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Anyone believe the government has been taken over by satan?

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Peter and More_excellent.... Shut up, will you.....

This is a very minor problem - yes, the original idea was Reagan's, then Clinton made some additions to what interpol could do, then Obama made some more

WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT - interpol has minimal powers in the US (what Peter says) and interpol is not governed by the constituion (what More says)

Why argue so much!!!???
---James on 4/25/10


more_excellent_way: As this blog is ending, I wanted to write (if the space still remains) that I did not want this to get out of hand, and that I respect you in your opinions, though our opinions about one subject (interpol) are different, we must remember that we are brothrs in Christ

Blessings be always with you!
---peter3594 on 4/25/10


I don't see any evidence of such a takeover, the government is no better, no worse, than it ever was

Satan affects things on earth when God allows this, but not taking over the government
---Emma on 4/25/10


more_excellent_way: I guess I am, as you say, arguing with you.

But that is because I feel your idea of the US government having the authority (in police matters) while an international authority (interpol) must not be allowed to have such authority, is rather more than what I feel I can accept.

Disliking interpol is perfectly OK, I think that is reasonable - but I did not like your initial comment about invasion

Maybe our disagreement is just a difference in ways of thinking.

I personally like neither US legal system nor international law, and would not prefer either

But again, as I said before, the arresting part is not anObama idea
---peter3594 on 4/25/10


Also, more excellent way, interpol has never arrested anyone, anywhere in the world, because that is not in the rights it was given initially - the arresting is done by the national police, at the request of interpol

Of course, the US police might arrest someone who is wanted by interpol, but it does not mean it is automatically required to

Just some facts for you
---peter3594 on 4/25/10




Peter,

You are being 'contrary' (arguementative) to everything I say.

You are also going 'off topic' simply to oppose and argue against my words.

Therefore, I will not be able to explain about the sovereignty of the American person (collectively, "We the PEOPLE") and constitutional law versus international law. Interpol was INVITED to have jurisdiction on American soil.

People who get mugged are...

1) "entitled" to hand over their money.
and are allowed to
2) "enjoy" doing so
and are given the "priveledge" to
3) make a "certain" choice (live or die).

Words don't always mean what you want them to. Be "wise as a serpent".
---more_excellent_way on 4/24/10


More excellent way: Interpol is actually answerable, to the UN, and the US CAN BLOCK movements by the UN. Also, it must send people to the courts in the Hauge, and thus it is answerable to them.

That court also has the UN human rights agreement, and other similar guiding principles.

Why do you consider that Interpol is so much worse than the US police?

Anyway, the portions removed by Obama DO NOT include arresting people (only searcing)

Thus, if they can arreast, it was given to them by Reagan, if they are not allowed by Reagan, then they are not allowed to arrest anyone
---peter3594 on 4/24/10


The Bible teaches that Satan is the prince/power of the air/world. That being said, it is correct to assume that he is involved in government activities. But remember that Jesus has overcome the world. In these end times we will see lawlessness/sin come to full fruition so it may come as no surprise to see corruption thrive at every level. Eventually we will see the Anti-Christ emerge and in those days, Christians will be uniquely challenged through persecution and rejection. We overcome "through the blood of the Lamb and the word of 'our' testimony." At the end of the tunnel is the GLORY of the Lord who will also glorify His children.
---jody on 4/24/10


Interpol is neither "military" or a foreign government, it cannot actually "invade"/overthrow any country at all. I was using the word "invade" as a reference to a loss of SOVEREIGNTY (the constitutional rights of "We the People" are no longer a consideration for Interpol).

