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Purpose Of Tithing Today

What is the purpose of tithing and is it for today?

Moderator - None. We are to give as the Holy Spirit leads us. However, 10% isn't a bad place to start.

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jerry6593 - Matthew 23:23 is OLD Covenant. The NEW Covenant (Testament) didn't begin until after Jesus died on the cross. Jesus was born, lived, and died under the OLD Covenant.
---Gary on 3/27/10


Donna: "There is no New Testament writer who says (or even implies) that Christians SHOULD tithe!"

How about Jesus?

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay TITHE of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: THESE YOU OUGHT TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.
---jerry6593 on 3/27/10


Where does Paul speak about tithing? Did I miss something?
There is no New Testament writer who says (or even implies) that Christians SHOULD tithe!
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


Paul in the New Testament he talks about Tithe, and he never says that its done away with. Theres no New Testament writer that says we no longer pay Tithe.
---francis on 3/26/10

Exactly what scriptures are you referring to? They ain't there! Paul NEVER talks about tithing in the Christian Church. He talks about giving from the heart, not under compulsion. You say a lot, francis, but have no scripture to back up what you say.

There is also no New Testament writer that says we should no longer kill disobedient children, or that anyone other than a priest who worships in the temple shall be killed.

Scripture, please?????
---Gary on 3/26/10


Paul in the New Testament he talks about Tithe, and he never says that its done away with. Theres no New Testament writer that says we no longer pay Tithe.
---francis on 3/26/10




Let's analyze Leviticus 27:30-33.

The grain from the soil or fruit from the trees would be classified as assets. The sale or exchange of these items would result in income.

The animals tithed are also classified as assets. The sale or exchange of the animals would result in income.

Therefore, it is plain to see, by definition, not interpretation, Gods command to tithe was on assets, not income. They had money, wages, income, markets to buy and sell, etc. even BEFORE God commanded His tithe.

Follow God's Word, or follow what your pastor says.
---Gary on 3/26/10


There are only TWO known theologians who received their Ph.D. by writing their thesis on tithing. BOTH OF THEM came to the conclusion that tithing ended at the cross. Those who agree with this conclusion include:
John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, J. Vernon McGee, Robert Baker (chief SBC historian), Phillip Schaff (historian), Alfred Edersheim, James W. Winfree Ministries, C. I. Scofield, Craig Blomberg (Denver Seminary), Geoffrey W. Bromiley (Fuller Theological Seminary), Charles Ryrie (Dallas Theological Seminary), Walter A. Elwell (Wheaton College), Theodore H. Epp (founder Back to the Bible), Gary Friesen (former Dean of Multinomah College), Scholars at the Dallas Theological Seminary, Dalls Theological Seminary, Talbot Bible College, etc.
---Gary on 3/26/10


Tithes Were Not the Same as First-fruits.

The first-fruit was a very small amount of the first crop harvest and the firstborn was the first offspring of animals. The first-fruit was small enough to fit into a hand-held basket (Deut. 26:1-4, 10, Lev. 23:17, Num. 18:13-17, 2 Chron 31:5a). First-fruit and first-born offerings went directly to the Temple and were required to be totally consumed by ministering priests only inside the Temple (Neh. 10:35-37a, Ex. 23:19, 34:26, Deut. 18:4).

Pastors who mix first-fruits with the tithe obviously don't know God's Word.
---Gary on 3/26/10


As a Certified Money and Financial Minister, I am concerned with what people do with 100% of their money. All this false teaching on 10% while so many ignore the more important 90%!

We should be praying over our spending the same as over our giving. If we are good stewards with 100% of our income, we will have much more left to give.

If people took more time to study what the Bible says about giving, and followed those teachings, church leaders would have all the funds they needed without the need to coerce people into a false doctrine of tithing in the Christian Church.

God wants your heart, not your money. It's a moral obligation to support the church you attend.
---Gary on 3/26/10


Gordon said, "Giving in Tithes and Offerings is in obedience to the LORD. Tithes are given "to GOD" out of the first fruits of our income, from the Gross amount."

You've been duped, Gordon.

First, The Lord's Tithe was NEVER on the first of anything. Leviticus 27:30-33 says a tenth of the crops and THE TENTH ANIMAL, not the first.

