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Why would any saved person wanna go to church when the church is full of mean people?

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The church is our responsiblity as members.You can't monitor what is in our Leaders heart.That's Gods job.I try not to concern myself with that sin.I pay my tithes,it's the least I can do for the Lord,I pray for my church family in christ,I know someone may do wrong.As far as mean people I thought so too when the Lord lead me to the church that I currently attend. What happened is I got involed,So I teach Sunday School. God will not lead you and then leave you. There is something you have they need.Search your heart,maybe it is just that you come every sunday,maybe just your smile.Don't give up,You never know why you are there.But one thing I do know God dosen't start a good work and leave it undone.
---laurel on 4/14/10


Mean people ought not be going to church. Why do they go, besides socializing? God don't hear their prayers, and their worship is an abomination, which means strong negative feelings, to the Lord.
---catherine on 4/14/10


KarenD I had stopped going to Church because many of them are only based on religion and traditions of men.

I am happy to say that even though it took a few years I did find a Church which is grounded in SOUND BIBLICAL TRUTH.
---Rob on 4/14/10


I still can't figure out why God would send His Only Begotten Son not only to die for our sin and rise again to give us a bridge back to the Father, but to suffer through 3+ decades with someone like me.
---aka_joseph on 4/14/10


Catherine- Try praying for those mean churches & rely on God to do the rest. Yet people ought to go to church, even if they attend a church that is not perfect. When churches are abandoned, what good are they to anybody? None.
---Betty on 4/14/10




In answer to the blog question, I think part of the answer is that sincere-saved people think that that is what they are supposed to do, and they don't know what else to do.

The institutional/organized church is a hold over from the dark ages, and the church tries to dominate and control people. They basically threaten people with hell and loss of salvation if people don't submit to the "church." Remember, the NT speaks about the pharisees who might put people out of the synagogue causing people to fear the religious institutions instead of trusting Christ.
---Rod4Him on 4/14/10


Roby....Have you been told by God to stop going to church like HE told Catherine to do?
---KarenD on 4/14/10


AMEN! Catherine.

What you have written I have seen too many times.

Churches are filled with many people, but so many of them are decieved and don't konw or abide in GOD'S TRUTH!

Too many of them are caught up in the TRADITIONS and FALSE RELIGIONS which have been created by men.
---Rob on 4/14/10


I have heard that some of your meanest people are church-going people. Not God's people, but, church-going people! Some has been going to church for fifty years and has yet to be saved. Going to church will not save you. Only the Blood of Jesus Christ will save you when He comes a calling.
---catherine on 4/14/10


I love your answer Betty--right on! :)
---Mary on 4/13/10




"You will know them by their fruits". Find another church. May take some shopping around as we are in a state of apostasy and in many, love has waxed cold. Hope you find some kind,loving Christian people to associate with. The important thing is to not become bitter, offended or stumble because of PEOPLE. Do not let them steal what you have. Pray for the churches even if the people are "mean". Churches are in big trouble in this country and need our prayers. Keep the faith:)
---jody on 4/13/10


"Where two or three are gathered together in My Name, there am I in the midst of them," Jesus Christ said. Many people go to church that are sinful, but that is a good place for them. They need to learn that God would want them to live according to His plan.
---Betty on 4/13/10


Gary...Nope! Not once have I been audited in the 40+ years that I have been filing returns. The IRS is one of those strange agencies that knows when people are trying to deceive.
---KarenD on 4/11/10


But also remember, as one old pastor said, "Salvation is free, but the church costs money."
---Cluny on 4/10/10

And I also preach that those who attend a local church are morally obligated to support that church financially.

And I also realize that a great many churches help the poor in the community and some even help those in other countries.

I'm all for the honest church. Even those that collect the tithe that I detest can do much good for the members and community.
---Gary on 4/10/10


Gary -- I've had my tax returns audited three times. And I walked away all three times, owing not a cent more than I paid.

