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Is Depression An Evil Spirit

Secular people say all depression is medical, can't involve an evil spirit. Is there depression with spiritual roots in Satan's "spirit who works in the sons of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2)? If there is, how to we diagnose and treat this?

Moderator - Yes, there are times that depression is a demon. Command the spirit of depression to leave in the name of Jesus Christ, plead the precious blood of Jesus Christ over their mind. Pray and fast before doing the above and have the person you pray for read their Bible for one hour a day for a month. The above is an effective start.

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StrongAxe: "Are you [kathr4453] a psychiatrist or biochemist, to be expert enough to make such claims?"

There are two ways to become an expert without going to school:

One, a women never finished high school and had kids at an early age. Her name escapes me at the moment. Her husband came down with cancer and she read up on everything about cancer. She is now the number one person to do to about cancer even my medical professionals thfoughout the world.

Two, by the Holy Spirit who freely gives knowledge to those who ask.
---Steveng on 9/13/14


Moses was asked to make a serpent out of bronze. But the serpent out of bronze DID NOT cured leprosy. Their obedience of looking at the serpent THROUGH FAITH cured the Leprosy.

A stick hitting rock does not produce water either or part seas, or turn water into blood.

Walking 7 times around any city will not make the walls come tumbling down.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14


StrongAxe "Jesus used both kinds of cures, e.g. exorcism on demon-possessed man, and mud (i.e. physical) on a blind man." Yes, absolutely, and Hezekiah was told to make a poultice of figs - 2 Kings 20:7. That is very much like Herbalism.
---Rita_H on 9/11/14


Strongaxe,
I believe you and Kathr are saying the same thing. Kathr mentioned that if God wanted to use a physician to heal you He would. Even the use of drugs are needed many times. And of course drug companies make a lot of money on the pain of individuals. We all know that. In fact they have cures already that are not yet out because they hold them out, to make more money on what is out there already. Why bring out the cure they say. So I see both of you writing the same but arguing as if you are not saying the same thing concerning doctors and drugs.
---Luke on 9/11/14


Hi Strongaxe. The blind man was cured by faith, not mud. And the blind man never gave credit to the mud. And you never see after that mud curing blindness. I don't see that as a physical cure like chemicals in one's system.

I'm sure there are many cases drugs do help. I don't doubt that. But it's not a cure, only a masking one must be dependent on all their life. Which I also understand has to be changed periodically, as was Robin Williams, on here another different type of drug. We will never know if those drugs actually did more harm, until we see The Lord.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/14




Kath4453:

Your entire message was in italics, and didn't specify a reference, so I had no idea you were quoting an expert. Your later message cites anecdotal evidence of someone for whom a spiritual cure worked better than a drug cure. I have personally seen people for whom drugs helped remarkably. As I said earlier, it depends on whether the root cause is spiritual or physical. Jesus used both kinds of cures, e.g. exorcism on demon-possessed man, and mud (i.e. physical) on a blind man.
---StrongAxe on 9/10/14


//God is able to see what it is and has the power to transform and heal whether it's spiritual or physical. The word of God is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword piercing between soul and spirit, "joint and marrow" who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities where we can find help in time of need. And believe me, if God sees that it is a medical issue, and if our own great physician can't help, He'll put you into the hands of someone who can.//

Kathr,
right on. God controls all things, if something is wrong with someone and God wants to heal him/her, they will be healed. If a person is close to dying, He can bring life to him/her and allow the person to live to the time God set for him/her. Agape
---Luke on 9/10/14


Strong axe, if you saw it was italicized, meaning it was a quote from an expert.

I can give you a personal experience, seeing with my own eyes someone who was on these drugs most of his life, making our family one living HELL until he was saved. He was an orphan, abused horribly, brilliant beyond measure, the list is too long to say here. He was given more drugs than I can remember. I actually started taking them myself, his that is, just to cope, and then one day to try to escape. Well, my father got saved StrongAxe, and guess what, The Lord delivered him from all drugs, and his life after that was awesome. So yes, maybe in a way I am somewhat of a witness to God's amazing grace, not only in his life but my own.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/14


Strongaxe, I honestly believe that what we are seeing today this unbelievable need for mind altering drugs, God also calls sorcery in scripture, is the same sorcery spoken in Revelation. We have no idea what these drugs are doing to folks, and we are seeing these kids mass murdering have been on these drugs.