Nehemiah 10:37-38 makes it perfectly clear that firstfruits has NOTHING to do with the tithe in that the firstfruits were TAKEN TO THE TEMPLE for the priests while the tithe was TAKEN TO THE LEVITES to go into their cities.
---Gary on 3/26/10




Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way [that] they knew not, I will lead them in paths [that] they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament, which [vail] is done away in Christ.
---MIchael on 3/26/10


Giving in Tithes and Offerings is in obedience to the LORD. Tithes are given "to GOD" out of the first fruits of our income, from the Gross amount. Symbolizing that GOD comes first in everything. Then, GOD uses that money to support His Kingdom work on Earth, through His Church. GOD does not rain down money from Heaven. He uses His people to do their part in returning a portion of what He blesses them with, to advance His Work on Earth. Mandated or not, I will tell you this, that GOD will hold everyone accountable who could have given, but didn't, because, "afterall, it wasn't a Law to give."
---Gordon on 3/26/10


We need to distinguish between what our labor produces and what comes directly from God. The Lord's Tithe NEVER came from our labor.
---Gary on 3/25/10

Try it if you can.

Your labour produces NADA, nothing, neitz.
It is God who gives the increase. See JOB.
god gives God takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

and without that Sun and that rain what can your labour produce?

Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth [cometh] knowledge and understanding.
---francis on 3/26/10


We need to distinguish between what our labor produces and what comes directly from God. The Lord's Tithe NEVER came from our labor.
---Gary on 3/25/10

Do you know what man labour's to do?
He labours to reap what God has sown.
he labours to mine God's gold and God's silver.
He labout's to mine God's iron, and God's diamond.
he labours to fasions God's trees into what he wishes.

Man takes of the NATURAL RESOURSES of God and does his will, and you do not see how EVERYTHING belongs to God and tithe must be returned on ALL.
---francis on 3/26/10


francis said, "You CANNOT pay God. God owns everything. You can only return."

You can RETURN a tenth of the crops and animals that came directly from God. But how can you RETURN income that didn't come from God in the first place?

We all agree that God owns everything. HOWEVER, don't ignore Deuteronomy 8:18 where God says He gave us the ability to make wealth. When YOU work, YOU are doing the work, not God. Deut 8:18 says so - God gave us the ability to work so that we can make wealth, earn a living.

We need to distinguish between what our labor produces and what comes directly from God. The Lord's Tithe NEVER came from our labor.
---Gary on 3/25/10


francis said, "yes they did. The inhertance of the levites was the Lord's portion. And their duty was fulltime service of the lord."

Your definition of full time is obviously not the same as mine, or Webster's for that matter.

Working TWO WEEKS A YEAR is NOT full time.

The fact is, some of the Levites were full-time judges, carpenters, etc. who worked PART-TIME at The Temple. Since they worked 50 weeks in their regular occupation, how can you possibly say that working 2 weeks a year at the temple is considered full time?

The received the tithe AS THEIR INHERITANCE, but that agreement included that they do the duties of the temple.

You will say anything to defend your non-biblical position.
---Gary on 3/25/10


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Numbers 18:27 proves that God did not intend man to tithe on his income.

Since The Lord's tithe is ONLY from God's increase, God added Numbers 18:27 which tells us that the tenth of the tenth the Levites were to give to the priests SHALL BE TREATED AS THOUGH it came from their own farms (increase from God's hand).

IF wages or income were to be tithed on, Numbers 18:27 would serve no purpose. It would be meaningless.

You just can't ignore this scripture.
---Gary on 3/25/10


francis said, "Deuteronomy 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. "

francis, that is GOD'S INCREASE. Man cannot make crops and animals. Those came DIRECTLY from God's hand.

The Lord's Tithe came from GOD'S INCREASE, not man's increase (income). There is a BIG difference.

Those who teach that God's tithe is on man's income have cheapened God's tithe from miracles of God to income from man.

The tithe was HOLY because it came from God.
---Gary on 3/25/10


Show me where God asks for a tenth of my profit or increase WITHOUT taking a verse out of context.

Deuteronomy 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.


Abraham gave 1/10 or his spoinls of war. IE goods to include GOLD and SOLVER.


You CANNOT pay God. God owns everything. You can only return.

