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Cliff, as a museum afficianado, having visited many in numerous countries I know that what is in the shop is what has been found, It doesn't include that which is yet to be found. Visit the amazing British Museum in London, where exhibits are regularly upgraded when new 'evidence' is found. A lack of evidence is not evidence of lack!

Having travelled extensively in Egypt I have seen my share of hieroglyphics, first hand!

As regards 24hr day please read numbers 7:1-48 where you will see 'the first day..the second day..the third day...'etc. Tell me if this refers to ordinary 24hr days and if so why?

Why does it matter what language Genesis was written in?
---Warwick on 4/5/10


H3117 Yom / day. A week may represent seven years in Daniel 9, but a week of seven days is still 168 hours. As elsewhere in the Bible, day used with an ordinal number (first through sixth), and the term evening and morning means a common day, Exodus 20:11, 31:12-17. Genesis 1:4-5 concerns the earths rotation, and the use of day with night, as elsewhere, means a regular day. Christians believe that God presented an accurate account of the event to Moses.
1st Cliff: My God directed the hand(s) of several authors to write the Bible, and He - himself preserved it, Matthew 24:35, John 16:13. Apparently, Your god was too feeble to do so. Psalm 75:4-5, Isaiah 48:3-4, Acts 7:51.
---Glenn on 4/5/10


Many of you use tools made by man to determine the age of the universe. And you deny the true power of God. Did God create the universe in six days. The bible says "yes." He put every atom in it's place so man could benefit from His creation at the start of the universe.

If you doubt that God has the ability to create the universe in six days then you doubt the miracles that Jesus performed.

How many millions of years would it take to turn water into wine? to bring sight to the blind? to bring a decayed body back to life?

And if you filled a basket of a couple of loaves of bread and several fish and set it upon your kitchen table, how many millions of years would it take for them to multiply to feed thousands?
---Steveng on 4/5/10


Gen 2:1
So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed.--NLT
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.--KJV
--God created the universe and everything in it in 6 days about 6000 years ago.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.
---MIchael on 4/5/10


I agree with warwick.so many christians live without applying Gods word to their lives.the result is you see so many questions which if you know God,you already know the answer,what amazes me is the variety in responses,like Gods word has an unending number of interputations,so people just pick the one that lines up with their mind,or better yet what sheds the best light on them,or justifies their actions,not what is actual truth
---tom2 on 4/5/10




David8318: "Even Moses, the writer of the Genesis creation account, wrote regarding God's creative activity at Psalm 90:4, 'For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday'. (KjV)"

That verse only says that God's time is not our time. It's only a simile.
---Steveng on 4/5/10


Alan do you imagine God could not write, or left Adam ignorant about days 1-6?

Adam was obviously created with the ability to speak-God given-not learned. Can you explain to me why God could not have also given Adam the ability to write? Scripture doesn't say God gave Adam the ability to walk, however He surely did!

Alan, you are being a little naughty now. You have previously said I deny beginning has more than one meaning. This is not the truth. Many words have numerous meanings and are understood from their context, exactly as I explained with 'day.'. God gave us the ability to understand both the spoken and the written word.
---Warwick on 4/5/10


Peter, most who argue against 6-24hr days of creation do so for nonBiblical reasons. Having accepted man-made long-ages beliefs they now attempt to reinterpret Scripture through this worldly belief.

The problem: long-ages beliefs (based upon multiple assumptions therefore not scientifically proveable) bring with them death before sin, and humans being the result of animal evolution, not divinely created from the earth in the image of God, as God says.

Death before sin undermines the gospel's historical foundation. See: Romans. Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22.

This is not a battle between brothers over minor points but a battle against those who reject God's word because of worldly antiBiblical ideas.
---Warwick on 4/5/10


Peter, my morning reading reminded me of something very important, and relevant to your comment.

Jude 18,19 "...In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires. These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit."

It is those who scoff against the truth of God's word who divide, not those who defend the truth of God's word. There are many scoffers here.
---Warwick on 4/5/10


Michael,
How do you interpret the heavens and earth were finished?
Is that a true statement?
---earl on 4/5/10




Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
1Kin 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
God created the universe and everything in it in 6 days about 6000 years ago.
There is no such thing as time in the spiritual realm. I could try to explain my unerstanding of it, but those who will not believe won't change their minds, not to mention the 125 word limit. Let's just say God sees Adam eating the fruit and Jesus being resurrected as if it was today. Time, therefore, is part of His inifinite knowledge.
---MIchael on 4/5/10


"In the beginning was the Word," (in John 1:1) and the Word is God's Son Jesus. And, "All things were made through Him and for Him." (in Colossians 1:16) Before creation of this universe, our Father and Jesus had such beautifully wonderful love sharing, together. God was so pleased with Jesus that He decided He to make this universe as His place for producing and bringing up children who are pleasing to Him like His Son.

