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Catholics and Christians could be happily married, the question becomes how will they raise children? Teach Catholic tradition or only Christian principles? Catholics are required to raise their children Catholic, will this divide the home on certain issues?

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Cluny, do you believe it is possible for people for follow the instruction found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19 along with following the example found in Acts 17:11, and not be part of a Denomination or Organized Religion?
---Rob on 6/1/10


\\Cluny: you may not BE a member of a denomination church, but your way of thinking must come mostly from either one denomination, or from a mixture of many
---peter3594 on 5/31/10\\

And you actually think that YOUR doctrine is not just as much denominational in its way as what you accuse me of holding?
---Cluny on 6/1/10


Revelations 17:5,And upon her forehead was a
name written,Mystery,Babylon the Great,The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.
---LionofJudah on 6/1/10


Mark V, it is sad many people practice RELIGOUS TRADITIONS, but they have no clue as how they started or where they came from.

There also are things happening in some Churches that Christ Himself rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees for doing.
---Rob on 5/31/10


\\True Christians don't need to make the sign of the
cross when going into the church building.\\

Did you know that Protestants in Russia make the Sign of the Cross? Orthodox style, I might add.

And where do you think that they got the idea of church buildings to start with?
---Cluny on 5/31/10




Cluny: you may not BE a member of a denomination church, but your way of thinking must come mostly from either one denomination, or from a mixture of many
---peter3594 on 5/31/10


Rob, you are correct. Many denominations are still holding to RCC traditions. They went away from them and now have gone back. You cannot find one denomination that is completely different anymore. Within every denomination there are those who separate from the rest and go back to the old traditions they knew from the RCC. Works salvation. They go through different catechisms to qualify to enter the kingdom of God. They use the James verses of faith without works, making works the base for their salvation, not faith, as their excuse just like the RCC. The same as all other denominational cults, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, Buddah. Works to enter heaven.
---MarkV. on 5/31/10


\\But the same thing happens in Denominational Churches like Baptist, Methodist, Lutherans, \\

That's why I'm not a member of a denominational Church.

\\True Christians don't need to light candles to any statues\\

Neither do Catholics.

\\True Christians don't need to make the sign of the
cross when going into the church building.\\

True Christians don't have to take off their hats when the flag passes, either. Otherwise they are worshipping the flag.

\\I used to be a Catholic
until the truth(Jesus)set me free.\\

I used to be a Baptist until the truth (Jesus) set me free.
---Cluny on 5/30/10


LionofJudah, I agree with you 100%. But the same thing happens in Denominational Churches like Baptist, Methodist, Lutherans, ETC which hold onto some traditions which came from the Catholics. The Apostle Paul himself addressed these things in 1 Corinthians 1:10-17.

I believe Christians should only call themselves Christians, and not some name of a Denomination.
---Rob on 5/30/10


Welcome back exz with your anti Catholic vitriol
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/30/10




Catholics are Christians in name only.True Christians don't need to light candles to any statues or confess to a priest.True Christians don't need to make the sign of the
cross when going into the church building.There is no need to have a mass to bring a loved one out of purgutory,since there is no purgutory.I used to be a Catholic
until the truth(Jesus)set me free.
---LionofJudah on 5/29/10


\\I have met SOME Catholics who simply go by their 'traditions' and probably you have simply seen those\\

The same can be said for Protestants. I see many of them here.