I have to itemize my returns, therefore I make it a point to have proof of everything, including any tax exempt donations. Proof is all a tax auditor is interested in...He's a stranger. I can't believe he really cares to whom you give or how much. (As I mentioned before, most of my donations were NOT tax deductible so I did not include them)

If you can fill out the short form, you are less likely to be audited, but it's still easier and safer if you have proof of everything.
---Donna66 on 4/10/10


\\I preach that so-called giving to a church is really paying your share of the expenses, plus maybe also paying for others that can't afford it\\

I see the point of what you're saying here, Gary, and commend you for it.

However, my parish church seeks to provide for those outside the immediate needs, such as (among other things) providing education for children in a Christian school in the middle east.

But also remember, as one old pastor said, "Salvation is free, but the church costs money."
---Cluny on 4/10/10


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StrongAxe - The problem is, there is NO example in the Bible on giving to a church. The collections that Paul referred to were FOR THE POOR SAINTS, not for a church building, utilities, salaries, etc.

I preach that so-called giving to a church is really paying your share of the expenses, plus maybe also paying for others that can't afford it. Since you, yourself, benefit from the church building and services, I hardly think the word gift is even appropriate. But when one gives beyond their share, that can be considered a gift, and in my opinion, the principles that Jesus uses in Matthew 6 applies here as well. That's my interpretation.
---Gary on 4/9/10


Gary:

In Matthew 6, Jesus warns against almsgiving and praying in public - like the hypocrites who do so in order to win the praises of men. If you write your name on a contribution envelope, the only people who will ACTUALLY see it are the church treasurer, and maybe an IRS auditor. It's the same if you write a check - it will only be seen by the treasurer and a bank teller.

This is far different than standing up in front of the church, putting a check into the plate, and saying "Attention everybody! I am making this donation to buy a new wing for the sanctuary (and please name it after me)".

Even if you drop in anonymous cash, SOMEONE may see you. Jesus was not advocating ninja-like stealth tactics here.
---StrongAxe on 4/9/10


The IRS only knows that you have made charitable donations. The tax return does not show if the donations are religious or otherwise. ---KarenD on 4/9/10

UNTIL you are audited and the IRS asks for receipts and proof of payment. Maybe you have never been audited.

As soon as you claim a deduction on your tax return, you have opened the door for scrutiny. As soon as you put your name on the contribution envelope, you have voided all secrecy.

Most seem to have no problem compromising God's Word, especially if it means getting a tax refund. NOW TELL ME WHO IS THE ONE WHO CARES SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR MONEY!!
---Gary on 4/9/10


catherine, reread the parable of the wheat and tares. Sitting in a church is no different than sitting at a bus station just people have different and they smell better.

I was in a church that was totally not living what they were hearing every Sun and Wed. I did not know why God led me there or why He asked me to stay, but I was hearing some amazing sermons. When he released me from that pris...church, I had a solid foundation in His Word.

Ask God to lead you to a chuch that is covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ. There is not many of them left. So, go where he leads with the eye on the prize. Our job here is not to get to heaven, but to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---aka_joseph on 4/9/10


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You may be worried about giving your money to the church and to other organizations that are doing the Lord's work, but I don't love my money that much.
---KarenD on 4/9/10

You draw wrong conclusions. I am not worried about giving my money to a church. I have always been a very generous giver. HOWEVER, I do understand that giving to the church is payment for the building, utilities, salaries, etc. It is a payment FOR SERVICES RECEIVED. When giving to a church you are getting something in return. NOT THE SAME when you give to the poor. THAT is REAL giving.
---Gary on 4/9/10


Gary...The IRS only knows that you have made charitable donations. The tax return does not show if the donations are religious or otherwise. As far as our giving being to the Lord, anytime you do anything for anyone else or give to the church it is giving to the Lord. Giving is unto the Lord unless you are giving to get something back. You may be worried about giving your money to the church and to other organizations that are doing the Lord's work, but I don't love my money that much.
---KarenD on 4/9/10


The first gives for personal benefit, the second gives more selflessly. Which do you think Jesus would prefer?
---StrongAxe on 4/9/10

There were past years where I did exactly that. I deducted my contributions, figured out how much in taxes I saved, and then took that savings and gave it back to the church.

