes it would be like herding cats. But Atheistic goverments have been the cause of more deaths in the 20th century then any relgious group could even come close. And often their targets have been jews.

I believe in the devil and I believe he inspires others.

By the way I know of some atheists who are Holocast deniers. But it is not true of all atheists since they are a very diverse group.
---Samuel on 3/25/10


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Trav, I cannot defend them anymore, they are dead Trav. Buried by the hundreds on top of each other. There is no defending those who are dead. And since they are Anti-Christ as you say, and most all of Israel is anti-christ, so your suggestion is we should kill all of them for been anti-christ. If you had been there, you would have been one to say, "crucify them" just like when Jesus was sentence. Because you agree the punishment and persecution they got was righteous since they were not of the Israel you like but another Israel. In fact you can see their hearts, and saw they were not the chosen one's. I knew from the beginning when I first started talking to you, something very wrong was behind all that talk of yours about Israel.
---MarkV. on 3/25/10


Trav, so by the given of Leviticus 26:17, you are saying that God ordered this punishment ......So you don't want me to feel sorry for the millions who died. That is what you are saying....
---MarkV. on 3/23/10

No, Mark this is what you are inserting. GOD by the verse above can and will and has punished those who broke with him. Now the only ones that had a covenant with him was Israel. And is still Israel. You feel sorry for Goliath?.....uh how about others that opposed GOD. What does David say?Psalm 92:9
For, lo, thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, thine enemies shall perish, all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered.
Now someone scatters for GOD in many instances.
You MIGHT be defending what MAY not be defendable.
---Trav on 3/24/10


Trav, so by the given of Leviticus 26:17, you are saying that God ordered this punishment for the Jews, and ordained that the RCC be the delieverers of the punishment, and then 1,200 years later to increase that punishment on the Jews by the death and burning of the Jews by Hitler. So you don't want me to feel sorry for the millions who died. That is what you are saying since you say God commandment that punishment and you think it is right for them to be persecuted through all the ages? Is that was you are saying? No one could be save by the Old Mosiac Covenant. It was a Covenant of works. A Covenant of obedience of the Law Trav. No one can be forced to believe as the Catholics tried to do to them. Force them to convert or else.
---MarkV. on 3/23/10


Samuel,

Personally I hold no hatred for Jews or any other particular religion or group.

The devil has not and cannot inspired my thinking about anything since I don't believe in the devil.

Getting atheists to agree, is pretty much like getting people of different religions to agree. Like herding cats...

Where did you get this idea?
---atheist on 3/23/10


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Trav,

Blood libels against Jews are false accusations ....
Do you believe this as well?
---atheist on 3/22/10

I have no idea, you don't either. There are no reliable accounts that I've heard or read. They are foremost,mostly Anti-Christ's, brothers/kin folk who are in error/darkness....the ones who are who they say they are. Like family gone bad. They are still family.

I believe what I can see, hear, touch, taste and smell. And what multiple, proven witnesses witness. I also know what is not said or kept in a closet, sometimes speaks loudest of all.
---Trav on 3/23/10


GOD loves the Jewish people and Paul spoke of his love for them. They have many advantages above genitiles.

But the Devil has inspired hatred from both atheists and so called christians who despized those who GOD gave his word to.

When JESUS says Christians will be known by their love. Do you think he only meant love some but it okay to hate others?

Only JESUS by the HOLY SPIRIT came bring a person to become a Christian.
---Samuel on 3/23/10


Trav, the sad part is that you believe all the anti-semitic wrongs done to the Jews through the centuries. ---MarkV. on 3/22/10

All? Please. Save your sadness until you know better. The Bible/Scripture you love...and I know you do (the parts you cling to). I'm not being mean, or smart alecky. I would if possible provoke you to study scripture you are not considering. This one below for example. Condemn GOD? For this judgement? Be careful what judgement and who you are condemning/condoning. You are a pot not a potter.
Leviticus 26:17
And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you, and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
---Trav on 3/23/10


Trav, the sad part is that you believe all the anti-semitic wrongs done to the Jews through the centuries. What Hitler did was more effective then what the RCC did, and you back that up with your lousy, devorced, married, right tribe, wrong tribe, and so forth titles.
Not because they are just human beings who deserved better, the women and children that died but you say because they were anti-christ, just as the RCC and then Hitler said, when the whole world is anti-christ. I suppose we should just shoot them all and turn around and wear our crown.
---MarkV. on 3/22/10


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Trav,

Blood libels against Jews are false accusations that Jews use human blood in certain aspects of their religious rituals and holidays. Blood libel accusations have often asserted that the blood of Christian children is especially coveted, and historically blood libel claims have often been made to account for otherwise unexplained deaths of children.

