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Did Jesus Drink Alcoholic Wine

Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine?

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Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established--Moses
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.--Jesus
2Cor 13:1 This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.--Paul
The witnesses: Glenn, StrongAxe, Mich3754, Ed
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Pro 19:20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.
---MIchael on 4/5/10


2/2
However, a Christian may not break fellowship with his brother over the issue: "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." This allows the one to drink, or not, Romans 14:1-12, Galatians 2:11-14, 4:9-10, Ephesians 4:1-3, Colossians 2:16-23. Wine was considered to be a blessing to the Hebrews, was used in religious ceremonies, and only drunkenness was prohibited. Even though some Hebrew and Greek words may mean juice or wine, its context tells you as to which applies. For example, in Deuteronomy 33:28, Proverbs 3:10, H8492 tirosh could only mean wine, or expressed juice soon to be used to make wine.
---Glenn on 4/5/10


francis:

1: Pasteurization is only 2 centuries old. Perhaps you missed the 2000 years ago part.
2: Even lemonade ferments at room temperature.
3: Drinking wine fresh may work for a few days, but not the months from harvest until Passover in spring.
4: See 1-2 above.
5: Honey also ferments. All it does is make it sweeter, so the sour taste is less noticeable.
6: Small amounts of salt will have little effect. Large amounts make it undrinkable.
7: Without refrigeration or plane travel, how was someone 2000 years ago supposed to get snow in summer in a tropical climate?
---StrongAxe on 4/5/10


1/2
Jesus made wine, John 2:3-11, "and his disciples believed on him." A wedding was a religious ceremony, and so wine was used. Not to drink it at a wedding (or a Seder, etc.) would have been an insult to the marriage. In the New Testament, except when it's used allegorically in Revelations, G3631 oinos means fermented wine. Also, to say that it wasn't alcohol because you are offended, does not change it to trux - grape juice. In John 2:10, G3184 methuo - drunk means to be mildly intoxicated as there are many verses that prohibit drunkenness. Although Romans 14:1-15:7 and 1Corinthians 8:3-13 predominately concerns meat sacrificed to Idols, and religious customs, we are to consider our weaker brother. However, Romans 14:1.
---Glenn on 4/5/10


francis

But the best way as the bible indicated was drink it new/ fresh

Why would you put it in Jars then. for in 2 to 3 weeks you have wine!!

.

Luke 5:37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins, or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined.

Job 32:19 Indeed my belly is like wine that has no vent,
It is ready to burst like new wineskins. ( fermenting grapes make gas)

Luke 5:39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new, for he says, The old is better.

Look like old wine for me.

Peace
---Ed on 4/5/10




Francis,

Honey back then had bacteria in it too.
Hence- MEAD- honey based beer.

Pasteurization wasn't available 2000 years ago.
And the "new wine " spoken of in the Bible was alcoholic because God says if you put new wine into old wine skins, the old wine skins will burst from the fermentation of the new wine.
Where do you get the idea that lemon juice stops fermentation?
It prevents fruit from turning brown, not fermentation.
Salt?!
And where would the Jews have gotten snow?
Wow, sis you are really out there.
When Jesus says he made wine, it was real wine, NOT grape juice.
---miche3754 on 4/5/10


1. Pasteurization was NOT USED 2000 years ago, so quit saying it was.

3. The grape harvest was in August or so. Passover was in March-April. There's NO WAY it can be kept from fermenting under ancient conditions and technology.

7. Snow in summer? Yeah. Sure. And salt was expensive. It wouldn't have been used for such a frivolous and ineffective purpose.