Gary: There are 3 separate tithes commanded by God, but only ONE did He claim as belonging to Him and that tithe He gave to the Levites.

I am 100% sure that EVERYTHING God cattle EVERYTHING belongs to God.
---francis on 3/25/10


Gary, it's a blessing to hear from someone who understands issues concerning the tithe and is able to articulate scripture concerning it.

On one addition note, the Levites could not own land either.
---Rod4Him on 3/25/10


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I will answer the question again.
Tithing by law was 1/10 of one's increase in livestock and crops. It was to feed the Levites, poor, and widows. It does NOT apply today as giving from free grace has replaced the Mosaic command from lawful necessity.
Prov 1:5 A wise [man] will hear, and will increase learning, and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
Prov 8:9 They [are] all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge
Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding
Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
---MIchael on 3/25/10


The Levites did NOT serve at the temple full time.---Gary on 3/25/10

yes they did. The inhertance of the levites was the Lord's portion. And their duty was fulltime service of the lord.

I am not saying that they worked every day, week or month in the temple.
But their fulltime job was to serve in the temple.
They divided the time between the levites.

But their assigned fultime duty by God was to serve in the temple, and in the city.
---FRANCIS on 3/25/10


The tithe has always been for those who serve at the lord's tabanacle full time.
---francis on 3/25/10

The Levites did NOT serve at the temple full time. They served ONE WEEK out of every 24 weeks ON A ROTATION BASIS. The rest of the time they lived in their cities and tended to their regular jobs, whether that be their farms, as carpenters, etc. The Levitical priests also rotated weekly. The Levites and priests were divided into what was called 24 courses. This is a very complicated subject which you apparently have no knowledge. You can start your rearch at First Chronicles 24 for the priests and chapters 25 and 26 for the Levites. That is where you will learn about the "24 courses."
---Gary on 3/25/10


The tithe has always been for those who serve at the lord's tabanacle full time.
---francis on 3/25/10

There is more. The Levites and priests worked at THE Temple, not a temple. THE Temple where the Spirit of God lived. NOW the Spirit lives WITHIN OUR BODIES. You can't equate The Temple with a church building.

Next, God RESTRICTED which Levites could work in The Temple - ONLY men, ONLY once they reached the age of 25, and NOT after they reached the age of 50.

You want to pick and choose what you want to follow. It's either all or none. You really need to study this topic a LOT more.
---Gary on 3/25/10


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francis said, "1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."

That means PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. It doesn't mean get paid wages. We should all be living the gospel.

Paul does teach that those who preach the gospel HAVE A RIGHT to be paid, but he gave up that right. Very few preachers nowadays give up that right. I, myself, have given up that right. I absolutely refuse to be paid to teach God's Word.

Preachers who do NOT give up that right are living a double standard. They want others to give up their right to their money and give it to them. DOUBLE STANDARD.
---Gary on 3/25/10


Paul himself says this:
1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

When did God ordain this?

Numbers 18:21 behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

The tithe has always been for those who serve at the lord's tabanacle full time.

And we (christians) are a nation of priest but only SOME OF US SERVE FULL TIME as did the levites.
---francis on 3/25/10


Second, if the crops are too much you can convert it into money.
Deuteronomy 14:25 Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
---francis on 3/25/10

Taken OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!! You need to read the WHOLE passage regarding converting crops too big to carry into money! It also commands them to BUY food at the temple location to CONVERT the money BACK into a FOOD TITHE!!! Be honest please!!!
---obewan on 3/25/10


francis, Deut 14: the tithe in this context is supposed to be eaten by the giver before the Lord. If the place where they eat the tithe is too far away, they can convert the food to money and go to the place they want to eat, and then convert the money back to food and eat it.

So, using your verse in Deut., the people were to eat their own tithe.
---Rod4Him on 3/25/10


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The TITHE is the lord's
Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.

