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Why Obama had his C.O.L.B. in Hawaii sealed from the American public?

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John:

If the birth certificate on the web is a fake, it should be easy to cite at least one or two sources, rather than just hand-waving "it was proven" and "most left-wing sites".

The certificate I cited does not list his race, but it DOES list his mother's race as "CAUCASIAN" and his father's as "AFRICAN". No mention of "African American".

A search for obama forged certificate finds sites about the forged Kenyan certifiate and a few tabloids with sensational headlines claiming the Hawaiian one is fake, but no reputable sources proves it. Also, how do you explain the birth announcement in the paper? Did someone anticipate his presidency decades ago?
---StrongAxe on 3/31/10


Show me the proof of your statement!

I did, please go back, and RESEARCH.. look at my old postings, not only here but other blogs.

The B.C. shown on the web has already proven to be a fake.

Only in the eyes of the birthers.

It was obvious from the begining, since the PC Liberals listed his race as "African American" a term not used in the early 60s.

The term "African American" has been around for over 140 years. It was used by Lincoln to describe freed slaves and has been used, off an on since then, INCLUDING the early 60's.

Pastor Jim, you really SHOULD research your statements.

OOOPS!
---John on 3/31/10
---NurseRobert on 3/31/10


AGAIN SHE DOES NOT SAY HE WAS BORN THERE DOES SHE.
Even when specifically asked she declined to answer only saying his B.C. is lawful
---John on 3/31/10

Actually, she did. .
---NurseRobert on 3/31/10

Show me the proof of your statement!


Strongaxe,
The B.C. shown on the web has already proven to be a fake. Even the most left wing sites have now admitted to it. THAT'S OLD NEWS.

It was obvious from the begining, since the PC Liberals listed his race as "African American" a term not used in the early 60s. It would have said Negro.

OOOPS!
---John on 3/31/10


Nurse Robert --
The fact is, Obama was able to take his detractors and make them into part of his administration, something they willingly did.
---Donna66 on 3/31/10


AGAIN SHE DOES NOT SAY HE WAS BORN THERE DOES SHE.
Even when specifically asked she declined to answer only saying his B.C. is lawful
---John on 3/31/10

Actually, she did. Furthermore, there are statements from others who did know about his birth. And why do you think the paper published his birth notice. Maybe that as a conspiracy, that 48 years ago, his mother KNEW he was going to grow up to be President and so she falsified the birth notice. It's simple, you choose to ignore facts placed in front of you.

You are purposely being obtuse. If you spend 1/100th the time actually researching the issue as you do posting your puffery, you would see just how ridiculous your statements are.
---NurseRobert on 3/31/10




John:

Perhaps you miss the point. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW for any Hawaiian government official to release any birth certificate information to anyone except the individual in question (i.e. Obama), or other relevant parties (for example, courts who have issued a subpoena). Since the media is neither of these, she was NOT ALLOWED to give any specific information (even something simple such as place of birth).

On the other hand, Obama is free to release his own certificate, and his people have done so - there are photocopies of it on the web for anyone to scrutinize, and also affidavits of people who have actually seen the original and can attest to the fact that the photos on the net accurately represent the original that they saw.
---StrongAxe on 3/31/10


In October, 08, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino stated "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,"
---NurseRobert on 3/29/10

AGAIN SHE DOES NOT SAY HE WAS BORN THERE DOES SHE.

Even when specifically asked she declined to answer only saying his B.C. is lawful

Hawaii issues B.C. to foreigners. Like Obama
---John on 3/31/10


PT 1

Nurse as your anger rises.. ---Elder on 3/29/10

You couldn't be more wrong. The one showing anger is you. You don't agree with the President so you grasp at anything to make him look bad.

You stand at your pulpit railing against policies you don't agree, call him names and vilify him as everything that is wrong with this country. Tell us, who has the anger problem?

The vast majority of people in this country don't care about his BC. You, and others like you, use it as a smoke screen.

This county is not ruled by the majority, but those elected are to support ALL of the citizens. At least Obama stands up and supports his believe, regardless of how unpopular they are.



---NurseRobert on 3/31/10


Pt 2.

You blame the President because he stands up for his beliefs. You fail to accept the fact the law of the land allows for a woman's right to choose. You don't like it, go change the law. You accuse him of doing the exact same thing that other presidents, Republican and Democrat, have been doing.

