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How To Encourage A Pastor

How do you encourage a Pastor that feels let down by his peers?

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wow! Praise God! I thank God for givin' me a NEW Life n Christ Jesus! Now,is the hour to stop the "pastor bashing"... God did it ALL for me.. The nr. Year being home/illness .. It's time to DO what God will LOVE .. Encourage Pastors .. God promised n His word.jerHe will give us Pastors acc. To His heart.I thank God for my pastor.. I try to be of help where ever n Respectfull... Love means clean,cook,play music,errands,dump the trash....Welcome New comers... Do whatever to show Love of God! We are to Be Loving & forgiving ...seek peace n pursue it! Oh,yes... Give with a cheerfull heart our finances...HE WANT OUR FAITH N HIM! GOD BLESS!L
---ELENA on 6/24/11


In contrast, it is the "church" that wants to take control of the laities money.
---Rod4Him

Very good, and to the point.

You and I have a choice - we can keep our money, or we can be givers.

The pastor has a choice - he can donate his time, or he can receive a salary.

I choose to be a giver, Paul chose to give himself to God and said he would rather die than sell the gospel. Pastors choose to be paid for their work.

I have also chosen to be a teacher of God's Word, FREE OF CHARGE.

Jesus said when you give to the needy, you are giving to Him. He NEVER said when you give to the church you are giving to Him.
---Gary on 3/29/10


KarenD -- I'm not out to bash Swaggart and Baker. Goodness knows they've been beat up enough. But the opinion of many about Christian leaders (or Christianity as a whole) has been permanently altered because of them. My only point is that "pastors" are not held in as high esteem as they once were.

I'm glad you said you know "few" who don't tithe. Because your "observation" about them ()i.e. I have come to the conclusion that what they are really doing is rebellion by seeking control over the financial part of their life) is certainly not well founded. It's obvious you know only a "few"! And who are you to judge their motives this way?
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


KarenD - And one thing that Jim Baker repented for was the false teaching of the tithe. Have you heard him lately??

Those I know who refuse to tithe to their church tithe nowhere. But they are generous givers. My experience and research shows that the biggest givers are NOT tithers.

Why is it that NO pastor can show me ANY scripture where God ever required anyone to tithe on anything that man made or earned? Why is it that NO pastor can show me ANY scripture to show that God gave the Christian Church permission to take His tithe?

GIVE SCRIPTURE, not nonsense. Do you think you are smarter than God? If not, then just follow His Word rather than change it.
---Gary on 3/29/10


KarenD, what you present is the typical position of the church,

//I have come to the conclusion that what they are really doing is rebellion by seeking control over the financial part of their life.//

In contrast, it is the "church" that wants to take control of the laities money. That's a bit self serving when the one receiving the money are telling the others to give the money to them.

The "church" lays a guilt trip on people telling them, "if you really love God, you'll give us your money."

So, in the name of God, and who wants to make God mad, "give us your money." jeezz..
---Rod4Him on 3/29/10




Those few people that I have known who insist in not tithing to their local church always have one thing in common. They generally say that they are paying tithes and offerings to their own ministry or they say they are helping other people with the money. I have come to the conclusion that what they are really doing is rebellion by seeking control over the financial part of their life. By the way, for those who continually bring up Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker, both these men repented years ago and have turned their lives around and are continuing ministering for the Lord. Isn't that the way Jesus taught????
---KarenD on 3/29/10


If God gives some the ministry of being a pastor, there's no harm in calling them that.
---Cluny

The harm is this - Man has placed his job description (title) and/or education degree in front of his name for status purposes, or for boasting. Many INSIST that you address them by their title. One pastor I know said he didn't care whether you address him pastor or bishop. Another said you can address him as Dr. or pastor. But these same pastors don't address me as Mr., but rather by my first name. In other words, they believe we are disrespecting them if we don't call them by their title, but they don't have to respect us. DOUBLE STANDARD.

Some show their belief that they are superior or better than the rest of us.
---Gary on 3/29/10


Cluny, Paul never said to call them "pastors, teachers." He said that is what they do. Paul doesn't refer to Timothy as pastor or bishop. Paul just says Timothy.