Now that I am more in touch with The Word, I deduct nothing. I think Jesus would prefer we follow His Word and keep our giving in secret. The end doesn't justify the means here anymore than pastors who lie to collect the tithe and then claim they are using the money to do God's work.
---Gary on 4/9/10


GOD wants to give from our heart. But the money of those who give from other reasons can still be used for the LORD'S work.
---Samuel on 4/9/10

Very true, Samuel. That is why I preach that money from gambling, and even from drug sales, should be accepted by the church in order to take that so-called "unclean" money and turn it around and use it for good.
---Gary on 4/9/10


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GOD wants to give from our heart. But the money of those who give from other reasons can still be used for the LORD'S work.

Never disparage a giver. GOD is working on them. It is those with hearts of stone who do not give to help others.
---Samuel on 4/9/10


Gary:

It isn't necessarily about boasting (although for some it probably is). If you have a certain amount of money available to give, more will be available if it is tax deductible - so, given the choice between giving $100 to a ministry or $120 tax deductible, you have the choice to either give the first anonymously (to selfishly build up glory for yourself in heaven) or to deduct it and perhaps lose your reward, but making sure your money does more good. The first gives for personal benefit, the second gives more selflessly. Which do you think Jesus would prefer?
---StrongAxe on 4/9/10


I see nothing wrong with people using their tithing as tax deductions or expenses for the ministry as deductions. I prefer to pay the Lord than the IRS.
---KarenD on 4/8/10

1 - Can you give even one scripture to show that giving to a ministry is giving to The Lord?

2 - I also prefer giving to God rather than to the IRS, and I do so WITHOUT claiming any deduction on my tax return. The question is, do you prefer to give IN SECRET per His Word, or do you prefer to claim a deduction on your tax return and VOID the secrecy?

Do you follow God's Word, or do you follow man's example?
---Gary on 4/8/10


Gary:

You are right. In the New Testament, Jesus praised those who helped others (and condemned those who didn't). In contrast, he didn't have much to say about people giving to the temple (except for praising the widow who gave two pennies - BECAUSE it was all she had).

Donna66:

You are right too. While so many Christians insist on giving a legalistic tithe, I have yet to hear one sing the hymn:

I surrender one tenth!
I surrender one tenth!
One tenth to thee my blessed savior
I surrender one tenth!
---StrongAxe on 4/8/10


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I see nothing wrong with people using their tithing as tax deductions or expenses for the ministry as deductions. I prefer to pay the Lord than the IRS.
---KarenD on 4/8/10


A lot (sometimes most) of what I give is to needy individuals, not organizations. Thus it is not tax deductible. ...Donna66

Very good point, Donna. And I really believe most blessings come from giving to those needy individuals. That's when you are really giving to God.
---Gary on 4/7/10


gary--
You are showing all that see your tax return how much you gave.

NO. I hope you don't believe that one's tax return tells everything! You could be making false assumptions.

I do not tithe. I give as I feel led by the Lord, which usually ends up being much more than 10%. A lot (sometimes most) of what I give is to needy individuals, not organizations. Thus it is not tax deductible.

If I have tax deductible donations, I declare them as the law allows (though I certainly didn't make them BECAUSE of the tax deduction) It never ends up saving me much, but I like this law because it encourages corporations and wealthy individuals to give. I hope Obama doesn't outlaw it.
---Donna66 on 4/7/10


Gary:

Perhaps you didn't read my math correctly: The very part of my statement that you yourself quoted showed giving $9 (10% of $90) to the church, which is tithing off the net.

In any case, I was NOT making any point about whether tithing is relevant or not - only about whether or not you get an "earthly reward" by clamining your gift as tax deductable. If you give the same percentage, you pay the same amount - the only difference is WHO gets the larger share first, the church or the IRS.

Whether tithing is appropriate in the first place, or how one should prioritize one's income in other areas are two separate questions entirely.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/10


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If the IRS gets their cut first, they take $10 off the top, and you are left with 90% - you pay $9 to the church. You are left with $81.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/10

You are following the teachings of ignorant pastors who tell you to tithe off your gross income. These ignorant pastors don't even know the meaning of "gross income."

