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The Phrase which saids "He declared all foods clean" has been added, and is found only in corruted tranlations/texts, and not in the original writings.---Paul9594 on 4/6/10
Wrong
---MIchael on 4/6/10


paul9594--
If the Father accepted Abraham who had faith and kept His statues, laws, why would He rejects those who do the same as Abraham?
You're not saying this is the basis for our Salvation, today, are you? Christ was more than just an addition to the Jewish faith. Our Salvation is found in HIM, not Abraham.
---Donna66 on 4/6/10


trav - the scripture is very straight-forward in that the Old Covenant dispensation become obsolete after the destruction of the Temple.

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

And the line of the Jewish priests ceased with the priesthood of Christ.

Sorry that you have such a problem with interpretation of the Word of God and that is because you in your arrogance try to distort it to fit your preconceived idiotology.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


Lee1538:
Posts:
Yes Paul9594 being Jewish (or Messianic Jewish) should keep all the laws of the OT dispensation///

Sorry to dissappoint you but I'm not Jewish or a Messianic Jew, But I am of the seed of Abraham.

Saved by faith: Genesis 15:6

Having the evidence of true faith walking after the example of Abraham.

Genesis 26:5

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

If the Father accepted Abraham who had faith and kept His statues, laws, why would He rejects those who do the same as Abraham?
---Paul9594 on 4/6/10


Lee1538:

You posted:
The phrase 'and He declared all FOODS clean' simply states there was to be no longer any restrictions on what one eats.///

The Phrase which saids "He declared all foods clean" has been added, and is found only in corruted tranlations/texts, and not in the original writings.


Are you in the New Covenant or in the new covenant of the church?

---Paul9594 on 4/6/10




The Old Covenant became obsolete being replaced by teh New Covenant of the church.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10

New Covenant of the Church....hmmm.
So when/if you can't understand the names in scripture as you posted below....just change the language. Must be the Church of Word Denomination.

Hebrews 8:8 ... saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Church is derived from Eklesia...meaning called out ones....perphaps this will help you understand the context.
---Trav on 4/6/10


Romans 14:2f One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
---Lee1538

A very good point and passage. I cannot tell how many times I have been told I am going to hell for not eating unclean food. It seems that some people only use this one way.

Food does not save you or lose you in regard to salvation. Food as in all things should bring glory to GOD. Gluttony and ill advised eating does not bring glory to GOD.
---Samuel on 4/6/10


Please remember the dangers of pulling one verse here or there as proof text.The scripture must be taken as a whole. Genesis to revelations with an understanding of context and setting. Read the entire text of Romans and Romans 14. It speaks of the full sufficiency of Christ and the purpose of the Law which is to reveal the sinfullness of man and the inability to be in relationship with God without Jesus. It's not about eating or drinking or elevating one day over another...reference Romans 14. It's about Jesus.
---Lance on 4/6/10


francis -// the context was the disciples eating bread with UNWASHED HAND not eating clean and unclean.

While that is what brought the subject up in the first place, the point Jesus made was that it does not matter what one eats that makes one defiled but what comes from the heart.

The phrase 'and He declared all FOODS clean' simply states there was to be no longer any restrictions on what one eats. Romans 14:2 further emphasizes that point.

The fact the early Gentile church fathers did NOT teach food restrictions should be sufficient for us that Christians are not restricted as to kinds of food.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


Who broke the first covenent?

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


God did not change, They broke the covenant.
So god had to make a new one.

God did not break his word or his covenant.
---francis on 4/6/10




It is not just his nature that does not change. His WORD, hiS LAW, his LOVE his Mercy , HIS DOCTRINE does not change

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Be not carried about with divers and strange DOCTRINES.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should change hiS mind

Psalms 138:2 for thou hast magnified thy WORD above all thy name.