And many Dr. Are pushers too, asking patients if they NEED this or that when going in for nothing more than an ingrown toe nail.

They now know Redlin is the cause of horrible birth defects to our now generation of young adults who were first prescribed these drugs.

No one has the perfect CURE ALL drug for depression. Just ask Robin Williams....oops, too late!
---kathr453 on 9/10/14


Finally Strongaxe, as you pick apart the Experts words, ( not mine) on what authority or expertise do you have in this area yourself? Are you a Dr., a chemist? What personal studies have you conducted that we may read your works of contribution to this subject?

The fact is ETHICAL Dr are warning people. Why? Because they see what is going on inside this whole mess. And low and behold, more Americans than any other nation are on these drugs. Why are more Americans depressed than anywhere else in the world? Something in our soil, our water, our food? NO, something in our culture. Or lobbyists in our government?
---Kath4453 on 9/10/14




I would say that its both along with a sickness of the soul. The events in their live have become so overwhelming that not just the mind but the body carrys a great heavy sadness. People that are suffering from this need your love more then ever before.
---darkocean on 9/9/14


kathr4453,

Are you a psychiatrist or biochemist, to be expert enough to make such claims? Many people who have benefited greatly from such drugs.

However, the partnership between the psychiatry and pharmaceutical company has turned the psychiatric drug industry into an $80 billion profit center

True. It is much easier (and more profitable) to throw drugs at people to keep treat their symptoms than to find the root causes and cure them once and for all.

One significant danger of psychotropic drugs is that they can upset the delicate processes within your brain needed to maintain your biological functions

It is a shell game - is the treatment worse than the disease? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/14


Psychotropic drugs have no measurable biological imbalances to correct. However, the partnership between the psychiatry and pharmaceutical company has turned the psychiatric drug industry into an $80 billion profit center
People are led to believe that chemical imbalance is the cause of psychological problems and that drugs are needed to correct this. Yet, there is no scientific proof for this belief. This is merely a massive marketing gimmick to support psychotropic drug use
One significant danger of psychotropic drugs is that they can upset the delicate processes within your brain needed to maintain your biological functions
---kathr4453 on 9/9/14


Peter:

One person may be depressed due to a natural chemical imbalance. Another may be depressed because a spirit is messing with his mind and body. The first is purely chemical, and should be treated chemically, the second is spiritual, ands should be treated spiritually. The symptoms of both are the same, so discernment is needed to distinguish the two cases.

Note the example of the man who was mute due to a spirit. Muteness is, in most cases, a purely physical or psychological issue, not a spiritual one.
---StrongAxe on 9/8/14


StrongAxe on 9/7/14: 'Depression CAN have spiritual causes, but that doesn't make it, itself, a spiritual illness.'

I will disagree there. IF depression DOES HAVE (direct) spiritual causes, then it is a spiritual illness.

If depression is from situation or from the body of the sufferer, then it is not spiritual.

But it MAY be a direct attack.
---Peter on 9/8/14


God is able to see what it is and has the power to transform and heal whether it's spiritual or physical. The word of God is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword piercing between soul and spirit, "joint and marrow" who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities where we can find help in time of need. And believe me, if God sees that it is a medical issue, and if our own great physician can't help, He'll put you into the hands of someone who can. Too many people are given drugs when they shouldn't be. And the commercials for these drugs.....anyone can be diagnosed with depression when the true symptoms are just plain everyday normal LIFE. Most today don't want to deal with life, they want to run from it.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/14


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Depression (and any other mental or physical ailment) CAN have spiritual causes, but that doesn't make it, itself, a spiritual illness. The very fact that, in many cases, depression (and other mental conditions, like bipolar disorder and schizphrenia) can be treated with drugs, indicates that they have physical causes.

