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Steveng //People with mental illness dream while awake. That region of the brain simply malfunctions.
---obewan on 4/5/10

I agree with the statement above. There was a mental rash of this during the last election, berryhusseinieobamantes are still in dream/hypnotized state of: La,la,snore,snore,we love him even more. Killthebabies,upholdthepervies hecando nowrong.
---Trav on 4/9/10

If you ever met a real mental patient you would not insult REAL mental illness as you do.

There is a clear obvious difference between politial leanings and REAL insanity.
---obewan on 4/9/10


Steveng //People with mental illness dream while awake. That region of the brain simply malfunctions.
---obewan on 4/5/10

I agree with the statement above. There was a mental rash of this during the last election, berryhusseinieobamantes are still in dream/hypnotized state of: La,la,snore,snore,we love him even more. Killthebabies,upholdthepervies hecando nowrong.
---Trav on 4/9/10


Nana: "Make up your mind, first demon posession, now chemical imbalances. How about showing all of us some of that power at your command by laying off these blogs and communicate with us henceforth by that such power. How about you pray healing for obewan's sister? "

It was just a rhetorical reply.
---Steveng on 4/7/10


"Do you not believe that the power of God can repair chemical imbalances?"
Steveng
Make up your mind, first demon posession, now chemical imbalances. How about showing all of us some of that power at your command by laying off these blogs and communicate with us henceforth by that such power. How about you pray healing for obewan's sister?
---Nana on 4/6/10


steveng -- the power of God can repair chemical imbalances. That's true. But it's no less HIS power when the imbalance is corrected with medication.
He is the source of all knowledge. The medication is made with ingredients made available by HIM.
---Donna66 on 4/6/10




obewan: "The chemical imbalance is quite obvious since it is well controlled with medication."

Do you not believe that the power of God can repair chemical imbalances? If not, then you don't believe any of the miracles Jesus performed, water turning into wine, the blind to see, a decayed body coming back to life, and the hundreds of miracles in the old testament.

You only believe God exists, but definately deny his power.
---Steveng on 4/6/10


better than the 1600s when they thought that epilepsy, bi-polar, schizophrenia was demon possesssion!"

They were and still are. :(
---Steveng

I can't believe in modern times there are still people spreading such misinformation.

My own sister has suffered from schizophrenia for over 45 years. She has lived as a ward of the state and is completely disabled. She is a Christian. The chemical imbalance is quite obvious since it is well controlled with medication.

Have you ever had a dream? People with mental illness dream while awake. That region of the brain simply malfunctions. Gee, if we had more people like you we might go back to the Salem witch trials and burn innocent women at the stake!
---obewan on 4/5/10


1st_cliff: "...but sooo much better than the 1600s when they thought that epilepsy, bi-polar, schizophrenia was demon possesssion!"

They were and still are. :(
---Steveng on 4/5/10


michael e, No I actually read it in the NIV!
foot notes-(that's why they're there)
The 70s may be worse ,in some ways, than the 40s and 50s (the 50s were the best times of my life) but sooo much better than the 1600s when they thought that epilepsy, bi-polar, schizophrenia was demon possesssion!
The 2nd century mss.(mostly fragments) are all in the possession of museums!
Michael, I never tell anyone "what" to believe, just point out the "facts" I've never said I doubt the Genesis acct. Just fundamentalist's interpretation!
---1st_cliff on 4/5/10


---1st_cliff on 4/4/10
Michael e, No one told me, I read it!
So what your saying is you read mans writing,on the internet no doubt.
You probably wouldn't have any problem producing an original 2nd century mss, right?
70s spiritual knowledge was worse than 40s and 50s
We would probably be better off plowing with oxen.
---michael_e on 4/4/10




As you say cliff, it is still written by man.
do you honestly believe something written by man over 1700 years ago?.. how about 5000 years ago? I'm glad we have someone like you that can tell us what to believe and what not to believe. Too bad you don't believe the Genesis account since it was written closer to the event than anything people write today. You seem to be talking in circles, but that is ok. If you can catch your tale(yes t-a-l-e), go right ahead.
---MIchael on 4/4/10


Michael e, No one told me, I read it!
!970s knowledge vs 1611...
This is the 21st century ..you're over 300 years behind the time!
The earliest manuscripts known in 1611 were 14th century , we now have 2nd century mss. The closer you get to the "event" the more accurate!
Are you still plowing with oxen, or a John Deere?
---1st_cliff on 4/4/10


Michael
Cliff did.
---Lawrence on 4/4/10


---1st_cliff on 4/3/10 Lawrence, The NIV , a more recent and accurate version than the KJV clarifies this "error!" just so the context wouldn't get "twisted"!