Malachi 3:6 I change not, ( mercy)
---francis on 4/6/10


Lee the context was the disciples eating bread with UNWASHED HAND not eating clean and uncelan. Jesus CANNOT and COULD not go against the prophets and allow anyone to eat what God had called unclean

Romans 14: The discussion / context is NOT about clean and unclean meats as God described. It is as corithians 10: meat offered to idols that is sold in the market place.

Those who believed that the meat offered to idols was unclean they ate herbs, those who knew it wa snot unclean of itself ate the meat.

The Context is HERBS or MEAT, not clean or unclean as God commands.
---francis on 4/6/10


Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Would they have found that God allowed man to eat what God called unclean?

God makes a testing statment about himself:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

To say that Christ has changed doctrines from yesterday today, it to introduce to them a strange and different christ.

The Bereans would find it strange that believers ate what God called unclean, because that would be inconsistent with an unchanging God.
---francis on 4/6/10


LEE get a BIBLE, a WHOLE BIBLE all 66 books.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalms 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
---francis on 4/6/10


//You know that your theology is correct when it is consistent with the bible, both OT and NT. Because God never changes

While God does not change, He does change in the way He deals with His creation. He does this by the way of covenants. The Old Covenant became obsolete being replaced by teh New Covenant of the church.

Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


francis - while God never changes in His nature, He does change the way He will deal with His creation.

For instance in the New Covenant of the church, there had to be a change in the priesthood and thus in the law as well.

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

The old Levitical pristhood became archaic with the destruction of the Temple and today "you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


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One of the greater shortcoming of Adventism & other Sabbaterian denominations is they ignore what was taught by the early church fathers, many of whom were immediate followers of the Apostles.
---LEE

The problem with most christians is that they forget that God is an UNCHANGING GOD.

God places his WORD above his NAME. So that his word is so unchangable.

Psalms 138:2 .. for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Not even God can say. " I am Mod I am changing this or that"

So if anyone teaches other than what god commanded, he is a false teacher

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.
---francis on 4/6/10


francis //Was jesus talking about eating unclean meat or eating with unwashed hands?

Scripture is as plain as can be that there are no food restrictions on Christians.

Mark 7:18f And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

Also if you would read -

Romans 14:2f One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


francis - //There is no way Jesus could say that we can eat anything, when multiple scriptures alredy said do not eat what is unclean.

One of the greater shortcoming of Adventism & other Sabbaterian denominations is they ignore what was taught by the early church fathers, many of whom were immediate followers of the Apostles.

The observance of Levitical food laws, Sabbath keeping & other unique laws of Judaism was ONLY taught among the Jewish factor of the church.

And that is sufficient reason alone to reject your belief that Christians have to observe the Jewish Sabbaht & Levitical food laws.
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10


You know that your theology is correct when it is consistent with the bible, both OT and NT. Because God never changes.

Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him,

Was jesus talking about eating unclean meat or eating with unwashed hands?

There is no way that Jesus could say that we can eat anything, when multiple scriptures alredy said do not eat what is unclean.


Do some more reading on why jesus could not be made unclean by touching lepers it is in the bible.
---francis on 4/6/10


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Donna66: "I see very little connection between eating habits and glorifying God."

1Co 6:19,20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
---jerry6593 on 4/6/10


francis - //2: Is eating unclean meats one of the sins that caused Jesus to die?
YES Isaiah 66:17

Apparently the Jesus of the Bible did not think it a sin to eat certain foods as He stated that whatever goes into the stomach is processed and discharged. He even dared to challege the status quo in saying of all things that what comes out of the heart is what defiles one, not what goes into the stomach. And sin is from the heart not from the stomach in what ones eats.

Of course those of us who have ever read Mark 7:18f know this. When are you going to read the New Testament?

And further this Jesus in the Bible made Himself unclean by touching dead bodies and even lepers. Horrible!!!!!
---Lee1538 on 4/5/10


I see very little connection between eating habits and glorifying God. Every day, popular notions about the "healthfullness" of different foods are overturned by research.

1Cr 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them.
Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
---Donna66 on 4/5/10


Four things to consider.