There's nothing from stopping a demon from, say, somehow lowering one's serotonin levels, but the symptoms of depression are a direct result of the low serotonin, NOT the demon.

It is important to understand the root cause of one's depression. Treating a spiritual problem with drugs just temporarily masks symptoms. Treating a chemical imbalance with exorcism is useless and dangerous.
---StrongAxe on 9/7/14


There are many reasons for depression. Take a baby who is never held, loved or made to feel secure. statistics say 1/3 of the children of this world are abused. FEAR is what drives depression.

God's PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR. Experiencing the Love of God is the ONLY cure for depression. There is nothing in this world like it. Then with that you feel SECURE in the arms of God that no matter what happens HE is holding you, protecting you, and will NEVER let you go.

For those who suffer depression, The Lord is the ONLY one who can heal you completely and give you something beyond anything this world can give. Ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and ask him to search you and transform your life through HIM alone.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/14


The best medicine for depression is the Word of God having our minds transformed by the Word of God. God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of love, peace and a sound mind. Then read the verses...THINK OF THINGS GOOD, LOVELY ETC, and the peace of God will fill your heart and mind. This all takes obedience of faith, and is hard work , but I promise, you will see CHANGE. BUT, these promises can only belong to those already saved, as it is HIS power and Life in you that is transforming your mind and heart, conforming you to His Image, growing up into the fulness and stature of Jesus Christ, being STRENGTHENED BY MIGHT IN THE INNER MAN. The more of Christ in you is living out of you, you will be able to OVERCOME satan and his attacks.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/14


Depression comes when one knows the truth, but his mind is in conflit with the truth. An example is one know it is wrong to steal, but goes on stealing. A heaviness come upon the mind.

Spirit of heaviness. Isaiah 61:3

"...ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit." Isaiah 65:14

"I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me." Daniel 7:15

Then again there are unclean spirits for the mind is satan's playground. The angels of satan can wreak havoc on the person's mind.

Go to a searchable KJV bible and search for the word "spirit" and read all the verses.
---Steveng on 9/7/14


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Hello, Family Depression is a awfull wicked greedy spirit! It wants all you are and could be to take you out! Look how my neighbor son the doc' told him, they found cancer.. he went straight away to his room and hung himself, a young man bout 28 yrs.old
I wish I'd been able talk with him..
Horrible demons of depression rebuke in the name of Jesus keep us under the Blood of Jesus!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 9/6/14


I used to suffer severe depression for many years until I started to learn and finally knew without doubt that depression is a malevolent spirit. It is not a mental illness. I learned how to cast it out of me via prayer! Spirits of depression and other negative entities/energies sometimes enter people in their sleep when some are most vulnerable. However, when you learn to become aware whenever a depressive spirit is in you (takes practice)you can cast it out very easily. You force the depressive spirit to leave you by commanding it to leave in the name of God! Do it whenever you feel depressed! It's important to learn to change negative thinking to living in joy and gratitude instead. Learn to love and be happy!
---Jesse_L. on 8/12/14


I am proof that depression is a spirit. I went to sleep yesterday afternoon happy as can be... I wake up with sad feelings, and my mind feeling like it was being attacked by demons... I prayed the spirit(s) off of me and the feelings left right then and there.
---Jessica on 4/28/11


I will start by saying, Even some of the great men of old were depressed every now and then. Jonah became depressed, Elijah, Moses,David, Abraham, need I go on? Look depression can be solved by this and this alone, The Word of God and obedience to it. Notice the people I mentioned they became depressed when their thoughts were in conflict with the word of God. We all have our moments, but more moments oops a life in the word of God is the cure. You can pray, but if you don't obey you are just wasting your time.
---Tiffany on 5/20/10


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Cluny, I too am tired of hearing that people died because their faith was not good enough. Or because someone didn't pray for him/her or they didn't pray correctly. Giving the impression the prayers they pray are not going to be heard because somehow they did not word their prayers correctly. This is one of the main tools of the "Word of faith" movement so that you give more money, and if you didn't give enough it was because you did not have the right kind of faith. Those believes originate from the enemy who controls those who teach that stuff.
---MarkV. on 5/19/10


