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Israel Building In East Jerusalem

"Israel approves new building in east Jerusalem"
It now appears that the Israeli Prime Minister is openly defying the United States. This is a calculated timely decision made at the highest levels of the Israeli government. Is this good?

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The passage from Jeremiah 31 is good - but that only says that God has not cut off Judah - not that they are still his ONLY chosen people. Isaiah 51: That Israel are still God's people, true
---peter3594 on 4/23/10

There are two parties in Jer 31:31. Also in Heb 8:8.
One party is the divorced Nth house of Israel. You'll notice it says...."and" Judah. Research the two sticks, the ten virgins,servants etc.
---Trav on 4/24/10


Trav: thanks for that.... somehow, though (probably my error, please correct me) there is something in me that feels that Israel now is not in the same as it was before Jesus.
---peter3594 on 4/23/10

Chew on this passage for a while...
1Ki 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,
---aka_joseph on 4/24/10


Trav: thanks for that.... somehow, though (probably my error, please correct me) there is something in me that feels that Israel now is not in the same as it was before Jesus.

The passage from Jeremiah 31 is good - but that only says that God has not cut off Judah - not that they are still his ONLY chosen people. Isaiah 51: That Israel are still God's people, true

The one that I don't fully agree with [on your interpretation] is Luke 22: Yes, it talks about buying a sword, true. But are we (or Israel in these latter days) supposed to use the sword to invade, or only to defend?

If Israel is invaded, yes, it has the right to defend, as it has done. But should it also invade? Unsure
---peter3594 on 4/23/10


Trav, I do not mean that Israel has been rejected by God - ...I just mean, do the orders to the Israelites to conquer and destroy still apply now, or must they share their chosen nature?
---peter on 4/19/10

The same covenants....the ones of blessing and cursing still apply....unless the foundations of the earth are measured or the "kosmos" heavens above are.
Isaiah 51:16
Jeremiah 31:37
Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
Conquer/destroy?
Luke 22:36
..., But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
---Trav on 4/20/10


Trav, it was I who said that about having my doubts. I do not mean that Israel has been rejected by God - it is clear it has not been

I just mean, do the orders to the Israelites to conquer and destroy still apply now, or must they share their chosen nature?

You can say, of course, that both the Jews and the Church are God's chosen, and I would agree - it's just not something I find that easy to remember
---peter on 4/19/10




I have my personal suspicions, as they are no longer the chosen of God - the Church is, now// ---Rod4Him on 4/18/10

Rod, if considered that all the other nations that composed Israel, pre and post divorce are found to be the Lost Sheep, of the House of Israel. Matt 15:24/Heb 8:8(Judah wasn't lost in Christ's time. Then it can be seen that Judah is who is partially in this country. The Israel of Scripture was never just Judah.
Lost Sheep Israel are the churches, and the nations blessings fulfilled in scripture, scattered across the world.
Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
---Trav on 4/19/10


Peter, thanks for your comments. Your statement, //I have my personal suspicions, as they are no longer the chosen of God - the Church is, now//

That is the perspective that I am coming from. I see the situation in Israel as a secular-civil matter, not a Biblical issue. I could be wrong, consequently, I keep an open mind to what is going on there. In the mean time, I know Jesus died for all people, Jews-gentiles and all people of all nations. I don't think God has favorites among unbelievers. Only about .5% of Israelee Jews are Christian, and they were probably "born Christian."
---Rod4Him on 4/18/10


I don't believe modern Israelis take God's OT command to kill all the Philistines as applicable today.
Religious Jews may stand on their most ancient claim to the land, but many Jews are Jews by hertiage alone, not by religion. Their claim to the land more likely stems from the fact that after being scattered and persecuted everywhere
(esp after the horrors of the Holocaust),
Israel officially became a nation in 1948.
---Donna66 on 4/18/10


Rod4Him, I think that if the Israelis were to live in the west bank as citizens (of the west bank) with the palestinians, there would be little problem - but they live as citizend of Israel, and so are disliked.

My question is different: in the OT, the Israelites were told to destroy the Philistines, and Saul was removed as king for not kiling all. But that was on specific orders directly from God. Does modern Israel have the same orders to destroy? I have my personal suspicions, as they are no longer the chosen of God - the Church is, now
---peter3594 on 4/18/10


From a Palestinian point of view, what's wrong with Jewish settlements in the West Bank?

Arabs live in Israel and are citizens. Why can't Jews live in the West Bank and become West Bank citizens?