1: Why did Jesus die?
He died for sins. He died because men would not obey his commandments. 1 John 2:2

2: Is eating unclean meats one of the sins that caused Jesus to die?
YES Isaiah 66:17

3: Should we continue to do the thngs which caused Jesus to die? Ot should we cntinue to crucify Him again and again?
NO Hebrews 6:6

4: IS if fair that some will go to the lake of fire for eating swine, while other live in heaven.
NO that would not be a just and righteous judgment. Romans 2:13
Romans 3:4
---francis on 4/5/10


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Do,'t miss the CONTEXT. he is taling about meats offered to idols.
Not what God said is clean and unclean.

Some believed that meat offered to idols becomes unclean because it is offered to idols.

Here is an example:
Many " christians" celebrate Easter, they know it is a pagan holy day, but they do it anyway. They stay away from eggs and rabbits.

have you ever seen an egg layed that was labeled " easter" or a rabbit borne that was labeled at birth " easter?"

No animal born has the name of any pagan god on it. They all belong to God.

So a cattle offered to jupiter is not unclean, even though the weaker brother things it is.

Again CONEXT is about meats offered to idols.
---francis on 4/5/10


Thank you! I am happy that we both share those views. However, there are those who in their foolish religion believe that certain ritually unclean foods were forbidden to Christians to eat because they may be unhealthful. However, one is very hard pressed to find any nutrientists (or dietitian) who would agree with them. Lee1538

Well my sister who is not an SDA has been told by her doctor not to eat Pork because of her medical condition and others I have know have been taken off of pork also. Oysters and some other seafood are high in pollution due to the fact they are bottom feeders. But you are right the Pork industry does say it is really good for you.
---Samuel on 4/5/10


1Cor 8:9-10 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols,
Therefore, if I were around francis, I would only eat what the old law prescribes so as not to offend him. It is the liberty Paul speaks of.
1Cor 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
---MIchael on 4/5/10


Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

If this text was about what God alled clean and unclean, then it would read as this:

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth ONLY CLEAN MEATS.

The fact that the bible says HERBS, the context, and historical significance says that is not about what God calls unclean, but what man cals uncelan.

man called what is offered to idols uncelan, God does not.

So the weaker brother would not eat clean meat sold in the market because it may have been offered to idols. Thus he eats herbs.

Next post i will talk about JUDGMENT.
---francis on 4/5/10


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God MUST have a fair and Just judgment.

There are people who will go to the lake of fire because they ate swine.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Would God be a JUST and RIGHTEOUS judge if some went to hell for eating swine, while other who ate swine got to live in heaven?
---francis on 4/5/10


Genesis 9 cannot possibly refer to unclean animals. Just give it a moment of thought. God said they were unclean, would God ever ask anyone to eat that which is unclean?

The reason why God called it unclean is that we would know not to eat it.

Also keep in mind that there are some animals which can be eaten but cannot be sacrificed. The locust, and the fish for example.

So clean is not limited to that which can be sacrificed, but includes that which can be eaten. The same goes for unclean, they cannot be sacrificed or eaten.

As to God saying to Peter kill and eat:
1: Peter did not eat
2: peter said that this meant not to call any MAN common or unclean.
---francis on 4/5/10


"It is very plain from Scripture that I have already given that there are no food restrictions on what Christians should or should not eat."
---Lee1538 on 4/3/10

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.

Sure does sound like food restrictions!
---jerry6593 on 4/5/10


//I was not advocating restrictions. I was making a case for moderation.

Thank you! I am happy that we both share those views. However, there are those who in their foolish religion believe that certain ritually unclean foods were forbidden to Christians to eat because they may be unhealthful. However, one is very hard pressed to find any nutrientists (or dietitian) who would agree with them.