Moderator is correct!!! I have seen excellent results many times from following his suggestions.
---mima on 5/19/10


Bill-bela, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, does not mean he is dispressing them, or causing them to be physically ill, they are spiritually ill, and need healing from that diease. They need the Lord to heal them and bring life to them. The believers are not sons of disobedience, yet the enemy still harassess them to no end even more then he does the lost. But Greater is He who is in you, then he who is in the world.
God is never dependent upon our prayers to execute His will, if He was nothing would be done, for all come short of the glory of God. Our faith doesn't control God our faith, depend's on God.
---MarkV. on 4/11/10


Depression is a biological defense mechanism, which slows us down because we are no living to the glory of God. We have to re-tool ourselves, and change our life style habits, to more healthy habits.

Dave
---David on 4/7/10


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Steveng -- I agree. Corruption is everywhere. The corruption in Chicago seems more in the open. One gets the impression that corruption is just "the way it's done" there.
There are regional differences. Where I live now, nepotism is highly acceptable and embezzlement is common...nobody makes a big deal about it if the embezzler pays what is owed.
When I lived in another state, embezzlement was a scandal and one could have their career ruined because of it, even if the amount was small.
---Donna66 on 4/2/10


Donna66: "Steveng -- Maybe in Chicago, I could bet a penny and lose my life. (the more I learn about "The Chicago way", the more I could believe that). Nothing like that ever happened to me when I lived in LA....even in Compton, where I spent considerable time."

What do you mean by "the Chicago way?" (as if I didn't know) Do you really believe that Chicago is the only city that is corrupt? Every city both small and large is like Chicago, but not all cities show it. Most other cities are better at hiding their corrupted ways no matter how small. There is a little larceny in everyone.
---Steveng on 4/1/10


Donna66: "I'd go with you for a day if, I could find you. But I can't. So why don't you tell us all what a day with you would be like?"

If I told you what my days are like would you believe me? I could make up a grandeur story for you to read, but would you believe me? That is the downfall of these social networks - lies, white lies, exaggerations so to impress others. To really experience a person's day you would need to be in their shoes or walk along side of them. There is nothing better than face-to-face communication. Would you have a long-term marriage to a person without ever seeing him? Would you even recognize Jesus on these blogs or see him as just another blogger?
---Steveng on 3/30/10


Steveng -- Maybe in Chicago, I could bet a penny and lose my life. (the more I learn about "The Chicago way", the more I could believe that). Nothing like that ever happened to me when I lived in LA....even in Compton, where I spent considerable time.

I'd go with you for a day if, I could find you. But I can't. So why don't you tell us all what a day with you would be like?
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


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Donna66: "steveng -- WHY do you assume I'd lose evrything I own and then some? I didn't even tell you WHAT I would bet!"

You don't have to, you would lose your life just by betting a penny.


Donna66, cluny, you two surely assume much. You assume that I live in my little own cocoon isolated from the world. I've been around crowds of people since I was eight years old working at my dad's restaurant in Chicago. Since I began posting to these christian blogs, I have challenged anyone, or anyone they know in the Los Angles area, to spend a day with me. My offer still stands.
---Steveng on 3/29/10


\\Poor woman, nobody knew how to pray the "right" way, so God let her suffer and die. Do you REALLY think God functions this way?
---Donna66 on 3/27/10\\

Thank you, Donna66!

I, for one, sure don't.

How many human parents give their children gifts, or even provide their needs, only if they ask "the right way"?

Would you, Steveng?
---Cluny on 3/29/10


steveng -- WHY do you assume I'd lose evrything I own and then some? I didn't even tell you WHAT I would bet!

You still don't sound to me like someone who has spent much time with the seriously ill or injured. You sound more like one who prays the "right way", and specifically. But if they aren't healed, you think, oh well it's their own (or their family's) lack of faith... and you go on your way and forget them. You speak only of the ones
who recovered.