If the decision is to follow Jesus' clear teaching, or Paul's assumed teaching, I'll stick with Jesus. :)
---Rod4Him on 3/28/10


Cluny, maybe I should drop the issue of holy traditions as I don't want to focus on disagreements.

However, I'll try to discuss this without causing dissention. II Thess. 2:15 uses the word "tradition" without a direct explanation which "traditions" Paul is talking about, but II Thess. 3:6 has an explanation. The "traditions" were the godly life and the behavior that believers were to live. Matter of fact, Paul goes on to describe one tradition of not taking "bread," money, but they worked for a living. That was the "traditions," not particular doctrinal beliefs. Read all I Thess 3 for some "traditions" Paul was talking about.
---Rod4Him on 3/28/10


Cluny, furthermore, hopefully you see that I do believe the Bible, and I go to the Bible to see what it says, not what others say it says.

Along the same line, the Bible uses a term "doctrine." Most people think "doctrine" means statements of faith. In contrast, most Biblical usages of doctrine means behavior, not churches statements of belief, unless those statements refer to behavior.

I know we disagree on some particulars, but I respect your trust, faith, and maturity in Christ.
---Rod4Him on 3/28/10




\\1) Jesus taught, Matt 23, don't be called Rabbi. Why? because you only have One Master. These "pastors, teachers, rabbis" love the places of honor. Ususally it's the "pastors, bishops, teachers" who complain the loudest of wanting/needing the honor.

So, I guess Jesus is in error.\\

Here's some scripture teaching for you, Rod4Him.

>>Ephesians 4:11
And he [God] gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,<<

If God gives some the ministry of being a pastor, there's no harm in calling them that.

Or was St. Paul in error?
---Cluny on 3/28/10


Cluny -

Mark 7:13 (KJV)
Making the word of God of none effect through your TRADITION, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 (KJV)
2Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
---Gary on 3/28/10


Gary, as you I believe we should give to the church if we attend one. If not then give as much as we can afford to give to other ministries that help Children and adults or single mom's who look for a place to get away from their abusive husbands. The giving God wants from us is our sacrifice. To sacrifice ourselves for others.
The giving to the church whether for utilities or maintance is still for the cause of God because it is to support a place of worship for the believers. In a home church, we could take food, or drinks, or some kind of a sacrifice to help for all who meet.
---MarkV. on 3/28/10


Gary,
I hope you don't think that all church members believe things just because pastor What's-his-name says so. (your post 3/28)

Perhap it was so in the days when the pastor was usually better educated than his flock and when pastors were generally looked up to (pre- Jimmy Swaggart, the Bakers etc)

New Christians may think this way because they have little Bible knowledge and some may fall back on this because they are too insecure to try to back it up themselves.

A lot of people who go to church have ideas of their own. They don't believe it is required to believe every "jot and tiitle"
of what their pastor..uh, clergyman (?) teaches.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


\\ He happens to believe in "Holy Traditions" and I don't.\\

Rod4Him, if you believed the Bible, then you would believe the verse that says, "Keep the TRADITIONS you have been taught, whether by our word or epistle."

2 Thess 2:15.
---Cluny on 3/28/10


KarenD said, "Gary....That's what I said before. With you, it is all about the money."

Again, NO, it is NOT all about the money as I am a very generous giver. It is about the TEACHING of money.

To me, those who teach and collect the tithe are ALL ABOUT MONEY. They take a stand and then try to find scripture to back it up, but it isn't there. They take verses out of context to support their teaching.

PLEASE don't take this personal, but IN MY OPINION, those who teach and collect the tithe are either ignorant or liars.
---Gary on 3/28/10


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KarenD said to Rod4Him, "You might try going to a church that has the umbrella of a denomination with Bible-based doctrine instead of man-made doctrine."

Tithing on one's income is man-made doctrine. Tithing to a Christian Church is man-made doctrine. Putting your name on a contribution envelope goes against God's Word of giving in secret.

Using Pastor or any other religious title in front of your name is also man-made as you won't find any example in the Bible of doing so.

Man has taken God's wonderful Church and turned it into a business.
---Gary on 3/28/10


KarenD, granted, I have given up on the institutionalized/organized church. However, how does a person know the difference between the "pastor" that is "called," and the "self-called?" Because they tell me so?