Just because one does not like certain foods, is that a good reason to implement it into ones religion?
---Lee1538 on 4/4/10


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I recieved a letter stating that some here had missed me.Don't be concerned.I'm fine just super busy.Have a happy Easter all.!
---shirley on 4/3/10


It is very plain from Scripture that I have already given that there are no food restrictions on what Christians should or should not eat.
---Lee1538 on 4/3/10

I was not advocating restrictions. I was making a case for moderation.

Three pieces of fried chicken - not five.
One slice of pie or cake - not three. One glass of wine or beer - not three. That type of thing.

I will eat almost anything in healthy moderation. For example, I prefer to eat butter instead of margarine.
---obewan on 4/3/10


obewan - while one can agree that one should have healthy eatin habits, there is nothing wrong with eating ritually unclean foods as defined in Leviticus. Too much fatty foods can kill you even if they come from beef and other 'clean' foods.

It is very plain from Scripture that I have already given that there are no food restrictions on what Christians should or should not eat.

It is held by most theologians that the dietary laws given in Leviticus were given to distinguish the Jewish people from other peoples.

It is interesting that both of what Jesus did and taught were contrary to OT laws such as defiling Himself by touching lepers, dead bodies as well as working on the Sabbath.
---Lee1538 on 4/3/10


Healthy eating habits do glorify God because we also help to encourage our brothers and sisters to eat healthy through our testimony.

Poor eating habits in the USA are one of the leading causes of early death through diabetes, heart disease, and obesity. So, if you have bad eating habits you may get to glory faster - that is if you believe Christians go immediately to paradise upon death - like the thief on the cross next to Jesus did.
---obewan on 4/3/10


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The Word of God is very plain that Christians may eat whatever they wish.

Ro 14:2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Mark 7:18-20 Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, What comes out of a person is what defiles him.

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Francis, Christians believe the Word of God supersedes the word given by Ellen White.
---Lee1538 on 4/3/10


Francis on 4/3/10 But ask yourself, why would God ask Noah to eat something that God Himself would not eat / consume?

Where does God say He wouldn't eat/ consume what He says Noah can Eat?
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

What does God tell Peter?
Acts 10:14 Peter(being a good Jew under Law)said...I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15...What God hath cleansed,.. isn't unclean
---michael_e on 4/3/10


The Bible surely speaks about clean and unclean before Moses. So this Law was given to all men seeing that Noah and his family was "all men."

There is absolutely no reason to believe that clean has only to do with sacrifice, It has to do with both sacrifice and eating.

God called israel to be a light to all nations, So that those who were converted, and choose to obey God, had to be in every way like israel, in diet, in sacrifice, ( see Ethiopian treasurer) and in every way like Israel, even circumcision.

Those who do not know God eat what they please, those who know God eats as God commands.

But ask yourself, why would God ask Noah to eat something that God Himself would not eat / consume?
---Francis on 4/3/10


francis on 4/2/10 I am not sure what you mean by HABIT? please clarify

The blog says eating habits, but let's try practice or custom.
I find only One dietary Law given to separate the Nation Israel from the Nations, so the others aren't Laws.
---michael_e on 4/2/10


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How many animals were born on the year long ark journey? What animals were pregnant going into the ark? How many came out of the ark?
So, if you can't answer these questions, how can you say:
"And if Noah ate just one of any unclean animal, the entire species would be wiped out. He only had one male, and one female of each unclean just to preserve the species.
---francis on 4/2/10"
I still understand clean to be what can be sacrificed, not what can be ate, as far as pre-Mosaic covenant.
---MIchael on 4/2/10


How many animals were born on the year long ark journey? What animals were pregnant going into the ark? How many came out of the ark?
So, if you can't answer these questions, how can you say:
"And if Noah ate just one of any unclean animal, the entire species would be wiped out. He only had one male, and one female of each unclean just to preserve the species.
---francis on 4/2/10"
I still understand clean to be what can be sacrificed, not what can be ate, as far as pre-Mosaic covenant.
---MIchael on 4/2/10