I've met a lot of people like you. I've spent hours mopping up the tears of my quadraplegic patients, and days trying to comfort them after you have written them off.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


Spiritual beings do effect our bodies. God is the Spiritual Being who created the whole universe. And Satan's spirits had physical effects on people when they possessed them. And there can be lesser effects when there is not a total possession. While we do things in sin, we are effected by the wrong spirit of our sinning. And there can be chemical effects.

Spiritual beings have emotions. While we submit to God in His love, His love's emotions are like Jesus, "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:29). If our depression is really just chemical and physical, then deeper we have joy and sweetness of peace, because we are submitting to the Holy Spirit.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/28/10


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Prayer is supposed to be conversations between people and God. If it only works when the exactly correct words are used, it ceases to be conversation, and is transformed into a magic ritual where the slightest mistake makes it not work - and constantly repeating the same ritual in hopes that one time we might just HAPPEN to get it right becomes vain repetition (see Matthew 6:7), trying to invoke God as if he were some kind of magic genie who responds if we rub the lamp the right way. This is magic, NOT prayer.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/10


Donna66: "Steveng---My bet is..."

You would lose everything you own and then some.
---Steveng on 3/27/10


This is such a lengthy subject so I'll try to answer as simple as I can. If your thought are constantly bombarded with negative feelings and thoughts if it is without reason or Go's beyond reason, then your involved in Demonic attack. Drugs can impair your vision and thought process so those are factors that firstly need to be addressed.

After all is assessed and the continuation of depressive thought continue, you have to trust in God read the gospels/ Job/ Davids account of depression in psalms. The Lord will speak to you through what you read, eventually with the use of prayer/fasting continual rejection of those thoughts, replacing them with psalms and Positive songs, you will over come no matter how long, never give up.
---Carla on 3/27/10


I believe the moderator is right.
---shirley on 3/27/10


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Steveng---

My bet is you've had little experience with, or personal exposure to, serious illness or injury. You are like Job's comforters.

Do you REALLY think Cluny's mother would have been be healed if ONLY people knew how to pray? It's the difference between being vague about your request and being very specific. It's the difference between asking the right way and asking the wrong way., you say.

Do you assume they didn't pray SPECIFICALLY?
I don't know anyone facing this who doesn't pray specifically...and every other way they can think of!
Poor woman, nobody knew how to pray the "right" way, so God let her suffer and die. Do you REALLY think God functions this way?
---Donna66 on 3/27/10


Steveng:

Doing something Jesus did or commanded us to do, and being persecuted as a result, is being persecuted in Jesus's name.

Unfortunately, many Christians behave obnoxiously or in ways diametrically opposed to how Jesus would behave or taught us to behave, and if anyone complains, they wrap themselves in a cross and complain that they are being persecuted "in the name of Jesus". In reality, they're being persecuted in their OWN names, because they're obnoxious, the kinds of people Paul wrote about:

Romans 2:24
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."
---StrongAxe on 3/27/10


\\No doubt about it, a definate 'Yes." I would gladly be persecuted in Jesus' name just as Stephan did.\\

You're not being persecuted for Jesus's sake.

You're acting NOTHING like Jesus.

I'm upset with your post because it shows an utterly unfeeling, stony heart with no understanding of those who have actually been in this situation.

Please keep things straight.
---Cluny on 3/26/10


StrongAxe: Steveng:I didn't say "belief in God is wrong". I said something in the scenario was wrong..."

I knew exactly what you meant.
---Steveng on 3/26/10


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Cluny: "Would you like to be first in line, Steveng?"

No doubt about it, a definate 'Yes." I would gladly be persecuted in Jesus' name just as Stephan did.

Anyone else would like to stand next in line after Cluny?
---Steveng on 3/26/10


Clinical Depression is a PHYSICAL disease, not a mental one, and NOT a lack of faith. It is an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, where the brain cannot make a certain chemical. A person can have faith to move mountains, but if he doesn't have that chemical, he will be depressed.

