ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Explain Ephesians 3:1-9

What is your understanding of Ephesians 3:1-9

Join Our Free Penpals and Take The Wisdom Bible Quiz
 ---micha8489 on 3/19/10
     Helpful Blog Vote (11)

Post a New Blog



Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
---MIchael on 4/8/10


This is NOT to the CHURCH.

Ezekiel 36:24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/10


---kathr4453 on 4/8/10The New Covenant replaces the OLD Covenant made to Israel ALONE INCLUDES LAND **Ezek 36

Thanks Kathr, that is what I thought.
---michael_e on 4/8/10


The New Covenant replaces the OLD Covenant made to Israel ALONE INCLUDES LAND **Ezek 36.

These Covenant"S" get confusing I Know, however the Covenant given to Abraham was not the NEW Covenant for Gentiles. Why, because the Old Covenant, or Mosaic Covenant was not even in force. Paul tells us that Gentiles are partakers of the Abrahamic Covenant AKA Everlasting Covenant Gen 3:15, made LONG BEFORE the Old/New.

The New Covenant replaced the Mosaic Covenant. Gentiles were NEVER under the Old Covenant to begin with.

Hebrews 13:20 & 21 clearly state Jesus was brought alive from the dead through the BLOOD of the EVERLASTING Covenant .
---kathr4453 on 4/8/10


Can someone show me this new covenant scripture in the Book of Acts?
---michael_e on 4/8/10




Yes, the Jews (Israel) can obtain the promises through the new covenant and many have(Acts), but also in Acts, Peter, Paul, and others preached to the Gentiles (other nations) for acceptance also into the new covenant. The new covenant is not exclusive, to the Jew (Israel) first and also the Gentile (other nations/ethos).
Awesome supporting scripture for Israel first though. Thank you trav.
---MIchael on 4/7/10


However, God will make a New Covenant with Them, bring them back to the LAND He Promised etc.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/10

New Covenant is already in effect. Marriage to come...too the same people covenanted.
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were UNDER the first testament, they which are CALLED might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
---Trav on 4/7/10


Hosea is a allegory about ISRAEL and her unfaithfulness to God. Each of Homer's children were named after some SIN of Israel.

Gomer was also unfaithful, and was continually bought back regardless.

This shows GOD'S faithfulness to HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE and His promises to THEM. God made more than one covenant with Israel. If it were based only on the Law of Moses..then walla! However, God will make a New Covenant with Them, bring them back to the LAND He Promised etc. Read the end of Hosea, Isaiah, Zechariah...God did not annul those promises because they won't be fulfilled until HE RETURNS. ****Acts 1:6-11

Isaiah 14, Zechariah 12-14, Ezekiel 36 Romans 9-11 just to name a few places we see God will keep His Promise.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/10


Cont'
Jews-Israel:
A division resulting from a broken covenant.Non-Jew,non-Israelite people returned with true Jews from Babylonian captivity-understanding prophecies-knowing the difference of-Israel,Judah(jew),and Jacob.Some non-Jews became integral in temple service and became scribes.[There is a chosen people]-scattered-scales-over their eyes-slumbered- for protection.Rom11:4-10
We are not to judge one another-but pray-humbled-edifing.Hosea tells us this story-what-has-is-and will be-take'n place.The vestiege-remnant-[footprint of before]Fathers marriage-restored.
Lo-ruhamah-Lo-ammi=I will say to[them which were]not My people,[Thou]art My people,and [they]shall say,[Thou]art My God.
Your part in the plan?-Humbled..
Phil 2
---char on 4/7/10


It is vital to see God's concept of Marriage.God's beautiful plan of forgivness-remission.The divison between those who choose-again.
cont'...
---char on 4/7/10

It's there for those who will see it. History does not record many who have. Hidden from the people it is written too. What GOD hides cannot be opened unless he opens it. One can ask, seek and will probably find.
Another word is redemption. Redeem, to purchase back that was previously owned. In New Covenant it is all Israel. Heb 8:8
Titus 1:6
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
GOD had one wife Israel...will again have one wife Israel. Perhaps many children.
---Trav on 4/7/10




Trav-Kathr-Michael-Mark-
Storm happened-been without internet-looks like a storm is happening here.
This is my understanding to this.
Repentance and remission was and is God's plan from the beginning.Ha-satan(lucifer) took one third of the Holy angels with him-this is a Beginning of seduction and deception.With the beginning story of Flesh-satan led Adam and Eve astray-bringing death to humankind.-Why is this important?-There has always been a remnant-Those who stood/stand with God-we see the footprints of this.
It is vital to see God's concept of Marriage.God's beautiful plan of forgivness-remission.The divison between those who choose-again.
cont'...
---char on 4/7/10


Hosea 2:23 is in reference to Hosea 1:10 talking about ISRAEL, not Gentiles. Also stated in Romans 9-11.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/10

You're tangled up. You really may be Jewish...seeming to bother you so bad....the written fact that the divorced of Israel, the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel....are allowed equally back.