How many animals were born on the year long ark journey? What animals were pregnant going into the ark? How many came out of the ark?
So, if you can't answer these questions, how can you say:
"And if Noah ate just one of any unclean animal, the entire species would be wiped out. He only had one male, and one female of each unclean just to preserve the species.
---francis on 4/2/10"
I still understand clean to be what can be sacrificed, not what can be ate, as far as pre-Mosaic covenant.
---MIchael on 4/2/10


---francis on 4/2/10
How do you explain the the different dietary habits/
---michael_e on 4/2/10

I am not sure what you mean by HABIT?
please clarify
---francis on 4/2/10


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---francis on 4/2/10
How do you explain the the different dietary habits/
---michael_e on 4/2/10


God never changes, but the way He deals with mankind does
---michael_e on 4/2/10

God does not change, and he does not change the way He deals with people.
This is a common misconseption.
The way of God is IN THE SANCTUARY, and that does not change.

Psalms 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
---francis on 4/2/10


---Michael on 4/1/10 Unless I misunderstand this passage, Noah and the seven could have anything to eat as long as the blood was drained (v4).

michael, I read this the same as you.
Adam and Eve ate no animals, Noah ate what ever he could catch. Under Law Israel ate certain animals. God told Peter In Acts kill and eat. God never changes, but the way He deals with mankind does
---michael_e on 4/2/10


If this passage is true to my understanding, the question of when it changed arises.
According to my understanding at this time, it changed when God gave Moses the laws because of the hardness of the Israelites' hearts.
MIchael on 4/1/10

the purpose of the Book of Genesis is to show how things began. Although all Ten Commandments occur in Genesis, it is not a book that highlights the Law.
In the same manner the doctrine of clean and unclean meat is in Genesis, yet Genesis does not give detail accounts of how to define clean and unclean.

God did not make a change with Moses to say that we should no longer eat some animals. With Moses he gave detail description of what was clean and unclean.
---francis on 4/2/10


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Unless I misunderstand this passage, Noah and the seven could have anything to eat as long as the blood was drained (v4).
---MIchael on 4/1/10

Remember a sacrifice is not only burned it is also eaten. Only the Sin sacrifice/ offering, and the Red Heifer sacrifice are to be burned whole and not eaten.

So clean animals refers to that which can be sacfiriced and also eaten.

Also if you think about it, after God has called then unclean, why then ask Noah to eat what is unclean?

And if Noah ate just one of any unclean animal, the entire species would be wiped out. He only had one male, and one female of each unclean just to preserve the species.
---francis on 4/2/10


Interesting viewpoint francis.
I am more of the understanding that Noah took seven of the clean animals to sacrifice after they got to a place where they could make an alter (Gen 8:20).
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Unless I misunderstand this passage, Noah and the seven could have anything to eat as long as the blood was drained (v4).
If this passage is true to my understanding, the question of when it changed arises.
According to my understanding at this time, it changed when God gave Moses the laws because of the hardness of the Israelites' hearts.
---MIchael on 4/1/10


francis,
Could I ask you what Rom 14 and Col 2 mean to you?
---MIchael on 4/1/
Romans 14:5
There are christians who still celebrate passover, and penticost. Nothing wrong with that. Some think that these feast days are important. If you want to celebrate them go ahead no sin commited.

Romans 14:14
No clean meat is unclean just because some of it was offered to an idol. God owns everything, and everything is God's. In fact there are no gods but God. So if you want to eat the meat that was offered to idols do so, if it bothers you to eat it do not eat it.

Colossians 2:16 (cross reference with leviticus 23)
You no longer have to offer meat offerings, drink offering or keep sabbaths (penticost, passover, ETC)
---francis on 4/1/10


francis,
May I ask what your definitions of Legalism and Judaising are in order to better understand your position on these things and help me be less judgmental?
---MIchael on 4/1/10

I would not say I Honour the Sabbath, I honour God by keeping the sabbath day holy.