Who told you the KJV 1 Tim 3:16 was an error The Holy Spirit or man?

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory
---michael_e on 4/4/10


Lawrence

The word manifest is translated from the Greek word phaneros , to render apparent (literally or figuratively)

John 1:18 NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, HE HAS DECLARED HIM

John 5:30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHO SENT ME.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.

#1
Peace unto you.
---Ed on 4/3/10


cont. #2

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? No one is GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS, GOD. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

Remember Yeshua was from heaven, Genesis 14:18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine, he was the priest of God Most High.

By walking in GOD'S ways and Always doing his Will, Jesus manifested GOD in the Flesh, but Figuratively.

Peace unto you.
---Ed on 4/3/10


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Lawrence, The NIV , a more recent and accurate version than the KJV clarifies this "error!" just so the context wouldn't get "twisted"!
---1st_cliff on 4/3/10


---1st_cliff on 4/1/10 Lawrense, 1Tim.3.16. does not say "God was manifest in the flesh"
Don't twist scripture to fit your belief!
KJV
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory
---michael_e on 4/2/10


Humm, twist scripture? Not me.
But that's what the apostate churches have been doing since the rcc the first trin - relig - org church from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 came to be about 300 yr's aft The Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 to the Jewish people First. Yes Jesus Christ Is The Almighty God - Father. Jesus told Phillip when you seen me you have seen the Father. God was manifest in the flesh, & His name Is Jesus Christ.
Cliff you can deny, refuse, reject, refute etc all you want, that's your choice.
---Lawrence on 4/2/10


Lawrense, 1Tim.3.16. does not say "God was manifest in the flesh"
Jesus was manifest in the flesh. The reference "Godliness" actually means "piety"
This verse is part of a song!
Don't twist scripture to fit your belief!
---1st_cliff on 4/1/10


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Sorry Cliff.
1st.Tim. 3 v 16. God was manifested in the flesh, Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ Is His name.
There's No other name given whereby we must be saved.
---Lawrence on 4/1/10


Lawrence, Ex.6.3. says God's name is YHVH not Jesus!
God "begot" a Son...how did Jesus "beget" Himself??
Jesus said "not my will but Your will" Who's "will" did Jesus follow?
"I could have asked My Father and He would send me 10 legions of Angels" Jesus said.

What ,He's "almighty" and couldn't perform this Himself??
You're wrong Lawrence! God and his Son are 2 different entities, not the same person!
---1st_cliff on 4/1/10


I need rewrite.
It's a mystery about Jesus & The Father, only to those have not been enlightened.
I'm a father to my 2 daughters, a son to my parents & a member to c-net & what is my name?,
Lawrence N. There's not 2 others that's with me, just me, I'm performing 3 aspects, Not persons.
The Father - The Son & The Holy-Ghost & what Is His name?, Jesus Christ. There's Not 2 others that's with God, just Him. God Is performing 3 aspects also, Not 3 persons.
---Lawrence on 4/1/10


No mystery between Jesus & the Father. Jesus told Phillip when you have see me you have seen the Father.
It's a mystery to those that have been enlightened.
I have been enlightened. Colo.2 v 9, 1st.Tim. 3 v 16. Only 1 God The heavenly Father & Jesus Christ Is His name.
---Lawrence on 4/1/10


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lawrence -- I didn't expect to change your mind...just to give you something to think about. The scriptures I gave you also came from the Word of God, the Bible.
---Donna66 on 3/31/10


Donna
Sorry but I have heard on tv-radio Man-made trin-ministers say, God the father, God the son & God the Holy spirit. I thank God there is No such, even 3 distinct persons.
You people of the trin-Man-mades read your book - books, the words of gods or persons.
Again this word is in scripture, bastard, do you know who the Father is ?

I'm gong to read my Bible The Word Of God.
1 God - Lord - Father & His name Is Jesus Christ. Only 1 !
---Lawrence on 3/31/10


Did Jesus use his ventriloquistic voice when he was baptised?

Did Jesus pray to himself while in the wilderness?