Israel sometimes appears, and maybe they are, racist, but how about the Arabs treatment of Jews?
---Rod4Him on 4/16/10




But how do you know what other people believe? Has 'god' given you special powers?
---atheist on 3/31/10

Google it. Islamic Messiah. See for yourself.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's opinions are well known by people watching Iran, such as Israel. People in the USA and the West who do not watch Iran think he is a harmless leader.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/31/10


Mark,

I know you know what you 'opinion' is...

But how do you know what other people believe? Has 'god' given you special powers?
---atheist on 3/31/10


Atheist:

My opinion is that Iran will strike at Israel when it has acquired and built a functional nuclear weapon.

Their president believes striking at Israel and creating chaos in the world will usher in their Islamic Messiah, the Mahdi. The president also believes that Allah has chosen him for the job.

Better get prayed up. The world is going to erupt.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/31/10


MarkE, deciding who is native and who isn't native in the land of Israel is not as simple as you propose - Rod4Him.

Point taken Rod.

Palestinians do have physical heritage with Abraham and the Jew, what they are without (Ishmael) is the promise.


This will not be resolved before the second coming. The U.S. can only tinker around the edges in temporary peace arrangements as this part of the world will become very violent as the end nears.
And as our country becomes more secular there will be little incentive to stand by Israel for any biblical promise.
Thank God Israel doesn't need us. God plus one is a majority and the Jew will return at the end as promised.
---larry on 3/30/10


Mark,
"that is destined to strike first".

Where did you get that?
---atheist on 3/30/10


Only Israel could exist as such a stunning dichotomy.
---larry on 3/27/10

Here is another head scratcher,Larry. The nation can exist for two years militarily....on munitions and resources they have stockpiled from U.$.
Given billion$ every year. Because some perceive they are Judah-ites. They can't prove and we would never a$k em too. They could not exi$t without the U.$. Are they 1/12th of Israel Judahites they claim to be? We "perceive" they are. If they are Esau's boys...what are we defending? The people GOD said he hated. Even if they aren't, they are professed Anti-Christ 2000 years. Hmmm.
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, ..
---Trav on 3/30/10


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However, I support Israel polically. I believe in supporting our allied friends.
---Rod4Him on 3/30/10

How you support them politically? By telling them they should split up their land and give it to a people that support terrorists bent on annhiliation of the Jewish State? Or by telling them that they CANNOT build on the Temple Mount within their own capital city? Or by telling them they cannot defend themselves against an Iranian regime that is destined to strike first?

I believe now is the time to stand with Israel. The time is short and I don't bellieve we will be given another chance.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/30/10


Trav,

Still crazy aren't you?
---atheist on 3/30/10

Ha. Even crazy, can figure your best closet game. Can't use scripture, logic doesn't work.....so you couldn't think of anything else to retort? Now Goliath made a statement that lasted several thousand years. Live up to decendants of these GODless bad boys. Live up to your title...if your gonna stomp about.

43And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that thou comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods.

And sealed his fate fo-eva. What a man.
---Trav on 3/30/10


MarkE, the more I think about it the more my statement was correct.

"It's not that simple to ship people out of who have lived there for centuries."

Do you suggest that that is a simple solution? which would probably start a world war.
---Rod4Him on 3/30/10


Trav,

Still crazy aren't you?
---atheist on 3/30/10


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MarkE. "Rule of Law" That will probably never be settled because of whose law do we go by? The land given to Israel in 1948 has been exceeded by Israel in 1967. So, which law, when?

However, I think the bottom line issue among Christians is what people believe is mandated by God in the OT Bible.

Some believe God is giving the land back to a nation that still rejects Him, which would be in violation of what God said would happen to Israel if they rejected Him.

Then there are others who believe that believers in Christ are a new creation in Christ and are also the fulfilled "seeds" of Abraham. I fall into the latter.

However, I support Israel polically. I believe in supporting our allied friends.
---Rod4Him on 3/30/10


When the time is right God will move the Palestinians very quickly.
God moved Israel out of Egypt pretty quick.
---michael_e on 3/30/10


It's not that simple to ship people out of who have lived there for centuries.
---Rod4Him on 3/30/10

What? The USA did it, without much objection from any other nations. We should not do and say different things.

Are you ssying that the rule of law means nothing there?

Google the Israeli Nationality law, passed in 1952. It defines citizens by either blood (return), birth, residence, or naturalization.

Each applicant for naturalization says "I declare that I will be a loyal national of the State of Israel."