The other methods you mentioned STILL will not stop fermentation. Repeating them over and over will not make them work.
---Cluny on 4/5/10


Pasteurization is a process which slows microbial growth in food. The process was named after its creator, French chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur. The first pasteurization test was completed by Louis Pasteur and Claude Bernard on April 20, 1864. The process was originally conceived as a way of preventing wine and beer from souring--Wikipedia
You know not whereof you type francis.
---MIchael on 4/5/10


francis:

Can you mention any way to make non-alcoholic wine - that were also available 2000 years ago? . ---StrongAxe on 4/5/10

1: you can make grape juice via
pasteurization
2: you can add lemon juice to it
3: Most popular: drink it fresh heavy
emphasis on new wine in the bible
4: Store it properly after pasteurization
or adding lemon juice
5: Adding the right honey to it
6: Small amounts of salt\
7: Least popular in summer: Use a mixture
of snow and salt as a refriderate it

But the best way as the bible indicated was drink it new/ fresh
---francis on 4/5/10


francis:

Can you mention any way to make non-alcoholic wine - that were also available 2000 years ago? As Cluny has pointed out, yeast is everywhere, and lives on grapes - so the moment you crush grapes, fermentation immediately sets in, and without refrigeration or pasteurization, cannot be stopped. If I leave a glass of soda out for 2 days, it already starts to taste sour from fermentation. I can't imagine people in a desert climate 2000 years ago not experiencing much worse.

Also, the very verse you mention (and others) speak of "bursting" with wine. Bursting can happen with the build up of pressure from carbon dioxide - from fermentation.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/10




Actually I speak against Gluttony also. As does my church.

The alcholic industry like the tobacco industry has a product that when used as directed leads to death and evil of millions of people.

The enemies of JESUS called Him a winebibber as an insult.The disparged him and put him down with this insult.

Why should we follow their example?
---Samuel on 4/5/10


Jesus drank wine, but Jesus did not driuk alcohol.
Wine doe snot have to contan alcohol to be wine.

Proverbs 3:10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

And there are many ways of making grape and palm juice ( strong drink) without alcohol.
---francis on 4/5/10


I haven't even read these blogs on this but just want to say that YES. Jesus was called a Glutton, Winebibber and friend of Sinners. Of course He drank fermanted wine. DUH!! He was also the only sinless MAN>
---jody on 4/5/10


\\Wine in biblical times was alcoholic, yes, but it didn't have the additives that are put into modern wine.\\

The only additives I know that are put in commercial American wines are sulfites.

Fortified wines, such as port and champagne, of course, are another matter. These usually contain brandy (itself a distilled wine) and sugar.

Alcoholism is NOT the same thing as simply being a drunk, but this is a subject for another thread.
---Cluny on 4/5/10


Wine in biblical times was alcoholic, yes, but it didn't have the additives that are put into modern wine. Although you could get drunk from it then, and even become an alcoholic, it was still better for you. However, the point is, use it in moderation. Don't use it to make yourself sick, or to "drown your sorrows". Never in any scripture did I see a verse where Jesus was drunk. That's the example God set before us, and that's the one I choose to follow.
---Anne on 4/4/10


Psalm 104:14,15

"He (God) makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate--bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread that sustains his heart."

Strange for God to make wine to gladden the heart of man, if it is evil don't you think?

Is it not that abuse of any good substance is evil? Many US Christians are stubbornly opposed to drinking any wine but have nothing to say against the endemic gluttony which surrounds them.

Further they have nothing to say about the massive consumption of legal mind altering drugs within the church. Strange don't you think?
---Warwick on 4/4/10


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Those watching Jesus called him a wine-bibber. Only the person who drinks wine would possibly be called a wine-bibber!!!
So the answer is yes, Jesus drank wine.
---mima on 4/4/10


kathr4453:

The Bible often tells about the dangers of wine and strong drink (because they can lead to drunkenness), not because they are necessarily evil in themselves. They do occasionally have positive uses. For example:

1 Timothy 5:23
"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
Proverbs 31:6
"Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts."