As for Biden, what is said in the heat of political battle is moot. Clinton said the same thing. The fact is, Obama was able to take his detractors and make them into part of his administration, something they willingly did. Can you say the same thing about your candidate?

In the end, I don't give a ..... about his BC. While I don't support all of his ideas and beliefs, I do support what he is trying to do.
---NurseRobert on 3/31/10


Elder:

There is a big difference between supporting something, and supporting somebody's right to choose something.

I am vehemently opposed to Scientology, yet I support United State's freedom of religion that allows people to believe in what they want without government coercion - even in something as ridiculous as Scientology.

Voltaire once said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". The whole reason the US has freedom of speech and freedom of religion is NOT to support the right to hold popular and sensible beliefs (since nobody would object to them), but rather to protect the freedom to hold UNPOPULAR and INSENSIBLE beliefs.
---StrongAxe on 3/31/10




Strongax said, "Obama and most pro-choice people don't like it (abortion) either,..."
Humm, well they sure embrace and support it. Yea, vote for it and blame someone else. Obama had the choice to protect babies born in spite of botched abortion attempts and he said no. He made it illegal to give medical care to them. Now you come up with the idea that it is God's fault because He doesn't stop abortions. A real liberal mind is never able to come to God's Truth. You issue the lie that God is "Pro-choice." You must not know the same God of the Bible that I do. Are you Pro-choice?
I said there were 6 ways to get a Certificate of live birth from Hawaii and they are different from a certified BC.



---Elder on 3/31/10


Cluny:

Of course not. Yet one of God's greatest gifts to us is the the power to be free agents - that is, the right to make such choices instead of being treated like puppets on a string.

God did not HAVE to sacrifice his sun for our sins, because he could have stopped Adam from sinning in the first place (by denying him access to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the first place). Yet he did not do this. He obviously though that Adam's freedom to choose obedience or disobedience was worth all the horrible consequences that followed (which he must have known about in advance).
---StrongAxe on 3/30/10


\\With regards to sin, God is anti-sin but pro-choice.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/10\\

It does not follow from this, however, that all choices are equally morally good, or are free from eternal consequences, apart from God's mercy.
---Cluny on 3/30/10


Very thorough NurseRobert but you're wasting your time. Ideology and hate have no common ground in truth as your facts and research rise to the ether.

If our president is a Christian I am thanking God and praying that he is surrounded by wise men lifting up holy hands in supplication as commanded for our leaders.
If our president is not a Christian I am thanking God for his providence and sovereign will as we know God allowed both Saul and David. Every man and nation has its season.
Its very hard to be in obediance to God and pray for our leaders if we hate them.
Its safer to be in obediance. God bless.
---larry on 3/30/10


Elder:

Now you implicitly accuse reputable media of propaganda lies. Do you have evidence the (authenticated) Hawaiian birth certificate is a fraud? If not, again such accusations are slanderous. Also note I didn't accuse you of slander. I said "accusations without evidence are slander".

No, I don't agree with killing babies. Obama and most pro-choice people don't like it either, but they believe it's up to the mother herself to make that choice. You may think this harsh, but think about how God deals with us. He has the power to stop us from sinning, murdering people, etc. Yet he doesn't do it. He tells us not to sin - then leaves it up to US to do it or not. With regards to sin, God is anti-sin but pro-choice.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/10


StrongAxe, anytime someone has the power and position to stop an injustice, such as allowing a baby to die on a cold stainless steel medical table after surviving a botched abortion attempt, and does nothing he is just as responsible as slitting the throat of the victim. Obama voted to allow the babies to die.
You attack me but say nothing about this guys attitude towards the unborn.
Hitler didn't kill any Jews personally but his orders killed millions. Do you think people should not know this? Why hide Obama's agenda? Can you somehow begin to care for the unborn and take their side. The babies are fully developed when thrown
on the tables to die. How do you feel about that? PS. I dont have any web site that issues propaganda lies.
---Elder on 3/30/10


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Elder:

Do you have any evidence that Barack Obama has ever killed a child? If not, the phrase baby killing president is a vicious slander, not worthy of the lips of any Christian, especially ones who take seriously commandments such as Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

And with his birth certificate being on the web for everyone to view, I'm fairly sure many thousands have seen those web pages. Have thousands seen yours?
---StrongAxe on 3/29/10


djconklin, if you need to know, then you ask President Barack Obama of the U.S.A.
---Eloy on 3/30/10