Too bad they don't make the citizens by way of residence (Palestinians) give the same declaration.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/30/10


The Bible gives the boundaries of the land given to Abraham by God. This same land defines the boundaries of Israel. Any rejection of these boundaries by any means will be dealt with harshly by God. I think of England and ( THE WHITE PAPER). England might well be a great power today if she had kept her word to the Jewish people.
---mima on 3/30/10


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MarkE, deciding who is native and who isn't native in the land of Israel is not as simple as you propose.

Jordan was not a country until the same time as Israel was made a country again. The Ottoman Empire ruled the whole area for over 600 years. Many Arabs moved to Palestine from the time of the Umayyads, over 1,500 years ago. So, many of the Arabs in Palestine were there before Jordan was a country.

I have mentioned before that there were 500,000 Arabs in Palestine in the early 1800's whereas there were only 25,000 Jews there at that time.

It's not that simple to ship people out of who have lived there for centuries.
---Rod4Him on 3/30/10


It could be called, "Let the children run and play with sharp objects" approach to foreign policy.
---atheist on 3/28/10

I would call this the "Monroe Doctrine" for Israel.

Israel should say to all countries especially USA and countries from oustide the Middle East, that they will settle their own internal affairs and any interference will be viewed as a threat to the security of their country.

We did and said as much.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/30/10


Rod4Him, Nana:

I see this discussion in the same light as discussions of "illegal aliens" within the USA. These "Palestinians" are not native to Israel. They are Jordanian by birth and by nationality and by heritage.

It is the sovereign right of a nation to determine its own policy with respect to its own people unless human rights and God's laws are broken.

If Israel wanted to declare that anyone who supported Hamas or PLA to be a traitor, who is to argue with them? the USA? the world?

I say, I hope they make all supporters of Hamas and the PLA traitors of Israel, that they convict and sentence them to exile from Israel.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/30/10


Jerry,

Now you are confusing me with you...
---atheist on 3/30/10


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Eventually we must say enough is enough, and realize we cannot fight and kill for peace, and have any success whatsoever. >---atheist on 3/27/10

Yeah right. Go preach to the aggressors. You're a slick 1. It's notable how much peace you establish here.
Christians call it, "Defense". And because of our GOD we have defended well. But, it was written we would. We always will win, with the "only" GOD. GODless is losses. So whats the surprise.
Not every Atheistic people/race/relgion hold your Christian peace Ideals. You are a very unusual Atheist. Hmmm. Me thinks you are "Closet" believer too. All it takes is fear....you got closets of it.

---Trav on 3/30/10


Athiest, it is inherited from the time each one is born. And even when a murderer kills he knows it is wrong to kill, yet he still does it. ....
---MarkV. on 3/28/10

All?? N some doctines and denoms. GOD/Christ never posted the above in scripture. But, denoms do not necessarily read or follow them anyway. Below is written and witnessed if one is a reader or observer of news taking place in History or presently.
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
Not everyone has these written in their hearts and minds....but some who do are a light to others...
---Trav on 3/30/10


'atheist': I've figured you out! You DO believe in a god - IT'S YOU! You're a legend in your own mind.
---jerry6593 on 3/30/10


Donna,

There is a difference between chosing or wanting to believe something, and simply not believing something.
---atheist on 3/29/10


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catherine, since you addressed me, help me out here, you lost me. I don't see how your comments are consistent with this tread. I don't see MarkV in this thread, and if you mistook MarkV for MarkE, I don't see the continuity of thought.

Are you saying you agree with MarkE that Arabs should be rounded up and sent to Jordan and lock their boarders? meaning, that you are not called to sweetness?

BTW, Biblically Israel should include Jordan.
---Rod4Him on 3/29/10


You'll believe anything along [sic] as it's what you want to believe.

Isn't this true of anybody? Atheist WANTS to believe there is no God...so he will entertain no ideas to the contrary.
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


This here is for Rod4Him>>>>Some of us are not called to speak sweetness, to a lost and dieing world. We are all gifted according to our callings in this life. I absolutely agree with MarkV. And I am indeed a nice person, just not christeny. For example: Well, Jesus loves everybody. Father forgive these people, and so on and so forth....Hallelujah.
---catherine on 3/29/10


Jerry,

Obviously you are little slow on the uptake...

That was my point, there is no point arguing with your self-defined genius.
---atheist on 3/29/10


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Yes, it is good. I only hope that this Prime Minister of Israel will stand firm. I have not in the past been too educated on Israel, but this may change, some. I like this Prime Minister. My compassion rosed the otherday, when he was over here speaking.Ahhh. I love You Jesus.
---catherine on 3/29/10


'atheist': "You'll believe anything along [sic] as it's what you want to believe. Otherwise it is obviously false."

