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Repented Before Death

My uncle died. He lied, steal, committed murder, committed adultery, idol, used Gods name in vain, etc. but he believed in Jesus. The bible says that if you lie, commit murder, steal, commit adultery, idol you will go to hell. But before he died he asked God for forgiveness. Is he in heaven?

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Nobody knows, and you knew him better than us. I know this, no one is going to end up in the wrong place for no reason. Everyone when they die go to there place. The only thing we can do is make sure that during this dress rehearsal, we get geared in the right garments by putting off the old man and being clothed in Christ righteousness for our own sakes, before we step out into something more real than here and that forever eva
---Tiffany on 5/20/10

he may have been forgiven, but he is not in heaven. he remains in his grace till christ comes.
---francis on 5/18/10

Nana, though you did not mention my name I know you are addressing me. Yes, there is a special privilege, "Faith" for anything without faith is sin. You can believe in God but that does not mean you are a genuine believer. Just believing is not good enough, even the enemy believes but has no faith.

The tree is known by its fruit. If no fruit, no true salvation. It does not mean he had it, but that genuine salvation never took place or else there would be fruit.
We don't judge Judas, he was judged in Scripture by Peter for his wickedness. All we do is give the answer from what Scripture teaches.
---MarkV. on 5/7/10

When you sin, is that a genuine sin? Why do you say that all sins are forgiven you by Christ, but turn around and rend Simon and Judas for their wickedness? Do you have special privileges?
Yes, Simon believed and was baptized, consider therefore that thereafter "the tree is known by its fruit", and we just learned that ALL wickedness disqualify us.
If we judge Judas for what he did and Simon for what he said, we should thread lightly, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." My advice to the wise, walk and talk to the measure that you judge.
---Nana on 5/6/10

Simon the sorcerer believe as Acts 8:13 states, but his believe was motivated by purely selfish reasons and could never be considered genuine (Jhon 2:23,24). He saw it as an external act useful to gain the power he believed Phillip possessed, and by following Phillip, he was able to maintain contact with his former audience. That is why Peter said to him," your money parish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money"
No one can earn his way into heaven. His heart was not right with God. So he is told to "Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be foregiven you." A student needs to read the context.
---MarkV. on 5/6/10

Care must be taken of not laying down doctrine based on a single verse.
Acts 8:9: "But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:"
Acts 8:13: "Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."
Well, Simon believed and was baptized, consider therefore...
---Nana on 5/5/10

That Mark 16:16 is always a difficult passage....

To me it suggests that damnation is caused solely by not beleiving [whether or not one is baptized] but [logically only when possible, not as in the robber on the cross, who was saved WITHOUT being baptized] we are still expected to be baptized.

Salvation is first and foremost by belief, but it does appear that God expects us to be baptized

Whether this is in any way connected with salvation I cannot say, though I personally consider it to be an [expected from God] RESPONSE to salvation, not a requirement
---peter3594 on 5/5/10

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---a_friend on 5/3/10

--Anthony on 5/1/10 Mark 16:16,Whoever believes and is Baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Baptism is part of being saved.
Not in this age.
Why would you think these verses apply to you, in this age, Christ is dealing with His body? The vs is addressed to the 11 Mk.16:11 apostles to Israel. What about vs.17 and 18?
---michael_e on 5/3/10

Anthony, Mark 16::16 does not in any way say that baptism brings salvation. What it does say is, "He who believes" and is baptized will be saved" He has to believe, to be save, and after he is, he is commanded to be baptize. Because the next verse says, " But he who does not believe will be condemned" So believing brings salvation. Not believing brings condemnation. It does not teach that baptism saves, since the lost are condemned for unbelief, not for not being baptized (Acts 2:38).
---MarkV. on 5/3/10

Lets hope that it was the salvation heart repentance type prayer. If it was yes he is in heaven tonight. Amen. Perhaps one less soul for Satan.
---catherine on 5/1/10

The bible says that if you lie, commit murder, steal, commit adultery, idol you will go to hell.
Morally good people are just as lost as immoral people.
Salvation isn't based on what you physically do or don't do.

Salvation depends on what you do with the finished work of the Cross.
Christ alone looks on the heart.
---michael_e on 5/1/10

Mark 16:16,Whoever believes and is Baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.Baptism is part of being saved.
---Anthony on 5/1/10

If it was a salvation repentance type prayer, yes he is in heaven.
---catherine on 4/19/10

Aka, it would have to be point of view from different perspectives, because if you remember Luke was not a witness himself. Luke expressly stated that his knowledge of the events recorded in his gospel came from the reports of those who were eyewitnessess (Luke 1:1,2). Strongly implying that he himself was not an eyewitness.
---MarkV. on 4/12/10


Thank for posting that. One question that I was about to ask was the different accounts. I always chalked it up to point of view. But, now I see it could be time related.

I will meditate on that. Thank you, again.
---aka_joseph on 4/11/10

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Aka, thank you for your answer. I was sure you didn't mean that he was motivated by fear. Your explanation was very good. One thief rebuked the other, for he recognize he was going to hell where the other didn't, for sinning against God, his criminal conscience was smitten, and he repented. There are differences here because the other two gospels Matthew and Mark report that both criminals were mocking Christ along with the crowd, but as the hours wore on one criminals conscience was struck with remorse, while the other impenitent thief resumed his mocking (v.39). This one thief testified of Jesus innocence.
---MarkV. on 4/11/10

Yes markv!
Im wrong. Im always wrong!
---TheSeg on 4/11/10

Seg, you are wrong. Just as you said. Your whole exposition is wrong. Thanks for telling us before you wrote it.
---MarkV. on 4/11/10


I did not say the thief was saved because of his fear of God. He was saved because he asked for Jesus to cover for him even though he did not understand that that is how to saved. It is Jesus who saves and not our actions even if it is in Jesus' name.