I will admit that a person can be attacked by a demon, and feel depressed, but this is very rare, don't you think?
---FatherBrendan on 3/26/10


Yes, and if it an be cured by medication,and non-faith based therapy it is not demonic in nature
---francis on 3/26/10


Clinical Depression is a PHYSICAL disease, not a mental one, and NOT a lack of faith. It is an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, where the brain cannot make a certain chemical. A person can have faith to move mountains, but if he doesn't have that chemical, he will be depressed.

I will admit that a person can be attacked by a demon, and feel depressed, but this is very rare, don't you think?
---FatherBrendan on 3/26/10


Steveng:

I didn't say "belief in God is wrong". I said something in the scenario was wrong (i.e. people sincerely believing in God, yet finding their prayers unanswered, having their children die, and themselves sent to prison, and thus faith in God is brought into disrepute).

Some things I AM certain of is that God does NOT want to break people's faith. He does NOT want to kill people unjustly. He does NOT want unbelievers to mock believer's faith. The fact that all three of these things happen indicates that SOMETHING wrong is going on somewhere.
---StrongAxe on 3/25/10


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\\The only thing wrong with this scenerio is that of how much faith a person has\\

When my mother died of cancer with the left side of her face a gaping hole from the top of the eye socket to the lower jaw, I said I would cheerfully kick the head of anyone who said she died because we didn't have enough faith.

Would you like to be first in line, Steveng?
---Cluny on 3/25/10


StrongAxe: "Yet there are man very sincere and devout Christians who... No matter what your position on prayer vs. medicine is, there is something severely wrong with this scenario."

If what you believe that "something severely wrong with this scenario" then you don't believe the true power of God.

The only thing wrong with this scenerio is that of how much faith a person has. Most christians today, and I'm talking about a very huge number, don't know how to pray. It's the difference between being vague about your request and being very specific. It's the difference between asking the right way and asking the wrong way. Scriptures show you how to pray and gives many examples.
---Steveng on 3/25/10


kathryn: "Depression IS NOT AN EVIL SPIRIT..."

The root cause of any sickness is Satan.

Read:
James 5:14-18
Matthew 9:20-22
II Corinthians 4:8-18
Matthew 11:28-30
Hebrews 11:6
Ephesians 6:13-18
Luke 11:9
Matthew 6:5-6
1 Peter 3:12
Psalms 55:17
Psalms 142:1-2
1 John 5:14-15
Romans 8:26
James 1:6

We are living in the end times and the love of many has waxed cold.
---Steveng on 3/25/10


Depression IS NOT AN EVIL SPIRIT -
depression can be treated and managed with medication that when the right one works
chemical imbalance in the brian - however demons can defintiely speak thru other people
and attack you verbally and rob one of hope and happiness and self esteem that can lead to depression - the devil comes to rob kill steal and destroy
and in that case most definitely can cause depression - put thoughts in ones mind - yes
but not all depression is demonic but none of it isnt as well
---kathryn on 3/25/10


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\\Would God have people take medicine with side effects worse than the ailment? It is man who created medicine thinking that science is greater than God.\\

Not all meds have side effects, and not all people have the side effects associated with some meds. (Though I did know a person who would have all the bad side effects with any medicine he took.)

Nobody is saying that science is greater than God.

God works through natural processes, too.
---Cluny on 3/25/10


Steveng:

Yet there are man very sincere and devout Christians who acted on the beliefs you stated, relying solely on prayer, and did not get well (or worse, withheld medical treatment for their children, who subsequently died). No matter what your position on prayer vs. medicine is, there is something severely wrong with this scenario.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/10


Cluny: "ALL healing comes from God. If He wishes to work through medicine, or act sovereignly, it's still healing, and it matters not to me how He acts."

Would God have people take medicine with side effects worse than the ailment? It is man who created medicine thinking that science is greater than God.

Christians are suppose to have faith in God for healing. It's written in scripture. When a weak christian does get sick, who are we to turn to? Not man's medicine, but the church of the laying on of the hands.
---Steveng on 3/24/10


If God permitted Satan to afflict Job (who was an extremely righteous man), what makes anyone sure that the rest of us would be exempt from the same? Are we more righteous (and thus less deserving of it) than Job?