Since tithing was NEVER on income to begin with, and since tithing ENDED at the cross per Hebrews 7:5,12,18, whether you give from your net or gross income doesn't matter. You give from the heart, according to your means, per the New Testament. There is NO percentage to follow in the New Testament.
---Gary on 4/7/10


StrongAxe - You use 10% in your example. You also use priorities and place giving the church 10% as your top priority.

1 - If you do a study of 1 Timothy 5:8, you will find that The Word tells us to put our family FIRST. Yes, FAMILY FIRST, not church first.

2 - Under God's Law, the tithe was NEVER the first. It couldn't be without being disobedient to God's commands.

3 - At NO time did God ever say that giving to a church is giving to Him.
---Gary on 4/7/10


Gary:

It isn't a matter of when, but of how much. Suppose you have $100 and you pay 10% to the IRS and 10% to the church.

If the IRS gets their cut first, they take $10 off the top, and you are left with 90% - you pay $9 to the church. You are left with $81.

If the church gets their cut first, they take $10 off the top, and you are left with 90% - you pay $9 to the IRS. You are left with $81.

In practice, you would pay the $10 to the IRS first, then $10 to the church, but
then get a $1 tax refund since you only owed them $9. In both cases, the IRS gets $9, the church gets $10, and you get $81.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/10


The only difference is one of priority - if you give a tax-deductible gift to the church, the church gets its cut first, and THEN the IRS gets its cut of whatever is left.
---StrongAxe

Oh really? Seems to me the income tax is deducted out of the paycheck BEFORE you even get your paycheck, so the IRS gets theirs first.

The money you pay for taxes IS THE GOVERNMENTS, by law. By deducting your contributions on your tax return, THE GOVERNMENT (ALL TAXPAYERS) are supporting YOUR church.

IF you donate $100 to your church and the government gives you back $25, you really only gave $75.
---Gary on 4/6/10


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Furthermore, a large percent of givers aren't able to itemize their deductions, so the IRS also gets its cut off the top, and sends nothing back to the giver. That's the way it should be.

Your reward on this earth is the recognition the church gives you for donating, NOT the tax refund. To claim the deduction is similar to boasting. You are showing all that see your tax return how much you gave.

Being a retired tax auditor, I know. I've seen exactly how much thousands of taxpayers gave to their church. REAL SECRET, ISN'T IT!!
---Gary on 4/6/10


Gary:

You're not getting "rewards on earth". The money you pay in taxes is ALREADY YOURS, and the tax refund is YOUR money in the first place.

The only difference is one of priority - if you give a tax-deductible gift to the church, the church gets its cut first, and THEN the IRS gets its cut of whatever is left. If the gift is not tax-deductible, the IRS gets the first cut, and the church gets the second cut.
---StrongAxe on 4/6/10


The way laws are, churches need to keep careful records of who gives what, though I'm the first to admit it's not everybody's and anybody's business.---Cluny

Incorrect. The way MAN is, wanting a tax deduction, requires the church to keep records.

Not all denominations keep records of who gives. Not all denominations even allow an individual to put their name on the contribution envelope. Why is this? BECAUSE IT IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS. When you put your name on the envelope and "get credit" for the gift, and claim it on your tax return, you have received your reward here on earth.
---Gary on 4/6/10


\\That means NO contribution envelope with your name on it.\\

This verse you quoted out of context is referring to alms for those in need, not to giving through your local church.

The way laws are, churches need to keep careful records of who gives what, though I'm the first to admit it's not everybody's and anybody's business.

However the verse you quoted would give good reason to give alms through a reputable organization. That way you have no idea who is the beneficiary of your largesse.
---Cluny on 4/6/10


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Jesus Christ died for His church, why should any true Christian refuse to attend?---tommy7376

Yes, His church. Born-again believers. Jesus didn't die for a church building full of people doing business with church memberships, etc.