Just like the Israelites were constantly warned about marrying foreign women (because that could lead to idolatry), but it was not necessarily evil in itself (just look at the example of Ruth).
---StrongAxe on 4/4/10


Cluny is right and grapes even have there own yeast on them.
Grapes make wine even if you don't add anything to them. And there is no script that says you can't drink wine.
---Ed on 4/4/10


\\Cluny please show scripture where we are COMMANDED to drink wine?\\

"Use a little wine for thy stomach's sake.

||And it was kept in sealed jars or wine skins and in caves being kept cold to prevent fermentation.||

Aside from the fact that grape juice IMMEDIATELY starts fermentation, Jesus Himself mentioned that the fermentation process can burst wineskins--and presumably jars, which is why it is fermented in BARRELS.

**Wine then was not like today.**

Fermentation is a natural process and both then and now, fermentation stops at 11%--22 proof, because at that point the alcohol kills the yeast.

All you're doing is projecting an American evangelical prejudice onto the Bible.
---Cluny on 4/4/10


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Jesus himself says he drinks wine. lit.Gk: "For John the Baptist came neither eating leavened loaf nor drinking wine, and you all say, He has a devil: the Son of man is come eating and drinking, and you all say, Here a gluttonous man, and a wino, a friend of worldly ones and sinners! Yet are justified, by the wisdom from all the children of him." Luke 7:33-35.
---Eloy on 4/4/10


\\many many ways:
1: drink it fresh
2: Add lemon juice
3: pasturize it
4: add honey
---francis on 4/2/10\\

francis, if you read my original question all the way it specifically said WITHOUT PASTEURIZATION.

And if you drink it fresh, remember fermentation has already begun. Besides, if you drink it fresh, you're not keeping it, are you?

Furthermore, lemon juice and honey ferment, too. Ever hear of mead or lemon tea?

Try again.
---Cluny on 4/3/10


Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10

many many ways:
1: drink it fresh
2: Add lemon juice
3: pasturize it
4: add honey
---francis on 4/2/10

If you think the wine was unfermented you might as well also teach your children that babies come from the stork and cabbage patch!
---obewan on 4/2/10


Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10

many many ways:
1: drink it fresh
2: Add lemon juice
3: pasturize it
4: add honey
---francis on 4/2/10

If you think the wine was unfermented you might as well also teach your children that babies come from the stork and cabbage patch!
---obewan on 4/2/10


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Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10

many many ways:
1: drink it fresh
2: Add lemon juice
3: pasturize it
4: add honey
---francis on 4/2/10

If you think the wine was unfermented you might as well also teach your children that babies come from the stork and cabbage patch!
---obewan on 4/2/10


In fact, it commands it be drunk.


Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10

Cluny please show scripture where we are COMMANDED to drink wine?

And it was kept in sealed jars or wine skins and in caves being kept cold to prevent fermentation.

Wine then was not like today.

Grape juice left to itself will turn to vinegar. And the fermentation process today is a hands on process, to keep from becoming bitter.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/10


Fresh grapes, and juice are certainly a blessing. And some grapes were preserved in pitch, or dried and pressed into raisin cakes. But a considerable amount was turned into wine. Some juice was slow boiled to concentrate it, then placed into urns, and allowed to ferment. Some juice was placed into pots to make wine. At times, this alcoholic wine was boiled in order to prevent it from getting an off taste, or turning into vinegar. Old wine was new wine allowed to age on its lees for some time. Wine placed into wineskins, Matthew 9:17. Beer was the popular drink in Egypt and Babylon, and fermented wines were also made from dates, figs, and pomegranates. The poor sometimes drank a sour wine, or alcoholic vinegar mixed with water.
---Glenn on 4/2/10


In fact, it commands it be drunk.


Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10

Cluny please show scripture where we are COMMANDED to drink wine?

And it was kept in sealed jars or wine skins and in caves being kept cold to prevent fermentation.

Wine then was not like today.