"He could not eat just one peanut (c: "

Then was when in His *heart* He made the universe, when such love for His Son moved Him to create all. And then, out of the abundance of His love for Jesus He created so marvelously, as His expression of His love for His Son.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/5/10


Warwick, though I agree with you about the 24 hours, I know that often in my mind, that (24 hours part) does fall out, leaving me with the idea of 'six periods'. I know it's not nearly as good, but perhaps we could avoid so many complaints about it. To everyone, do we HAVE to have so many arguments about the exact time? If it causes people to doubt the fact that God created everything, then it may be better to start arguing that God certainly did create everything, not the exact time frame
---peter3594 on 4/5/10


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Joh 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Ps
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
---TheSeg on 4/5/10


Warwick, Come see for yourself,in our museum are cuniform tablets and Egyptian Hieroglyphics, Hard "evidence" of the earliest "writing"
What "evidence" do you have that pre-flood people could read and write??? Nada, zippo, nill!
** Day is 24hrs. when paired with a number**
Now you're into "gramatical structure" of a language that you can only speculate was originally spoken "in the beginning!" You have to admit I'm right here!
Gen1.1. "In the beginning..." God spoke "Hebrew" here,right? Evidence???
---1st_cliff on 4/5/10


No one knows. We have a narrative that tells us about the creation of the earth but very little about creation before there was TIME. We don't know when the heavens was created or the angels.
We are not sure how long the earth was without form.
We are limited by our constant reference to time which is the measure for all of creation but of no utility to the creator.
---larry on 4/4/10


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Josef 4/4: Based on your response, you are teaching that God made the Universe before He created it - an impossibility. And that He did it at first thought, rather than when He spoke it into being. Therefore, you believe that God is not limitless, and you have doubts as to his character, Romans 1:18-23. Hebrews 11:3 (Genesis 1:1) disproves your point: ..."things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." In its 15 uses, Katartizo only means to mend in Matthew 4:21, Mark 1:19, Galatians 6:1, but here means to perfectly fit the universe together. Psalm 104:29 is antithetic to 30, and describes the cycle of life, specifically that which has breath, not Genesis 1:1. You improperly exegete Genesis 1:6 and 9:15.
---Glenn on 4/4/10


"God created the universe in 6 days about 6,000 years ago." Mike, 4/4

So, you believe God created the heaven(s) & earth (according to you that would the universe), the heavenly host (angels) & then Lucifer/Satan & 1/3 of the angels were thrown out of heaven 6,000 years ago?
---Leon on 4/4/10


Warwick ... "Cliff, you cannot say writing did not exist from day one"

Who was writing, and on what, on Day 1?
Or on day 2?

"'day' has three meanings" ... and you denied that the word 'beginning' has more than one meaning!

---alan8566_of_uk on 4/5/10


God created the Heavens & the Earth in 6 days of creation. Not in 144 hours, but in 6 specific periods of time. Rather much as we'd say 'in my Grandfather's day'.

Even Moses, the writer of the Genesis creation account, wrote regarding God's creative activity at Psalm 90:4, 'For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday'. (KjV)

The 7th day is still running. No where does the Bible say God's 7th day of rest has ended. Although it will at the conclusion of Christ's 1000yr reign (as 'Lord of the Sabbath'). The apostle Paul said the 7th day was still running in his day, some 4000 years after it began. Heb.4:4,5,9.

Moses, Apostle's Paul and Peter did not believe a day with God was 24 earth hours.
---David8318 on 4/5/10


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Cliff, you cannot say writing did not exist from day one.

'day' has three meanings:

1) 'When' Genesis 2:4 "When the Lord God made the earth...."
2) Day, as in daylight "I spent all day fishing."
3) Always 24 hours when paired with a number e.g. Exodus 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God."