There are thousands of "pastors/teachers" each claiming to be called of God.

I can concede that somehow God never let me find the church you describe for some reason, and that that church does exists somewhere, just not in my world.

My conscience won't allow me to visualize having to explain to God, "Well, 'pastor' so and so told me so, therefore I did what I did and believed what I believed."
---Rod4Him on 3/28/10


Gary....That's what I said before. With you, it is all about the money.

Rod4Him....We have lots of pastor friends who do not fall into the catagories that you describe. You might try going to a church that has the umbrella of a denomination with Bible-based doctrine instead of man-made doctrine. In the church my husband pastors there are many ministers and more than one pastor. We have no problem with people who are truly called ministering in the church. It's the one who are self-called with whom we have a problem.
---KarenD on 3/27/10


MarkV. - you've only read my comments about tithing. As far as giving,...

I believe in generous giving, grace giving, giving from the heart, sacrificial giving, etc. I believe those who attend a church are morally obligated to support that church financially. But let's be honest - giving to a church is NOT giving to God. Giving to a church is for paying salaries, rent or mortgage payment, utilities, etc.

Jesus said that giving to the needy is giving to Him.

Yes, generous giving, from the heart, NOT under compulsion. Give, and then give more.
---Gary on 3/27/10


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Scriptural teaching.

1) Jesus taught, Matt 23, don't be called Rabbi. Why? because you only have One Master. These "pastors, teachers, rabbis" love the places of honor. Ususally it's the "pastors, bishops, teachers" who complain the loudest of wanting/needing the honor.

So, I guess Jesus is in error. Anybody using simple engish understanding can understand the meaning of the passage, otherwise scripture becomes meaningless to those who can read. They must need the "clergy."

2) I may not have been clear. The "pastors" tend not to submit/humble (I Peter 5:5) to fellow believers, not only fellow "pastors."
---Rod4Him on 3/27/10


4) 58 times and other similar expressions refer to "one another." Such as, exhorting one another, teaching one another, loving one another, rebuking one another, and so on. This is "ministering to one another."

I know the confusion is because many think only the "clergy" does the ministering.

5) Where do you get "called?" All have gifts to do the work of the ministry (I Corin 12:5)"...there are a varity of ministries.."

This "calling" by "pastors" is usually put forth such as, "God called me, so listen to me."

As Cluny asked, on what basis should we listen?
---Rod4Him on 3/27/10


On what basis should we listen, I know, tradition. However, I am not asking anyone to only listen to me, but to search the scriptures to see if these things are so or not.

Touche Cluny, why should we listen to you?

Don't get me wrong, I like and appreciate Cluny's contributions and insights. He happens to believe in "Holy Traditions" and I don't. I know, we could go round and round about what traditions many churches also follow.

Our challenge as believers is to follow Christ with a clear conscience ready to give an account for our beliefs and actions.
---Rod4Him on 3/27/10


Gary I've followed your comments and you are right that Tithing is over. But I disagree with you that we should not give the churches only because it is not written in the Bible. In fact many of the missionaries that go to countriees like Haiti, El Salvador, and others are supported by the churches they attend. The church cannot roll out money out of the air. And what these missionaries are doing is what God calls us to do, spread the gospel, help the needy, build churches in other countries so that people can gather and hear the gospel. Teach other people, and many doctors go to help people in those countries. So I think you go to far with your thinking only because you don't agree with tithing. I don't either but you have to stop somewhere.
---MarkV. on 3/27/10


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Some errors of Rod4Him:

\\1) The "pastor" allows people to him "pastor" even ...\\

There is no verse of scripture that says not to call people pastor.

||2) Most "pastor's" do not submit to one another. ...||

Not true in Orthodoxy.

||4) Another error, i... not that all believers are to minister to one another.||

What do you mean by "minister to one another" and where does the Bible say this?

||5) They teach that they are "called," but others are not called, ..."
---Rod4Him on 3/26/10||

All of us are called, but not all called to the same thing.

Rod4Him, why should we listen to you?
---Cluny on 3/27/10


KarenD, there is a distinction between what a "pastor" teaches and what they do.