Interpol can now investigate and arrest anyone they want and we have no Miranda rights or constitutional protections (we are under INTERNATIONAL law, AND Interpol is completely ABOVE any U.S.A. law (not accountable to the courts, F.B.I., Justice Dept. or anyone at all). Their records are also immune from scrutiny under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Council of Governors (TEN governors) is another issue to look at.
---more_excellent_way on 4/24/10


Hello everyone. I hope that you are having a good weekend. It is not unreasonable, some believes, to suggest that Satan possesses a body-not of flesh-and-blood, terrestrial body, of course, but perhaps a body of some substance, nevertheless. We do know and understand, that [1] He is a real person. [2] That Satan possesses great organizational ability. [3] He possesses emotions. [4] He possesses a will. [5] He possesses memory. [6] He possesses intelligence....The answer to your question, is YES.
---catherine on 4/24/10




more_excellent_way: OK, I should have phrased that differently. The EO 12425 is actually a Reagan EO, not Obama. Obama decided to remove four section, allowing it to
(a) search the property of internation organizations (sec 2c)
(b) check the baggage of employees on international organization (sec 3) - excluding, of course diplomats
(c) Amends its relationship with the IRS (for the worse, I think (sec 4)
(d) Forces it (interpol) to pay some extra taxed, and allows it to ask the IRS for details of taxes paid to the IRS (bot NOT to collect those taxes for the IRS - that is forbidden)
(e) Allows it to operate tax free in Wash DC

Is that invasion? Only (a,b) are slightly suspicious, but CERTAINLY not an invasion!
---peter3594 on 4/23/10


more_excellent_way: It was Reagan (who signed the original EO 12425 who made interpol an public International Organization - NOT Obama.

You can pull all the sections up on the internet. The initial EO 12425 is dated June 16, 1983 - Reagan

OK, OK, false witness is incorrect, because you said something that was excessive, but which you beleived

But remember, the president who made Interpol a public International Organization was not Obama
---peter3594 on 4/23/10


If you look closely at how OBAMA is using Exec. Order 12425, you'll see that he changed it (amended it).

Obama also established a different form of rulership to be activated whenever he decides (who's the terrorist now?).

I'm concerned that you are too anxious to convict others of bearing false witness.

E.O. 13524 Amending Executive Order 12425

Designating INTERPOL as a public International Organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities (no more SOVEREIGNTY for the U.S.).


Exec. Order 13528
Establishment of the Council of Governors
---more_excellent_way on 4/22/10


more_excellent_way: If you took the trouble to LOOK at the order (which I have) you would see it only gives interpol the right to ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES - those are similar to, but LESS THAN, those given to the US police. That IS NOT invasion!

I am concerned that you may be bearing false witness
---peter3594 on 4/22/10


People have been saying that for eons since Nero was dipping early Christians in wax and setting them afire to help illuminate the Coleseum at night.
It was thought so again as Queen Mary of Tudor in the 16th Century drowned believers known as "Anabaptists" solely because they rejected Rome's sprinkles of water for total immersion baptism.

Beyond that you've erred seeking politics over wisdom and history what's the point of the question?
---larry on 4/20/10


I will tell you what's more important than man's laws and that is God's laws. And the government is a breaking them every second of the day. And some laws that man trumps up we are suppose to obey but they don't. Wicked men in power. What can you expect. God wants everyone obeying His laws, but, what does our government do? Trash them. And some laws, man's laws, are illegal in God's eyes. So, what are you gonna do!
---catherine on 4/20/10


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If wicked men knew so much, then why is life so hard for so many around the world? God isn't doing it, wicked governments is doing it. Some unbelievers knows that something is not right, however, there are some who's in favor of dictators and such. As for me, I don't like dictators. I like righteous men and women in power.
---catherine on 4/20/10


Catherine-- What constitution? No one cares about that anymore

Sadly, this is true. And you correctly describe the problem...Men with corrupt hearts trying to run things.... unbelievers, who can only listen to the devil ... will destroy this nation...

All the more reason why the Constitution is important!
People who do not know God will not seek Him, nor listen to Him. But hopefully they will follow the law. That is why we have laws. "Men trying to run things" are bound to fail. Much prayer went into writing the Constitution, and though it has been amended a few times, it has served us well. It's purpose is to keep politicians and government from governing strictly by their own desires.
---Donna66 on 4/20/10


I see compasion in this current covernment.
A will to help those who are sick and in need of healtch care services

I see a need to help those who are poor with government entitlements.

I see a need to prevent the spread of war materials that only lead to death.

I see a need in the govenment to help those who have illegally crossed our boarders to be more human.

What i see from this current government is Godly efforts to use tax payer money to help those who cannot help themself, and those who need a little help getting on their feet.