Can Jesus be on earth and in heaven at the same time? Matthew 10:32-33

While Jesus performed all those miracles, who did he pray to to make them happen? Who did these miracles glorify?

What salutation did Jesus use in his prayer sample?

Who did Jesus tell us to worship and glorify? Did Jesus honor himself?

Did Jesus raise himself from the dead?

Would Jesus be a liar if the Father and the Son knew of the date of the end?

What is this mystery between Jesus and the Father?
---Steveng on 3/31/10


Lawrence--

When Jesus prays to the Father, he uses the words "Thine" and Mine". This doesn't at all sound like someone talking to an entity inside himself.

If Jesus' will and the Father's will were identical, then why did Jesus express the desire to escape the cup but resign Himself not to His own will, but the will of the Father?
Two wills existing together usually indicates Two persons.

No there are not three Gods, but ONE as the Hebrews believed. This One God consists of three personalities..God, the Father, God, the Son, God the Holy Spirit. They exist concurrently.
---Donna66 on 3/31/10


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Donna.
All power in heaven,earth is His. God Is immanent,He does it All by Himself,because God Is immanent. Do the angels in heaven play music,do they play a musical tune like musical chairs for musical thrones? The Father person the Son person & the Holy spirit person walk around the throne,when the music stops,1 will get to sit in the throne & rule for the day? NO. God He alone does it All by Himself, because He Is God. The Father the Son the Holy Ghost,God performs All 3 aspects,NOT 3 persons. The Bible talks about the judgment seat of God. If there were 3 persons,then there would be judgment seats. Only 1 God & Jesus Christ Is His name. The Jewish people didn't devide God into 3,unlearned gentile trin-people did.
---Lawrence on 3/31/10


Modalism. In the which the devil along with the rcc even nero with the great crusades killed off some of the orthodox modalism - oneness First Church saints that was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20, until God put His hand down & stopped the devil from doing more.
The oneness still lives on today thank God.

The devil being the anti-christ coming from the rcc the first trin-church(Rev.17 v's 4-6) will stick up his ugly head to do some more destruction, & His people Will be destroyed by God in that great battle where the peoples blood will be up to the horses bridle that The Lord will be riding on.
---Lawrence on 3/31/10


Steveng--
The scripture you cite don't say intellectual discussions can't be interesting.

This is what Paul did.
Act 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

There must have been something that people found interesting or they wouldn't have showed up in the market every day to have a discussion with him.
---Donna66 on 3/30/10


ger.toshav: "StevenG, in support of Donna66, I ask, where in the Bible does it say that intellectual discussions CANNOT be interesting. Read Acts 17:19-34."

How about being in support of scripture?
---Steveng on 3/30/10


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Lawrence -- Thanks for answering my question. Your doctrine, as I learned it,
confuses me.

Was Jesus praying to Himself?

You see, if you insist that God is ONE person only, this is impossible. If one is praying to another, there must be two of them and they must BOTH exist at the same time.

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Again, how can the Father glorify Jesus if they are not separate persons? How could Jesus have glory WITH the Father before the world was, if they never existed together?
---Donna66 on 3/30/10


Ed -- We are to love one another as Yeshua loved us. That would mean what it means. I would think that makes it clear, not to do anything spiteful unto our Brothers.

I agree entirely! But we don't always DO this, do we? (OK maybe YOU do) How can anyone repent of sin if they don't recognize its existence? I was just pointing out a sin of demeaning (not loving) each other that's often seen on these blogs.

What did I say that would lay a "snare" for anybody?
---Donna66 on 3/30/10


\\I'm not confused, Jesus is the Almighty God. \\

Then why do you constantly repeat the Roman heresy of Sabellian modalism?
---Cluny on 3/30/10


---kathr4453 on 3/30/10 Jesus is not a tradition or philosophy, not even a way of Life, but He is our life..quite different. The BODY should all be speaking the same thing because it's CHRIST IN YOU who is the HEAD and all thing flow down from the HEAD!!!

Amen and Amen
---michael_e on 3/30/10


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Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am well pleased.
Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
---MIchael on 3/30/10


Cluny, others.
I'm not confused, Jesus is the Almighty God.
Aft Jesus ascended in to heaven then later His Church was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20.
About 300 yr's later the spiritual adultery churches started, rcc the first trin-church.
The Jewish people called God Jehova, Elohim & other, they didn't try to devide God into 2-3 gods in a g-head.
The devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15 sure swayed some gentile people into doing so about 300 yr's or so aft God's Church was born on the day of Pentecost.
This is a Bible word(bastard), is in ref to the Man-made relig-org's churches. Don't you know who the Father is?
I Do, His name Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/30/10


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


ORTHODOX means following the established or traditional rules of a political or religious belief, a philosophy, or a way of life.