Nurse as your anger rises so does your foolish statements. There are more people that have see my certified BC than have seen your dear Barrack Hussin Obama's. Even your statements change. First you stated a certificate of live birth was all that was needed and was shown. Your Hitler, Mao socialist agenda president still needs your protection. Even if the baby killing president had a correct BC he would still lack in ability to lead a free country. Again, as Biden said, "He is not fit to be president." Happy health care to you Pal.....
By the way I didn't run for president so the world seeing my BC is moot and more foolishness. (I'll send you a copy if the "Price is Right" with or without Bob Barker.)
---Elder on 3/29/10


"pastor jim", otherwise known as John.

In October, 08, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino stated "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,"

He is not asking to be president, he IS president. Every court case has been thrown out, every shred of evidence produced by conspiracy theorists (I'm not supposed to call you nuts anymore) has been proven to be fake.
---NurseRobert on 3/29/10


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I thought that lying was a necessary qualification to be in the Obama administration.
---jerry6593 on 3/29/10

what a typical right-wingnut response....
---NurseRobert on 3/29/10


John:

I don't see anyone hiding anything. The Obama camp has made photocopies of his Hawaiian birth certificate online.

Do a web search for obama certificate photocopy and you will find a photograph of it shown in the Los Angeles Times, and a few other sites some showing photos of it from multiple angles, etc.
---StrongAxe on 3/29/10


\\Larry: Mr. Obama has neither released the 23 box Birth Certificate, or the Hospital record. Applicable Bible verses please\\

What do Bible verses have to do with birth certificates or hospital records, which are never mentioned in the Bible to start with?
---Cluny on 3/28/10

Huh? You have me confused with someone else.

I long ago left John and Elder in laughter over the wacky conspiracy of a hospital, two newspapers, a governor and a white teenager who believed her son 48 years later would become president.
---larry on 3/29/10


>Since Obama's actual birthplace is in question,

See Wiki, under "Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories."
---djconklin on 3/29/10


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\\EXCUSE ME! but I am not running for President. I a not a public figure and HE is asking to be president.\\

In other words, John, you're not going to do what you demand another person do.

This is called "hypocrisy".
---Cluny on 3/29/10


Tell you what..YOU post YOUR BC for the world to see.
---NurseRobert on 3/28/10

EXCUSE ME! but I am not running for President. I a not a public figure and HE is asking to be president.

And as far as you contention..." The head of the health department has certified that she has seen his birth certificate. So, if your calling her a liar."

SHE IS NOT A LIAR. When ask specifically if he was born in Hawaii, she declined to comment. and said "All I can say is I have seen his Birth Certificate. Again we all know that any foreigner can have a Birth Certificate in Hawaii. The only state that allows foreigners to have Birth Certificates, mainly because it is 75% Japanese.

That's why he has one there.
---John on 3/28/10


Glenn- derivative claim to U.S. citizenship applies only to persons over 18 who are not already citizens. Obama could have been a citizen from childhood...it depends on the citizen parent's residency in the US.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


\\ Since Obama's actual birthplace is in question, then there is no reason under the sun that he can't obtain a certified copy of his original BIRTH CERTIFICATE and make it public and silence all doubters about his place of birth.\\

1, Obama's birthplace is not in question. It's been clearly determined to be Honolulu, HI.

2. He has made it public on line, but some people won't accept it.

3. I doubt that you are an American citizen. Are you willing to make your birth certificate public so all and sundry can find it?

Can I order a copy of it for myself from the state you claim is your birthplace?
---Cluny on 3/29/10


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Nursey: "So, if your calling her a liar, that [sic] your issue."

I thought that lying was a necessary qualification to be in the Obama administration.

But, you're right. Elder should be willing to publish his birth certificate when he runs for president.
---jerry6593 on 3/29/10


Strongaxe,
I think you missed my point. Since Obama's actual birthplace is in question, then there is no reason under the sun that he can't obtain a certified copy of his original BIRTH CERTIFICATE and make it public and silence all doubters about his place of birth. But as simple as the process is, he does not do it, which indicates he can't because one don't exist apparently, because he was not born here apparently, because the process is SO very simple to obtain one and make it public, then WHY doesn't he do it? Also the govenor of Hawaii stated that the birth records of Obama would be sealed. If there was nothing to hide, then nothing needs to be sealed. Think about it, it isn't rocket science.