The apostles did not write the latin word.
Gentiles is a faulty translation, it means nations or ethnos. Nations and ethnos of Israel. Who had lost their name as in Hosea...who were not a people ...but, would have the opportunity to become again. Heb 8:8
Tells distinctly and plainly who GOD is remarrying. As do all the prophets.
---Trav on 4/7/10


trav, the conversation here is not about markv or me, or your opinion for that matter.
But all who have received Jesus Christ Jew or Gentile becoming ONE NEW MAN!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/7/10

Well it was between Mark and I. On an issue between us....and about a scripture mangler. With a mean mouth.

You are not a man. Not recognizable as a woman. Rejoice, in your womanhood and all the intricate elements of it. What you teach no scripture studying man will ever follow...what makes you persist so against scripture. Go to your husband...ask him to show you what to do.
Titus 2:5
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
---Trav on 4/7/10


trav, the conversation here is not about markv or me, or your opinion for that matter. Personal advice is the cheapest thing in the world...anyone can give it, even worthless advice!!!

So with that trav, stop digging up old posts to stur up more trouble with those who continue like yourself to take the subjects off in another direction.



Lets continue with the Blog question..Ephesians 3:1-9!!!



This is about the Church, teh MYSTERY. It's not about Judah or the lost tribes. But all who have received Jesus Christ Jew or Gentile becoming ONE NEW MAN!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/7/10


Trav, I pray for you most of all since you are the one I have been talking to and that feels the way you do for all those who died such a horrible death. Love thy neighbor went out the door on that one. I also pray for those who are in bad health and sick, not only physically but spiritually sick.
I had a good sister once and she died, She never stab me in the back or harrased me in any way, she loved me and I loved her. Now God has provided me with many sisters in Christ and they all are great sisters who love me too, many I have not met, but I know once we do, we would hold each other with love. We should sacrifice ourselves for others now that is true love.
---MarkV. on 4/7/10


It is not for us to judge the nation of Israel ... As for Kathr been my friend, maybe you haven't seen her responses to me. She is not my friend or my sister in Christ, ..
---MarkV. on 4/6/10

Well, then you missed my whole point...which is.....GOD will sort it out. What GOD allows. What GOD does....what are you going to do about it. Nothing. I didn't kill em. Neither did you. They are dead. GOD's area.

kathr from another angle....she is sincere....but, sincerely mislead. Desperate hurt/lonely fights to have some acknowledgement, so much she goes against the very scripture she upholds. Pray for her.... as hard as it is. She sure makes scriptural opportunity's to share scripture with non/posters
---Trav on 4/7/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Credit Repair


Hosea 1: 10Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them,(ISRAEL) Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Hosea 2:23 is in reference to Hosea 1:10 talking about ISRAEL, not Gentiles. Also stated in Romans 9-11.

So often people thing this is talking about Gentiles, but it isn't.

Hosea is yet future as Paul tells us in Romans 9-11 .
---kathr4453 on 4/7/10


For He told all Israel He would provoke them to jealousy by them that are no people.
---MIchael on 4/6/10

MI... is in reference to Hosea. Nth House of Israel...divorced, lost their "married" name.
Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Hosea 2:23
And I will sow her unto me in the earth, and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy, and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people, and they shall say, Thou art my God.
---Trav on 4/7/10


trav, Jeremiah said this to the remnant.
So there is Israel (the Jews), the branch needing graffed back in and Gentiles (Greeks, Romans, etc) the wild branch currently graffed into the Vine (Jesus).
---MIchael on 4/6/10

Well, this is what the denoms teach, but it is not supported by prophets in scripture. Any of them.
Gentiles..means ethnos,nations. It is referring to Israel in majority of useage.

The Nth House/Divorced...is grafted back in....see the sticks,Beauty & Bands Zech 11:
Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
---Trav on 4/7/10


of course, trav, Jeremiah said this to the remnant. He knew they who they were. Yet the promise was also extended to the gentiles through the apostles. So there is Israel (the Jews), the branch needing graffed back in and Gentiles (Greeks, Romans, etc) the wild branch currently graffed into the Vine (Jesus).
For He told all Israel He would provoke them to jealousy by them that are no people.
---MIchael on 4/6/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Products


We should use Sodom and Gommorah as an example of perverting something so pure.including God's Word.