Yet this term is not used in Christianity. It's used referring to RELIGION!!!

Jesus is not a tradition or philosophy, not even a way of Life, but He is our life..quite different. The BODY should all be speaking the same thing because it's CHRIST IN YOU who is the HEAD and all thing flow down from the HEAD!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/30/10


\\God being immanent being everywhere at once, Jesus praying to the Father which was In Him,\\

Here you confuse the Father and the Son.

All you are doing is spouting the Roman heresy of Sabellian Modalism, Lawrence.

And who is Jesus, if not God Incarnate?
---Cluny on 3/30/10


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Donna
God being immanent being everywhere at once, Jesus praying to the Father which was In Him,
The Holy-Ghost. 1 God, not 2 or 3 god's & or persons in a g-head, just 1 God. John 10 v 38, 1st.Tim.3 v 16. Elsewhere in scripture Jesus said to Phillip, when you have seen me you have seen The Father, Thomas said to Jesus aft he seen the wounds, my Lord & my God. Again 1 God & Jesus Christ Is His name.

Have you & others here been to a seminary or other?
---Lawrence on 3/30/10


StevenG, in support of Donna66, I ask, where in the Bible does it say that intellectual discussions CANNOT be interesting. Read Acts 17:19-34.
---ger.toshav on 3/29/10


Lawrence -- Christians, or "church people", if you prefer, do call each other names (maybe not profane) but even on these
blogs, they call each other "fools",
"heretics", "blasphemers" etc. I don't think
this honors God, do you?

Have you found an answer yet to my question about Jesus in Gethsemane? Who did He pray to?
---Donna66 on 3/30/10


Donna66


Lawrence -- I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that Christians don't call each other names?

I am not Lawrence but I like what I have read from his statements. So if you don't mind..
We are to love one another as Yeshua loved us. That would mean what it means. I would think that makes it clear, not to do anything spiteful unto our Brothers.

I have a question for you Donna66, why do you always lay a snare? Are you trying to see if someone will stumble and sin?
PEACE TO YOU.
---Ed on 3/30/10


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--Steveng--
Pro 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another. (Hebrew sharpens the face of another)

Christians CAN be of the same SPIRIT and yet disagree about, say, the interpetation of a certain Scripture. That's what makes these blogs interesting. If everybody agreed about everything, nobody would bother to read more than once. People of any "denomination" can post here and agree or disagree, yet both may equally love the Lord Jesus.
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


Donna66: "Disagreement between Christians is inevitable and can be intellectually stimulating."

You have got to be kidding. Where in the bible does it say "disagreements... can be intellectually stimulating?" Sure, disagreement between Christians is inevitable, but that's because denominational churches make it so. So do people like you who have a different opinion and interpretation of spiritual matters because of your highly educated mind as do cluny.

Christians are to be one in the spirit, but these are the end times when love has waxed cold and disaggreements are everywhere.
---Steveng on 3/29/10


Donna
I'm just not sure what your asking here. Some church people calling each names (bad names, curse names ?) Your asking a ? is just not clear to me. I can read between lines some times but not all the time.
---Lawrence on 3/29/10


Cluny
The status-quo which Is most people are unlearned that God has only 1 Church. The Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost which Is according Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20. This was delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost by Apostle Peter. God has strict guide-lines.
ALL other relig-org's churches Are Man-mades because of here 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15. The devil has loose guide-lines. He says you can partake of the things of this world, god don't care. Just like the devil, & Is acting as the pied-piper even what he Is playing, to tickle peoples ears. That Is just what most Man-made relig-org's churches Are doing.
---Lawrence on 3/29/10


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Lawrence -- I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that Christians don't call each other names?
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


Donna
I looked up the word raca in Bible dictionary & with 2 definitions,contempt & worthless. There was No name calling for other christians, there's no such a thing as other christians.
They were first called Christians at Antioch. In the which Started here in Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20, by Apostle Peter to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost. Strait is the gate & narrow is the way be but few to find it.
The trin-people leaders deny this, becaus it's to strict for them.
Then the Man-made relig-org's churches came along beginning with the rcc the mother apostate church. Believe anything & do what you want it's ok, because of 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15.
---Lawrence on 3/29/10


Lawrence --- Can you answer the question I asked? If not, ask your pastor and get back to me, OK? This is an actual question. I want to know what you think.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


ger.toshav --- You are spot on. Disagreement between Christians is inevitable and can be intellectually stimulating. But there should be no name-calling among Christians.