I see a will in this government to reduce abortions.

I see LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF.
---francis on 4/20/10


Interpol and the U.N. have been given full authority by Obama to invade America...Executive Order 12425.

Constitution?....just a memory now.

Look up the Executive Order at wikipedia and youtube.

Of course it's all satans workings, but we put Obama in the White House even after 8 years of Bush.
---more_excellent_way on 4/20/10


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Catherine, while I agree with you that Governments are suppose to be governed by God, I am less sure that WE can decide when a government is or is not governed by God. Are you sure we can?

I say that because almost anyone can demonstrate that any government IS NOT ruled by God, and one could use several factors, in the US, that the government IS ruled by God

Are you sure we do actually have that power to discern that? I would be less sure than you
---peter on 4/20/10


What constitution? No one cares about that anymore. Governments are suppose to be governed by God, and when they are not, then it is an illegitimate government. We have godless people telling others what to do. Men with corrupt hearts trying to run things. It will be unbelievers, who can only listen to the devil because they do not have God that will destroy this nation and this world. I AM FOR GOD. HE WANTS TO RULE MAN BUT MAN WILL NOT BE RULED BY GOD. If God took all His people out His Holy Spirit would go too. Do you know how long this nation would last? HA.
---catherine on 4/20/10


Catherine: when you say illegitimate, how do you mean that? It operates under the constitution, thus it is not illegitimate in that way. You, I think, take its actions to be immoral. 'illegal laws' is a contradiction in terms - you mean the laws go against something in the Bible.... possibly, but I see no evidence for your later comment 'to hurt God's people'. Those laws were placed there for other reasons, because someone [not very bright, I take it] felt it would help other people. Your accusations are rather too strong
---peter3594 on 4/20/10


larry- Laugh if you wish, but I did not write that book "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". It was written long before I was born. It explains all of their goals & many of them have already been implemented in past years. If you don't believe me, look up the book title online.
---Betty on 4/14/10


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Well, I am being led to do this one again! The U.S. government is illegitimate. They have trashed God's laws and trumpted UP some illegal laws to hurt God's people. I will not bow to a wicked government, NO! I shall only bow to God, the one, true, God who lives in me.....This government and wicked people are the ones walking on slippery grounds. God's people has the all-powerful, living God, what does the wicked man have? HELL! And I am not going to argue about it no more. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 4/14/10


Hehehehe!! Atheist, you can be sooo funny! :D
---Mary on 4/14/10


Larry,

The lifeforms on Planet X are not green. Where did you get this nonsense? Their color changes according to their emotions, but are quite invisible and undetectable on our planet.

Of course Obama appears very much in their image...
---atheist on 4/14/10


The Illuminati took over the government a long time ago.
---Betty on 4/13/10

Betty, you're a scream and I can't stop laughing.

BTW, the power indicator light on your monitor is really a camera connected to a secret control room on Planet X.
Smile, you're being watched by little green men who work for the CIA.
---larry on 4/13/10


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The Illuminati took over the government a long time ago.
---Betty on 4/13/10


MarkV, yes, you are correct that all power has been given to Christ, as, in fact, all power has always been with God. The question is, will God USE the power He has always had, or is God still allowing satan to persecute us (as God did when satan wanted to attack Job)? We know God has all the power to destroy whatever is evil, even right now, but is God allowing satan to take [same] things over on earth until the final time? I take that to be Melissa's question
---peter3594 on 4/13/10


Rhonda, I hear you speak and accuse Cluny and I, but do not see any passages that conclude what you are saying is coming from Scripture, you said:

"scripture STATES Christ inherits and his rulership is a promise

until Christ returns to resurrect ALL the governments BELONG to Satan"

You speak like someone else I know, in riddles, and do not give Scripture to make your point, only talk. Lets see the passages and lets read the context of what you stated. We can take it from there.
---MarkV. on 4/11/10


I quote the exact words of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, and you say I'm promoting a lie.