The Bible teaches that you GIVE IN SECRET. That means NO contribution envelope with your name on it. NO deduction on your tax return. Otherwise, it is NOT in secret. Just how many go to a local church that sticks with God's Word? Not even the Orthodox sticks with The Word.
---Gary on 4/5/10


tommy7376:

Yes, we are told not to forake assembling ourselves. However, there is a very wide spectrum with "going to church at every possible opportunity" at one end, and "being a total hermit" at the other end, and many other places inbetween. The verse you quoted is an exhortation, not a commandment. When it is changed into a commandment (for example "Thou shalt go to church on Sunday or be guilty of a sin"), this is placing people into bondage to man-made rules.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/10


Strongaxe, in Hebrews 10:25, we are instructed to "forsake not the assembling together..." Jesus Christ died for His church, why should any true Christian refuse to attend? The problem is that many "churches" today are offering only a "feel good" theology that doesn't threaten anyone by telling them how sinful and in need of a savior they are, and by this they have drawn many un-saved people into church membership. There are many on church rolls who have never had a relationship of any kind with Jesus Christ. They may know many facts about Jesus, but they have never surrendered their life to His authority.
---tommy7376 on 4/5/10


Then apparently "Let us not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some" is not in your Bible.---Cluny

That is NO WAY limits assembling in a modern-day business-like-run church building.

Jeremiah 10:21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.

Jeremiah 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jeremiah 22:22 The wind shall eat up all thy pastors..., etc.
---Gary on 4/5/10


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\\I say on the authority of God's word that the real Lord did NOT tell him that.
---Cluny on 4/4/10

And I say on the suthority of God's Word that The Lord DID tell him that.\\

Then apparently "Let us not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some" is not in your Bible.

All mima's friend is doing is telling the rest of the body, "I have no need of thee."

\\God is NOT happy with all the false doctrine being taught in His church.\\

Why do you think I'm Orthodox? It's where the TRUE doctrine is preached without fear or favor, and the worship is offered as is pleasing to God.
---Cluny on 4/5/10


I question the terminology of "God told me not to go to church." However, I do believe God does impress people to do things, such as, don't go to church. I would have more of a problem if the statement was, "don't fellowship with believers." I also believe God may give grace to some people to go to church and witness for Him. I am not mature enough to handle it.

However, not having gone to a church in quite a while, I went last Sunday, to a local "fundamental type church." My wife and I were the only ones in the whole congregation to open Bibles. It makes one feel odd to feel odd to open a Bible in church.
---Rod4Him on 4/5/10


I do understand your question. And a lot of Christians are mean and hateful. That is unfortunate. But that is not the norm. There are truly redeemed christians who have sweet and gentle spirits but they are not the norm,either. The wheat and tare will grow together but God will do the separating. In other words, just keep your eyes on Jesus. Continue to do right and godly things and soon Jesus will make His appearing, and set things in order. But it is tough when we look around and see so many wrong and evil things going on. Especially from the so-called Christians.We don't want to complain and gripe and then we become self-righteous. No one is perfect and without sin. We must dwell on that,too. There is a balance we(christians) must maintain.
---Robyn on 4/5/10


tommy7376:

"The Church Lady" was a character created by Dana Carvey on Saturday Night live. She was an unctuous and self-righteous hypocrite who was always spouting off about how holy and moral she was, and how everyone else was evil and corrupt, and being influence by Satan. In other words, she exhibited all of the worst characteristics that many so-called Chistians exhibit, with none of the redeeming qualities. Unfortunately, there are all too many Christians who exhibit many of these same characteristics. (After all, no stereotype exists without some kind of truth to base it on.)
---StrongAxe on 4/5/10


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Mean as in how? How do you define mean?

Why would any saved person want to go to a church where God doesn't show up?

Where they are so busy fellowshipping with one another, they forget that their fellowship is with God Himself?

The true Bride will smell carnality in a church and leave.

The true remmant of God will seek the Lord regarding His Bride and gather to celebrate Jesus and Worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth. Who is doing that today?
---Donna5535 on 4/5/10


Mima, I have to conclude as Cluny that the person you are talking about was not told by God to not go to Church. That kind of talk does not come from God when it concerns His Church. If it was a bad church, the Holy Spirit would guided Him to a good one where the real Truth is preached, but to not go to Church could not be coming from God. That decision had to come from him or someone else other then God.
---MarkV. on 4/5/10


I say on the authority of God's word that the real Lord did NOT tell him that.
---Cluny on 4/4/10

And I say on the suthority of God's Word that The Lord DID tell him that.