Grape juice left to itself will turn to vinegar. And the fermentation process today is a hands on process, to keep from becoming bitter.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/10


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Fresh grapes, and juice are certainly a blessing. And some grapes were preserved in pitch, or dried and pressed into raisin cakes. But a considerable amount was turned into wine. Some juice was slow boiled to concentrate it, then placed into urns, and allowed to ferment. Some juice was placed into pots to make wine. At times, this alcoholic wine was boiled in order to prevent it from getting an off taste, or turning into vinegar. Old wine was new wine allowed to age on its lees for some time. Wine placed into wineskins, Matthew 9:17. Beer was the popular drink in Egypt and Babylon, and fermented wines were also made from dates, figs, and pomegranates. The poor sometimes drank a sour wine, or alcoholic vinegar mixed with water.
---Glenn on 4/2/10


Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10

many many ways:
1: drink it fresh
2: Add lemon juice
3: pasturize it
4: add honey
---francis on 4/2/10


\\Bible says do not drink it.\\

No, the Bible does NOT say not to drink it.

In fact, it commands it be drunk.

"Use a little wine for thy stomach's sake."

Remember, grapes were not always available 12 months a year as in the USA today.

Please tell us how grape juice was kept from fermenting in the first century with no refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives.
---Cluny on 4/2/10


Francis grapes are only harvested in any locality once per year. So what were they drinking for the rest of the year?

Can you supply a Scripture which says that by 'wine' Scripture means nonalcoholic grape juice? How do you get drunk on grape juice?

If you do not wish to drink wine then that's fine by me. I get to have your share.
---Warwick on 4/2/10


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You tell me check CONTEXT. I tell you check the bible.
Lord say:
Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Are you taking thought?

I can only guess you want to go before God and say, I didnt drink!
You remind me of Adam and Eve. They tried to cover their sins too.
I know youre trying not to sin. And may God bless you for that!
But, in this there is a greater sin. I also know you have no idea what Im talking about!
God Bless!
---TheSeg on 4/2/10


1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
1Co 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

---TheSeg on 3/31/1

Check the CONTEXT.
It was OK to eat the meat sold in the market, it was not a sin. But if your conscience bothered you do not eat it.
Do not make people violate their conscience.
Different with Alcohol
Bible says do not drink it.
Not a matter of conscience here.
---francis on 4/1/10


What I seem to see is, by me not doing a particular thing.
Does this mean I am not guilty of it?
Some say this means you can do anything. No!
I am saying you are guilty of it anyway!
Kind of reminds me of Matthew 23.
Why is that?

As for me, I dont care what you do. Not my job!
Because I know I am not to make any law!
I am guilty of it anyway!
Id be hanging myself!
But that me, right!
---TheSeg on 3/31/10


Seems to me that St. Paul has some strong words for those who wish to change the Gospel into a legalistic "touch not, taste not, handle not."

May I suggest this also includes, "drink not, smoke not, dance not"?
---Cluny on 3/31/10


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Cluny
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

francis
1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
1Co 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

Its ok, I understand, all in due time.
God love you!
---TheSeg on 3/31/10


Proverbs 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:

JESUS IS KING OF KINGS
Should he drink wine?

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.


Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Proverbs 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
---francis on 3/31/10


\\For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.\\

Keep in mind that the KJV translated the generic for "food" as meat--which is a Tudor English proper use (as in the expression "Grace before Meat"), but is confusing today.

Properly, the Greek word KREAS means "flesh meat" (like steaks or roasts). But that's not the Greek word used in 1 Timothy 4:3, which is BROMATO--meaning food in general.
---Cluny on 3/31/10


If you think he didnt drink wine. It must be because you yourself see something wrong with it. Like its a bad thing, evil or a sin? I dont know! But you have a problem with it. The bible clearly in some places says not to drink. But, in others it recommends it. So, you cant say its not in the bible, it is!

Now, would you say, Jesus Christ is God? Than!

For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Christ made wine!
---TheSeg on 3/31/10


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Please tell me. How did first century Jews keep grape juice from becoming wine without refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives? Cluny

By drinking it FRESH and not letting it sit around for days.

Nehemiah 10:39 For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring the offering of the corn, of the NEW WINE, and the oil, unto the chambers, where [are] the vessels of the sanctuary, and the priests that minister, and the porters, and the singers: and we will not forsake the house of our God.
---francis on 3/31/10


Please tell me. How did first century Jews keep grape juice from becoming wine without refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives? Cluny

Easy. First if the grapes are washed and no sugar added then they ferment so little that the result would be labeled as non alcholic. The wine today has added sugar and other ingrediants to boost the alcholic content.