About Mosiac dietary laws: All the dietary laws existed before Moses.
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Legalism is the thought that we are saved by Keeping the Law.
We are saved by faith.

Judaising is asking people to return to sanctuary services to be saved. reference Galations.
---francis on 4/1/10


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francis,
I will consider you a weaker brother...
---MIchael on 4/1/10
1 Corinthians 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

1 Corinthians 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

The weaker brother believes that meat which has been offered to an idol is unclean.
The stronger knows that God has made all animals and no clean animal is unclean just because it was offered to idols.

This has nothing to do with clean and unclean animals as God stated.

Notice the contract is between meat and herbs, not clean and unclena animal meat.

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
---francis on 4/1/10


No neither. God does want us to be healthy,yes , but we have a freewill to choose what we eat. He wouldn't care if we had fried chicken or a soup-n-salad. As long as you worship him & give him the attention ,that's all he requires.
---candice on 4/1/10


May I ask what your definitions of Legalism and Judaising are in order to better understand your position on these things and help me be less judgmental? MIchael

Legalism and Judaising are similar in my understanding. It is salvation by works or using a system to save myself. There is a list which can even be from the Bible and as I compare myself with others if I am better at the list then I am saved.

Grace is that GOD saves us through JESUS by faith in Him alone. Grace also changes us to live like JESUS and follow Him. In order to save myself I would have to be as perfect as JESUS so I love others but LOVE GOD first.
---Samuel on 4/1/10


francis,
You honor the sabbath day, tithe, and follow the Mosiac dietary laws.
Could I ask you what Rom 14 and Col 2 mean to you?
I will consider you a weaker brother and therefore will no longer judge you on what days and food you set aside for the Lord.
May I ask what your definitions of Legalism and Judaising are in order to better understand your position on these things and help me be less judgmental?
---MIchael on 4/1/10


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What is the Bible's prescribed diet?
Can you list a few do's an don'ts?
Is it similar to the OT Israelite diet?
What is different about the prescribed diet?
Is chocolate part of it? How about yogurt?
---MIchael on 3/31/10

Deuteronomy 14:6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, [and] cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.

Deuteronomy 14:9 These ye shall eat of all that [are] in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:

Deuteronomy 14:11 [Of] all clean birds ye shall eat.
---francis on 4/1/10


cluny, Friendly_Blogger: "As no one get to heaven until the resurrection of the dead followed by judgement."

No human is in heaven yet until Jesus returns and gathers his people where the dead in Christ shall rise first and the living in Christ shall be caught up with them. This is the first resurrection at the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ.

The second resurrection occurs at the end of the thousand year reigh of Christ in which all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works.

Blessed are they ath rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 3/31/10


The bible clearly teaches that we are to do everything for the purpose of Glorifying God. If what you are eating is glorifying to God than eat it. If its not than don't. I think God would say stop thinking so much about what to eat or not to eat and just live for me...We waste so much time on stupid things like that...oh by the way if we do not immediately God into the presence of God when we die, and we have to wait until the second coming, explain then to me the transfiguration. when Moses and Elijah appeared back on earth and conversed with Jesus. Were they resurrected from the dead or were they in heaven and God sent them to meet with Jesus... Just something to think about oh that is in Matthew 17:1-13
---Harry on 3/31/10


What is the Bible's prescribed diet?
Can you list a few do's an don'ts?
Is it similar to the OT Israelite diet?
What is different about the prescribed diet?
Is chocolate part of it? How about yogurt?
---MIchael on 3/31/10


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Eating food gives energy to the body so that the body is able to work and do service to God and man. Wise or healthy eating can promote good health, and it is easier to serve God when you are healthy strong to help others rather than being ill and to weak to even help yourself.
---Eloy on 3/31/10


can a Jew eat whatever He wants?
and a gentile believer, is there NO limitation?