Mtt 5:22 .... whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


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\\The devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15 is Is likened to the pied-piper, the rats are likened to paganism, false teachings, unspiritual theology & philosophy etc.\\

**14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.**

There's no mention of either the pied piper OR rats in this passage, Lawrence.

Why did you tell such an untruth?

Do you really think we are that ignorant of the Bible? Or were you just hoping that?
---Cluny on 3/29/10


Who is a heretic is a subjective call. People around here call anyone a heretic who doesn't see things their way. It doesn't accomplish much and just stirs up anger. It seems more an exercise in self-justification than enlightenment.
---ger.toshav on 3/28/10


Sorry you's can deny All you want.
The devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15 is Is likened to the pied-piper, the rats are likened to paganism, false teachings, unspiritual theology & philosophy etc. The humans that fallowed Are likened to the Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with the rcc that Are being led to their destruction by him playing glitter & glamor tunes. Again the devil being the p-piper has got Many here & Not much effort to keep them here.
The devil (p-piper) is aft God & His Church that was born on the day of Pentecost, that's according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19 - 20.
My eyes, ears Are turned Off to the glitter & glamor of this world the devil has to give.
---Lawrence on 3/28/10


Lawrence -- The "oneness" doctrine has several difficulties.. For example, Who was Jesus praying to in the garden of Gethsemane? Himself? Things like this keep people from considering it "orthodox" (in the broad sense of the word).
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


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Lawerence,

Let me repeat myself. The apostate teachings of the Apostolic Pentecostal Church (The Jesus Name Church, or Oneness Pentecostals) has it's roots in the early 3rd century with the heretical teachings of Sabellius, a Priest and Theologian, who taught in Rome. Oneness Pentecostals are following Apostate teachings. You can deny this all you want.

Did you know that the Roman Church origin is Apostolic, and was not founded in the 4th century, as some Anti-Catholic bigots believe (this is according to Historical documents)? She was Orthodox for many centuries. In fact, read Romans. The oneness Pentecostals can deny this all they want, but it is true.

The Jesus Name Church has NO Apostolic Succession.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/28/10


The first person to teach Oneness (erroneously called "apostolic faith") was Sabellius, a presbyter of Rome (!!!), in the late 100's.

He was deposed for teaching a novelty that nobody had ever heard of.

Think about it.
---Cluny on 3/27/10


ignatius
Do you use philosophy & theology study in your replies?, if so, then your here, 2nd.Tim. 3 v 7.
The rcc the mother apostate church came about 300 yr's after The Church of the Living God was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41. Which was delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost by Apostle Peter. The trin-leaders church people deny this but they can deny all they want.
The devil has churches which Are Man-mades.

God has Only 1 Church, which was born here, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.
---Lawrence on 3/28/10


1st_cliff: "Orthodox simply means "right opinion"
Just because an organization names themselves "Orthodox" doesn't make it so!"

Yeah, same thing with christians. Just because a christians claims to be a christian, doesn't make it so! Matthew 7:21-22
---Steveng on 3/27/10


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Orthodox simply means "right opinion"
Just because an organization names themselves "Orthodox" doesn't make it so!
---1st_cliff on 3/27/10


"The apostate teachings of rcc started about 300 yr's later." (Lawerence)

The apostate teachings of the Apostolic Pentecostal Church (The Jesus Name Church, or Oneness Pentecostals) (they are not even a true Apostolic church to begin with, as they can not trace there lineage back to the one or more of the Holy Apostles historically) however, has it's roots in the 3rd century with the heretical teachings of Sabellius, a Priest and Theologian, who taught in Rome.

Did you know that the Roman Church origin is Apostolic, and was not founded in the 4th century, as some Anti-Catholic bigots believe? She was Orthodox for many centuries.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/27/10


\\The orthodox in reference Christianity teachings is that which Apostle Peter delivered to the Jewish people First, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20 on the day of Pentecost, (Apostolic) which Is the teachings of the Apostles. There is less of God & His Church body in the world.