Grape juice was also boiled which is a type of pasturization so they could pasturize the juice. Then if kept in cool jugs in the ground it would not ferment. Also it could be boiled down then have water added latter to remix as a drink.

Have you ever made wine? Have you ever read how wine is made?
---Samuel on 3/31/10


Jesus made wine, John 2:3-11. It:
Was a curse to not be able to drink it, Isaiah 1:22, 24:11, Micah 6:15.
Was used in offerings, Exodus 29:40, Numbers 15:4-10.
Had medicinal uses, 2Samuel 16:2, Proverbs 31:6, 1Timothy 5:23.
Made glad, Psalm 104:15, Ecclesiastes 10:19.
Was a blessing, Genesis 14:18, Proverbs 9:2, 5, Ecclesiastes 9:7, Isaiah 25:6, 55:1, Amos 9:14, Zechariah 10:7, Matthew 26:29, John 2:3-11, 1Corinthians 10:16.
Drunkenness forbidden: Esther 1:10-12, Proverbs 20:1, 23:29-35, 31:4-5, Isaiah 5:11, 28:7, Hosea 4:11, Joel 3:3, Amos 6:6, Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, Ephesians 5:18, 1Timothy 3:8, Titus 1:7.
Alcohol was forbidden Priests entering the tabernacle, Leviticus 10:9, and Nazarites, Numbers 6:3.
---Glenn on 3/30/10


\\The more you drink the more harmful it is.\\

The same thing can be said about all foods.

\\Tell me the word in greek for grape juice and the one in Hebrew for grape juice please.
\\

The purisitic Greek word is OINOS, the demotic Greek word is KRASI, both of which mean fermented wine.

When you crush grapes, you ALWAYS get wine, because fermentation starts immediately.

Please tell me. How did first century Jews keep grape juice from becoming wine without refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives?
---Cluny on 3/30/10


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Yes Cluny wine is harmful to the human body. The more you drink the more harmful it is. Alchol makes a person drunk by killing the brain cells in the frontal cortex of the brain. It damges the liver as it tries to metablize the alchol. Small quatities do little damage but large do large damage.

Grape juice is good for you. Tell me the word in greek for grape juice and the one in Hebrew for grape juice please.

Pro 20:1 Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

What caused this evernt? Num 26:61 And Nadab and Abihu died, when they offered strange fire before the LORD.
---Samuel on 3/30/10


With all the beverage choices today, people drink alcoholic beverages for the effect and not so much for the taste.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/30/10


In case anybody wonders, I very seldom drink wine or alcoholic beverages, not because they are evil in themselves (they are not) but because they clash with medicines I take.
---Cluny on 3/30/10


In some cultures, even today, everyone drinks wine, esp. with meals. Jesus was born into such a culture.
If He did not go along with this, He wouldn't have turned water into wine for the wedding guests. (No, he didn't turn it into grape juice, or the party goers, expecting wine, wouldn't have declared it "better" than the wine they were served in the beginning.)

He never considered Himself above associating with "winebibbers" either.
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


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\\But is it the will of GOD that people put harmful substance into their body?\\

Are you saying that "wine that maketh glad the heart of man" (and we know proper use of wine is beneficial to heart health) is harmful per se?
---Cluny on 3/29/10


Samuel 3/29, I am going to improve your entry somewhat. Firstly, change substance to thoughts and body to mind(s). Secondly, change alc(o)hol to religion. Finally, in the second paragraph, change Alc(o)hol to Seventh Day Adventism.
George, ..."any man that called themself a child of God and is known to drink alcoholic" ..."their witness is worth nothing". Using a reductio ad absurdum argument: The witness of most of the Biblical writers, the Prophets (excepting John the Baptist), the Apostles, and the Church fathers (including Luther) are worth "nothing"... In 1Timothy 5:23, Paul would not have told Timothy to "use a little wine" if either of them were categorically opposed to doing so.
---Glenn on 3/29/10


Some of you confuse drinking alcohol with getting drunk. There are many who drink in moderation for health reasons.