It continues:

"For (because) in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

God created in 6 24hr days!
---Warwick on 4/4/10


God created the universe in 6 days about 6000 years ago.
---MIchael on 4/4/10


Tom2 4/4: To doubt God's word is to doubt God. Lately, there has been an epidemic of >it's not important< on these blogs. The cure - only God's opinion counts, and He thought it important enough to include it in the Word. Also, the Bible is written in such a way that you must understand the first part of a particular book in order to properly understand that which follows. And even more so, to mistake the clear teaching of the beginning of both the Old and New Testaments will cause one to err.
Leon: Matter was created once. If as you say "I agree with Josef's statement", you plainly disagree with God's statement. Also, movement is not, in and of itself, an act of creation.

---Glenn on 4/4/10


Warwick, The earliest "evidence" of writing was cuniform on clay tablets, (not a gramatically structured language) this is clear "evidence" you have only "speculation"
You call it "bible truth?"
"for in 6 days God made heaven and earth".." Gen#1, Ex.20.. Scripture does not "say" 24hr.days or earth rotations,same conjecture..6 days= 6 periods of time, no deceit, "in the "DAY"(singular) God made heaven and earth Gen.2.4.KJV. NIV leaves out "day" and also "mist".
Is it really as "clear cut" as you insist??? Very dogmatic!
Are scientists really as dumb as you claim??
---1st_cliff on 4/4/10


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I am saying you cannot measure light. You can only measure reflected light.
Just like when you look in a mirror, you dont see yourself, you see the light being reflected off of you.
So, again I say no one can measure light, you can only measure reflected light.
A copy not the original! Even this, should tell you something! But, I am sure all it tell you is, Im stupid!
And I agree! ,)
---TheSeg on 4/4/10


Mike: Estimated?! Nothing personal, but I'm not interested in your estimations (guesses). :)

"The universe is in motion, being already made...by God." Mike, 4/4

I agree with Josef's statement, "...the universe was in place before the world was framed..." That is to say, before the Genesis 1 "beginning". What do you believe?
---Leon on 4/4/10


Seg,FYI Olaf Roemer in 1676 first measured the speed of light using equipment they had then and came close to today's scientists measurment using a laser interferometer.
They can send men to outer space and to the moon ,yet can't measure the speed of light?? Do you live in a cave Seg?

Glen,"God used men to write the bible"...therein lies the problem!
---1st_cliff on 4/4/10


"When did the universe begin?"
When the Father determined space and matter, decreed their orderly arrangement and the sphere or realm in which that arrangement would take place.
The only comment I can make with certainty is that the universe was in place before this current world was 'framed-Heb.11:3' (Strong's 2675 Katartizo-repaired, adjusted, restored) or the earth would not have had a place, nor would there have been a place for the sun, moon or stars.
Psa. 104:30 "You send forth Your Spirit, they [Heaven and Earth] are created (Gen. 1:1). And You 'renew' (restore, and repair) the 'face' (surface) of the earth (Gen. 1:6). The only things destroyed in the flood of Noah was all flesh. (Gen9:15)
---Josef on 4/4/10


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estimated 1.0 x 10^23 observable stars
estimated 1.4 x 10^9 years age of universe(secular)
That means, in the observable universe, 7.1 x 10^13 stars were formed every year on average. 3.16 x 10^7 seconds in a year gives us about 2 million stars being made a second, yet no stars have ever been observed being formed in the observable universe.
The universe is in motion, being already made by the infinite mind of God.
The universe would eventually lose all it's energy and come to a stop except that Christ will come for His own well before that happens.
---MIchael on 4/4/10


Michael: Genesis says God created the heaven(s) & earth in 6 days, & then He rested. Apparently you believe that means the entire universe? Well, if God so desired to do so I'm sure He could've done exactly that. But, how do you explain the fact that the universe is yet (still) being created? That is to say, it's ever expanding.
---Leon on 4/4/10


I dont know,and care even less.I do care that life for me began about about the age of 23,when I meet jesus.
---tom2 on 4/4/10


Cliff I am quite happy to believe that as man was created 'very good' they were more intelligent than we fallen not 'very good' people today. They were created able to speak and there is no logical reason to believe they were not able to write. Remember they are not some evolving creatures, but man, created in the image of God.

We have been through this before and you were unable to give any proof (as opposed to opinion) that man could not write from day one.

No Cliff if God did not create in 6 earth -rotation days, as He clearly says in Genesis 1, Exodus 20:8-11, and elsewhere, then He has deceived us. But He does not decieve, only giving us absolute Truth.

