Explain John 5:8
First John 5:8 says,"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." How can the earth, Spirit and water witness to each other? What does this verse mean to you?
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---mima on 3/31/10
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MIchael, on 4/5/10, spoke well.
---aka on 10/13/10|
Party-line (Orthodox) dogma is the only thing that i can figure.\\
Another way of saying "the plain words of scripture."
It's saying that "water" means physical birth that's a novel party line dogma.
---Cluny on 10/12/10|
//Idk how you got water baptism out of that.//
Party-line (Orthodox) dogma is the only thing that i can figure.
---aka on 10/12/10|
First, Mima . . . I understand it is not saying the earth is agreeing and bearing witness. But *in the earth*, there are three that bear witness. So, then . . . how can the Spirit, the water, and the *blood* bear witness and agree? Well, the Holy Spirit bears witness to Jesus. Water baptism can be confessing Jesus before people (I consider John 1:31, Luke 12:8). And the blood of Jesus being shed and the blood of *His* martyrs testifies to how Jesus is so superior to Satan and this world.
---Bill on 10/12/10|
Except a man be born of WATER and of the SPIRIT
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit
Idk how you got water baptism out of that. I mean Jesus tells us what he means by "water" and "spirit" in the very next verse
---JackB on 10/12/10|
\\The WATER is the natural birth.
---Gloria on 10/12/10\\
* W * R * O * N * G * !!!!
It's referring to water baptism. The blood refers to the Eucharist, in which true Christians receive the blood of Christ. Spirit is referring to Christmation/Confirmation.
For those who know about the ancient Christian practice of the mysteries of Christian Initiation, there is no puzzle here.
---Cluny on 10/12/10|
The WATER is the natural birth.
---Gloria on 10/12/10|
5 Except a man be born of WATER and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
As Michael said, blood was there at the birth and death of our Saviour, who was born of water and Spirit.
---aka_joseph on 4/26/10|
lit.Gk:"Because three being who bear witness in the heaven: the Father, the Word, and his Holy Ghost, and these the three in being: also three being who bear witness upon the earth: his Spirit, and his water, and his blood, and the triune his in being." I Jn.5:7,8 "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And Jesus went to them walking on the sea. And Mariam birthed the son of her, the first-born. As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that opens the womb will be called holy to the Lord. Handle me, and see: for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you all see me have. And one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and came out blood and water." Mt.1:20+ 14:26,27+ Lk.2:7,23+ 24:39+ Jn.19:34
---Eloy on 4/6/10|
1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
It was Jesus who was born(witness against gnostics), crucified(passover lamb witness to Israel), resurrected (witness against sadducees), and has ascended sending the Comforter witnessing the truth of it all to all.
Blood and water both at His birth and death.
---MIchael on 4/5/10|
The Spirit , water and blood all witness.
I believe the water is the WORD..the water of the word. When Jesus side was pierced out came blood and water. I don't believe Jesus water baptism is what the water mean. However the Water=word and the blood and the Spirit do all witness the exact thing, Jesus.
God Word witnesses in the earth, the Spirit witnesses in earth, and His Blood witnesses in earth.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/10|
Thank you Mark V and Happy Easter.
---larry on 4/4/10|
Anna, the prophetess = the spirit.
Luke 2:36-38 Luke 2:37 And she was a widow of about 84 years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
Simeon, the priest = the blood.
Luke 2:25-32 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
john the baptist = the water
"behold the lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world".
---john on 4/4/10|
The passage doesn't say earth if one of three.
The passage says, "there is three that bear witness in earth"
Water and blood constitute external, objective witnesses to who Jesus Christ is. They refer to Jesus baptism (water) and death (blood). John here is combating the dualism the false teachers who asserted that "Christ-spirit" departed from the man Jesus just prior to His death on the cross. John writes to show that God has given testimony to the deity of Jesus through His baptism and death. The testimony of Christ comes through the the Holy Spirit. The O.T. law required the testimony of two or three witnesses to establish the truth of a particular matter Deut. 17:6, 19:15, John 8:17,18, 1 Tim. 5:19.
---MarkV. on 4/4/10|
The Holy Spirit convicts the world "'of sin, because they do not believe in Me, of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more, of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.'" (John 16:9-12)
convicting "of sin" > "the Spirit" bears witness to sin and our need for Jesus
"of righteousness" > "the water" of baptism witnesses Christ is our righteousness (accompanied by "washing of water by the word", Ephesians 5:26, witnessing by actually cleansing and sanctifying us into what is real righteousness)
"of judgment" > "the blood" of Jesus and His martyrs shows Satan is so wrong, therefore "judged"
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/4/10|
Bless you Catherine, an honest Christian who admits that there are some things they do not know!
---Donna66 on 4/2/10|
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Water and Blood: Yes, we all must study. It doesn't matter what your calling is! No one knows [now] exactly what John had in mind when he used these two symbols. Tertullian's guess seems to fit the facts best: The water is a reference to His baptism or inauguration, where the voice from heaven declared, "This is my beloved Son, and established that Jesus was the Christ". You know I have seem Jesus. A FULL form of Him and a bust, yes. What fools those wicked men were who layed a hand on my God, and my Savior. And what fools who lays a hand on one of God's own servants. You need no man to ordain you. You only need God. Many preachers who's been ordained by other men, and they turned out to be false preachers.
---catherine on 4/2/10|
"And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three agree as one." (1 John 5:8) It's interesting that the Holy Spirit inspired the writer to put "the Spirit" *before* "the water" which ones would say means baptism. This could be taken to mean I first need the *convicting conversion* of the Holy Spirit, before testifying to Jesus via water baptism. But what about "the blood"? "The blood of martyrs after they have been filled with the Holy Spirit and have confessed Jesus in baptism." "'Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.'" (Matthew 10:32)
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/1/10|
First off it said they bear witness on Earth, NOT that the earth has to do with the three, 2nd donna it is 1John 5:8,guess the moderator forgot to put the 1 before John, confused me as well....
3rd:i'll explain in post two...
---candice on 3/31/10|
Ok 1John 5:8
The Spirit-the testimony of the Spirit at his concecration~ the oil representing the Spirit.
And the water-Symbolic baptisim in water.
Water is the symbol of the Word "washing of the water by the Word."
And the Blood: the blood representing the price of our peace.
The testimony of the Spirit at his resurrection.
AGREE IN ONE- Agree in one testimony.
The testimony concerning God's son.
The three in the type bear harmonious testimony that the consecrated ones are accepted in the Beloved.
notes from the Expanded bible Comments.
---candice on 3/31/10|
my Bible says,
Jhn 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
---Donna66 on 3/31/10|
This is clearly a reference to the Christian Mysteries (or Sacraments) of Baptism, Chrismation, and the Eucharist.
When you reject the Mysteries, a lot of the Bible stops making sense.
---Cluny on 3/31/10|