My dad was a good example. I never knew my dad to get drunk, but rather he drank one small glass of wine before dinner as recommended by his medical doctor. My brother does the same.

Over drinking is sin as it over eating.

God would not have said what he did in Deuteronomy 14:26 if it was a sin.

Like our government, some denominations think they know what's best for you and try to take your freedom of choice away. Yet they teach you take God's tithe to the church, which is in direct violation of God's command. Now THAT is a SIN.
---Gary on 3/29/10


Yes.
Proverbs 23:20 Be not among winebibbers, among riotous eaters of flesh:
Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking, and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
They accused Him of abusing food and wine, because he was partaking and among those that did abuse.
---MIchael on 3/29/10


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God sent Christ to be the savior of the world. The example to all men. We can argue back and forth about whether or not he drank and to be honest Jesus was accused of being a wine-bibber. But just like today any man that called themself a child of God and is known to drink alcoholic drinks their witness is worth nothing, but Jesus testomonies have survived from generation to generation. So ask yourself that question can a man who is blameless actually die on the cross and take on the sins of the world and free us from the guilt of sin. Jesus did and he died sinless.
---George on 3/29/10


GOD permits us to drink and get drink. GOD allows people to sin. But is it the will of GOD that people put harmful substance into their body? Is it the will of GOD that by our actions we may lead others astray into behaviour that can be addicting and dangerous to others around us? Is it the will of GOD that we support an industry whose product leads to the death of thousands and the enslavement millions who need alchol.

Alchol leads to bad thinking and bad actions. Why would a person who tries to uplift mankind into the image of GOD support that which makes us worse then beasts?
---Samuel on 3/29/10


proverb:23 verses 29-35. you drink do it in moderation.
---kris on 3/29/10


Consider this:

Deuteronomy 14:22-27 is the Second Tithe, or the yearly Festival or Feast.

Verse 26: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for STRONG DRINK... (NIV says fermented drink)

In other words, the Children of Israel were TOLD BY GOD they could drink wine or strong drink at the yearly feast.

Drinking fermented drink IS BIBLICAL.
---Gary on 3/29/10


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Is the real question you are asking is, "Am I doing something wrong by drinking alcoholic wine?"

That answer is in your own heart.
---Deb on 3/29/10


Let's say it did have alcohol, what would be the problem. One thing is for certain, Jesus was not drunk and acting a fool. That is what counts. Why not ask, Does God Permit us to drink alcoholic beverages?
---felissa on 3/28/10


I want someone to explain why this question is important.

What is being accomplished by asking this question over and over?

Is the real question underneath "did Jesus sin by drinking alcoholic wine"?

No.

2 Cor 5:21 "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him".

Nether did Jesus lust after women. Or covet another persons posessions. Or love something more than God. Or break the Sabbath.

The list of sins goes on and on. Drinking alcoholic wine is not a sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/27/10


Oh, yes, this topic comes up periodically.
There is lots of "sound and fury" but nothing is settled. Nobody changes their strongly held beliefs.
---Donna66 on 3/26/10


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Yes, but life is too short for cheap wine.
---Glenn on 3/27/10


Samuel it is very sad that your father died because of abuse of alcohol.

But consider cars. They kill millions of people world-wide. Are cars inheritantly 'evil' or is it that people abuse them by driving carelessly?

What about food? We must have it, but excess consumption of food, (leading to obesity)and unhealthy food kills millions each year. Is food evil or is it the abuse of it which is the problem?

We Christians are called to live moderate lives, not to be involved in excess of any kind. But we are not called to abstain from driving, alcohol, or food. However I would fully understand if you never drank. Most likely the best course for you.