I can be, confident of this because this is God's word.
---Warwick on 4/4/10


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God created the universe in 6 days about 6000 years ago.
---MIchael on 4/3/10


Job 38:1-41:34. 38:4-5, "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?" 21, "Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?". 40:2, "Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it." Psalm 33:6, John 1:1-5, Hebrews 1:1-2, 4:12-13, 1Peter 1:25.
Ger.toshav 4/2: Matthew 21:42-44, 1Peter 2:6-8.
1st Cliff 4/3: God used men to write the Bible.
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---Glenn on 4/3/10


When did they measure the light coming from the sun?
Please give me his name.

Or are you talking about some other experiment on earth?
From which we got 299 792 458 m / s
So, we say 93,000,000 miles/186,000 miles/sec or 500 seconds
Or 8.333 minutes
We think!
Is this not so!

You seem on point!
Is it not reflected light we measure?
You tell me, who is reflecting it?

Man, ha!
---TheSeg on 4/3/10


Michael: Is Genesis 1 talking about the creation of the universe or our solar system?
---Leon on 4/3/10


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to the nearest hunred years, the universe was created in 6 days about 6000 years ago.:Gen 1
about 5100 years ago-Adam died:Gen 5:5,Lamech was born:Gen 5:25
about 4300 years ago-Methuselah died:Gen 5:27, the flood:Gen 7:6
about 39-4100 years ago-Tower of Babel
From here you can follow civilization records which correspond with Genesis accounts. Take carefull heed of their flawed carbon-dating prescribed chronology though.
---MIchael on 4/3/10


We know for a fact that the sun has dissappeared from the horizen 8 minutes before we see it set! travelling at 186,300 mi.per sec. sunlight takes that long to reach earth!
That is proven "measurable" then so also distant stars..."elementry my dear Watson!"
It aint no no illusion!
---1st_cliff on 4/3/10


Jerry ... I notice that you did not answer any of my questions!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/3/10


Steveng seems to think God created the universe in 6 days. (Reference God Created Heaven & Earth blog, 4/1) What do you bloggers believe?
---Leon on 4/3/10


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Warwick, God deceitful?? Never, The problem is not with Him, but man's concept and interpretation!
Think about it..Gen #1 Happened 6, thousand years ago based on "oral" passing down of information 'till writing was established(some 1,500 yrs.) Your argument is based on "gramatical structure" of language. No such thing had been established at that time. How can you be "dogmatic" on this issue??
Your guess is an "opinion" an assumtion!
It cannot even be established that "Hebrew" was the language of that day!
---1st_cliff on 4/3/10


Alan: "God makes it seem as if the light has been travelling for those billions of years"

What billions of years? The estimate of billions of lightyear distance is based on the false assumption that the Hubble "constant" relates astronomical distance to doppler redshift. This "constant" also gives galaxy recession rates of 8X light speed for certain quasars. Do you buy that as well? Proven gravatational redshifting could explain the data without the need of a Big Bang or billions of years.

God made it seem as if Adam was a grown man on the day he was born. Do you have a problem with that?
---jerry6593 on 4/3/10


Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds(yes it says worlds) were framed by the word of God,so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Given this verse from the Bible I would say no one can read the earth,heavens,or universe or age of them since what is seen wasn't made of things which do appear. All the theories about the universe are worthless except the truth of the matter given to us by God through the Bible,his word. That means there is no scientific method which can give anything correctly because whats in the earth and universe is not what it came from,into existence. God never needed any preexisting substance to make anything since his word created the Heavens and the earth.
---Darlene_1 on 4/3/10


Warwick & Jerry

How far away are those stars
How fast does light travel
How long ago did the light leave those stars

God makes it seem as if the light has been travelling for those billions of years ... it that to test us?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/3/10


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Easy! In the beginning!
It says so in Gen 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
OK!

Now, if youre really thinking about, how old it is.
This will depend on whether you believe God can do anything.
Can he move faster than the speed of light?
Can he make a rock older than it is?
Can he make a man out of dirt? (Only because this is what I am)

Some people say why would God try to fool us?
Seems to me God is saying, I did this and you dont believe I did.
Kind of like what, Christ is saying, I did this and you dont believe I did.

Where am I going with this? To the end!
---TheSeg on 4/3/10


Alan: "Maybe .... God has given us information to make us beleive that they are!"