To be used by those in fulltime serve to God:
Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

same in the NT:

1 Corinthians 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple?
1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

So keep returning tithes TO THE LORD.
---francis on 3/25/10


The greek words for 'tithe' appear 10 times in the NT:
4 nouns, 6 verbs, 7/10 in Heb 7, the other 3:
Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42, Luke 18:12
all talking to or about the pharisee.
Seems like the pharisees only tithed crops.
Now lets look at Heb 7.
1-4 Melchizedek--When is the last time you gave 1/10 directly to Christ?
5 Levites commanded to take tithes.
6-10 Mel vs Levi
7 If we are Abraham and Jesus is Mel, Are we greater than Jesus? Please don't put yourself there.
11-28 A new Priest, A better covenant.
12 A necessity to change the law.
No more Levitical priesthood and we are NOT better than Christ, so where does your tithe go? Are you robbing God? or are you freely giving not out of necessity? 2Cor 9:7
---MIchael on 3/25/10


Reply to francis:

Abraham gave a tenth of all WHAT? Of all doesn't mean everything he owned as he gave the tenth when he returned from defeating the enemy. He didn't return home and gather a tenth of everything he owned. This is verified in Hebrews 7:4 which verifies he gave a tenth of the spoils of war. You are taking a verse out of context.

Show me where God asks for a tenth of my profit or increase WITHOUT taking a verse out of context.

Deut 14:25 says you can CONVERT your tithe into money IF it is too far to take the crops and animals. Your TITHE is STILL the crops and animals.

Jesus, Himself, disagrees with you since He said you PAY tithes in Matthew 23:23.
---Gary on 3/25/10


To francis:

Deuteronomy 14:22-27 is NOT what is called The Lord's Tithe. That is the Festival Tithe which is where the farmers took a tenth of their crops plus the first born animals and used it AS A FEAST FOR THEMSELVES. That tithe was consumed by the tither, plus those invited which included the Levites.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 is the third tithe, aka The POOR Tithe which was every three years.

And Leviticus 25:3-7 tells us there was a seventh-year rest for the land, and therefore, there was NO tithe every seventh year.

There are 3 separate tithes commanded by God, but only ONE did He claim as belonging to Him and that tithe He gave to the Levites.
---Gary on 3/25/10


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Tithing is more than just on crops and cattle: Abraham gave tithes of ALL including Goods. So the first mention of tithe was not only of crops and sheep but goods.

Genesis 14:20 ..And he gave him tithes of all.


Everything belongs to God and God asks 1/10 on your profit or increase.

Second, if the crops are too much you can convert it into money.
Deuteronomy 14:25 Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

the missconception is that we PAY tithe. truely we RETURN 1/10 to God for all we havebeen given.

Haggai 2:8 The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts
---francis on 3/25/10


To go even further with this, francis, neither Jesus nor Paul qualified to receive God's tithe since neither was a Levite.

francis, you and I have a choice. We have a right to keep our money, or we can relinquish that right and be a generous giver. I choose to be a generous giver.

Paul said that those who preach the gospel have a right to be paid, but he would rather die than sell the gospel. Paul gave up his right to be paid. How many pastors give up their right to be paid?

Your pastor doesn't want you to exercise your right to keep your money, but at the same time, he won't give up his right to be paid. A DOUBLE STANDARD between the giver and the receiver.
---Gary on 3/24/10


Gary, great analyses. Thanks for your contributions.
---Rod4Him on 3/24/10


francis said, "If tithes were of crops only, then merchants would be excluded from returning tithes."

Merchants WERE excluded from tithing. Jesus, Paul, Peter, the farm workers, the craftmen, the carpenters, etc. etc. were ALL EXCLUDED from paying tithes.

You miss the whole reason for God commanding the tithe. Those who INHERITED the promised land tithed from the crops and animals, NOT their income from the crops and animals. Those who received the tithe were from the ONLY tribe from the Children of Israel that did NOT inherited the land - they inherited the tithe instead. The Lord's tithe ONLY affected those people. God's tithe has NOTHING TO DO with anything today.
---Gary on 3/24/10


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Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
francis, where is money mentioned here to the Israelites?
You have been taught in error.
Prov 21:11 When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise: and when the wise is instructed, he receiveth knowledge.
We have shown you many verses concerning true tithing. We only show the truth, your response decides whether you're wise or not.
---MIchael on 3/24/10


francis - Show me where Jacob, in fact, ever tithed. Jacob made a VOW to tithe, based on conditions SET BY JACOB. Now show me where Jacob made good on his vow.