God bless!
---Warwick on 3/27/10


Ger.toshav: Yes, but some people didn't like the answer, and are hoping that the Lord will change His mind.
---Glenn on 3/27/10


Didn't you all hash this out a few weeks ago? Seems like you're beating a dead horse...
---ger.toshav on 3/26/10


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Yes!

Wild yeasts live on the outside of the grape. When you crush the grape, the yeast begins eating the sugar in the juice, causing fermentation. It is a totally natural process that can only be stopped by pasteurization. As Louis Pasteur wasn't born until 1822, the pasteurization process was unknown. As others have mentioned, when grape juice ferments it becomes either wine or vinegar.
---FatherBrendan on 3/26/10


Matt 13:33 Jesus, did not seem to regard yeast (leaven) as bad, since He likened the Kingdom of Heaven to it.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/26/10


\\ Fermentaion is used as a symbol of sin in the passover service.\\

Then why is fermented wine drunk during it?

\\ Boiled grape juice acutally ferments less since you kill the bacteria that cause fermentation.\\

The fermentation is caused by YEAST, not by bacteria.

It is bacteria that changes the wine into vinegar.
---Cluny on 3/26/10


Oh? Are we discussing this again for a change?

The grape harvest was (and still is) between August and September.

The Passover was (and still is) between March and April.

Without refrigeration and pasteurization and preservatives, the must will do one of two things.

1. Become wine.
2. Become vinegar.

One thing it will never do is be grape juice, because fermentation starts immediately.
---Cluny on 3/26/10


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First I am prejudiced about Alcholic drinks. I watched them kill my father and watched alcholic drinks lead to the death of people I cared about. To me Alchol is evil and detrimental to society.

JESUS being good would not indulge in an evil drink that destroys people's lives.

My Dad used to make wine. If you go to wine sites you well see about how to make wine. They all say naturally occuring wine is very weak in alchol and turns to vinegar very quickly. Naturaly fementation destroys the taste and drink. Fermentaion is used as a symbol of sin in the passover service. Boiled grape juice acutally ferments less since you kill the bacteria that cause fermentation.
---Samuel on 3/26/10


NO JESUS NEVER DRANK ALCOHOL

The word wine in the Bible sometimes refers to the newor fresh juice of the grape, other times it is used to describe the aged or fermented product containing the drug alcohol. The translators never used the term grape juice. In the Hebrew text, the writers use different words to distinguish between the two. The word tyrsh is used for new unfermented wine, and yayin is generally used for fermented wine, but there were some exceptions (Isaiah 16:10). However, in the New Testament, only one Greek word is used to describe both fermented and fresh grape juice: oinis . But this shouldnt be a problem. By simply understanding the context of the word in a passage, the appropriate meaning will usually surface.
---FRANCIS on 3/26/10


No indication that Jesus actualy drank any wine at the wedding feast.

Proverbs 31:4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
---francis on 3/26/10


Yes Christ drank alcoholic wine, so did every one else in Palestine, potable ware supplies were not trustworthy for human consumption.

The wine that Christ made from water for the wedding feast was excellent wine, one of the comments was must people put out the good wine first and the inferior wine later but this wine is excellent.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/26/10


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"Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine?" Yes.
"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you [Pharisees and lawyers] say, 'He has a demon.'
The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a 'winebibber' (a wino), a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Luk 7:33,34 NKJV

In the days of no refrigeration grape juice would have began the fermentation process almost immediately.
"The common Hebrew word for wine is _yayin_, from a root meaning "to boil up," "to be in a ferment." Easton's Bible Dictionary
---joseph on 3/26/10


Yes, just as it is proven in his first miracle at the wedding feast.
---Eloy on 3/26/10


YES !

He was accused by His enemies of being a wine-bibber. This shows that He did drink wine ... the accusation being that He did it to excess.

Fermentation is a natural God-given process which starts even as the grapes are on the vine, so wine is naturally occurring.

While we now have modern ways (refrigeration or chemicals) of keeping fruit juices from going bad, then the only way to keep it was to allow it to ferment.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/26/10


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