Oh how I wish you would question science at least as much as you do the Bible. The "information" that you cite is the result of several assumptions and unproven theories combined to fit the paradigm of atheistic scientists. But, not all scientists are atheists. The 13B lightyear universe (or whatever the current number is) requires several assumptions: (1) a Hubble "constant" which (2) assumes doppler redshifting only (neglects gravitational), (3) an expanding (and accelerating) Big Bang universe, (4) constant speed of light, etc. All of these assumptions/theories have serious flaws and evidences against them.
---jerry6593 on 4/3/10


Thanks glenn. I agree with you.
My point in those questions was, if we don't take God at His word, the questions are never ending with no real answers, but thanks for the reply.
---MIchael on 4/2/10


Glenn, the ontological argument seems like circular reasoning. It wouldn't convince an atheist. It's preaching to the choir. There is hardly any metaphysical speculation in the Bible. Maybe that's a clue that we shouldn't spend too much time on it. My thought anyway...
---ger.toshav on 4/2/10


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Alan in theoretical science information is based upon assumptions. It isn't like empirical science which is not speculative but the result of testing and retesting.

You may be interested to read Dr John Hartnett's book 'Starlight, Time and the New Physics.' Using the same information, but different starting assumptions than the long-agers/evolutionists, he shows how light from distant stars can all fit in with the Biblical time frame. Google 'Biography Dr John Hartnett' and see that he has the necessary qualifications for writing such a book.
---Warwick on 4/3/10


God has made the universe to confound the intelligent people,aka scientists.revealing himself through faith,not through science.you cant scientifically prove there is a God,and thats the way he wants it,so he made everything in a way to confound the worldly people.
---tom2 on 4/3/10


let me put it this way,an ant living in my backyard,has no real concept of how far it is to uranus,or even better yet a microbe.the distances between galaxies is vast and growing.so when did time start,when we became aware of it?time doesn,t exist for God,neither does distance,or the speed of light,who cares when God made everything? not me.there are far more important issues then the question when,when this,when that,when,when,when,
---tom2 on 4/3/10


who are we to say when it began?and really of what importance is it?did jesus teach about it?I mean dates?so if the son of God never taught it is it important?to science maybe,or believers who are lost in the world,or the lost who believe the universe is a self creating reality without a creator.so as believers whats important?dates,and processes that God used to make creation?or the souls of the lost?or the condition of your own relationship with the creator?
---tom2 on 4/3/10


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the world believes that life ends at death,we believe that there is no life without jesus,without the father.so just how can we as believers relate with those who believe that the universe created itself?or that life is not a sum of what you know or accomplish,but rather who you serve and love.life is not how many facts you know,but who you know and follow.Of what importance is knowing how anything was made?God says that from things unseen were all things made,and by jesus,and nothing was made without him.personally iam not gonna get involved with discussions about when God made ,or created the universe,why? bvecause it has no importance what so ever.
---tom2 on 4/3/10


Tom2 ... That does not really give an answer!

If 6000 years ago, God placed those stars & galaxies 13 billion light years away, the light would not yet have reached us.

Maybe they are not that far away, yet God has given us information to make us beleive that they are!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/2/10


When God made it. We donot know the exact time period.
---candice on 4/2/10


I think this blog has the hiccups!
---1st_cliff on 4/2/10


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Ger.toshav: An ontological argument based on God's word is very helpful.
1st Cliff: The length of a 24 hour day was addressed at the "Days In The Creation", "First Three Days Of Creation", "Six Days To Make The World, "The Creation Day", "Was All Life Created In A Week" blogs.
Michael: Time is something God invented for our benefit, and was started at the first point of creation. God is absolute, eternal, holy, immutable, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnitemporal, perfect, and complete in and of Himself. The only present first person testimony of creation is Gods' (and perhaps the Angels), and can be read about in Genesis. Psalm 90:2, Acts 27:25, Revelations 22:13.
---Glenn on 4/2/10


Cliff why did God define what a day is in Genesis 1:3-5, then say He created in 6 of these same loght and dark, day and night, earth-rotation days, then confirm their length in Exodus 20:8-11, if He did not mean 6 earth-rotation 24hr days?

If He didn't really mean 24hr, earth-rotation days, wouldn't that be deceitful of God?

'Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."' John 2:19. If you are correct then we cannot know what Jesus meant. Three days, three decades, three billion years? It is obvious from the Jews reply that they knew what Jesus meant by three days. But how?
---Warwick on 4/2/10


funny,to say the universe is 13 billion years old because light takes that long to get to us ,or any number is ridiculous,all that means is God put stars,or galaxies 13 billion light years away from earth.
---tom2 on 4/2/10


So....what happened 14 billion years ago?
What happened 1 trillion years ago?
When did time start? How do we measure time?
Is time being a constant really a fact?
What determines how old something is? witnesses? records?
If we have 5000 years of recorded history an the universe is 13.7 billion years old, how would we know?
Are there really accurate tests out there to determine age without assuming certain varaibles?
---MIchael on 4/2/10


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funny,to say the universe is 13 billion years old because light takes that long to get to us ,or any number is ridiculous,all that means is God put stars,or galaxies 13 billion light years away from earth.
---tom2 on 4/2/10


So....what happened 14 billion years ago?
What happened 1 trillion years ago?
When did time start? How do we measure time?
Is time being a constant really a fact?
What determines how old something is? witnesses? records?
If we have 5000 years of recorded history an the universe is 13.7 billion years old, how would we know?
Are there really accurate tests out there to determine age without assuming certain varaibles?
---MIchael on 4/2/10


Leon, I am participating. I just won't say a time because I don't know a time. Be nice. God bless! :-)
---ger.toshav on 4/2/10


Leon, I am participating. I just won't say a time because I don't know a time. Be nice. God bless! :-)
---ger.toshav on 4/2/10


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So....what happened 14 billion years ago?
What happened 1 trillion years ago?
When did time start? How do we measure time?
Is time being a constant really a fact?
What determines how old something is? witnesses? records?
If we have 5000 years of recorded history an the universe is 13.7 billion years old, how would we know?
Are there really accurate tests out there to determine age without assuming certain varaibles?
---MIchael on 4/2/10


Leon, I am participating. I just won't say a time because I don't know a time. Be nice. God bless! :-)
---ger.toshav on 4/2/10


Jerry, To continue from the last blog.."Let God tell us in His own "handwriting???"
That's a first!
Ex.20 "for in 6 days God created heaven and earth and all things therein"
I have no issue with this scripture when put in proper context' "for in six periods of time God created..." Used 6, 24hr.week days to demomstrate the 6 periods of days of creation, for all the world to witness!
Why some try to squeeze these periods of time into 24hr (days)throws science,logic,wisdom and common sense out the window!
Why imagine that the creation days have to match week days second for second?
---1st_cliff on 4/2/10


Jerry, To continue from the last blog.."Let God tell us in His own "handwriting???"
That's a first!
Ex.20 "for in 6 days God created heaven and earth and all things therein"
I have no issue with this scripture when put in proper context' "for in six periods of time God created..." Used 6, 24hr.week days to demomstrate the 6 periods of days of creation, for all the world to witness!
Why some try to squeeze these periods of time into 24hr (days)throws science,logic,wisdom and common sense out the window!
Why imagine that the creation days have to match week days second for second?
---1st_cliff on 4/2/10


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Archbishop James Ussher put creation at 4004 BC. The Jewish calendar says 3760 B.C. was the year. Interesting theories: the earth once had a concentric orbit of 360 days, light is slowing down, and those concerning radioactive decay, tree rings, and ice layers. Genesis 1:1-2:3 says six days. I would have to take Gods' word on this. Numbers 23:19, 1Samuel 15:29, Ecclesiastes 3:14, Malachi 3:6. Also, Matthew 28:18, John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:8.
---Glenn on 4/2/10


Archbishop James Ussher put creation at 4004 BC. The Jewish calendar says 3760 B.C. was the year. Interesting theories: the earth once had a concentric orbit of 360 days, light is slowing down, and those concerning radioactive decay, tree rings, and ice layers. Genesis 1:1-2:3 says six days. I would have to take Gods' word on this. Numbers 23:19, 1Samuel 15:29, Ecclesiastes 3:14, Malachi 3:6. Also, Matthew 28:18, John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:8.
---Glenn on 4/2/10


The universe began immediately after it last ended...
---atheist on 4/2/10


Age of the Universe according to NASA 13.7 Billion years plus or minus 0.13 billon years!
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/2/10


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ger.tosghav: If you don't want to participate in the discussion, just say so. :)
---Leon on 4/2/10


Good poing, ger.toshav. I was thinking the same thing myself.
---Cluny on 4/2/10


I think the most we can say is that the universe began in the beginning. Metaphysical speculation may be fun, but it accomplishes little...
---ger.toshav on 4/2/10


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