Are also grouped with these:

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity, whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/10


POOR MarkV, can't take correction, he takes it personal.

However, MarkV I have stabbed no one in the back. What I take a stab at is laying down SCRIPTURE in the proper context you seem to twist, by picking and choosing WHAT presositional phrases you want and don't want.

You like:
BY Grace,
THROUGH faith, but avoid any that say
IN Christ,
WITH Christ,
WITH God,
IN Christ etc.


If your old man was buried WITH Christ
UNTO death, then why according to YOUR rules do you disqualify those propositional phrases?

If that's back stabbing, you really have a problem!!!When YOU twist scripture you stab God in the back!!! YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/6/10


See trav, the remnant of Israel came to Judah, but they didn't go back to the name Israel. .....
Thanks again for your prophet giving us the verse needed.
---MIchael on 4/5/10

Well, it's a little different than that. Note Heb 8:8. Distinguishes Judah from the house of Israel....who was divorced. Judah was never divorced, even though she did as her sister. When Christ died they both were widowed. Through the death....both are equally unmarried now and free to remarry. Romans explains. It is how the two sticks can be reunited.
Judah...Christ's own...would have him not....The Lost Sheep from the other house were glad to find their shepherd again. And have.
---Trav on 4/6/10


Trav, I'm embarrassed by nothing. I had answered you many times before and though I didn't understand half of what you spoke of, I still answered you. I never would have thought you agree with the killing and persecution of the Jews, that is what shocked me. And you judged them as if you were God. It is not for us to judge the nation of Israel or any other nation to where we think it is ok to persecute them because they rejected Christ, or to have them put to death, the whole world has rejected Christ. As for Kathr been my friend, maybe you haven't seen her responses to me. She is not my friend or my sister in Christ, for no sister in Christ stabs her brother in the back. I don't need those kind of sisters to support my view.
---MarkV. on 4/6/10


Shop For Christian Home Business Opportunities


See trav, the remnant of Israel came to Judah, but they didn't go back to the name Israel. Everyone already knew them as Jews.
whether Israelite, Jew, Hebrew, they were home and scattered. Not all of any tribe returned. Thanks again for your prophet giving us the verse needed.
---MIchael on 4/5/10


Trav, You agreed with their murder which I see as your problem.
---MarkV. on 4/4/10

Do you agree with Sodom and Gommorah? Goliath? You don't?? GOD not only allowed...he assisted or performed.
Perhaps "U" are a false witness then? Show where I used the language above. May be my idiot cousins perhaps...why would I applaud, silly boy?
If GOD prophesy's/allows/assists does it though...I'm fine with it. If he allows you not to see, to glorify/worship idolize Anti-Christ....prophets/aspostle/scripture can never sway you. I'm fine with it.
You're embarrassed. Like a child you seek to get the attention off you. You've got a buddy now, katr can teach the the rest of what you're missing it appears.
---Trav on 4/5/10


I will say to [them which were] not My People,[thou art]My People,and [they]shall say,[thou art]my God.Hosea 2:23

This is God's Word-finished.
Matt22:1-14
"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,which made a marriage for his son...
Does this make sense?
---char on 4/3/10
Makes sense to those comparing scriptures of the prophets,Berean like with the New Covenant message.
Have blogged marriage story to many here. No interest in the greatest love story ever told.
Denom/doctrines cannot/will not see this marriage. Climbing in another way.
John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, same is a thief and robber.
---Trav on 4/5/10


They all received the promise, they all were scattered abroad, a remnant of tribes returned to Judah. Thanks for sharing..
---MIchael on 4/3/10
Divorced Israel does not become Judah.
Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Judean, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
---Trav on 4/5/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Divorce


You agreed with their murder which I see as your problem.
---MarkV. on 4/4/10

And a serious problem indeed. Not only were Jews murdered but many who were not Jews at all.

We are living today in the age of GRACE. God's Judgement of sin for the whole world was paid by Jesus Christ...yes Travis....even the Jews who rejected Him. But the consequences of rejection will be dealt with not only to Jews but Gentiles as well, who have rejected Salvation through Jesus Christ. God is not NOW punishing anyone for rejecting salvation.