---Lawrence on 3/27/10//

#1 Please print
Sorry Lawrence, but Orthodox means right believing, and has nothing at all to do with the Jews, except that Orthodox Jews are also "right believing" in that they are following the traditions of the Pharisees. Rather, Orthodox Christians are those that follow the traditions of the Apostles
---FatherBrendan on 3/27/10


#3
The 1st Ecumenical (which means the Emperor Constantine called it) was in Nicaea, and was called to take care of the heresy of Arius, who was preaching that the Son was of a different essence than the Father. (Only the Father was eternal, and the Son (Jesus) was a creation of the Father.

The Orthodox (and the RCC and other Eastern Christians) believe to this day that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are of the same essence, are all God, the Trinity in one God.
---FatherBrendan on 3/27/10


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Lawrence is apparently missing the distinction between Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Christians, too.

Anyway, the persecution was done by the Arians against the true Orthodox Christians during the 300's and their brief ascendancy.

The only example of an Orthodox Emperor executing a heretic (a Monophysite, to be exact) was in the 500's. All the Orthodox bishops in the world with one voice said this sin could not be forgiven.

Lawrence, you would do well to read some primary sources, such as Eusebus and Sozomen for your church history, i/o listening to cunningly devised fables received by tradition from your fathers.
---Cluny on 3/27/10


Obewan, Brian McLaren makes a great deal of sense to me.
---ger.toshav on 3/27/10


The orthodox in reference Christianity teachings is that which Apostle Peter delivered to the Jewish people First, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20 on the day of Pentecost, (Apostolic) which Is the teachings of the Apostles. There is less of God & His Church body in the world.
The apostate teachings of rcc started about 300 yr's later. The r-leaders even nero trying to kill off the saints of the first Church that was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41. (There's No relig ties between the Jewish people & the rcc) There's more Man-mades beginning with rcc relig-org's churches in the world because Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15. Including the god of hindu's, buddha, islam etc.
---Lawrence on 3/27/10


Ignatius, yes, I was speaking of Orthodox churches recognizing the Council of Chalcedon, excluding the Nestorians, Armenians, Copts, et al., who do not recognize that council.
---ger.toshav on 3/26/10


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Orthodox is a greek word which literally means, "Correct Doctrine" or "Customary Doctrine": therefore an orthodox Jew or an orthodox Christian, is a Jew or Christian which follows the established customary teachings of their faith. For example, an orthodox Jew or Christian would be one whom keeps the passover seder or holy communion: and a unorthodox Jew or Christian would be one that disobeys the godly order and teachings commanded in the New Testament, like forbidding a woman to lead the church.
---Eloy on 3/27/10


It depends on HOW the word is used.

It can be a denomination OR it can be a description of theology.

For example, that new prolific writer Brian McLaren is now accused of having UN-orthodox theology since he has dropped off the edge of left of center theology in suggesting that other faiths (besides Christianity) can save and things like that.

He asks questions like: Who would even want to believe in a God that would torture people in an eternal Hell or destroy the world with a flood?

---obewan on 3/26/10


Each denominational church is an orthodox in and of itself - the teaching of their own ways of living, traditions and interpretations of the bible. The members of each denomination adhere to the established tradditions and faith of that particular denomination have carried on generation after generation.
---Steveng on 3/26/10


"But I am guessing that an Orthodox Christian would have a clear conscience receiving communion at any Orthodox church. Would you?"

Yes, but I will only partake of the Sacred Myteries in a canonical Eastern Orthodox church, those that are in communion with the Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandra, Moscow, Constantinople, etc, Apostolic Churches. I will not partake of it in a Non-Chalcedonian church.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/26/10


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Cluny, I stand corrected. As an Orthodox Christian you would know better than I. But I am guessing that an Orthodox Christian would have a clear conscience receiving communion at any Orthodox church. Would you?
---ger.toshav on 3/26/10


Ger, some people here (one in particular) apparently just don't get the difference between Orthodox Jews anad Orthodox Christians.

BTW--not all Orthodox are in communion with the Ecumenical Patriarch, but that's another story.
---Cluny on 3/26/10


This sounds like a rhetorical question. Orthodox Jews are Torah observant. Orthodox Christians are in communion with the Patriarch in Istanbul. Orthodoxy means right belief.
---ger.toshav on 3/26/10


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