BTW--those words were not from Reuben, but from Rhonda. I admit it's easy to lose track of who said what on these blogs.
---Cluny on 5/28/10


Ruben: you commented that 'catholics are christians by their own lying mouths'

Here I beg to differ (I am not catholic)

I have met SOME Catholics who simply go by their 'traditions' and probably you have simply seen those

However, there are also a significant number of catholic who know that they are saved by Christ's death, and only by that, realise that Baptism is as stated in the Nicene creed, but ONLY for those who first accept that they must repent, and are sealed by baptism

I think you have simply been in contact with Catholics who have deviated, and that does not apply to all catholics
---peter3594 on 5/28/10


Ruben from San Antonio, you need freedom. Free from the slavery you are in. Your Church has gone the way of Idolatry. The first sign of a Church going bad is when it begins to worship Idols and excuses it. Even to remove the Second Commandment. The removal of Christ as Lord was the biggest mistake. In His prayer Jesus is praying specifically for those who have come to believe in Him through the apostolic message, since that message was not accepted, there can be no conversions to Jesus through church traditions. The doctrines of the RCC regarding Mass, purgatory, indulgences, baptismal regeneration, undermine the one sacrifice of Jesus that forever secured the remission of sins? Ruben, Jesus is Lord and no one can replace Him.
---MarkV. on 5/28/10


\\Non-catholics Christians like Rhonda here do in fact have thier own belief system call "sola scriptura'\\

Reuben, the real question here is is Rhonda a Christian.

I can't help wondering if she knows what the Roman Catholic Church actually teaches, or if she just thinks that she knows.

Probably the latter.
---Cluny on 5/28/10


MarkV.* Ruben, I have to agree with Rhonda on her answer. I hardly agree with her but on her answer I do agree.

How do you determine she right on this issue but wrong on others..


MarkV.* It"s a good thing we don't all agree, you see some of us have it right and others don't.

Again , who determine that? On many occasion they say you are wrong! So how is that a good thing?

MarkV.* At least on our side we have freedom to find out for ourselves through the help of the Holy Spirit.

Then you guys have a confuse Holy Spirit, both sides claiming to be guided by the Holy spirit and each saying that they are right!
---Ruben on 5/27/10


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Ruben, I have to agree with Rhonda on her answer. I hardly agree with her but on her answer I do agree.
You said,
"Non-catholics Christians like Rhonda here do in fact have thier own belief system call "sola scriptura'.They are just blind to realize it. And as you know even those who are sola scriptura cannot even agree among themselfs, why would you want to raise your children in that system...."
It"s a good thing we don't all agree, you see some of us have it right and others don't. In your case you are taught traditions of man and most everyone is wrong. At least on our side we have freedom to find out for ourselves through the help of the Holy Spirit.
You do not need the Holy Spirit, you need the RCC.
---MarkV. on 5/27/10


catholics are christians by their own lying mouths - idolatry and fables they live by are ACTIONS they serve due to brainwashing of their system and ITS beliefs

this is WHY catholics are required to "raise" children catholic to KEEP them in their system

notice Gods Word requires no such thing
---Rhonda on 5/26/10

Non-catholics Christians like Rhonda here do in fact have thier own belief system call "sola scriptura'.They are just blind to realize it. And as you know even those who are sola scriptura cannot even agree among themselfs, why would you want to raise your children in that system....
---Ruben on 5/26/10


born christian and raised to carry my religion practices. All religion has one value and one value only
*****

NOBODY is born "christian" no matter how many lies one tells claiming they were

ALL are born to human race our ACTIONS determine if we live by Holy Word of God

christian RELIGION may have values given by man to believe in whatever doctrines that religious entity has established ...

catholics are christians by their own lying mouths - idolatry and fables they live by are ACTIONS they serve due to brainwashing of their system and ITS beliefs

this is WHY catholics are required to "raise" children catholic to KEEP them in their system

notice Gods Word requires no such thing
---Rhonda on 5/26/10


Look if you all believe in one God one Jesus then so be it. What is up about the religion talk. I was born christian and raised to carry
my religion practices. All religion has one value and one value only. That we all believe in one God, The Father, The Almighty.

The words of God through his ten commandments is what we are suppose to believe in and live by. Never mind the religions and their faith.
Our faith and belief is to God the father. We talk about history of religion. Why we are suppose to be moving forward, enforcing the commandments of God with us and walking with Jesus. Peace out and peace be to you all.
---danie4693 on 5/25/10


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BTW, mima, I realize that neither you nor the college professor have axes to grind or biases to justify.