---Andy3996 on 3/31/10
No. Neither is allowed to eat what he wants. All followers of christ have the same prescribed diet, from the same source:
the bible.
---francis on 3/31/10


can a Jew eat whatever He wants?
and a gentile believer, is there NO limitation?
---Andy3996 on 3/31/10


What glorifies God in eating habits are:

Eat ONLY food that God has sanctified for food:

1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


and be temperate in eating what God has sanctified for food

1 Corinthians 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible.
---francis on 3/30/10


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It is not what goes into the man which defiles him but what comes out of his mouth. From the mouth,speaks the abundance of the heart. Food and drink are only a shadow of things to come. None of it matters. jody

Food and Drink do not defile us. But they are still important. If you do not have them you die.

1Cr 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

All we do now is to bring GLORY to GOD and that is very important.
---Samuel on 3/30/10


\\So What does "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" in 2 Cor 5:8 mean? Answer: Absolutely Nothing. When you read it in full context it does not mean what you think it means.\\

WRONG!

It doesn't mean what YOU think it means, Friendly Blogger.

In any case, to get back to the subject of this thread, what other way do we have to overcome gluttony and intemperance other than by fasting and abstinence?
---Cluny on 3/30/10


Cluny, you kind of remind me of the farm boy who took a dare from one of the boys at school to take 4 bottles of his dad's Corn Huskers lotion go into the barn poor it into an empty quart jar along with a pint of nitric acid screw the lid on tight and shake it vigorously. Needless to say he is not with is any more , neither is the barn.
So What does "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" in 2 Cor 5:8 mean? Answer: Absolutely Nothing. When you read it in full context it does not mean what you think it means.
When to try to take a fragment of a verse of scripture out of context and try to make a theological president of it you are heading for a disaster like the story. Corn huskers Lotion is mostly Glycerin.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/29/10


Well, it won't get you to heaven faster, however, it might, if you are eating the wrong stuff....Yea, we are suppose to do everything as unto the Lord for His glorification. Do we fall short, at times? Yes.
---catherine on 3/29/10


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It is not what goes into the man which defiles him but what comes out of his mouth. From the mouth,speaks the abundance of the heart. Food and drink are only a shadow of things to come. None of it matters.
---jody on 3/29/10


Good eating habits do not save us. But all that we do should glorify GOD. Money overspent on getting more food then you need. Could keep a child from starving. So do you need to eat extra or feed a child. My church used to ask people to skip one meal a week and send the money saved to support a child in a country from starving to death.

In the School where I taught we had the children eat just one boiled potatoe for lunch during a week. We then spoke to them on the fact that in some parts of the world that was the only meal some children get for a whole day.
---Samuel on 3/29/10


It's not what goes into a man that defiles him, it's what comes out of him that defiles him.

Meaning what comes out of the heart is spoken and defiles him if that person's heart has bitterness in it, reseentment, unforgiveness, anger, lust, etc.,

Where does it say in the bible to eat certain foods because eating those foods Glorify God? I'm interested in this scripture reference?

I love eating healthy, but I don't like being a vegetarian.
---Donna5535 on 3/29/10


\\As no one get to heaven until the resurrection of the dead followed by judgement.
---Friendly_Blogger on 3/28/10\\

What does "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" in 2 Cor 5:8 mean?
---Cluny on 3/29/10


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Yup, overeating is a sin and leads to many health issues.

I have a heathly eating habits (lots of fruits/vegetables, whole grains, nuts, limited amount of sugar/salt, green drinks, etc) (isn't our bodies God's Temple afterall?), but we all going to die, some sooner than others, some healthier than others :)

But like Cluny stated, have you ever heard a sermon against Gluttony? I know such sermon did not exist in my former Pentecostal Church (my former pastor was way overweight).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/29/10


Good question, Jan.

Gluttony has been accounted one of the seven principal sins, but it's the only one encouraged in some Christian circles.

When was the last time you heard a sermon against it?
---Cluny on 3/28/10


It depends on how many Baptist potlucks you attend, and how much you like fried chicken and hot links.
---ger.toshav on 3/28/10


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