Genocide in a horrible horrible crime against humanity. We see this same mentality going on still today, with sick minded people who HATE those they think are less than they are.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/10


Thanks Kathr-
I do agree with you-I need to implement.
//Today is the day of Salvation:repentance and remission//
agreed-The Plan of Salvation-the why and how-In Christ-alone.
//Israel was never saved//
-agreed.She was married to-then divorced from-God.
Ez16:8...I spread My shirt over thee
Jer3:8...Israel committed adultery I had put her away,and given her a bill of divorce,...
//God's plan for them after the church is complete//
-agreed-Must repent-forgiven.The church complete-The Groom.
//The Church was kept secret,the heavenly body of Christ.//
This I agree and understand it's spoken of first in Gen3:15.

I will have to continue after paschal-

Respectable greetings to you-
Shalom.
---char on 4/4/10


Trav, I don't know where you get the idea I believe Israel is Judah. Have not mentioned Judah in any of my answers. I'm not angry with you. I'm disappointed at you. How can I be angry? It is you with the problem not me. I have no control over which one's you want killed and which one's you think don't deserve to get killed by Hitler or persecuted by the Church. That is your right to think what you feel. I cannot make you love any of them. It comes from your heart. That is something I have no control over. So, please, get that right.
Second, you don't know which one's got killed by Hitler, unless you know their hearts if they were from Judah or not. You agreed with their murder which I see as your problem.
---MarkV. on 4/4/10


cher, TODAY is the day of Salvation. ALL have sinned. INDIVIDUAL Salvation to those who repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

OT Israel as a Nation was NEVER SAVED to begin with. Yes, individuals had faith, but the Nation as a whole was not automatically saved because they were God's Elect SERVANTS in earth.

God promised them a Kingdom where Christ would reign and rule, and they as a Nation would be restored. Hosea 2:23 also spoken Romans 9-11..to Israel alone and God's plan for them after teh Church is complete.

But that was no secret, and will yet be fulfilled. Ezekiel 36 along with the land, where Jesus as KING will reign Zechariah 12-14.

The CHURCH was kept secret, the HEAVENLY Bodyof Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Marriage


Micheal-Kathr-Trav-
I also see this beautiful-Love story-told in the book of Hosea-but-with further in-sight of the time before...
There is purpose and reason to the word "chosen".
Symbol-Daughter's name Lo-Ruhamah
Son's name Lo-Ammi
I will say to [them which were] not My People,[thou art]My People,and [they]shall say,[thou art]my God.Hosea 2:23

Secret-First revealed:
1.God marries-divorces
2.God's plan of Salvation-repentance and remission.
3.Son marries-restored and forgiven-Israel.
This is God's Word-finished.
Matt22:1-14
"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,which made a marriage for his son...

Does this make sense?
---char on 4/3/10


Yes, trav, the 12 tribes, the Jews, named after Judah, the line of kings. They all received the promise, they all were scattered abroad, a remnant of tribes returned to Judah. Thanks for sharing..
---MIchael on 4/3/10


---kathr4453 on 4/2/10 Has nothing to do with Jew/Gentile or to whom the Gospel was given, it's ABOUT CHRIST IN YOU!!!!

Kath you are right, NOW in this Grace age there is no difference in Jew and Gentile. Salvation comes the same way to both But in Eph.2:1-3 TIMES PAST Gen 12 into the book of Acts.
Eph.2:11,12 Gentiles at that time were without Christ, aliens from the Nation of Israel, strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God ..
Eph.2:13 But now in(this age of Grace)by Christ Jesus Gentiles who were far off are made near by the blood of Christ. 14 He has made us one, and broke down the middle wall between us,
---michael_e on 4/2/10


Micheal-Kathr-Trav-
I see the mystery being-Plan of Salvation:In-Christ-why and how-revealed.
The two sticks have not been joined-in this dispensation-but-the door has been opened-Christ-repentance and remisson.Final wedding-in our time frame-has not taken place-But in God's time-it's finished.
Why-by faith we say-"Amen".
In Christ-as body-we're part of the New Man[groom-becomes Husband].
The bride[forgiven] is Israel-restored-becomes-wife[two sticks-forgiven and remitted].
In a marriage-two become One = Christ the head and his body-Husband and Wife as One.Jn17:21-22That they all may be one,as[thou]Father[art]in Me,and[I]in thee,that[they]also may be one in US.
I and Father are One.Jn10:30
Does this make sense?
---char on 4/2/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Consolidation


What was given to Paul to preach? THE MYSTERY! Here Paul tells us CLEARLY what THE MYSTERY IS:

Col 1:25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God, Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Has nothing to do with Jew/Gentile or to whom the Gospel was given, it's ABOUT CHRIST IN YOU!!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/2/10


Just as Judah included Benjamin before the 2 captivities, Judah includes all Israel after the return. Look it up in the writings.
---MIchael on 4/2/10

You make the statement. Prove it now. Give prophets witnessing the fact. I have looked it up. But, I'll furnish a couple of hundreds that are avoided here like they are an unexplained plague.
Acts 26:7
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
Hmmm...promise? Some one also forgot to tell James:
James 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
---Trav on 4/2/10


ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Romans 5 state the Law was brought in so sin would ABOUND!!! Now ALL Jews and Gentiles are on the same playing field....sinners..period.The Gospel is proclaimed to ALL!!!!

Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles, Peter to the Jews. When Peter or James write to the Jews, how does their Epistles start....the
12 Tribes...to the dispersed...which includes ALL 12 Tribes!!!

James 1

1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

1 Peter 1

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect who are sojourners of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
---kathr4453 on 4/2/10


Just as Judah included Benjamin before the 2 captivities, Judah includes all Israel after the return. Look it up in the writings.
---MIchael on 4/2/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Refinancing


michael_e, there's no such thing as the Covenant of Grace. This is Calvinism or Covenant Calvinism.

The Everlasting Covenant given in Genesis 3:15 was made Before the foundation of the world, between Father the Word who became flesh and the Holy Spirit FOR US..

It's not a Covenant we keep, but one OF PROMISE first proclaimed in Genesis 3:15. And through that one *Hebrews 13:20-21 clearly state it's through the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant. Romans 8:11-13 Identify us with Christ in THIS Covenant.

It's the Everlasting Covenant Genesis 3:15 that was more fully revealed to Abraham...and Paul explains to the Galatians who are Gentiles, that like Isaac was SO ARE WE! Children of Promise. NOT CHILDREN OF ELECTION!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/2/10


Michael E, .. I Paul the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you "nations/ethnos" (divorced Israel) If indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, ...revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: that the "nations/ethnos" (of divorced Israel) should be fellow heirs, of the same body and partakers of His promise through the gospel."
---MarkV. on 4/1/10

Took the incorrect word "gentile"back to original intent. Separated, the only way back to GOD for the Northern house nation/ethnos was widowhood.
Heb 8:8, shows this to be fact.
All prophets wrote of this fact to those that will/can hear them. If they won't hear a prophet...
---Trav on 4/1/10


--MarkV.The Gentiles were included in the Covenant of Grace, but was made known to Paul and the prophets during Paul's ministry. It was not added to the Covenant, just never revealed until it was to Paul.

I seem to be missing scripture on this covenant of grace. How do you define Covenant?
I see the gospel of Grace revealed only to Paul.
I don't see covenant and gospel as the same thing.
---michael_e on 4/1/10


Trav, you keep bringing tribes and north and south and devorced and none devorced, but my answer had nothing to do with which or what, ....... and know that you like certain Jews ....Take your pick.
---MarkV. on 4/1/10

You do not align with scripture. When scipture points this out you get testy. Have been patient with you but, you make up false hoods. You err in two major places. 2nd,You think Israel is Judah. Exclusively. Scorning, Jealous, similar to Judah/jews,the other covenanted nation. Is making you rage. Instead of upholding or showing scripture negating me...you rage. Found in scripture. You are matching a written "marks". Probably V.
---Trav on 4/1/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Franchises


Michael E, "for this reason, I Paul the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles If indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery as I have briefly written already, by which, in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body and partakers of His promise through the gospel."
The Gentiles were included in the Covenant of Grace, but was made known to Paul and the prophets during Paul's ministry. It was not added to the Covenant, just never revealed until it was to Paul.
---MarkV. on 4/1/10


This artical of Faith has to do with this:
Rev 2:1 To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,
These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: 2 I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars, 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My names sake and have not become weary. 4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

Do you know what Church this is?
Peace Unto You
---Ed on 4/1/10


If you look in Ephesians it says covenant"S" of promise ...more than one given to ISRAEL. However the EVERLASTING Covenant was the promise of the Messiah,given to ADAM Genesis 3:15 and more fully revealed to Abraham that all families of the earth will be blessed. THIS BLESSING is salvation.