And since I'm NOT a Roman Catholic, I do not, either.
---Cluny on 5/21/10


\\The Spanish army and the Padres raped our country. The invaders stole our gold, married our beautiful women, and religiously placed us in bondage.

Monk that was what the college professor said, I wonder if you know more about Mexico than this man did, by the way he was teaching "History of the Conquistadors".
---mima on 5/21/10
\\

I know more than you do, mima.

Did he mention that until the Catholic Spaniards came, they Aztecs were engaged in human sacrifice as part of the religion of demons to which they were in bondage?

Did he mention it was a Catholic priest named Hidalgo who started the Mexican Revolution?

For the other side of the story, read BLOOD-DRENCHED ALTARS.
---Cluny on 5/21/10


When I was attending college in Monterrey Mexico one of the professors said the following--
The Spanish army and the Padres raped our country. The invaders stole our gold, married our beautiful women, and religiously placed us in bondage.

Monk that was what the college professor said, I wonder if you know more about Mexico than this man did, by the way he was teaching "History of the Conquistadors".
---mima on 5/21/10


\\I cannot deny that the Catholic Church raped the country of Mexico.\\

I can.

If establishing schools, hospitals, and similar institutions is your definition of "rape", then yes, the Catholic Church raped Mexico.

Of course, there was no such country as Mexico until the Catholic Spaniards went there.
---Cluny on 5/21/10


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Idolaters are not Christians: "Be you all not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness? And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you all are the temple of the living God. Wherefore come out from among them, and be you all separate, says the Lord." II Corinthians 6:14-17.
---Eloy on 5/21/10


mima* Even as a student in grade school I realized that the Catholic Church is a cause of division.

Jesus Christ himself said he came to bring division (Matthew 10:34-39)

mima *The Catholic Church is not only not Christian but also fails to recognize members of any other church as being Christian.

Show me Documents!

mima* From China to Mexico I have been told that the reason people do not accept Christ is because the Roman Catholic Church calls itself Christian.

That's funny, from China to Mexico there is a whole lots of Catholic's

mima*I cannot deny that the Catholic Church raped the country of Mexico.

And I cannot deny that you are a very Anti-Catholic person!
---Ruben on 5/19/10


I cannot deny that the Catholic Church was involved in the Crusades all while calling itself a Christian Church.
From purgatory to the Inquisition the Roman Catholic Church is guilty of harming mankind's way to salvation!!!
---mima on 5/19/10

Mima,

Don't you make a yearly trip to Mexico and pass though San Antonio! Let me know when you do and take a rest in San Antonio for a couple of hours. Love to talk to you about purgatory, Ingusition and the Cruades and anything Catholic!
---Ruben on 5/19/10


I enjoy my Catholic education in retrospect, however at the time, I could see great conflict between Catholic traditions and Christian values. Quite honestly, it was our tradition to try to 'attract' as Catholic skirts as we could. In hindsight,I can see how that is a problem.
---aka_joseph on 5/19/10


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Even as a student in grade school I realized that the Catholic Church is a cause of division. The Catholic Church is not only not Christian but also fails to recognize members of any other church as being Christian.
From China to Mexico I have been told that the reason people do not accept Christ is because the Roman Catholic Church calls itself Christian. I cannot deny that the Catholic Church raped the country of Mexico.
I cannot deny that the Catholic Church was involved in the Crusades all while calling itself a Christian Church.
From purgatory to the Inquisition the Roman Catholic Church is guilty of harming mankind's way to salvation!!!
---mima on 5/19/10


cluny-Praise God-
One thing for certain...
Being a child of God means-we are children of God-

Blessings brother.
---char on 4/10/10


\\Let the Holy Spirit-Teach.
Give them their own bible to read.
Make sure they read it.
Make sure they know the of the name of Jesus Christ.
Have them attend both catholic and christian services\\

Aside from the fact that Catholic services ARE Christian services....

