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Prayer Deeper Than Words

So, what is prayer? Why is it that Jesus could speak specific things and they came to pass? The Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (in Romans 8:26) Can prayer be deeper than words, then?

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I agree with---Bill_bila5659
"The statement Holy Spirit intercedes "with groanings which cannot be uttered." Tongues *can* be uttered. Tongues is not deeper than words. So, praying in the Holy Spirit's own groanings, I consider, is not limited to when ones pray in tongues.

My experience with groanings wae not expressed by speaking in tongues. But the groanings seemed to come from deep within me and had no intelligence of understanding. Yet I was certain of what had taken place and I was also extremely weak(physically).
---mima on 3/31/10


Praying in "tongues" (for those who do so) is a way of expressing the "too-deep-for words prayer". They feel strongly compelled to pray, but no recognizable words seem adequate.
---Donna66 on 3/31/10


The Holy Spirit intercedes "with groanings which cannot be uttered." Tongues *can* be uttered. Tongues is not deeper than words. So, praying in the Holy Spirit's own groanings, I consider, is not limited to when ones pray in tongues. But Jude says, "praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God," in Jude 20-21. So, this can mean our deeper-than-words groanings of prayer in God's love, groaning with adoration for our Heaavenly Father, groaning with appreciation for our brothers and sisters in Jesus, groaning with compassion for anyone in need. So, this isn't some *status* thing for just a few "super-spiritual" hero saints, but whoever submits to how the Holy Spirit has us praying in God's love.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/30/10


The "prayer too deep for words" is something that few Christians achieve, though many have been fooled by something that bears a superficial resemblance to it.

You don't have to read deep mystical texts like the Philokalia to understand this. C. S. Lewis mentions it in SCREWTAPE LETTERS.
---Cluny on 3/30/10


Prayer is a request to God regarding our desires and his will for our lives. Jesus walked in his authority and whatever he spoke was. Prayer is definitely deeper than words according to scripture as you see. Without the Holy Spirit we can't speak what needs to be spoken.

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---Shary on 3/29/10




Of course prayer can be deeper than words.

I'm not sure the "western church" has totally lost "track" of anything. However only few teach "contemplative prayer", if that's what cluny has in mind.

Yet, "prayer too deep for words" is something many Spirit filled Christians
know about in their own personal prayer lives.
---Donna66 on 3/29/10


I think that scripture is more about our knowledge of what to pray for than the words themselves. The Spirit knows the desires and intents of the heart even when we do not. God knows what we need when we are blind to it. Yes, prayer goes beyond our own words but we musn't forget the importance of the words we speak. That goes into a different subject but is important. Our words can speak life or death.
---jody on 3/29/10


Many years ago I experienced "prayer" that was without words. Groanings (prayer) which cannot be uttered.
Once you have this experience you will never ever be the same!!!
---mima on 3/29/10


The Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (in Romans 8:26) Can prayer be deeper than words, then?
Yes. that's why some people pray in tongues.
---Donna66 on 3/28/10


Yes. There is a lot of Orthodox literature and instruction on this very subject.

However, it's something that Western Christianity has lost track of.
---Cluny on 3/28/10




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