It also states that Gentiles were not part of these Covenants MADE WITH ISRAEL, but Gentiles are brought near by the blood of Jesus PLEASE RE-READ!!...pointing back to the Everlasting Covenant, not the Mosaec covenant, or Palestinian Covenant ( land) etc.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/10


Trav, you keep bringing tribes and north and south and devorced and none devorced, but my answer had nothing to do with which or what, only that Israel, whichever you want to choose from, that through them, what was given to them in history, whichever you want to choose, was under the New Covenant to be for the Gentiles also. I know you don't like to talk about Gentiles and know that you like certain Jews but not all of them since you think they should be killed. Which ever you do not want to get killed then it must be those. Take your pick.
---MarkV. on 4/1/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Lead Generation


Eph.3:1 For this cause What cause?
God made a division between Israel and Gentiles
Eph. 2:12: In Time Past the Gentiles were "washed up," being: W ithout Christ, A liens from the commonwealth of Israel, S trangers from the covenants of promise, having absolutely no H ope-and lost and without God.

Dividing Circumcision and Uncircumcision was characteristic of Time Past. (Gen 12 into Acts)
Israel and God recognized this difference it is the basis of understanding much of the Bible.

How long did this difference last?
Eph. 2:13 "But Now" things have changed:

Gal. 6:15 "For in Christ Jesus NEITHER CIRCUMCISION AVAILETH ANYTHING, NOR UNCIRCUMCISION, but a new creature
---michael_e on 4/1/10


Michael Davis, the role Israel was to play was that through the Covenant that was meant for them was also going to go the Gentiles. .....
---MarkV. on 3/29/10

Nations/ethnos (gentiles)were the divorced Nothern house of Israel. All prophets prophesied about. Divorce, equaled far off, separated from GOD. Benjamite Apostles from (Married)Sth House of Israel sought Nth House out. Christ plainly tells mission. Matthew 15:24
... I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
1Peter 2:9...peculiar people..
Ezekiel 11:16
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Although I have cast them far off
Exodus 19:5...peculiar people
Deuteronomy 14:2...peculiar people
Deuteronomy 26:18..peculiar people
---Trav on 3/30/10


Michael Davis, the role Israel was to play was that through the Covenant ...
---MarkV. on 3/29/10

Is-ra-EL. Both Houses were not playing a role in a puppet show or movie!
They were collectively Married to GOD. The name means "Ruling with GOD".
It was to be re-established and process has begun. Witness Jer 31:31 & Heb 8:8
Regardless, it seems to make the heathen rage.
Psalm 2:1
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psalm 46:6
The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 98:2
The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
---Trav on 3/30/10


Michael Davis, the role Israel was to play was that through the Covenant that was meant for them was also going to go the Gentiles. Whether they rejected it or not, it was promised from the beginning but not made clear to anyone until Paul introduced that mystery to the Gentiles.
---MarkV. on 3/29/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Mortgages


Israel's role was also to function as a light bringing salvation to the Gentiles and bringing all nations to God (Isa. 19:24, 42:6).
---MarkV. on 3/27/10
But since the Nation of Israel wouldn't accept their role(Ex19:6)turning against Jehovah of the OT. Jesus in His earthly ministry under Law, The HS.in the stoning of Stephen. The ascended Christ called Paul, progressively revealing the dispensation of Grace, the Body of Christ.
---michael_davis on 3/28/10


Eph 3:1-9 Though God had promised universal blessings through Abraham, universal meaning Jews and Gentiles, in Gen. 12:3, the full meaning of the promise became clear when Paul wrote Gal. 3:28. Isaiah 49:6 predicted salvation to all races, but it was Paul who wrote of the fulfillment of that pledge (Acts 13:46,47). Paul disclosed a truth that not even the greatest prophets understood that within the church, composed of all the saved since Pentacost in one united body, there would be no racial, social, or spiritual distinction. Mysteries of Christ, (Eph. 1:9-12, 2:11,12, Matt. 13:11, 1 Cor. 2:7, Col. 4:3). Israel's role was also to function as a light bringing salvation to the Gentiles and bringing all nations to God (Isa. 19:24, 42:6).
---MarkV. on 3/27/10


We can only be saved through grace alone by faith alone by JESUS CHRIST alone.
---Samuel on 3/26/10

Samuel,you are right NOW, We(gentiles) who Were off Eph. 2:12-14 are now brought in by the blood of Christ.But in time past OT. and the four Gospels where were we as Gentiles? Matt. 10:5

Once you are a part of the Body of Christ, you are a member of the Body, and you have not replaced another member.
---michael_e on 3/26/10


Far from putting an end to replacement theology it confirms it. For it places Israel and the Church in one common covenant. Not two different ones. With one for gentiles getting saved and another for getting Jews saved.