Some errors..

1) The "pastor" allows people to him "pastor" even though scripture is clear not to call anyone teacher or rabbi.

2) Most "pastor's" do not submit to one another. They seem to think that everyone is to submit to them.

3) The error of teaching of tithe has already been clarified.

4) Another error, is that the "pastor" teaches by actions and word that he is the one teaching, not that all believers are to minister to one another.

5) They teach that they are "called," but others are not called, so they need to listen to the "pastor."
---Rod4Him on 3/26/10


KarenD said, "Could you name three things which you think pastors err in preaching other than tithing?"

No. It only takes tithing to get me to walk out of the church.

Once The Spirit showed me the truth, and The Lord spoke to me through The Spirit, I realized just how corrupt the church has become. It absolutely sickens my stomach that church leaders have done this to our loving God. They have cheapened God's tithe from miracles of God to income from man. That's nothing but an insult to God.
---Gary on 3/26/10


Gary...So, basically, you have never found a church that teaches what you think is the truth. I find it strange that you have bounced from SDA to Baptist to others whose doctrine are totally different. Could you name three things which you think pastors err in preaching other than tithing? It would be interesting to see just what it is that you believe to be the truth.
---KarenD on 3/26/10


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Pastor's who teach "tithing" are in error, But it is a teaching that been traditional for many years. It would be nice if a pastor ... would say "ooops, I quess I've been wrong all this time".
---Donna66 on 3/26/10

Thanks, Donna. Actually, one pastor who said I was wrong later admitted that I was right, and he stopped teaching tithing. Another also thought I was wrong, but later stopped teaching tithing. But BOTH OF THEM would not admit their error to the church, and both of them continued using the word tithe, but used it for giving from the heart, but both of them did stop quoting Malachi 3:8-10 re robbing God. Another pastor said I was right but he had to teach tithing because people don't want to give.
---Gary on 3/26/10


gary,
I agree with you 100% about tithing. You must make it known that tithing is not required of any Christian! However, once you've stated this and the scriptures that prove it, you have no control how another pastor will react. He may well see you as trying to interfere with his ministry.

Don't be surprised or hurt by this. Pastor's who teach "tithing" are in error, But it is a teaching that been tradfitional for many years. It would be nice if a pastor who has taught this for years would say "ooops, I quess I've been wrong all this time". But DON"T expect it.
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


I don't know how to encourage a pastor who feels let down by his peers. Maybe he expected too much of his peers to begin with.

As an outsider, what I see is that pastors are often quite competitive with one another. You'd like to be able to trust someone who has problems and experiences similar to yours. But if they are competitive, DON'T.

(I'm a jaded old woman, anyway. I don't trust anyone on the basis of their Christianity. I trust them if they prove trustworthy.)
---Donna66 on 3/25/10


\\Cluny - I don't expect or want anyone to believe what I say. I want those reading my comments to research the topic on their own, and not accept what anyone tells them. They need to decide for themselves by using God's Word with prayer.\\

I have already done so, Gary, and you are wrong in many things you have posted here.
---Cluny on 3/25/10


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KarenD said, "Thank you for explaining why you are a church hopper."

I am not a church hopper. I spent many years at an SDA church, then left because of their racist ways. Then spent several years at a Word of God Church until The Lord sent me to a Baptist Church where I TAUGHT THE PASTOR the truth about tithing. From there I tried a few churches, but was not satisfied.

I now go to NO church as I am tired of the false teaching and absolutely REFUSE to attend any church that teaches and collects the tithe.
---Gary on 3/25/10


KarenD - It isn't all about money for me at all. It's all about false teaching.

I, myself, believe in generous giving, grace giving, free-will giving from the heart, sacrificial giving, etc. I have always been a giver. Because of my so many blessings, I was able to retire at the age of 50 and have since dedicated the rest of my life teaching God's truth to others, FREE OF CHARGE. There are pastors teaching from material I have written. I recently got an email from a woman who said she and her husband have been in ministry for 20 years and she had just come from a Bible Study Class where the instructor was using my material to teach from.