Do i understand you properly, Rhonda?
*****

no Cluny don't understand me UNDERSTAND scripture ...an INHERITANCE is a promise

again Cluny if Christ is ruling NOW where is the PROMISE of peace foretold in scripture during his REIGN with the sons of God aka those who RECEIVE eternal life

and please enlighten me Cluny in YOUR understanding of scripture WHEN did the resurrection of all occur and WHEN did Christ return in the clouds for the WHOLE earth to see?

but then again when RELIGION uses one scripture and omits deletes and dismisses the supporting scriptures they PROMOTE a LIE and YOU just regurgitate it
---Rhonda on 4/10/10


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\\CHRISTIANS teach that all power in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus, according to Matthew 28:18.

"ALL" leaves nothing for Satan.
******

it's sad religion has SOLD the LIE you promote\\

Let's see.

I quote the exact words of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, and you say I'm promoting a lie.

Do i understand you properly, Rhonda?

I'm reminded of another computer board where a lady posted something, a self-styled Christian dismissed it as "liberal bull"--but the quote was DIRECTLY from the Sermon on the Mount.
---Cluny on 4/10/10


Rhonda, God never stopped being God, and Ruler of all things. Nothing that is happening today is a surprise to God. All is before Him and He controls even the devil from His Throne. He has never stepped down from that Throne. He is and always has been Ruler of all things whether in heaven, earth or even in hell itself. The God of Scripture can only be known by those whom He makes Himself known. As His most sure Word affirms, "He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35). And again, "There are many devices in a man's heart, nevertheless the counsel of the lord, that shall stand" Prov. 19:21.
---MarkV. on 4/8/10


Rhonda Part 2: Christ is God, the Creator of all things. Didn't He say,
"Before Abraham came to be, I am (Greek, eimi") (literal translation) John 8:58. He was not only claiming to be before Abraham, but He was claiming to be the eternal "I am" that is, the Jehovah of the Old Testament.
In Colossians 1:16,17 where both His eternity and work as Creator are affirmed,
"For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones are dominions, or principalities, or powers, all thing were created by Him, and for Him and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist" The Christ of Scripture is God.
---MarkV. on 4/8/10


Mark I never denied or questioned authority or deity of Christ unsure how my post led you to that conclusion

scripture STATES Christ inherits and his rulership is a promise

until Christ returns to resurrect ALL the governments BELONG to Satan

or are you one of the many religious zealots who believe Christ is ruling earth today even though the earth is dying

seeing the promise ALSO delivers peace

you do understand their is NO PEACE on earth today???
---Rhonda on 4/8/10


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Rhonda, why would you question the deity of Christ? Matthew 28:18 does not say "all power." I believe Cluny did not realize that when he said it. But I realize what he meant. Of course He does not have all power, my lawn mower has power, and so does my car. I have power, and so does everyone.
"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth"
All authority means, absolute sovereign authority-lordship over all-is handed to Christ, "In Heaven and on earth" This is clear proof of His deity. The time of His humiliation was at an end, and God had exhalted Him above all (Phil. 2:9-11).
This is not a lie as you suppose. Satan has power, but only as much as the authority of God allows.
---MarkV. on 4/8/10


CHRISTIANS teach that all power in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus, according to Matthew 28:18.

"ALL" leaves nothing for Satan.
******

it's sad religion has SOLD the LIE you promote

UNDERSTANDING is from SCRIPTURE not the fables of religion easily missing the simple FACTS from scripture - Christ RULING is a PROMISE

PROMISE is INHERITED by Christ and sons of God at Christs RETURN not before

it is absurd to believe Christ is RULING now seeing Gods Kingdom is delivered to Christ on EARTH

do you see Christ here today Cluny?
---Rhonda on 4/7/10


Ah, Atheist, still running away eh?

Adam didn't forget anything he "willfully" disobeyed and thought himself to be above God.
Doesn't this remind you of anybody?

You haven't forgotten that if you seek God you'll find him, you've just "willfully" decided not to in lock step with the Adamic curse of pride.

You don't want to find God knowing the revelation precedes confession and worship which you find intolerable.

You have proven nothing has changed between you and the first male.
---larry on 4/6/10


-peter3594- Yes, YOU get it! YOU can see that the question IS EXACTLY, "how much does the government need to do in order to protect the rights set forth in the Constitution?".