We can only be saved through grace alone by faith alone by JESUS CHRIST alone.
---Samuel on 3/26/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Personal Loans


miche3754 on 3/22/10 I am seeing that the gentiles are being made joint heirs in Christ with Israel. So, bye bye replacement theology

Sounds good, Moses from Sinai, brought Law to Israel, Paul from Sinai brouhgt Grace by revelation to Gentiles

Eph3:2"If ye have heard of the dispensation (the economy, or administration) of the grace of God (like the Law came to Israel through Moses. How did the doctrines of Grace get to the Gentiles? the next part of the verse tells us) which is given me to you-ward:"
---michael_e on 3/25/10


Kathr4453 Thanks you finally agreed.
Even the 12 didn't know until after the fact
There are many gems of truth in the OT that we now see
Take away our NT and tell me how many you see.
---michael_e on 3/23/10

Take away our NT and tell me how many you see.
---michael_e on 3/23/10

michael_e, Great point!!!!

I knew if we hashed it out politely, we would see we do have the same thing in mind. My understanding is, the NT fulfills the old, the OT reveals the New.

God Bless Michael_e!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


Kathr4453 Thanks you finally agreed.
Even the 12 didn't know until after the fact
There are many gems of truth in the OT that we now see
Take away our NT and tell me how many you see.
---michael_e on 3/23/10


We can see this now thanks to the risen Christ, revealing it to Paul.
---michael_e on 3/23/10

michael_e, I believe you will see Jesus spent 40 days after His resurrection with his Apostles/desciples along with 500 or so. Do you think Jesus didn't tell them anything? What about Thomas who need to see Jesus to believe He really did rise again.

All the Apostles preached on Pentecost the RISEN CHRIST and salvation we have TODAY. Hebrews also stating "TODAY is the day of Salvation". All of Hebrews is pointing to the RISEN CHRIST!!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Auto Insurance


Abraham put his faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The 8th Day, is the Day of Jesus Christ,the NEW CREATION.

There are many gems of truth in the OT that we now see. The day the ARK RESTED was exactly the day Christ rose from the dead nearly 4000 years later.

ALL these truths are in scripture! Paul did not preach a Gospel not found in OT. That would be like Joseph Smith coming up with a totally new Gospel.

Galatians clearly say that Paul went to Jerusalem and presented them with what God had revealed, and they had NOTHING New to add,(and were not shocked by another Gospel he had but they didn't) giving him the right hand of fellowship. Paul went to the Gentiles, Peter the Jews with the SAME GOSPEL!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


Kathr4453..

If we did not have the N.T. to go by, you would have no idea what Isa. 53 and Psa. 22 were talking about. Even the 12 didn't know until after the fact.

michael_e, even circumcision on the 8th day, was in reference to the NEW DAY. All thee were in the OT, yet not fully revealed to us until Christ rose again.
We can see this now thanks to the risen Christ, revealing it to Paul.
---michael_e on 3/23/10


Kathr
Even the 12 didn't know until after the fact,


---michael_e on 3/22/

michael_e, David knew spoken in Psalms 22, Isaiah 53 prophesied of this very thing.

90% of OT prophesy concerning the RISEN Christ who will come to take the thrown of David was spoken of, however teh CHURCH was not revealed.

michael_e, even circumcision on the 8th day, was in reference to the NEW DAY. All thee were in the OT, yet not fully revealed to us until Christ rose again.

Paul tells us in Phil 3 at the beginning tht WE are teh TRUE Circumcision, and further tells us in Colossians 2 what true circumcision is.

1 Cor 2 tell us WHY it was kept secret until Christ rose again.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/10


---kathr4453 on 3/22/10 Of coarse Abraham understood the death and resurrection. Hebrews says he saw it in a vision when he was asked to lay Isaac upon the alter.

Kathr
Even the 12 didn't know until after the fact,

Luke 18:31 He told the twelve,..32 he shall be delivered to the Gentiles, ..33. they shall, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34.But the disciples understood None of these things, and the meaning of this statement was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend the things that were said.
---michael_e on 3/22/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Holidays


Abraham was simply told that through him nations would be blessed.Is there scripture indicating he understood anything of salvation (death, burial, resurrection)? michael_e


Oh my Michael_e, certainly. In Isaac will thy seed be called, the seed is Christ. Of coarse Abraham understood the death and resurrection. Hebrews says he saw it in a vision when he was asked to lay Isaac upon the alter.

From Genesis 3:15 on Salvation was known about and the Abrahamic COVENANT is that ROOT spoken of in Romans 11.

The STARS = heavenly calling

The sand of the sea...Earthly Israel
---kathr4453 on 3/22/10


I am seeing that the gentiles are being made joint heirs in Christ with Israel.
So, bye bye replacement theology.