Do you believe this as well?
---atheist on 3/22/10


Trav, so what you are saying is the there are bad Jews, Jews mixed together with good Jews ---MarkV. on 3/22/10

As said earlier....you worship and defend them and explain to GOD where you read to do so in scripture.....I can't/won't....Neither will Christ. It is remarkably easy to tell good from bad.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
---Trav on 3/22/10


Trav, #3: in conclusion, I want to say that for a person that speaks alot about ....you have no clue who the Jews are and why Jesus died on the Cross. ---MarkV. on 3/21/10

Sound like your as universal as the Church you hate and despise. Catholic=universal.

You are right....in your own eyes. My clues are not clues but scriptural "marks" over 70 that you cannot acknowledge and prophets that don't seen to say what your doctrine needs them too.
My teacher Christ said:
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Heb 8:8 says....
Ezekiel 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel:
---Trav on 3/22/10


Trav, If one side of your family had to change their name and yet you still don't understand that it was not the fault of the Jews why Jesus died, then you understand as much as the Roman Catholic Church understood.
Of course Matthew mentions the curse that was predicted to be on the Jews, and on their children, it was written and it was fulfilled by the Roman Catholic Church. But it was not the reason Jesus died, He was "foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" It was an eternal purpose which was purpose in Jesus Christ our Lord" Eph. 3:11. You speak of Israel and know little of what you say, and in turn accuse them of killing the Lord. That is the reason I answered you.
---MarkV. on 3/21/10


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Trav, If one side of your family had to change their name and yet you still don't understand that it was not the fault of the Jews why Jesus died, then you understand as much as the Roman Catholic Church understood.
Of course Matthew mentions the curse that was predicted to be on the Jews, and on their children, it was written and it was fulfilled by the Roman Catholic Church. But it was not the reason Jesus died, He was "foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" It was an eternal purpose which was purpose in Jesus Christ our Lord" Eph. 3:11. You speak of Israel and know little of what you say, and in turn accuse them of killing the Lord. That is the reason I answered you.
---MarkV. on 3/21/10


Trav, so what you are saying is the there are bad Jews, Jews mixed together with good Jews and since you don't know which are which because you don't know their hearts, go ahead and kill all of them because they are Anti-Christ. Are you crazy? The whole world is anti-christ, and because we don't know who to defend as you say, which should we spare? The northern or the southern, or the married ones or the devorced ones? The twelth tribes are only one tribe?
I don't know what sect you belong to, but whatever it is, it is anti-semitic for you cannot be a Jew for no Jew or Israelite, would say what you say, that they deserved what they got through the centuries. You even gave discriptions of what they did to deserve what they got.
---MarkV. on 3/22/10


Trav, #3: in conclusion, I want to say that for a person that speaks alot about Israel and the tribes and those who will make it and the wall with all the tribes names, and so forth you have no clue who the Jews are and why Jesus died on the Cross. In spite of the cruelty, which to some degree prepared for the Holocust, many Catholics still say their church has never erred. John Paul XXIII, against the entire tradition, accepted the church's guilt in shedding Jewish blood across the centuries, in accusing them of being accursed by God. Most movingly of all, he claimed that Catholic persecution of Jews amounted to crucifying Jesus a second time in the flesh of His own people. The Pope begged forgiveness for these appalling sins and errors.
---MarkV. on 3/21/10


Trav, Jews were not responsible for the death of Jesus, the sins of the world were.
---MarkV. on 3/21/10
MarkV, one side of my family had to change their last name because of persecution. Don't even start to lecture me on the poor jew. Most Jews you defend probably aren't. Many have taken the name. Be aware of who you are defending. So far you haven't even acknowledged the marriage to the complete house of or the division of the two houses.
The Fig Tree fundamentally and the verse below are "marks".....with other scripture abundant.
Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
---Trav on 3/21/10


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Trav, Jews were not responsible for the death of Jesus, the sins of the world were. Your interpretation of Jesus death, is the same interpretation the Catholic Church gave for nearly twenty centuries, to persecuted the Jews. By the Holy Roman Catholic Church and Apostolic Church no doctrine was taught more universally, and more infallibly then that Jews are cursed for killing God, a charge still not officially withdrawn. The third and Fourth Councils of the Lateran (1179 and 1215) the church codified all previous enactments against Jews. They had to wear a badge of shame. In England in the shape of the tablets of Moses, in France and Germany it was yellow and round. In Italy the badge was a red hat.
---MarkV. on 3/21/10


Trav #2: Those hats were later changed to yellow. They were deprived from administration, of lands, forbidden to own shops, herded into ghettos which were bolted at night. No system of aparheid was more regorously enforced. Jews were hounded from one land to another. One pope gave them a month to quit their homes in Italy. If a Jew showed his face on Good Friday, he was commiting suicide. In Nazi Germany stars were daubed on Jewish homes and shops. Hitler assured Bishop Berning of Osnabruch there was no fundamental difference between National Socialism and the Catholic Church. Had not the church looked on Jews as parasites and shut them in ghettos? He said, I am only doing what the church has done only more effectively.
---MarkV. on 3/21/10


\\Persecution of Jews in Spain was severe---they were required to wear beards, badges, and garments to identify themselves\\

Actually, Jewish practice for both Ashkenazi and Sephardi prefers that men have beards.