Conservatives in the US, (such as I), always say FEWER restrictions on the citizens! The progressives always say MORE! Conservatives say "no 'nanny state' for us"! Progressives say the "government is better at solving problems... The people don't understand what's good for them."

Christianity (and also the US) have real enemies in the world. I believe we need to know what we believe and hold fast to our principles.
---Donna66 on 4/6/10


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Atheist-- I SUMMARIZED a portion of the Constitution. I QUOTED part of the the Declaration of Independence. I did not name either document, because I knew you would recognize the source (and I was counting words).

Take another look at the Constitution. It never denied the humanity of anyone, despite what you heard in school. For CENSUS purposes only, slaves were counted as 3/4 of a person. There were so many slaves in the South that, otherwise, the South could have always out-voted the North in the house of Representatives (regarding slavery etc).

Cherry picking? Did you expect the entire text? Slavery was horrible, not at all consistent with the purposes of the D of I...which is WHY it was outlawed!
---Donna66 on 4/6/10


Donna,

You are quoting from the Declaration of Independance, not the Constitution.

More importantly your quote is totally contradictory to you statement and itself. The founding fathers were SLAVE OWNERS!

So quoting a document that explicitly and implicitly denied the humanity of anyone classified then as a slave, while using the same quote to whine about the size of government now, just doesn't make any sense.

But cherry picking a phrase or verse here or there seems the way most people here prove the truth of anything they need to prove the 'truth' of. They just use a different source.
---atheist on 4/6/10


Donna, you are correct in that. The question here is how much the government needs to do in order to protect the reights set forth in the constitution. At a time when a number of enemies (inside and outside) seek to reduce these, I think we have a difference of opinion as to how much the government needs to do in order to hold these enemies at bay (I think of and external enemy who has ruthlessly persecuted Christians since its founding in 1949, and continues to do so until now).
---peter3594 on 4/6/10


Atheist--Our constitution tells us thatThe main purpose of our government is to protect the freedoms of it's citizens and govern by the consent of the people The founders recognized that all men were "ENDOWED by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights....life, liberty, pursuit of happiness"
These are impeded by excessive laws.

They believed in a CREATOR and were not ignorant of the Bible. They knew that God allowed Adam and Eve FREEDOM to CHOOSE..even though they chose the forbidden fruit. Scripture is full of choices for people to make.
Deu 30:19... I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing, therefore choose life, Isa 7:1..Phl 1:22
---Donna66 on 4/6/10


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Wayne,

Don't worry about it. We will still have enough nukes left to bomb us all back into the stone age. As far as the village idiot, yes Chavez is that. Glad you appreciate that Obama is not following him down his stupid path.

Donna,

So do you have chapter and verse on governmental balance? I am a little confused, was the new testament assembled before or after the Constitution?
---atheist on 4/5/10


BHO and Russian leaders have made the nuclear arms reduction agreement. At the same time hugo chavez of venezuela and Russia have made an aggreement to expand nuclear weapons in venezuela, right next door to us. Somewhere in this group of leaders there is a village Idiot running loose. wayne5363
---wayne on 4/5/10


Atheist -- I believe Wayne is right.
The main purpose of our government is to protect the freedoms of it's citizens and govern by the consent of the people.

God, who has all power, has allowed men to make choices in life. He could have programmed them to always take the best course of action, but He has allowed them the freedom to accomplish, to fail, and to learn. Some laws by government are necessary to societal order. But an excess of laws, hinder these basic freedoms and are not Godly.
---Donna66 on 4/5/10


atheist.. I didn't mean to imply that no gov = all God. but we can have too much gov as we do now. and the gov continues to make restrictions and pass more laws.
---wayne on 4/3/10


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Wayne,

So I take it that no government would equal all god.

No police, no laws---a real survival of the fittest situation. So god's way is back to unmediated evolution.

So you are an evolutionist.
---atheist on 4/3/10


\\Cluny:

2 Corinthians 4:4
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

Satan couldn't be the "god of this world" unless God allowed him to be there.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/10\\

But is "this world" the WHOLE world?