When I read the Bible for myself, I stopped being a Baptist.
---Cluny on 4/9/10


Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
Mar 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
---TheSeg on 4/8/10


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Let the Holy Spirit-Teach.
Give them their own bible to read.
Make sure they read it.
Make sure they know the of the name of Jesus Christ.
Have them attend both catholic and christian services.
Trust the Holy Spirit-He will compare-He will guide-He will Teach.
The choice eventually will be theirs.
Pray.
---char on 4/7/10


In case you didn't know, John II, BTW and other acronyms are usually capitalized in English.

||After all, don't I know you! I, therefore, did assume that you were Catholic.||

You clearly, do NOT know me. So you see your assumption about me is incorrect.

BTW--you know what they say about what you do to yourself when you assume.

As far as acerbic, I'll let others look at your post and judge for themselves.
---Cluny on 4/7/10


Cluny: my first post gave no exceptions, so why did you try to make one? Provocation? Antagonism? After all, don't I know you! I, therefore, did assume that you were Catholic. Why do you shout 'BTW' as though it were incidental to your composition when you had every intention of delivering 'I'm Orthodox' with vehemence? Be mindful that you're following me, not I you, with the trepidation of gauging out fault. Isn't that what the religious know-it-alls did with Jesus? I have known acerbity more than you, but is this Jesus? I cautioned you before over your spite, but you haven't changed because you're holed in creed, dogma and the trumping of other denominations. I'm one of those peculiar folk who simply says he's a Christian. Shocking!
---John_II on 4/7/10


\\You can add tradition to that also. Isn't it better, Cluny, to seek out truth rather than seek to 'even the score' with non-Catholic Christians who refuse to accept that which takes their fixation off Jesus?\\

What authority do you have for the books you claim to have in the Bible other than tradition?

Do you think a list of them dropped down out of the sky?

BTW--I'm Orthodox, so we are considered "non-Catholic" Christians, too. Or did you think it's just Protestant and Catholic?

You actually think you're fixated on Jesus?

As for why I read some posts, it's because they have the same horrid fascination as a train wreck.
---Cluny on 4/7/10


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Cluny: You say that you have never gotten any evangelistic reward from my posts, but you are reading them, so you may have read a previous post that remarked: it's the creed and dogma of any church that prevents a Christian from knowing Christ better. You can add tradition to that also. Isn't it better, Cluny, to seek out truth rather than seek to 'even the score' with non-Catholic Christians who refuse to accept that which takes their fixation off Jesus? And, tell me, do you think it prudent in my advising them to focus on Jesus in teaching their children, and reserve the contentions over the Mother of God, interceding saints, pope, etc, for their own scrutiny? Or do they get these established first as a priority?
---John_II on 4/6/10


Cluny, that congregation is in San Dimas, California. They have a website.
---ger.toshav on 4/5/10


\\Cluny, there's a St. Peter's Antiochian Orthodox Church near us where the whole congregation decided some years ago to switch from Foursquare or AOG to Orthodoxy. It's an interesting story.
---ger.toshav on 4/5/10\\

I'd be curious to know where.

But it's not the first time such has happened.

God's calling His elect.
---Cluny on 4/5/10


Cluny, there's a St. Peter's Antiochian Orthodox Church near us where the whole congregation decided some years ago to switch from Foursquare or AOG to Orthodoxy. It's an interesting story.
---ger.toshav on 4/5/10


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anon:

I have never yet met a Catholic who worships the Pope. Where do you get your information?


catherine:

Are Catholics saved? Yes, some.
Are Protestants saved? Yes, some.
Are Evangelicals saved? Yes, some.