After all, what secular laws force the Haredi or Hasicim to wear them in the USA?

ALL grown men have beards. The question is why do some shave them off.
---Cluny on 3/19/10


Trav,

You are an ignorant bigot.
---atheist on 3/19/10

Well thank you. Truth is never popular. Truth is also never ignorant. Especially about my own people. Truth seems to be an enemy of yours so I would not expect you to like it...learn it....or embrace it to wring value or wisdom from it. I sincerely meant the thank you. You are as far apart from me and GOD as Night is Day. So if I am not with you I am opposite you.

Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
---Trav on 3/19/10


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Trav,

You are an ignorant bigot.
---atheist on 3/19/10


Cluny,

Persecution of Jews in Spain was severe---they were required to wear beards, badges, and garments to identify themselves.
---atheist on 3/18/10

Well...this is one side of the story. There is always another. Jews were/are Anti-Christs much as yourself. To them a Christian was/is as an animal, to be treated and thought of as such. Still teach these Talmudic principles to some degree today. They were run out of every Christian country they ever settled in....some several times. Britian,France. Usually for unfair trade/banking practices. Our Judean Lord died by them, and condemned them. (But,then just because they say they are does not make it so.)
---Trav on 3/19/10


"How do you make someone become a Christian?" You do not.
Salvation is of the Father, through the Son. In the words of Jesus, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him," John 6:44 and "no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Mat. 11:27
---josef on 3/19/10


Cluny,

Persecution of Jews in Spain was severe---they were required to wear beards, badges, and garments to identify themselves. They were not allow to own land or ride on horseback, among other indignities and restrictions.

To avoid these indignities many converted to Christianity, and were known as conversos. But they were then targeted by the Spanish Inquisition as heretics, accused of being Christians in name only, but still being secretly practicing Jews.
---atheist on 3/18/10


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Obviously, 'atheist,' you have not read objective studies based on primary sources.

Considering that religious dissenters (mostly Roman Catholics) in England were tortured and executed, merely expelling Jews and Mahometans (most of whom were involved in plots against the crown) by Spain was rather enlightened.

BTW--you may not know that Queen Isabella ordered that Jews who had always been known as Jews were to be left STRICTLY ALONE by the Inquisition.
---Cluny on 3/18/10


Cluny,

The special treatment given to suspected 'heretics' encouraged a great number of people to become or at least state they were Christians--- precisely the right sort of Christians. In Spain Jews and Moslems could either convert or leave the country. If they were suspected of continuing to practice their religion, they would be accused and receive the attention of the inquisitor.

Even people who believed in their heart that they were Christians were sometimes tortured into confessing heretical beliefs so that the torture would stop,---although perhaps after being burned alive. People did try to avoid such confessions, since the consequence would be that all their possessions would be taken and their families left penniless.
---atheist on 3/18/10


you dont,conviction of sin is the job of the holy spirit.
---tom2 on 3/17/10


YOU TELL ME! There is no way you can make someone become a Christian. All you are gonna have is a bunch of fakes.
---catherine on 3/17/10


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Tad, maybe you mis-worded your question, maybe you were trying to ask: How does one become a Christian?

Acts 2:38 says, Repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you shall receive the Holy Spirit."

Repent means to turn away from COMPLETELY from your sins and start living for Jesus. Read the Bible starting with the Gospel of John. Do what Jesus says to do: Forgive your enemies, give and it shall be given to you, turn the other cheek, show mercy, pray this way, "Our Father who art in heaven, etc.', Get a study book to study the bible with....Bible Knowledge Commentary Two Volume gives a good and basic understanding of the Word of God.
---Donna on 3/17/10


1st you can NOT make someone become a Christian. This is the Holy Spirit's job. Our job is to speak the TRUTH in LOVE by sharing the Gospel with them, and praying for them. 2nd if you try to make someone become a Christian, you are controling them, which the Bible says is witchcraft (a.k.a. Satan worship).
---Leslie on 3/17/10


\\Torture used to work quite well during the inquisitions...
---atheist on 3/17/1\\

Actually, 'atheist,' torture was used to make people not confess Christianity, but confess their crimes of deviating from it.

Please get your slanders straight, ok?
---Cluny on 3/17/10


Only if your name is H. Spirit can you make someone become a Christian.

Or are you looking for some magic bullet to force the quick evangelical decision for Jesus RIGHT NOW?

Again, there isn't one.

"I plant, Apollos waters, but God gives the increase."
---Cluny on 3/17/10


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Torture used to work quite well during the inquisitions...
---atheist on 3/17/10


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