Donna5535:

Some medicines merely mask symptoms. Some reduce an affliction to a level where the body can fight it off by itself. Some suppress an affliction as long as they are taken. Some remove the affliction entirely. It depends on the medicine.

Pain killers fit into the first category. Insulin fits into the third category. Antibiotics fit into the fourth category. Many medicines have muliple purposes (for example, aspirin relieves pain and lowers fever and thins the blood).
---StrongAxe on 3/24/10


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Unlike Job, who was stricken because God SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED it, we cannot be taken control of by satan if we are an inner temple, StevenG.

I realize that many people are anxious to oppose anything being said, but they must also consider the effects they have on others by "opposing".

Satan can do nothing against us except seek our COOPERATION by TEMPTING.

In Jesus, we are lords/rulers of the spiritual world (we are even lords "of the sabbath")...

Mark 2:28
"the Son of man is lord EVEN of the sabbath".

2 Timothy 1:7
"GOD DID NOT GIVE US A SPIRIT OF TIMIDITY but a spirit of power".

RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 3/24/10


\\People who depend on medicines to cure whatever is ailing them depends more on the miracles of man instead of the miracles of God.\\

Non sequitur, Steveng.

ALL healing comes from God. If He wishes to work through medicine, or act sovereignly, it's still healing, and it matters not to me how He acts.

I just know He does.

Remember when God through Elijah told Namaan of Syria to take seven baths in the Jordan?

Sometimes, God wants us to humble ourselves and do something simple like taking a pill.

Remember, God uses the foolish things of this world (like simply taking medicine) to confound the wise.
---Cluny on 3/23/10


People who depend on medicines to cure whatever is ailing them depends more on the miracles of man instead of the miracles of God.

Depression is created when there is conflict in the mind. If a thief goes out and steals, knowing that it's wrong, then he has created conflict within himself and, in turn, depression.

Just reading the daily newspaper about events happening in the world shows how love has waxed cold in today's world and, in turn, depression takes its place.

By the way, Jesus said that when he leaves christians are to be able to do greater miracles than he so heal yourself.
---Steveng on 3/23/10


more_excellent_way: "The devil has no HOLD on a righteous man (satan and his demons can only TEMPT)."

Have you not read the Book of Job?
---Steveng on 3/23/10


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\\Cluny says: Sometimes, the Lord uses medicine to free people from depression.
Can I hear an amen? NOPE
\\

Donna, I know better. OK?
---Cluny on 3/23/10


Cluny says: Sometimes, the Lord uses medicine to free people from depression.
Can I hear an amen? NOPE

Cluny, medicine only masks the symptoms, it doesn't cure them.

I know you are smart, and I know you know this, but medicine doesn't cure depression, it is like putting a bandaid on a wound.
---Donna5535 on 3/23/10


\\Cry out to the Lord to set you free. "Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed."

* * *
Sometimes we can't get ourselves out of depression, but we can cry out to the Lord to do it for us, amen?\\

And sometimes, the Lord uses medicine to free people from depression.

Can I hear an amen?
---Cluny on 3/22/10


Cry out to the Lord to set you free. "Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed."

Surely it is you Lord who delivers me from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence, and no evil will come nigh my dwelling.

God acts when He hears His word being prayed like that.

Command that depression to GO IN JESUS NAME and keep doing that until it goes. Also, Pigs in the Parlor is a good book to read.

Sometimes we can't get ourselves out of depression, but we can cry out to the Lord to do it for us, amen?
---Donna5535 on 3/22/10


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If depression can be treated with medication, and therapy not of a religios nature, then it cannot be a demon spirit. It is a chemical imbalance
---francis on 3/22/10


Ephesians 2:2 says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." Satan's spirit "works" people to disobey. And Satan does have emotions witch can work very hard to dominate people, making them dictatorial about pleasures they expect. But Philippians 2:14 says, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," and people disobey this, by arguing (disputing), getting in emotional trouble, instead of Jesus Christ's "rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:29) Secular studies report housewives who say their depression problems started after increased *arguing* in their marriages. So, can the joy-killing spirit of disobedient arguing degrade someone into joy-deadness of depression, later?
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/22/10