Bible historians say that it was custom for Kings to expect ten percent of war spoils. Notice also that Abraham KEPT NOTHING for himself. He gave 10% to one King, and 90% to another. Is that how you tithe? NO CHURCH uses Abraham's example of tithing - on pagan spoils of war, a one-time event, not on his income, etc.

In Numbers 18, God said to give the tithe to the Levites, FOR EVER. What right do you have to take your tithe to the church? You are disobeying God by doing so.
---Gary on 3/24/10


francis said, "tithes must be paid on all."

Says who? Not God.

You must think you are smarter than God since you change His definition of His tithe, and you change His ordinances of His tithe.

You are disrespecting God.

You make it all up. SHOW ME SCRIPTURE to support tithing on income. SHOW ME SCRIPTURE to support taking God's tithe to the church.

You are NOT following God's Word. You are changing it to suit what YOU want it to say.

Many pastors know they are liars but lie anyway to bring in more money.
---Gary on 3/24/10


If you take the time to study the history of tithing in the Christian Church, you will find that tithing, as it is taught today, started during the SECOND HALF of the 1800s!

Roger Williams, founder of the Baptist church in the US, said there would be NO TITHING in the Baptist Church. In 1870, over 250 years later, BECAUSE MONEY WAS NEEDED for missionary projects, the Baptist Church decided to start teaching and collecting the tithe.

Dr. David A. Croteau of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary is now teaching new pastors that tithing ended at the cross and should NOT be taught in the Christian Church. This is the beginning of teaching the truth, for a change.
---Gary on 3/24/10


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To answer Michael:
Gold and silver is the lord's, just as is cattle, land, and crops. Tithes must be pain on all. If tithes were of crops only, then merchants would be excluded from returning tithes. Abraham gave tithes to melchedek. Tithes of gold and silver and what he took from war.

To answer gary:
Both abraham, and jacob returned tithes before the priesthood.
Melchezedeck is mentioned to show that jesus is a greater priest.
the change of priesthood from man to Jesus is an arguement is favour of tithing.
Since the tithes belonged to God, now given to Jesus. proving tithes is the Lord's


Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes, but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
---francis on 3/24/10


francis - you are ignoring Hebrews 7.

First, Abraham GAVE a tenth of war spoils which consisted of whatever he recovered, INCLUDING those captured. This tithe was NOT a Holy tithe, and was NOT from Abraham's income, nor did it quality as a tithe under God's own definition.

Hebrews 7 talks about the PRIESTHOOD of Melchizedek to show that what applied then does NOT apply now. Thus you have...

Hebrews 7:5 - the Levites took the tithes under the law.

Hebrews 7:12 - when the priesthood changes, the law will change.

Hebrews 7:18 - the law was disannulled.

You are keeping AN INFERIOR method and bringing it into a BETTER Priesthood.
---Gary on 3/23/10


francis - Are you aware that the KJV of the Bible is the ONLY version (I have found) that uses the word tithe with Abraham? All the other versions use the word tenth.

Why is this? Because the writers of later versions realized that people will CONFUSE Abraham's tenth with The Lord's Tithe.

In Genesis, the definition of the word tithe is merely A TENTH.

But God DEFINED HIS TITHE in Leviticus 27:30-33. Therefore, you can tithe OTHER THAN crops and animals to whoever you want, but that will NOT be The Lord's Tithe.

Everything BELONGS TO GOD - gold, silver, everything. That has NOTHING to do with what God claimed as HIS tithe.
---Gary on 3/23/10


--Before there was a priesthood?
Gen 14:18-20 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Who gave tithes to whom?
What was all that the tithes came from?
--Since Hag 2:8 and Mat 22:21 are both true, why do you have gold and silver in your possesion? Or is there something missing?
Does it remind you of 2 very different people? Acts 2:44-45 as opposed to Luke 18:18-27. Doesn't seem to be anything about 'giving 1/10' in these 'give all' verses.
---MIchael on 3/23/10


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before there was a priesthood, there was tithe:

Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22 ..and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

And just because a human destroyed the desolate temple, does not mean that the tithe had to stop.

As to tithe being crops only:
Haggai 2:8 The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Did Abraham give him gold and silver or crops?
---francis on 3/23/10


Francis said, "Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes, but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth."

The Book of Hebrews was written BEFORE the Temple was destroyed. Until that time, the Levites were still receiving the tithe per the law UNDER THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD.