Or does "this world" have a special meaning? (Hint: Jesus Himself used the phrase.)

Furthermore, God ALLOWING something doesn't mean that He deliberately gave it.
---Cluny on 4/3/10


To get back to the question. bigger gov does equal less God. It's been that way for all generations in all countries. We in the USA are headed in that direction. Look at how this country was founded and look at us now.
---wayne on 4/3/10


No it doesn't. Only God is smarter than Satan. Only God is stronger than Satan. Remember, Satan is the god of this world. Humans, do not stand a chance against God or the god of this world, Satan. Anything I can help you with, feel free!
---catherine on 4/3/10


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Catherine,

So god was unable to make Adam smarter that Satan. Doesn't that make Satan smarter than
god?
---atheist on 4/3/10


You see it's like this: IT WAS A TEST. And Adam flunked. No human, my friend, is smarter than Satan. No human is stronger than Satan, No matter how strong or how smart, you need God. And you need to obey God. That is spiritual warfare, my friends. Satan tricked Adam, with half-truths. I've been tricked before since I've been saved. Just like Adam, I was tricked. Satan is smart, he is deceitful, he is cunning, he is wise, he is sneaky, he is a liar, and Satan is slick. I believe Adam and Eve were saved. I base this as others, on Genesis 3:21 "The Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them". You have a good weekend.+
---catherine on 4/2/10


You see it's like this: IT WAS A TEST. And Adam flunked. No human, my friend, is smarter than Satan. No human is stronger than Satan, No matter how strong or how smart, you need God. And you need to obey God. That is spiritual warfare, my friends. Satan tricked Adam, with half-truths. I've been tricked before since I've been saved. Just like Adam, I was tricked. Satan is smart, he is deceitful, he is cunning, he is wise, he is sneaky, he is a liar, and Satan is slick. I believe Adam and Eve were saved. I base this as others, on Genesis 3:21 "The Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them". You have a good weekend.+
---catherine on 4/2/10


Catherine,

But if "Adam forgot to use the instructions God gave him to overcome satan's temptation", then how could he be the smartest man who ever lived. If that is true then all humans must be less smart than he, and how can anyone be expected to follow god's instructions?
---atheist on 4/2/10


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atheist....Adam was the smartest man that God ever created. He named the animals. He understood them.
---catherine on 4/2/10


Why didn't 'god' give 'Adam' a better memory?
---atheist on 4/1/10


satan had been controlling governance of the world since the 1st man Adam forgot to use the instructions God gave him to overcome satan's temptation. The same thing is still happening to any Christian who forgets or lay-aside Christ's instructions.
---Adetunji on 3/31/10


Cluny my brother see Jody concerning Satan being prince of the air. God gave man dominion over the earth and man has ceded this to the enemy for a season as God holds the calendar.
Daniel 10 mentions the Prince of the Kingdom of Persia (Iran) as a fallen angel (demon) who is in a literal fight with God's messengers. Its scary stuff and lets us know how puny we are without our Ephesians 6 armor.

As for the U.S. government, its as bad as christians will allow and determind by the time on our knees. Criticism of the government is a declaration that the church is weak, unless you believe we have no resource to change the world.
---larry on 3/30/10


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Cluny:

2 Corinthians 4:4
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

Satan couldn't be the "god of this world" unless God allowed him to be there.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/10


\\The Father in Heaven gave the WHOLE world to Lucifer who is Satan\\

Please give BCV for this, Rhonda. The verse you referred to does not support your point.

CHRISTIANS teach that all power in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus, according to Matthew 28:18.

"ALL" leaves nothing for Satan.

Would you like to try again?