John
---John on 3/28/10


A simple way to shut up everyone is to release the original birth certificate. Why would someone not do that unless there was something to hide?
---Elder on 3/28/10

Tell you what..YOU post YOUR BC for the world to see. The head of the health department has certified that she has seen his birth certificate. So, if your calling her a liar, that your issue.
---NurseRobert on 3/28/10


There is no need to do anything when a person is born to military parents in another country where they are serving. They are citizens. This is McCains status. But the smoke and mirror blowers would not have you know this.
Again a person does not have to be born in Hawaii to get a "Certificate of live birth." There are 6 different kinds issued. The COB in not the same as a Birth Certificate. In Hawaii this live birth certificate can be issued so a child may attend school. While a teen Obama was a citizen of Indonesia.
A simple way to shut up everyone is to release the original birth certificate. Why would someone not do that unless there was something to hide?
---Elder on 3/28/10


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John:

There is no constitutional requirement for any candidate to provide a birth certificate to prove he is eligible for office. The consitution only requires that a person BE eligible for office, not that he PROVE it. (If there is any dispute, as with any other dispute, that is a matter for the courts to adjudicate, in case of a lawsuit).

Similarly, citizens are also allowed to move freely about the country, but (unlike citizens of most other countries), American citizens are not required to carry around papers proving that they have this right. The only time you might be required to provide such documentation is if you are taken to court.

If you are unsatisfied with Obama's birth credentials, feel free to sue him.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/10


\\Larry: Mr. Obama has neither released the 23 box Birth Certificate, or the Hospital record. Applicable Bible verses please\\

What do Bible verses have to do with birth certificates or hospital records, which are never mentioned in the Bible to start with?
---Cluny on 3/28/10


I grew up as a child without a birth certificate. All my siblings had one, but my folks had either lost mine or never received one. I stareted first grade without one. The teacher and principal knew the family and let me start school w/o it. My folks did not even put forth the effort to send to my birth state and obtain one for me. But later when I was getting close to the age to drive and get my learners permit prior to my 15th birthday, I, myself, wrote to my birth state along with the money required and got a certified photostatic copy of my ORIGINAL birth certificate. If a 14 year old BOY can do it, then WHY can't an adult in their mid 40's that is running for the highest office in the land do the same ? TY, John
---John on 3/28/10


Glenn:

No action by congress or judiciary can alter the constitution - ONLY a constitutional amendment (or constitutional convention, which the USA has never had). Several years ago, I heard about a movement to get Arnold Schwarzenegger into the White House - requiring a constitutional amendment to remove the "natural born citizen" clause. No senate resolution can alter this. All such a resolution can do is to say "We accept that he ALREADY IS a natural born citizen". That resolution was non-binding anyway.

In a similar way, the state of Hawaii has no power to "make" Obama a natural citizen. All they can do is "recognize" their already-existing records as genuine.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/10


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Strongaxe: The Senate passed a resolution granting Mr. McCain 'natural born' status, but resolutions are not law.
Donna66, Cluny: please look up the term derivative claim to U.S. citizenship.
Larry: Mr. Obama has neither released the 23 box Birth Certificate, or the Hospital record. Applicable Bible verses please!
NurseRobert: Most likely, the native / natural controversy was resolved with the passages of the 14th amendment and the Indian Citizenship Act 1924. However, the 3rd U.S. Congress former act repealed..., Shanks v. Dupont (1830), Minor v. Happersett (1874), Perkins v. Elg's (1939).
---Glenn on 3/28/10


Glenn:

You said: StrongAxe: I know someone who was born in a U.S. military hospital in England to American parents and thereby became a naturalized citizen.

If this were true, it would have disqualified John McCain from being president, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/10


Glenn -- Someone born of American parents in a military hospital, NO MATTER WHERE, is a "natural born citizen". He NEVER becomes a "naturalized" American.
---Donna66 on 3/27/10


Glenn, Obama's mother was in Hawaii at his birth and his father at Harvard before returning to Africa. Hawaii had become a state a year earlier and as far as I know Massachusetts was one of the 13 original colonies.

McCain was born abroad not Obama.

Dude, you're out in left field.

Come back home, pray for President Obama and every other leader down to the head usher at your own church...."as commanded".