That is why Hebrews 7:8 uses the present tense "and here men that die....."

And notice in Leviticus 30:30-33, the tithe is from CROPS and ANIMALS that came directly from God's hand - miracles of God, NOT from anything that man made or earned.

Those who think they are tithing The Lord's Tithe with their income have cheapened God's tithe. Furthermore, giving to a church is NOT giving to God.
---Gary on 3/23/10


To Connie_Reason:

No one is following God's command to tithe today - ONLY on crops and animals, and ONLY from the Holy Land, and ONLY to be given to the Levities.

Study God's tithe and you will find that ONLY those who inherited the promised land were to tithe, and they were to tithe to ONLY the tribe of Levi who did not inherit the land.

Leviticus 27:30-33 makes God's definition of His tithe clear. Numbers 18 is where God gives His ordinances, or instructions. Either comply with God's command, or STOP telling me you are paying God's tithe to your church. YOU CAN'T PAY GOD'S TITHE TO YOUR CHURCH WITHOUT DISOBEYING GOD.
---Gary on 3/23/10


Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.

You mean jesus gave up his right to everything on the cross? Including the tithe of the land?

We do noy return tithes to ministeries, or humans, the tithe is the lord's we return tithes to jesus.

The OT speaks of both tithes and freewill offerings. freewill offerings did not replace tithes.

In the NT when you see freewill offfering, or giving, it is not for the purpose of the gospel, it is usually aide to an individaul or nation.

Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes, but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
---francis on 3/23/10


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I have noticed that this post has brought out various emotions. First of all, I don't think our Father in heaven gets upset as we do concerning tithing. Second, Gary the word of God says call no man a "fool". Also Jesus came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. The law is not destroyed it is only covered by the blood of Christ. If man was to get as upset for souls as I have seen regarding tithing than just think how many lives could be saved.
---Connie_Reason on 3/22/10


Donna5535 on 3/19/10 The Apostles in Acts said everyone sold everything and give to those in need.
If you really study this, it had nothing to do with tithing
These people sold all they had and put it in a common kitty, waiting in Jerusalem for the Lord to return which they thought was a short time.
(Acts 1:11, Acts 2:44,45)They lived on this until it ran out. Rom.15:26 Gal. 2:10
---michael_e on 3/19/10


Donna5535 said, "Jesus definition of tithing is Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, runneth over."

First of all, what you wrote isn't a definition. Second, what you quote has to do with giving, not tithing.

OPEN YOUR BIBLE FOR A CHANGE and LOOK AT GOD'S OWN DEFINITION OF HIS TITHE. You will find it at Leviticus 27:30-33, and then you will find His instructions in Numbers 18 which tells you where to take His tithe.

Have you even bothered to open your Bible and study this topic? You, like so many others, have been taken for a fool by your own pastor.
---Gary on 3/19/10


Jesus definition of tithing is Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, runneth over.

The Apostles in Acts said everyone sold everything and give to those in need.

Tithing is not legalistic, only in your mind. When you love someone such as God, you want to do for Him as much as you can,right?

And the 10 Commandments are still in effect today except they become 10 promises when you come into a love relationship with God. Who wants to commit adultery when you are God's child? Why would you want to steal and not give instead? And if you in love with God and Jesus and Holy Spirit, you really don't want idols in your life, do you? See how the 10 Commandments become 10 promises?
---Donna5535 on 3/19/10


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Larry - you obviously go to a legalistic church, especially if they are quoting Malachi 3:8-10 to bring all the tithes to the storehouse.

The storehouse referred to in Malachi was like a barn for storing crops, NOT a church building to store money. And since Malachi 3:7 is referring to God's ordinances, which is the law, that also shows the church you go to is legalistic.

The means doesn't justify the end. What your church is doing may be good, but teaching Malachi and receiving tithes is just flat out wrong and in my opinion, immoral. Many pastors know what they teach is wrong but try to justify it because they are doing good with the money. FLAT OUT WRONG.
---Gary on 3/19/10


Larry said, "Give unto God the things that are Gods..."

Everything belongs to God. But you still haven't shown me where God asks or tells you to give Him a tenth of your income. WHERE IS IT IN THE BIBLE? Or are you just repeating what someone told you?