God is NOT happy with all the false doctrine being taught in His church. I do MUCH BETTER staying AWAY from local churches. I learn more, and grow in The Word more. I "have church" without going to a church.

Too much of what I was taught in local churches was not correct.
---Gary on 4/4/10


strongaxe, I haven't watched SNL since the 1980's and don't remember much about it. What does it really have to do with my comment anyway? The people who need fixing know that and the Gospel gives the answer. All of us need fixing in some way or other.
---tommy7376 on 4/4/10


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Mark V-

And such is the case with many. I know a friend who left Christianity due to the fact that she been to two churches (Pentecostals) and had problems with other Christians (she said they hurt her so bad that she decided to leave and never return). Now, she doesn't want to know about Christ or the Apostolic Faith. A experience can change a person's perspective on things.

I feel sad for StevenG though. I can only imagine what he felt when he was denied sheltered by those churches. It left him in such a state that he now believe all local churches are bad. But we shouldn't condemn him, but pray for him. He still has open wounds that need to be heal.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/4/10


Amen! Cluny.....Someone forgot to check the scriptures!
---KarenD on 4/5/10


The world is full of mean people. Some of them end up in church. Will you also drop out of the world to avoid the meanies?
---jerry6593 on 4/5/10


\\he said, I went to church for many years after I was saved and then one day the Lord told me," don't go to church but go be Church!"\\

I say on the authority of God's word that the real Lord did NOT tell him that.
---Cluny on 4/4/10


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I have a friend who has won many people to the Lord. This man hardly ever attends church and when I asked him why he said, I went to church for many years after I was saved and then one day the Lord told me," don't go to church but go be Church!" And he has been on the streets preaching ever since.
---mima on 4/4/10


Sometimes people think they are in a bad church when their needs are not met as they would like. I believe that is what happened to Steven G who constantly speaks against any visible Church. He was on the road and ask for help and he says n0 one helped him. So now he is out to destroy the unity of the Church no matter which one, only because of his experience.
Other times, they might have threatened the church with new doctrines they believe and were told they were wrong and not to teach them there so they get mad. Judge the church wrong because again by their experience.
The church is the gathering of saints and not everyone is one. So you will always have a problem, but that problem is only as big as you make it.
---MarkV. on 4/4/10


tommy7376:

Many people go to church because they believe they are "broken" and need to be "fixed". This is the Christian model (
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)). However, there are also many who go there because they believe their calling is to "fix" others, since they have such a gift for spotting how they are "broken" - after all, if you meet them, they talk about little else. (Dana Carvey's character "The Church Lady" from Saturday Night Live was a caricature of such people.)
---StrongAxe on 4/4/10


To whom to you preach (besides walls) at your church, catherine?

Is it full of mean people, too?
---Cluny on 4/4/10


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Not all churches are full of mean people.
---Eloy on 4/2/10


The "interesting" thing about this, you say the church is "full of mean people" well, just like when someone says the church is full of hypocrites, there is ALWAYS room for "one more." The people who are in churches, for the most part are there because they realize they need to be forgiven and "fixed." As Jesus told the Pharisees, "I have come for the sick, not the well, for the well have no need of a physician." Lest anyone want to argue, I understand that the churches are full of un-saved people. We should all realize that the church is not necessarily there for us to get something from, but to contribute to. Those of us who are saved are there for a specific reason, such as serving others.
---tommy7376 on 4/2/10


I have learned the best thing in life is learn to ignore what people say,and emphasize what they do.let God judge them when the time comes,and let God change them.
---tom2 on 4/2/10


It takes one to know one. First, I need to be real with God, so I can connect with His really Christian people. And whenever I find someone who is really mean, here is how Paul deals with unloving people, as our example of how to love: "And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls, though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15) But in my selfish and ungenuine nature, I am in darkness so I can't find who the really Jesus people are. And in darkness I can marry the wrong person and then let that person have power over me to hurt me and get me arguing, etc. But in God's love, we have light and discernment and His guiding about who to trust.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/1/10