The Lord is using me to teach His truth. The lies have to stop before it's too late.
---Gary on 3/25/10


Gary...Thank you for explaining why you are a church hopper. Now I know it is all about money to you since you talked about tithing so much. When we give to our church we are helping to feed the hungry, clothe the naked as well as paying the bills. My husband (who is the pastor) and I believe fully in tithes and offerings out of our heart. And the Lord continues to bless us abundantly day after day, not just with finances resources, but with an over abundance of friends.
---KarenD on 3/25/10


Donna5535 said, "Gary, you said: The "obedience" part ENDED AT THE CROSS."

That is taking my comment OUT OF CONTEXT. What was I talking about? Tithing and giving. Therefore, I am saying the obedience relating to tithing/giving ended at the cross.

This is the problem with so many here. You not only take God's Word out of context, but now you are taking my comments out of context. No wonder you are confused.
---Gary on 3/25/10


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francis, start with Malachi 3:7 and you will see that God is talking about Numbers 18 which are His ordinances relating to tithing and giving. Next, start with Malachi 1 and you will find that the entire Book of Malachi is being spoken to the priests, NOT the people.

Malachi 1:14 explains how the priests were robbing God of the offerings.

In Nehemiah 13 we are told how the priests robbed God of the tithes by stealing, or robbing, the Levites portion.

It's all there if you take the time to study it. Pastors LOVE to take verses OUT OF CONTEXT to make the Word appear to be what they want it to say.
---Gary on 3/25/10


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture...
---francis on 3/25/10

Then don't leave out Deut 21:18-23. Be sure you kill your disobedient children.

Be sure you kill anyone other than a priest who worships in the temple.

Yes, we are to learn from all scripture, but that doesn't mean we are to follow every command that was given in the Old Testament. That's obvious and common sense. There were over 600 commands in the Old Testament. ONLY those brought forward are we to obey today.
---Gary on 3/25/10


Churches I have attended that teach you are robbing God if you don't tithe include: SDA, Baptist, Church of God, Pentecostal, non-denominational, plus a few others.
---Gary on 3/25/10

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture (EXCEPT Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.) is given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---francis on 3/25/10


Gary, you said: The "obedience" part ENDED AT THE CROSS.

It did? When? Didn't Jesus say, If you love me, you'll obey me? There are hundreds of references to the word obey in the entire New Testament. Please do a study on OBEY.

Obedience to God's word NEVER ENDS Gary and that's where I think you are in error.

I know these churches tell us we're robbing GOd. The bible tells us to test the spirits. I do that by asking God, is that true Lord, if I skip a tithe, am I robbing you Lord? Are you going to hold that against me?
---Donna5535 on 3/25/10


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Gary said: but that he must tell people they are robbing God because people just don't want to give.
Gary, then you are in the wrong church. A pastor should never have to tell his sheep they're robbing God just to get them to give.
---Donna5535 on 3/24/10

Churches I have attended that teach you are robbing God if you don't tithe include: SDA, Baptist, Church of God, Pentecostal, non-denominational, plus a few others.
---Gary on 3/25/10


Also, even if every member was young in the Lord, let's say anywhere from 2 years in the Lord to 10 years in the Lord, they should give out of obedience to the Word---Donna5535

No, Donna5535, in the New Testament Church, we give out of LOVE, grace, from the heart, NOT out of obedience. The "obedience" part ENDED AT THE CROSS.

Paying The Lord's Tithe in the Old Testament was to be obedient to The Lord, or to the Law. Now we are NO LONGER under the law to tithe, therefore, we do NOT give out of obedience. That's the whole point most miss. God looks AT THE HEART. We give out of LOVE, not obedience.
---Gary on 3/24/10


When you are in a love relationship with God and Jesus and Holy Spirit, you want to give, don't you?---Donna5535

Yes, I do. But The Lord's Tithe was a PAYMENT, not a gift. It was PAID, not given. Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate that when you give to a Christian Church you are giving to God. To the contrary. When you give to a local church, you are paying wages, rent, heating and cooling bill, etc. That is NOT giving to God. Jesus said when you give to the poor or needy you are giving to Him.

Giving comes from the heart, not out of obedience or compulsion. But giving to a church you attend is a moral obligation.
---Gary on 3/24/10


Gary said: but that he must tell people they are robbing God because people just don't want to give.