If you can't back it up with scripture, you must be wrong.

WHERE in the Bible does it say to take a tenth of anything to the church? WHERE in the Bible does God give the church permission to receive His tithe? Tell us, or admit that your pastor is wrong.
---Gary on 3/19/10


Mal 3:10a Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house.--Tithing is produce and livestock.
Luke 11:42a But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs--It was never monetary.
Luke 11:42b and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.--For they were under the law.(Rom 3:19)
Matthew 22:21b Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.--What does God own?
Psa 50:12b for the world [is] mine, and the fulness thereof
1Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.--Give your all to God.
---MIchael on 3/19/10


bro GARY, JESUS says
"Give unto God the things that are Gods.."
"Bring all the tithes to the storehouse that there may be food in my house"
At my church we feed the hungry weekly,give away clothes to school children,this year we organized a christmas extravaganza for the community and we fed and gave gifts to 400- 500 families. All that is impossible without tithes and offerings.
We can continue to allow the government to take all the initiative in helping people....but then we cant complain when they take GOD out of everything, our schools, our offices, our hearts...
the people must see us do the things we say we believe. and that requires Capital.
---larry on 3/19/10


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Larry - You are mistaken. There are many churches that teach what the New Testament teaches which is grace giving, or Spirit led giving, or free-will giving from the heart.

The New Testament teaches that the church will be supported by giving, NOT PAYING tithes. In the Old Testament, The Lord's tithe was a PAYMENT, not a gift.

For many, tithing is an excuse to only let go of 10% of their income, or a little more. For those of us who really understand the Bible, for me, giving means 25% or more of my income.

You miss the whole New Testament teaching of giving when you continue to tithe.
---Gary on 3/19/10


Tithing = Legalistic

Jesus even used the term "matters of the law" when speaking of tithing in Matthew 23:23.

Tithing IS legalistic and has NOTHING to do with giving or grace.

Hebrews 7:5 again shows that tithing was received by the Levites UNDER THE LAW.

Those who insist on tithing are the legalistic ones. You are keeping the law and ignoring New Testament giving principles.
---Gary on 3/19/10


Hello Friends, U guys sound so legalistic to me. since when did the righteousness of God get nailed to the cross? Thou shalt not steal, kill & commit adultery are still as relevant today as in Mose's time. tryna dismiss those principals, or even some of em, lead only to compromise/curruption on a grand scale.Im not talking Goats blood here, but the God honoring, kingdom promoting principles can never be outdated.
U say u love the kingdom of god? How else will great deeds be done unless the funds are corporately given in God's name I dont worry bout embezzlement - they shall pay whosever partakes of such wickedness. Fear to release your tithe represents a lack of trust in the omnipresence and justice of God, or at the very least GREED.
---Larry on 3/19/10


Correct, Michael.

Tithing ENDED at the cross. Those who think they are tithing in reality are not, at least not the Biblical tithe. They are merely giving 10% of their income which is NOT the Lord's tithe.

Pastors who teach Malachi 3:8-10, robbing God, are fooling the people. Malachi 3:7 shows that God was talking about His ordinances, which ENDED at the cross. Therefore, Malachi 3:8-10 cannot possibly apply to anyone today.

In my opinion, today tithing = fraud, or at least ignorance.
---Gary on 3/19/10


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Hi Cluny, Gary. Gary's first post could be taken either way. I can see that. But, If you knew Gary's adamance against tithing based on his all his previous posts and his background stated in those posts, then a person would see that he was only defending tithing in it's truest form as it was in the past and showing the corruption of the use of the word today, not defending it's need for today. Thank you.
---MIchael on 3/19/10


To fleece the sheep, and feed the wolves. Tithing is for the cursed.
---Eloy on 3/19/10


\\Cluny - I keep NONE of the Old Testament laws. The Old Testament Laws were nailed to the cross.\\

You're being inconsistent, Gary.

You yourself defended your practice of tithing (which nobody was attacking) with quotes from the OT.
---Cluny on 3/19/10


Do you keep all the other 612 mitzvoth of the OT, Gary, or do you pick and choose which ones you observe?
---Cluny on 3/18/10

Cluny - I keep NONE of the Old Testament laws. The Old Testament Laws were nailed to the cross.