A life of prayer removes such time wasting forays as the inane question posted.
---larry on 3/27/10


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United Sardis of America, Revelations 3:1-5.
The documents submitted by Mr. Obama do not prove his eligibility to serve as President. Evil men turn republics into dictatorships, but good men do good governance. I do not believe that the Lord is cursing the U.S., but He will allow it to fall if we so chose. Dark is not the new light, all opinions are not equal, feelings don't count, and Judges 17:6 is not a blessing. Please read Genesis 6:5, 11, Hosea 7:16, Matthew 24:37-38, Luke 17:26-27. Exodus 22:28, Acts 23:4-5, but 23:3.
---Glenn on 3/27/10


Glenn, where are you getting this?? "He Shall" was used over 200 years ago because women were not considered people. Times have changed, as has our concept of women and equality.

And just WHOSE opinion says that "a person born in the U.S., but not of two U.S. citizens is a native born, not a natural born citizen"? Yours? Please quote your source.
---NurseRobert on 3/27/10


Glenn--

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President, neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Nothing emotional or faddish here.

When the constitution uses the word HE in connection with senators, rtepresentatives of any other office, the meaning is he/she
(for all-male or mixed-gender group)
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


Glenn--

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President, neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

When the constitution uses the word HE it is understood to mean he/she.

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA if the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required (5 yrs)
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


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\\StrongAxe: I know someone who was born in a U.S. military hospital in England to American parents and thereby became a naturalized citizen\\

Actually, that person was NATURAL BORN citizen, as as the parents were American citizens.

One is NATURALIZED by being an alien (that is, citizen of another country), coming into the USA legally, and then following the legal procedures for naturlaization.

Please get your terminology straight, Gary. It'll be much easier to talk to you.
---Cluny on 3/26/10


Donna66: "He shall" was used by the framers of the Constitution as a pronoun meaning a man, especially as they could have used the word person(s) or President as elsewhere. The 14th and 19th amendments don't cover Presidential qualifications, and U.S. code is subject to the Constitution, not visa versa. There is an opinion that a person born in the U.S., but not of two U.S. citizens is a native born, not a natural born citizen. Reason mustn't submit to emotion. Neither the Constitution, nor the Bible, is a living document in that it can be amended by the newest fad, or cultural sentiment. There is a saying, The principal reason for the Bible is not to have you interpret it, but for it to interpret you.
---Glenn on 3/26/10


Glenn:

Yes, we must confront unlawful behavior. The Constitution provides the guidelines that describe what kinds of behaviors are lawful, and the mechanisms that laws can be made that describe other behaviors that are lawful. It also provides mechanisms by which disputes over laws can be resolved (i.e. by the courts). This dispute has been addressed to the courts, and in every case, the courts have upheld the legitimacy of this presidency.

How can you demand the Constitutional rules about the Presidency be upheld, if you can't agree with the Constitutional rules about the Judiciary?
---StrongAxe on 3/26/10


Glenn -- A "natural born citizen" includes anyone born abroad who has ONE parent who is a US citizen that has resided in the US for 5 years.

The US constitution phrases the requirements for the president in gender neutral language. No reason a woman cannot be vice-president or president.
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


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StrongAxe: I know someone who was born in a U.S. military hospital in England to American parents and thereby became a naturalized citizen. If Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain were born elsewhere, and since Mrs. Palin is not a male, only Mr. Biden is eligible to be President (though impeachable). We are called to live in peace if possible, and to respect authority, but that means we must confront unlawful behavior. And in most countries we have liberty to disobey man rather than God, 1Peter 2:13-14, but Acts 4:19, 5:29, 42. Note: Martin Luther's treatise on the two kingdoms would be helpful to many of the 'bloggers' here.
---Glenn on 3/26/10


His personal business is not our concern. Only his public business to the USA is,when concerning us. Idle hands get people into trouble because they're too focued on others & less focused on ourselves. it is better to be busy bodies in Gods kingdom then worry about political matter which doesn't belong on any chrisitan board.
---candice on 3/26/10


\\A bill does not become law if it is not presented to a (lawful) President.
---Glenn on 3/25/10\\

Wrong.

A bill becomes a law automatically if the President does not sign it into law within 10 days of its being presented to him for signature by Congress.

If Congress recesses during this ten days, only then does the so-called "pocket veto" take effect.