Boy, it's hard to argue with pure genius like that!
---jerry6593 on 3/29/10


As much as I respect MarkE in many beliefs and comments, I have to deplore this comment of his,

// I for one hope they finally get smart, round up all the Palestians, send them to Jordan where they come from, lock down their own borders, and tell the rest of the world to get over it. MarkE.//

Maybe I misunderstood the point, but that sounds horribly racist. Did I misunderstand? Should we make Jordan a consentration camp? Maybe we might as well make gas chambers? I thought Christ died for everyone.

Sorry for the harshness MarkE. I try to find areas of agreement, but this statement seemed over the top.
---Rod4Him on 3/28/10


Donna,

I am not a pacifist, but I do know what time it is, and we haven't got much left to figure out how not to destroy each other and ourselves....
---atheist on 3/28/10


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Atheist -- I see you are a pacifist. That's your objection to Israel. BTW what enemies did we make because of WWII?
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


"I for one hope they finally get smart, round up all the Palestians, send them to Jordan where they come from, lock down their own borders, and tell the rest of the world to get over it."
---Mark_Eaton on 3/27/10

That is exactly what Martin Luther hoped it was done with the Jews of his day.

Leslie,
Jesus came with a gift, first of for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but of course you know he spoke to them in parables. Why was that? Why many are called and few are received?
---Nana on 3/28/10


Jerry,

You'll believe anything along as it's what you want to believe. Otherwise it is obviously false.
---atheist on 3/27/10


Trav, People are people.

Why do you need to weird out on the bible to determine with race or tribe is blessed or not blessed by 'god'? Does it really matter who's uncle someone was seven generations back. Why do you hold on to this creepy racism.
---atheist on 3/28/10


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Mark Eaton: "Please stop making decisions for another country. We have no right to make decisions for them."

Now that would really be a big change in US foreign policy. Would you apply that to Cuba, Russia, South Korea, Mainland China, and Taiwan?

It could be called, "Let the children run and play with sharp objects" approach to foreign policy.

We let the world know we weren't playing and could retreat to our own borders and just build lots and lots of hospital ships (for humanitarian aid for all), until of course the nuclear fallout reached us.
---atheist on 3/28/10


Trav, you've really done your homework.

In one instance its a shame when Israel is condemned for building in Israel. It sounds absurd.
I think the United States has to condemn the building in peace talks because the Palestinians, who will hate and fight Israel anyway, won't even agree to come to the table if the settlements continue.

Israel may very well have the right to do something that is not in its own best interest. Only Israel could exist as such a stunning dichotomy.
---larry on 3/27/10


If you do NOT bless Israel or the Jews, you are AGAINST God, and in DISOBEDIENCE to God according to the Bible.
---Leslie on 3/27/10


If only the Obama regime would accord the same courtesy to Israel's PM as it did to the Saudi prince, we might believe Obama wasn't an antisemitic Muslim.
---jerry6593 on 3/27/10


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Donna,

It not a matter of turning our back on anyone. It's knowing what time it is.

The world is more populated, interdependent, reliant on, and increasing threatened by technology for peace and war.

Eventually we must say enough is enough, and realize we cannot fight and kill for peace, and have any success whatsoever. Killing makes enemies. And making better weapons results only with our 'enemies' having those better weapons with us with even 'better' weapons'. The cycle is stupid, hasn't and won't work. Give up, and make peace not war. Or is that too unchristian a thought?
---atheist on 3/27/10


Please. It's time for peace.
---atheist on 3/26/10

The only peace that can be achieved in this area is the complete annhiliation of the Jewish race.

This is the belief of the nations surrounding Israel.

If these were your neighbors, would you make peace with them?

Certainly not, and neither should Israel.

Please stop making decisions for another country. We have no right to make decisions for them. I for one hope they finally get smart, round up all the Palestians, send them to Jordan where they come from, lock down their own borders, and tell the rest of the world to get over it.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/27/10


Atheist -- So after being an ally of Israel for 60 years, we decide that things are getting "too" hot, so we're through with them.. we withdraw our support! With allies like that.. they need no enemies.

The UK and Israel are have always been our strongest and and most reliable allies.
Is this how we reward them?