(And if you don't accept this, go argue with Jesus. I'm only quoting His words.)
---Cluny on 3/30/10


The Father in Heaven gave the WHOLE world to Lucifer who is Satan ...the world and all its governments and religions belong to him 2Corin 4:4

Christ overcame Satan when Satan offered him the WORLD and all its governments ...it was Satan's to give ...otherwise Christ was tempted with nothing and he overcame nothing

instead Christ rejected Satans offer ...Christ and all his first fruits (who become the sons of God at the resurrection) will inherit the world and rule Gods Kingdom on Earth as promised in scripture during the millennium rule on earth

God chooses the Kings of the nations for HIS purpose
---Rhonda on 3/29/10


Satan is the prince of the air. He is involved in anything that is worldly. Jesus was a revolutionist and went against government by His very proclamations. His enemies were "higher ups in the system" so to speak. So then I suppose that satan has always had a hand in the government even though God is greater and has ultimate control and all authority rests in Him.
---jody on 3/29/10


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I do not just believe it, I know it. I suppose that we should be praying that these people will see the light. However, I rather pray like this. "Father, in the name of Jesus, please remove all of these wicked people from power. Thank You, Amen"...Also, give your people Your power, Your strength, Your wisdom, Your courage to obey you and not the government. Thank you in the name of Jesus, Amen....Hallelujah.
---catherine on 3/29/10


Anyone believe the government has been taken over by satan?

Bible writer Matthew does,

"Again the Devil taketh him (Jesus)... and sheweth him all the Kingdoms of the world... And saith unto him, All these things I will give thee..." Mt.4:8,9. (KJV)

Can't give them if he doesn't own them.

Also Bible writer Paul,

"the god of this world hath blinded the minds..." 2 Cor.4:4 (KJV)

And Bible writer John,

"the whole world lieth in the evil one." 1 Jo.5:19 (ASV)

I agree with these Bible writers. Governments, political-religions systems are and have always been under the Devils control.
---David8318 on 3/29/10


First of all, the United States government was always run by politicians, not God.

Politicians are liars and thieves. Secondly, the economy tanked because man put his trust in the stock market, lived on credit cards running up debt of mega thousands of dollars and couldn't pay their credit cards off each month, etc.,

I like Rob's answer. Satan works through people who yield themselves over to him through sin. People don't realize they are being controlled by satan, so how do YOU know that the government has been taken over by satan?
---anon on 3/29/10


\\Cluny, I was just giving a hypothetical. If the U.S. president was a white man, there wouldn't be nearly as much Satan-in-government talk around here, I'm sure...
---ger.toshav on 3/28/1\\

I've been hearing "satan-in-government" babble for most of my life, and I'm approaching 60.

Any major social change pushed by government--Social Security and the various civil rights laws come to mind--or even acknowledged by the government has brought on the cry of "Satan's taking over the government!"
---Cluny on 3/29/10


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The Government has not been taken over by Satan.

The Government has been freely given to Satan.
---Rob on 3/28/10


If we would pray without ceasing for those in authority, we wouldn't have to ask this question. No, satan hasn't taken over our government. As long as God has praying believers on this earth satan will never take over our government.


shary8757
---Shary on 3/28/10


Cluny, I was just giving a hypothetical. If the U.S. president was a white man, there wouldn't be nearly as much Satan-in-government talk around here, I'm sure...
---ger.toshav on 3/28/10


I think for eight years under George Bush the government was overtaken by Satan. But now I think the anti-Satan forces are beginning to get the upper hand.
---atheist on 3/27/10


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ger--Contrary to popular wisdom, only a few of the Founding Fathers were Masons.

jon--What is the profit from playing Pin-the-Tail-on-the-Beast? Why do you think Obama has enough spiritual significance to be the Antichrist?

If God is the true head of nations, does it matter who is holding the secular power. Really?
---Cluny on 3/27/10


"Anyone believe the government has been taken over by satan?"
Governmental institutions has always been major players in this sensually based system, and Satan has always played the lead role, after all he is the influential "god" of this world (system).
Although he and this system has been judged, execution of that judgement will not take place until the end of this age. But be of good cheer, Jesus has overcome the world and given his chosen the victory. We rest in that victory by resting in Him, through our unwavering confidence in Him.
---joseph on 3/28/10


Absolutely. If Obama is not the antichrist then who is?

I belive G-d has place the evil man there as he did with the evil man Nebuchnezzar of Babylon. America has now become the New Babylon.

It is punishment (G-ds Wrath) for this nation for doing evil in the eyes of the Lord.

They forgot the Lord and are now worhipping Satan and his idols.
---Jon on 3/27/10


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