Congress can also pass a law over the President's veto by 2/3 vote of both houses. It need not be represented to the President in this case.

Obama is the lawful president. Deal with it.
---Cluny on 3/26/10


""natural born citizen includes

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.

If this iis the case (and it appears to be) it doesn't matter where Obama was born.
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


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John:

"Natural born citizen" refers to someone who receives citizenship at birth (either by virtue of being born in the United States, or being born abroad to American parents, or being born in a territory that later becomes part of the United States) - as opposed to "Naturalized citizen", which refers to someone who receives his citizenship later in life (and is inelegible to be President).
---StrongAxe on 3/26/10


"Natural" born means to be born in the United States. An alien who becomes a citizen is "naturalized". Such a man would have all the rights of a "natural" citizen except for the right to be President. There is an exception that allowed the eligibility of the first few Presidents as they were (a) ..."Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"... Many illegal aliens eventually became naturalized citizens under the "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986". A bill does not become law if it is not presented to a (lawful) President.
---Glenn on 3/25/10


\\You need to be a "NATURAL BORN" citizen to be president. That is the Constitution.

That is the what we are discussing
---John on 3/25/10\\

That's not what you have said twice, John, and saying something twice does not make you a "we."

You have instead claimed, with no evidence, that Obama is a Muslim who is illegally in the USA.
---Cluny on 3/25/10


KarenD-- I bet a lot of people did not know. I didn't! More info.

The president must be a "natural born American". Title 8 of the U.S. Code defines "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the U.S, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States,if both parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.
(there more, but I don't have room)
---Donna66 on 3/25/10


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This is the way it works in the USA. If a child is born of American mother even if it is in a foreign country, that child is still a US citizen and can hold dual citizenship depending on the laws of the country of birth. So, this argument is silly even if Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.
---KarenD on 3/25/10

Karen you need to study. That is NOT what we are arguing about.

You need to be a "NATURAL BORN" citizen to be president. That is the Constitution.

That is the what we are discussing
---John on 3/25/10


Micheal e -- I'm sure there is plenty in the book of Romans to keep you going for a year or more. Sometimes people get tired of one book for that long. But knowing your class, I guess you know how to pace it.
---Donna66 on 3/25/10


This is the way it works in the USA. If a child is born of American mother even if it is in a foreign country, that child is still a US citizen and can hold dual citizenship depending on the laws of the country of birth. So, this argument is silly even if Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.
---KarenD on 3/25/10


1. Could Obama's Kenyan grandmother claim to be present at his birth if she never visited Hawaii?
2. One certificate recognizes Obama as a Hawaiian citizen (he was born to an American, living in Hawaii), but it is not the actual birth certificate issued by a hospital. The suspect "hospital" certificate of live birth was not issued on "hospital" document stationery used at that time in Hawaii, so appears to be a forgery.
3. Nancy Pelosi approved of the Hawaiian citizen certificate (not the birth certificate) before she ever saw it. She signed the DNC paperwork for Obama to be placed on the polls nationally, before she actually saw the evidence of his citizenship. Hiding the matter only makes the suspicion worse.
---Elaine on 3/25/10


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John:

Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate (which does say he was BORN in Honolulu) can be seen on the web, an has been attested by witnesses to be a genuine document.

Search for obama birth certificate honolulu and look at the first site that comes up.

Or course, some people's minds are so made up, they refuse to accept the facts. There were such stubborn people in Jesus's day too:
Luke 16:31
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
---StrongAxe on 3/25/10


>So Obama has so far spent 4 1/2 Million to keep his BC sealed from the American public.

Where's the proof?
---djconklin on 3/24/10


On the other hand, Hawaii has repeatedly declared his Hawaiian certificate genuine. While they DO register births from other places, such certificates would not list Honolulu as his birthplace.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/10

What you neglect to mention here is....

She never would say after repeated direct questioning. That Obama was BORN in Hawaii. "All I tell you is his Birth Certificate is in order."

All foreigners in Hawaii can have a "Birth Certificate in order"!

Again she REFUSED to say he was BORN there.

WHY WOULD SHE REFUSED TO SAY THAT, WHEN ASKED DIRECTLY IF HE WAS BORN THERE? HMMMM???
---John on 3/24/10


\\Because Obama was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia. A moslem here in the USA Illegally.\\

Please give evidence:

1. That Obama is a Moslem.

2. That he is in the USA illegally.

Merely repeating these statements over and over is NOT evidence.
---Cluny on 3/24/10


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Thank you NurseRobert for the advisory on the one who wants to tear down and not edify. His heart is filled with hate and rage. Pray that he will tire of the accuser molesting him and restore the joy of his salvation.