We are no longer considered Jew or Gentile when we accept Christ. When we are adopted into his body, the two separate branches become part of ONE vine.

SO, according to this and other scripture, its not as some would say that only Israel is going to be saved.
It appears that Paul is saying gentiles will be saved too.
Kind of blows the "only the 12 will be rescued" thing out of the water too.
---miche3754 on 3/22/10


Kath4453 Salvation to Gentiles was never a Mystery Kept secret until Paul. That was told to Abraham that Gentiles would be saved, as Paul tells us again in Galatians
(you might ask Peter Acts 10)
Abraham was simply told that through him nations would be blessed.Is there scripture indicating he understood anything of salvation (death, burial, resurrection)?

How would they be saved?
It was kept secret and there was no way the O.T. saints could know it. It was in the mind of God.(Deut, 29:29) There was no way He was going to let them understand. (Rom.11:25,16:25)
The 12 didn't understand. (Luke 18:34)
---michael_e on 3/22/10


Rather than Gentiles being saved through the rise of Israel to prominence, as in time past, today salvation is being sent out in spite of Israel, even through their fall:
---michael_e on 3/20/10
Salvation to Gentiles was never a Mystery Kept secret until Paul. That was told to Abraham that Gentiles would be saved, as Paul tells us again in Galatians.

The MYSTERY is the CHURCH, a unique body of Believers who are Christs Body, bone of his bone, flesh of His flesh as Paul concludes in Ephesians 6 that THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY..having a Heavenly Calling, not an earthly one.

OT believers could not say I AM Crucified with Christ, nor will those of Earthly Israel when fulfilled say I AM Crucified with Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Insurance


The Apostle Paul was writing that the Gentiles were now included in this "mystery" of salvation. Up to now Gentiles, except for isolated cases, did not know about salvation through Christ.
---wivv on 3/21/10


In the OT, 4 gospels, and the first part of Acts, there is a pronounced difference in Jews and Gentiles.
In this new "dispensation of the grace of God" revealed first to Paul, Jews and Gentiles are placed on an equal basis, God recognizing "no difference" between them.

Rather than Gentiles being saved through the rise of Israel to prominence, as in time past, today salvation is being sent out in spite of Israel, even through their fall:
---michael_e on 3/20/10


The MYSTERY Paul is talking about is also told to us in other places and more fully explained in other letters he has written.

The Mystery *Colossians 1:27 is Christ in you, the Hope of Glory.

Paul continues in Ephesians 3:14-the end, Which EXPLAINS verses 1-9, Paul says AND FOR THIS REASON , that we sould be strengthened by MIGHT in the inner man, that we would understand the breadth, length height depth of ALL this truth and we would KNOW the Love of Christ (intimitely) in us that surpasses all knowledge, and that Christ in us, God is doing abundantly above anything we could possibly ask or think according to HIS POWER at work in us.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/10


The greatest mystery of God is "Who is He?" I can claim this with the evidence that all Scripture points us to the nature of God, convinces us of his sovereignty, enlightens us to our purpose in Him, and is culminated in the person of Christ Jesus to convince us and the people of his time that God has a REASON for His interation with Mankind.

God, since Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden, has been continually striving to bring Mankind to an understanding of Who He is, and our place in His reality. That has always been the question, hence the "mystery"
---Elaine on 3/20/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Dating


God gave Paul power to minister grace to us Gentiles (non-Jews). This grace is the working of God's almighty power of love that makes people become God's *adopted* (Romans 8:15) children, by delivering people "from the power of Satan to God" (see Acts 26:15-18). Through Paul, God has now revealed this, that we Gentiles are to share with Christian Jews in being in God's own Family, with Jesus as our Groom. We are His Bride, together, Jews and Gentiles in God's same one love (Romans 5:5), sharing in this one love which is "without partiality" (James 3:17) like the favoritism of human marriages that self-destruct. With Jesus, we are *all*-loving (Matthew 5:46, 1 John 4:17). Now is the time for this (2 Corinthians 6:2).
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/20/10


The verses are simply stating that Paul had been given the privilege and the assignment of being an apostle of the gospel of the grace of the Father through the Lord Jesus, The Christ, to those who previously had no knowledge of the salvation ordained, for those given to 'believe' rely on, adhere to, and trust in Him, from the foundation of the world. "That in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one 'all things' in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him.
---Josef on 3/20/10


It seems to be saying that Paul got a private revelation from God saying that the Jews are no longer God's exclusively chosen people.
---ger.toshav on 3/19/10


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.