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the comments about relationships shows the imaturity among so many so called believers. our God shows us how to be meek,Our God shows us how to love,Our God shows us all things,people will always be a pain,and at times almost impossible to live with,so where do you turn too? or better yet to whom?GOD thats who.
---tom2 on 4/2/10


Why? "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means, [Jesus] desires mercy, and not sacrifice."
Jesus did not come to call the righteous, but the sinner to repentance. He has shown His followers what is good, and what He requires of us. We are to "do justice, and to love [mercy and] kindness, and to walk humbly" with Him.
He would ask, How can anyone who judges another see the speck that is in ones brother's eye, but not notice the log of accusation and criticism that is in one's own eye?
It is for that judgmental one to first remove that log, then perhaps that one may see clearly enough to help his/her brother with whatever hinders them. We all fall short.
---Josef on 4/2/10


Most people who think like Jim wouldn't.
I've been to many churches of various denominations and never seen one full of "mean" people. Thoughtless, maybe. Unfriendly, often. Fallable and human, always. I go to church to meet the Lord, and learn from his word.

But if you feel the church is full of mean people, maybe you should have a long talk with the Lord. Let Him speak to your heart about why you feel this way.
---Donna66 on 4/1/10


With all my criticism of the local churches, I will say this. Of all the churches I have attended, I have yet to experience even one mean person, other than ONE pastor who loved to use the pulpit to attack those he didn't like.

In most every church I have attended, the people were very friendly and made me feel welcome on my first visit.

Now, IF they could just get rid of tithing and teach giving instead, I'd probably be back in church on Sundays.
---Gary on 4/1/10


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Catherine,We are all still-in flesh.
The flesh is weak.
Praise God for His mercy and grace.
Sit for a moment-In Christ-Let the Holy Spirit will comfort you.He will expose any pruning if needed-WE all need it-at times.Fellowship is good-He can guide you to a place of worship.
---char on 4/1/10


catherine, there's a saying that the Church is not a resort for saints, but a hospital for sinners.

The REAL question is why people who think they are saved want to avoid the assembly of the Body of Christ.

There's a Christian writer of the 3rd century who dealt with this very issue (doubtless there were people holding this notion back then) who said something like this: Do not miss the Synaxis (gathering) at the appointed times. Do not deprive the Body of Christ of His members. Do not rend, do not scatter His body.
---Cluny on 4/1/10


scripture tells us as believers not to forsake the gathering together of the brethern,to edify,and build each other up in the faith.
---tom2 on 4/1/10


There is no reason. Leave and leave right away.
---larry on 4/1/10


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I think I may have mis-read the question. I thought you said unsaved. The church is not a building but a people. There is a fellowship of believers God has connected me to. I gather together with them realizing that no matter how they act, they are a part of the body of Christ of which I am a part. Maturity comes as we hear the message of grace, the gospel. It is close-minded to believe that a baby Christian is supposed to always act like an adult one. Babies are needy, selfish a lot of times, messy (and don't care). God never said to just feed the sheep. He said the lambs also.
---Linda on 4/1/10


Why would a Christian want to go to a church full of Godly, loving, praising, singing, joyous people? That's what we have in our church. Oh, yeah, they don't always agree. But we are part of the FAMILY of God and there are no families that will always agree. But, we all agree on one thing. JESUS IS LORD AND GREATLY TO BE PRAISED!!!!! Those who you think are mean people are probably the ones who call you out for your off teachings and beliefs. If you are the same Catherine who says God called her out of church, that would be one false teaching.
---KarenD on 4/1/10


the problem with the church is it is full of academic, programmed, experts-in-quoting- the-bible believers.

christians say that self is a sin, it is wretched sinful & corrupt

RELATIONSHIP starts with 2 self ( 2 PERSONs) that shows trust, compassion, communication, authenticity.

the church does not teach what relationship is. it is quick to accuse, condemn & make sure you give your 10%. it talks that christianity is a RELATIONSHIP BUT DOES NOT KNOW HOW to create a relationship.
when you meet another believer, you are programmed like a machine to be 'nice, know your verses & obey without question' & not be open, honest & just being YOUR'SELF'.
---jim on 4/1/10


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