Jesus taught there there will always be chaff mixed in with the wheat. We see that today, and it was also quite obvious in the New Testament church from the very beginning. The two will never be separated until the Final Judgment.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/10


\\not the traditions of men which are of human effort. \\

Does this include Protestant and Evangelical traditions of men, too?
---Cluny on 4/5/10


I don't know if it's in the Bible. I asked God one night, because of so much junk out there. I said, "are any Catholics saved"? God said, "yes, some". Off the record: Just like in the Protestant churches. They are all in trouble, today.
---catherine on 4/5/10


You can raise them anyway you want to in doctrines! It won't get them to heaven. We ought to be a praying for our children. That Jesus will give them favour and save them, from HELL!!!If you really love your children. Amen....Hallelujah.
---catherine on 4/5/10


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Raise them in the training and admonition of the Lord [Ephesians 6:4], not the traditions of men which are of human effort. Though not walking in total agreement, I'd suggest that both set aside that which is protested of (after all, there is so much to learn and to teach), and take those protestations to study without the children. But of course, one might want to press on more with that which another protested of. So consider how much more will be revealed by diligently trying to reach a 3-way agreement in God's word. But take heart in this anyway: Children are for the Lord and so long as you fix your thoughts on Jesus, then you'll all continue in the right direction.
---John_II on 4/5/10


\\Can someone please give scripture references that prove Catholics are Christians?\\

Can you prove they are not?

If Roman Catholics are not Christians, then neither are Protestants, because they share the same history, background, and theological assumptions.

BTW--there are Protestants who practice infant baptism. Did you know that?
---Cluny on 4/5/10


The word catholic refers to the universal Christian church. The Roman Catholic church thinks of itself as the true Christian church. Which I disagree with. But It is a Christian denomination. There is no scripture that mentions the RCC by name so it can not be stated that scripture says it is Christian.

There are many practices in the RCC that I disagree with. But I have meet a number of memebers of that church who love JESUS most of them do not pray to the saints. But pray to JESUS directly.

When I disagree with those who are RCC I do so as fellow belivers in JESUS.
---Samuel on 4/5/10


Can someone please give scripture references that prove Catholics are Christians?

Catholics pray to Mary - where in the bible does it tell us to pray to Mary?

Catholics worship the Pope - doesn't the bible tell us that thou shalt have no false idols before God?

Catholics have statues all over the place-"make no images and pray to no one except "Our Father, who are in Heaven, not Hail Mary, full of Grace."
---anon on 4/5/10


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My parents were married for 65years,Dad Catholic, Mom Protestant.
He was abused in a Catholic orphanage, said to Mom, "You raise the kids (4boys) whatever" They never argued over religion,but he remained Catholic very seldom going to church! Christmas eve mass!
---1st_cliff on 4/5/10


Friendly Blogger and Cluny are correct. Catholics are Christians but they are not protestants.

They believe Christ is the son of God who was slain and rose again for the forgiveness of our sins.

Where protestants part is over Mary, sainthood, infant baptism and the nonsense about some old guy in Rome being the Vicar of Christ.
---larry on 4/4/10


First, you ASSUMED those who are part the Roman Church are not Christians (unsaved?)! Such assumption must be avoided, and are nothing more than the usual radical statements made by Anti-Catholic bigots.

I think you mean Catholics vs Protesants vs Eastern Orthodoxy vs Oriental Orthodoxy, etc, and not Catholics vs Christians.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/4/10


It is better that Catholics marry Catholics, Orthodox marry Orthodox, Jews marry Jews, mainline Protestants marry mainline Protestants, Evangelicals marry Evangelicals, Fundamentalists marry Fundamentalists...
---ger.toshav on 4/4/10


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First the Question is improperly worded as Catholics are Christians. I should be marriages between Catholics and Protestants.

My son is in such a marriage as he is Presbyterian (PCUSA)and his wife is RCC. She has a physical condition the precludes her becoming pregnant so in their case it is a mute point.
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/4/10


Catholics ARE Christians.
---Cluny on 4/4/10


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