I am led by The Spirit in my everyday living. Therefore I wouldn't even think of killing, stealing, etc.
---Gary on 3/18/10


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Supporting those in ministry doesn't require "tithing". It ought to be achievable by systematic giving by each member, giving what they feel they can afford, or what they feel moved by God to
give. Many churches are able to support their ministers by this method.
---Donna66 on 3/18/10


Francis said, "tithing is still needed today as it was back then. Somehow we still need topay those who serve God in a full time capacity."

The New Testament is clear. The way we pay those who serve God full-time now is by FREE WILL GIVING, not tithing.

We are under A BETTER PRIESTHOOD.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law.

In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change.

In Hebrews 7:18 we are told that the law was disannulled.
---Gary on 3/18/10


\\God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33 and gave His ordinances in Numbers 18. If you change the definition or the ordinances, it is no longer God's tithe.
---Gary on 3/18/10\\

Do you keep all the other 612 mitzvoth of the OT, Gary, or do you pick and choose which ones you observe?
---Cluny on 3/18/10


tithing is still needed today as it was back then. Somehow we still need topay those who serve God in a full time capacity.

Some of the apostles did not have a second Job and lived on the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

1 Corinthians 9:6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

1 Corinthians 9:7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
---FRANCIS on 3/18/10


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Donna said, "I have increased my tithing to around 20% to 25%..."

Impossible. Tithing means 10%. If it isn't EXACTLY 10%, it isn't a tithe.

And you were right, back then, to call it giving, and you should still be calling it giving. The Lord's tithe was NEVER a gift, it was a payment.

To Lawrence - where did God ask us for 10%? You've been duped by the system, Bro.

God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33 and gave His ordinances in Numbers 18. If you change the definition or the ordinances, it is no longer God's tithe.
---Gary on 3/18/10


\\Every congregation has recurring fixed expenses to meet each month to keep the doors open so they can do any thing else. Stewardship and membership management makes this happen.\\

As one old pastor said, "Salvation is free, but the Church costs money."
---Cluny on 3/18/10


Tithing in the Old Testament was food only even though there was money in those times.

As someone already said, the purpose was to feed the Levites. But since 1/3 of all tithes went to take care of the poor, widows, orphans, and disabled people, its purpose was also to serve as a form of social security or welfare if you will.

Today, freewill offerings are used to support the modern church. Some say that tithes are still required, but that is not supported by anything in the New Testament, and most churches are not properly distributing the 1/3 to the poor anyway.
---obewan on 3/18/10


Matt.22 v 21. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's(taxes etc.) Render unto to God the things that are God's (Tithes & Offerings) People should be Glad The Lord asked for the 10%, If He asked you for the 90%, where would that leave the people?
---Lawrence on 3/18/10


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Every congregation has recurring fixed expenses to meet each month to keep the doors open so they can do any thing else. Stewardship and membership management makes this happen. Churches that realize this survive, those that don't effectively manage their stewardship and demographics eventually shut down.

Christian education requires resources the same thing for mission planning. Your church demographics by age need a normal bell curve distribution and in general so does the giving unit distribution. If your membership is skewed too young your population lacks income to support the church. If the skewing is geriatric you don't have long term sustainability. it is the regular giving of 30 - 60 population that keeps the church open.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/18/10


The purpose of tithing was to feed the Levites, who did not receive a land inheritance. 1/10 of a person's increase in crops and livestock was required by law. This only applied to people that had crops and livestock just as circumcision wasn't for all Israel, but just for the males.
Through Christ, we are no longer compelled to tithe, but give freely in love to the needy and missions. This can be 1/10, but doesn't require to be, but freely and cheerfully given as the Lord leads. If your not offering 1/10 of your crop and livestock increase to the Levites, than you are not tithing according to the Mosaic Law.
---MIchael on 3/18/10


I've been tithing since before I was saved. Didn't know back then that's what it was called...I called it giving back then.

I have increased my tithing to around 20% to 25% and the Lord has never disappointed me. He promises a hundred fold return, but that return may not always be in the form of money. It could be love, friendship, healing, etc.,
I give out of my love for the Lord. In the beginning I did it out of obedience to His word. Jesus said, "Give and it shall be given to you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, runneth over.
---Donna on 3/18/10


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