Friendly Blogger, its not two hospitals but two newspapers that faked the birth announcement by a teenage white female nearly 50 years go in a conspiracy to have her son one day, first thought to be white, set up to be president some time later.

Lesson learned. Don't trust any pregnant teenagers, particularly Brunettes.
---larry on 3/24/10


John:

The alleged Kenyan birth certificate has been shown to be an obvious forgery. For example, it is dated 17 February 1964, and lists "Republic of Kenya", an entity that did not exist until December of that year (before that, it was a British colony) - that's as legitimate as a coin dated 5 BC. It lists Obama's birth in Mombasa, Kenya, in August 1961. But Mombasa wasn't even part of Kenya until 1963. The certificate is actually a forgery based on an Australian one. Snopes has more details on this.

On the other hand, Hawaii has repeatedly declared his Hawaiian certificate genuine. While they DO register births from other places, such certificates would not list Honolulu as his birthplace.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/10


After the one that Rohm Emanuel had posted was analyzed and found to be faked.

It was real obvious it was fake from the beginning Since the Politically Correct Liberals used the term "African American" on the document instead of Negro. LOL!

But everyone wanted the C.O.L.B(Certificate of Live Birth) that shows all the details (Hospital Doctors etc). So they made one and OOOps! That Hospital said he wasnt born there. So they made another one to cover the other hospital. There were only two hospitals then. Thus 2 C.O.L.B.s

YET IN KENYA WE SEE HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Where there is smoke, there is fire!!!

But the smoke will soon clear and the Usurper and his comrades will be exposed!
---John on 3/24/10


But he does have a Hawaiian Birth Certificate, as a matter of fact he has two of them and they are both from different hospitals.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/23/10

Hogwash... show us the money... where is your proof?
---NurseRobert on 3/24/10


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If you don't, you are guilty of slander.
---Cluny on 3/23/10

Pastor Jim, hiding under the new name "John" has been spouting this same line for a long time. He hopes if he says it enough someone might believe him..
---NurseRobert on 3/23/10


Sad question being asked so many times. You can ask it all you want, but some paranoid people will never believe the truth anyway. You could show them a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii and they would still think it was a fake. Sad state of affairs in this country with so many paranoid people.
---KarenD on 3/24/10


I don't know the authenticity of the Birth certificates from Kenya and I have see the photo copies on the Internet.

But he does have a Hawaiian Birth Certificate, as a matter of fact he has two of them and they are both from different hospitals.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/23/10


\\Because Obama was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia. A moslem here in the USA Illegally\\

John, aside from the fact that there is no evidence that Obama is a mahometan and much evidence that he is not, do you have any evidence that he is in the USA illegally?

If you don't, you are guilty of slander.
---Cluny on 3/23/10


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Because Obama was born in Kenya and is a citizen of Indonesia. A moslem here in the USA Illegally.

The Birth Certificarte that was on the web had be proven to be faked. BUT!!! Even it if were real it does not show what hospital, who the doctor was etc.

That is only available on the C.O.L.B. (as all parents know) there are two documents. So Obama has so far spent 4 1/2 Million to keep his BC sealed from the American public.

Hawaii allows for foreign born to have a Birth Certificate. The only state that does. Mainly because it's 75% Japanese.
---John on 3/23/10


The governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, did not seal Obama's birth certificate. It is private under regulations, meaning that Hawaii cannot give it out except to a specific list of people and organizations.

It can, and has, given a copy to Obama, and he has posted it.

Therefore everyone can see a copy of the posted birth certificate, via the excellent copies of it that are on FactCheck and Politifact.

Also, Hawaii does not allow a birth certificate--long-form or short-form--to be issued that says on it "born in Hawaii" unless there is proof that the child was born in Hawaii.

Finally, the two top officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii have confirmed the facts on Obama's published birth certificate.
---Robert on 3/23/10


The record of same and the announcement of his birth in local Honolulu papers can be found on line.

BTW--do you want YOUR birth certificate available to all and sundry. Or do you think that nobody will steal your identity?
---Cluny on 3/23/10


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