What Israels position is in God's plan, is beside the point. They are a tiny democracy, the only one in the Middle east,surrounded by enemies determined, not to compromise, but to wipe them off the map. The 6 day war showed they are far from weak. But Their enemies are the same as ours, we share intelligence..it's foolish to turn our back on them!
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


I agree with atheist on his take.
---Nana on 3/27/10


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Donna,

It's time Isreal figures out how to provide for its own defense, and if that means compromising in order to get along with it neighbors and others who live in the area, then so be it.

It is not the US's responsibility to forever support Isreal in any matter for any reason. This blood feud has gone on for long enough and it's unconscionable that the US continue to support one side over the other no matter what.

Or do you need a war first so Jesus can return according to your interpretation of phophesy?

Please. It's time for peace.
---atheist on 3/26/10


Atheist --No, I do not agree. Israel is an ally..not a state We give aid and support to allies. We govern states.
We have no business dictating to Israel where they can build within their own country. They are a sovereign country as is the United States. We have insulted them, not they us.
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


The Jews are spiritually children of Hagar.

The Christian Palestinians, who have been there from the times of the Apostles, have more right to the land than do the Zionist Ashenazi colonizers.
---Cluny on 3/25/10

Well you'll have to explain the Hagar comment. If Judeans can be Hagars kids...something is conflicting. Now if some of the Arabic lines are posing as Judeans...perhaps...but, why would they do that? Where is it found in scripture?
There are marks that some of them are of Esau,which makes some sense in shaking off the Yoke of Jacob. This can be noted by the statements of Christ and the imposters themselves. Many are so indoctrinated/denom'd today, they don't realize that Esau had/has a play in the game.
---Trav on 3/26/10


Donna,

Right. Isreal is not the 51st state. So we should stop sending funds to it and providing for its defense as though it is.

Agree?
---atheist on 3/26/10


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The Prime Minister openly defying the United States. Is this good?

I don't know if it is "good", but I certainly think it's justified.

"Israeli construction policy in Jerusalem has remained the same for 42 years and isn't changing," a written statement from Netanyahu's spokesman said.

Biden goes to THEIR country, and when when the prime minister announces a new building project in Jerusalem, BIDEN is offended?!
Then our Secretary of State gives his (Biden's) offense legitimacy!

Does they think Israel is the 51st state?
What arrogance!
Whether or not Israel is special to
to God, is beside the point.
It was a demeaning way to treat an ally of 60 years!
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


Cluny is right. The bottom-line issue is "who are the descendents of Abraham today?" Who are the ones blessed through Abraham's seed, today?"

I tend to point out the inconsistencies of the teaching that Israel is presently the "chosen people" of God, and the teaching that Israel is in the land today as a direct fulfillment of Scripture.

According to Scripture, Israel would still be cursed, according to God, because they are not obeying or following Him today.

However, all mankind, not following/believing Christ, is under judgment, and God is no respecter of persons.
---Rod4Him on 3/26/10


Reading through the replies you find who supports the Jewish nation of Israel. Most pseudo-Christians expose what they believe by their treatment of Israel.
---mima on 3/26/10


Don't forget that Arabs are also descendents of Abraham. So, if people say that the blessing God gave Abraham is for Israel, it is also for the Arabs---Rod4Him on 3/25/10

Different blessings. Arabs are through Ishmael.

Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Isa 51:1 Hear me...you that seek after righteousness, you that seed the LORD....
Isaiah 51:2
Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Heb 8:8-10.
---Trav on 3/26/10


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Leslie, your post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning is fallacious. Previous events are seldom the causes of subsequent events.
---ger.toshav on 3/25/10


\\Cluny and others - Blessing the Jews and Israel get blessings, and cursing the Jews and Israel get curses is NOT a misquote. \\

And you misquote the scripture again. God said to Abraham, "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you."--not Jews.

But the issue hinges on just WHO are the true children of Abraham.

The NT itself answers that question--and it does not come from mere physical descent from him. Read Galatians 4. The Jews are spiritually children of Hagar.

The Christian Palestinians, who have been there from the times of the Apostles, have more right to the land than do the Zionist Ashenazi colonizers.
---Cluny on 3/25/10


Don't forget that the Arabs are also the descendents of Abraham. So, if people say that the blessing God gave Abraham is for Israel, it is also for the Arabs.

Deut. 28:15-68 talks about what will happen to Israel if they forsake God. They did and they still do forsake God.

God Himself said that Israel would be cursed if they did not obey and follow God's commands.