Gary, then you are in the wrong church. A pastor should never have to tell his sheep they're robbing God just to get them to give.

When you are in a love relationship with God and Jesus and Holy Spirit, you want to give, don't you?

Also, even if every member was young in the Lord, let's say anywhere from 2 years in the Lord to 10 years in the Lord, they should give out of obedience to the Word if they're not fully committed to the Lord. I almost laughed when I read your post...no Pastor should have to co-horse (I know I spelled that incorrectly) their sheep into giving.
---Donna5535 on 3/24/10


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"Cluny - I don't expect or want anyone to believe what I say. I want those reading my comments to research the topic on their own, and not accept what anyone tells them. They need to decide for themselves by using God's Word with prayer." (Gary)

And what if they do that and arrive at a different interpretation of Holy Scriptures than the ones you put forth in these blogs? I haven't found one in these blogs who do not adhere strongly to there beliefs/practices and believe there interpretations of Scriptures are correct.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/24/10


Cluny - I don't expect or want anyone to believe what I say. I want those reading my comments to research the topic on their own, and not accept what anyone tells them. They need to decide for themselves by using God's Word with prayer.

KarenD - The sad part is when, in a private meeting, the pastor, himself, tells me I am right (about tithing ending at the cross) but that he must tell people they are robbing God because people just don't want to give. They claim they are forced into the tithing lie in order to keep the church doors open. THEY ADMIT IT in private after I show them I really do know The Word as well as they do, and that they can't put one over on me.
---Gary on 3/24/10


\\Every single pastor of every single church I have attended has let me down by their false teachings due to either ignorance or flat out lies, by their portrayal of being better than others, by expecting others to believe what they say and don't question it\\

Is there any real difference between what you accuse pastors of and what you are doing yourself?

You expect US to believe that everything YOU believe and might teach is true, and we should accept what you say and no question it.
---Cluny on 3/24/10


Funny thing about people who have gone to multiple churches, yet still cannot find one pastor who is teaching the truth. Those people usually don't know the truth and have no intention of ever learning it as their own interpretation of the Word of God is all that matters. The point of being a Christian is that our lives line up with the Bible, not that the Bible line up with our lives.
---KarenD on 3/24/10


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Cluny..somehow along the way, I thought you were an Orthodox Priest. Is there such a thing, or does your church have pastors? Thanks, just curious.
---KarenD on 3/24/10


I have gone to many churches over the years, of many denominations and non-demoniational and have yet to find a pastor who I believe is setting the proper example. Every single pastor of every single church I have attended has let me down by their false teachings due to either ignorance or flat out lies, by their portrayal of being better than others, by expecting others to believe what they say and don't question it, by their talking bad about others, by expecting members TO SERVE THEM instead of them serving the members, etc. etc. etc. God has a lot to say about pastors in His Word, and it's not good.
Jeremiah 10:21, 12:10, 22:22, etc.

I trust no pastor any more than I trust a used car salesman. I put my total trust in God.
---Gary on 3/23/10


Well, it is possible that a pastor has wrong expectations, so that he then will feel even betrayed, when he is in fact trying to lord it over others, somehow. But if he is a true example, Peter is very clear how being God's example is basic to being pleasing to God and effective as a leader, "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) So, if you know he is leading by example, you can encourage him by simply confirming he's on the right track with what can most effectively reach pastors who aren't with it. And obey his example and thank him for being an example of how to love.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/23/10


By his peers, do you mean by other pastors?

Or by members of his congregation?

One thing I do is to tell him and his wife that we appreciate what they do for us and that he is being prayed for. And we take them out to lunch, which is a joy to us both!
---Cluny on 3/23/10


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Tell him to set his mind and eyes FIXED upon Jesus, not his peers.

Didn't Judas let Jesus down? Didn't Peter when he denied he knew Jesus? Didn't Thomas doubt Jesus?

How did Jesus react? He kept his sight on the Will of the Father and prayed to God, Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing." That should be this Pastor's prayer. And then he should ask the Lord to heal how he feels towards his peers.
---Donna5535 on 3/23/10


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