\\We do not have to accept depression.\\

sandy, this is as loving and gentle and helpful as telling a depressed person to "Snap out of it! You're not supposed to feel that way."
---Cluny on 3/22/10


God has promised us peace,joy,love and a soundmind. We do not have to accept depression. God has given us the power to overcome. The problem is that people do not know how to obtain that power, but it is ours. We need to go into the enemy camp and take back what the devil has stolen from us. Some people accept depression in their lives. I don't! I live in victory with my victor!
---sandy on 3/21/10


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Terry:

Today, we worry about losing our jobs and losing our homes and not being able to afford electricity (TV and internet and air conditioning). 100 years ago, people worried about world war. 200 years ago, it was the Civil War. 800 years ago, it was the Black Death. 1000 years ago, it was the Crusades. 2000 years ago, it was invasion by Rome.

Every age has its dangers and traumas. The causes change, but the effects remain the same.
---Strongaxe on 3/21/10


terry --- You are so correct.

But I found an interesting thing a few years ago on a medical mission trip to the Native people in the mountains of Ecuador. These agricultural people still plowed by hand... maybe by ox or horse if they are lucky . They had to haul water from the valleys, usually on their backs, just to meet their daily needs.

But we saw cases of depression, bi-polar disorder, and anxiety reaction. Granted few of them were Christians. But they clearly were not victims of "modern society", either.
However when I reflected on their way of life, I could see that were exposed to much stress and uncertainty (and they suffered family problems very much like the rest of us!)
---Donna66 on 3/21/10


reading the word does help, however God did give us well trainned doctors to help. to ignor medical help while turning to Gods word is our human way of limiting Gods help for us.
---marvin on 3/21/10


Depression is a disease endemic in the demands of modern society. As jobs become scarcer, so employers expect greater productivity out of their workers, making redundant those who do not fulfil these higher expectation.

Those suffering depression are victims of modern society. Today's world is like a jungle where only the fittest survive.

My answer to depression is prayer and petition to our ever-merciful Lord Jesus Christ. Ask Him for the healing you need.

Secondly, the sufferer needs sanctuary. This can be found in the body and fellowship of the church, or the quiet of a manstery or convent

Thirdly, get out into quiet countryside and walk. Drink in the tonic of God's beaautiful and unique creation.
---Terry on 3/21/10


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...guilt from not "OBEYING" can cause a "depression". Christians that have a rebellious nature MUST, MUST...."OBEY" whether they like it or not. They must obey the law of commandments and ordinances/rules, but Christians who will WILLINGLY be peaceful and just (Ephes. 5:8,9) can observe the PERFECT law (the old law was IMPERFECT).

Ephesians 2:15
"by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances".

James 1:25

"the perfect law".

You are observing the wrong law.

The Israelites did not have THE FINAL CLEANSING, we do. If they did,....

Hebrews 10:2
"they would no longer have any consciousness of sin".

Verses from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 3/20/10


I don't know anyone who says that all depression is medical.

Ephesians 2:2 has nothing to do with depression.

One Christian psychologist opined that if anti-depressants start working immediately (usually, they take several weeks to take effect), this case of depression might be demonic.
---Cluny on 3/20/10


I was depressed for 51 years because past experiences traumatized/demoralized me so that I could no longer relate to/identify with reality (ALIENATED from reality, psychological/emotional "depression").

There is also a kind called CLINICAL/medical depression where the body isn't getting/absorbing enough vitamins/minerals/enzymes...then you will feel 'run down' depressed.

If you are EMOTIONALLY depressed, you have no doubt noticed that 'this world' is certainly no "heaven" and you are "poor in spirit"...(Matthew 5:3...the INNER kingdom).

The truth is not shallow, it can only be found if you LOOK DEEPLY.

The devil has no HOLD on a righteous man (satan and his demons can only TEMPT).
---more_excellent_way on 3/20/10


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