Don't misunderstand me, politically I support Israel with emphathy for the Arabs in the land.
---Rod4Him on 3/25/10


Cluny and others - Blessing the Jews and Israel get blessings, and cursing the Jews and Israel get curses is NOT a misquote. Yes God was speaking to Abraham, but He was also speaking to Abraham's decendants (Israel & the Jews). The TRUTH is if you curse Israel and the Jews (whether individually or as a nation) God WILL bring judgement on you (individually and as a nation) - you are also going AGAINST God in disobedience when you curse the Jews and Israel. Within 24 hours of Bush and Rice asking the Jews to give up land to Palistinians the following happened: 9/11, gas prices up, housing market down, hurricans Ike and Katrina, & stock market/finances crashing.
---Leslie on 3/25/10


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Yes, as long as people are not unfairly and maliciously expelled, Numbers 33:52-56. "Asymmetrically" recognizing only valid pre 1948 Jewish titles is not fair. Yet the Muslims reject paying anything to the Jews dispossed in the Middle East and Africa. Personally, I'm getting tired of the Muslim belief(s) that any land captured or owned by any Muslims at any time is forever Muslim. Or that a Muslim's claim always trumps a contradicting claim by a non-Muslim.
p.s. If Mr. Irving Moskowitz wants to build apartments on any land he may own, that would be a zoning issue only.
2p.s. Sometimes U.S. hypocrisy almost rises to the level of most other countries!
---Glenn on 3/25/10


Jews received the barren area surrounding Jerusalem after WWII by international decree, that the Jewish people might not continue in exile among enemies. The country of Jordan(UK) was given to non-Jewish "refugees" in Israel, that they also might have their own land. Despite the offer, some remained in Israel, and the Israelis lived side-by-side with them without problem until the introduction of Arafat.By Arafat's influence, non-Jews were pumped up into jealousy and hatred, history re-written to support Arafat's claims.

"Palestinians" have already claimed the West bank, and now deny Israel's building on their own territory in the East? I stand with Israel.
---Elaine on 3/25/10


Being "Israel" doesn't give the Israelis carte blanche to do whatever they want to with regard to the non-Jews who live in the land. God never thought so. That's why they were exiled twice.
---ger.toshav on 3/25/10


\\The Bible says that those that curse Israel and the Jews will be cursed, and those that bless Israel and the Jews will be blessed.\\

That actually is a misquote.
---Cluny on 3/24/10


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Bibi is right about one thing. "Jeruselem is not a settlement, it's our capital!"

In terms of history of the city and the temple he is dead on.
His intransigence won't help negotiations with the Palestinians (Ishmael) but historically its hard to argue with his point.

What would we do if the Brits had forced us to move our capital to Washington D.C. because they once occupied Philadelphia?
---larry on 3/24/10


So some of you are saying, I take it, that US foreign policy should be determined based on whose side you think "GOD" is on?
---atheist on 3/24/10


The Bible says that those that curse Israel and the Jews will be cursed, and those that bless Israel and the Jews will be blessed. The Prime Minister is NOT defying America (the land belongs to the Jews - given to them by God), America is defying (cursing) Israel. Which means this is a VERY BAD thing in God's eyes. If America keeps it up, God will bring judgement on America for this.
---Leslie on 3/24/10


Interesting perspective, I thought the US was the one openly defying Israel's continued plan to build in East Jerusalem.
---Rod4Him on 3/24/10


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Israel has the "right" to build on it's own territory. GOD's gave Israel the land from "the River of Egypt to the Euphrates River".

Whatever the United States says matters only to the extent to which it supports GOD and His nation: Israel.

The same holds true for other nations. Those that support Israel will be "blessed". Those that oppose Israel will be "cursed".

Most people know that the United States is interested in the Middle East's oil.

I think that the "building more houses" issue is a "test" for the United States. Will it choose to "support" or "oppose" Israel?




---Sag on 3/24/10


Think on this,the United States would not comply to another Nation telling them how to run their Country or what they can do in that Country. That says to me,although they give a lot of aid to Israel,the United States has no real right to dictate what Israel does in its Country. A large part of that area over there belonged to Israel and it was taken in conquest,isn't it only natural they have a feeling of ownership over it now. To a people whose guide is the Bible and have been told by God how he will restore their lost land to them,that is their guide and their Law. I don't condone what they do but I can understand it.
---Darlene_1 on 3/24/10


And just who does the president think he is, that others should be held subject to his commands? The Israelies have every right to settle THEIR land, which was given to them by God. No one has the right to interfere and tell Israel that they have to give up territory captured after an unprovoked attack on them if they defeat the enemy. Have any of you ever heard of this being done by any other conquering nation?
---tommy3007 on 3/24/10


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