However, the thief did say: Luk 23:40 Do you not fear God, seeing you are in the same condemnation? Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

Did the thief "accept Jesus into his heart" or say "the sinner's prayer"? No. Jesus recognized that he needed and asked for cover, which is the Plan.
---aka_joseph on 4/11/10

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I know Im wrong!
The bible clearly says:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Dont take this (is guilty of all) lightly!
So, you repent, of whatever!
You try not to do it again.
Now lets just say, you succeed!
But you do something else.
Are you not guilty of that which you say you repent of?
So, I guess you have to repent again, right!
Or did you repent of future sin?
Once you had to paid money for this!

Without knowing you, I can tell you, you are going to fail.
In fact you have not repented, at all!

Now, explain how you repented?
God I love you.
---TheSeg on 4/10/10

Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born gain, born of water and of the Spirit to inherit eternal life. St.John 3. Repentance is just a part of The Lord's salvation, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41.
It still amazes me how the Man-made trin - relig - org's churches are still trying to steal their way into heaven, just like what the scripture says about, the same is as a thief & a robber. If they got inside then they are caught here, Matt.22 v's 11 - 13. In the which, that man represents All the Man-made relig - org's churches.
---Lawrence on 4/10/10

No. He is in the grave awaiting the resurrection - either the first or the second - no one but God knows which.

Cluny: "There had to be SOME conscious part of Lazarus that survived SOMEWHERE" The Bible says you're wrong:

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
---jerry6593 on 4/10/10

AKA, the thief on the cross was not saved because of the fear of God. I don't see that as his motivation at all, because if it was, then Jesus would not have told him, "Today you will be with Me in Paradise"
For a heart that is motivated for fear of punishment is not a contrite heart, it is a heart that repents by attrition, for it involves remorse caused by a fear of punishment or a loss of blessing. Every parent has witnessed that from their kids. A child fearing the paddle cries, his sorry. Esau exhibited the same repentance, he was sorry not because he had sinned, but because he had lost his birthright.
A contrite heart includes deep remorse for having offended God.
---MarkV. on 4/10/10

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look at the thief on the cross. it seems that his only motivation was the fear of God.
---aka_joseph on 4/9/10

-- MarkV :

Amen ~ Brother ~ Amen !!!
---ShawnM.T. on 4/9/10

If his repentance was genuine, with a contrite heart, he is going to heaven. It does not matter how much time it took, what matters is that he confessed Christ as his Savior and believed by faith that Christ died for his sins. Some come to the Lord in a young age others when they are old. If they are of the elect, they will come to Christ at a given time. The number of the save has already been written in the book of life.
---MarkV. on 4/7/10

If I were you, I'd ask God. I'm not sure God reveals that to people still on this earth. But ask because the Bible does tell us "Ask and you shall receive,"

I have been asking God where my father is because he committed adultery, brutally beat my sister and I to the pulp from when we were little girls. He went on murderous temper rages, aimed guns at us, etc.

He told me he went to confession 6 months before he died not knowing he was going to die in 6 months. Yet when the Priest came to give him communion in the hospital, he refused it. So I have no clue where my father is even though he was raised catholic. Ask God and maybe God will reveal where your uncle is, maybe he won't. Trust that God knows what he's doing.
---Donna5535 on 4/6/10

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It depends on if he was truly and sincerely repenetant for his sinful life. The wicked rightly go to hell, and the righteous rightly go to heaven. Since he is dead he does not have the chance to prove he meant what he said and was truly sorry, by making good to those he damaged and amending his life. And if he was only trying to slap a quick band-aid on his condemned life, instead of geniunly feeling guilty and begging "Jesus" for mercy, then No, because "Jesus" cannot and will not be played.
---Eloy on 4/6/10

Some people here write in parables to the point that no one really understands what they say, or why they say what they say. They want you to figure out the riddle.
---Bobby-1 on 4/6/10

The thief on the cross repented, talked to Jesus & that was still under the law. Grace came with Jesus death-burial & resurrection then when Jesus went up from the mount of transfiguration. Repentance is only a part. Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19-20, to the Jewish people first on the day of Pentecost was delivered to them by Apostle Peter.

The Man-made salvation teachings once saved always, no works salvation, the sinners prayer & the easy believism stuff came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14-15, the devil being like the pied-piper playing his deceiving tunes, & this started with the rcc.
---Lawrence on 4/6/10

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---a_friend on 4/6/10

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Austin, chances are the thief that hung on the cross adjacent to Jesus' had done many such things, "but he believed in Jesus". He was informed that day, that he would be with Jesus in paradise.
It is not man's past that condemns him. It is man's stubborn willful refusal to 'willingly' acknowledge and confess the authority of Jesus, as LORD of salvation.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not 'believed' (relied on or trusted) in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Jhn 3:18
"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom 10:9
---Josef on 4/6/10

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

My uncle died.
No,can't be!
---TheSeg on 4/6/10

nope,ifs are in the minds and hearts of people they dont exist in salvation,you either are or you arent saved,your either lost or you arent,your either alive or dead,to ponder whether by using the word IF is really wrong,just as it is wrong for anyone to say whether they know anyone is saved.the funny thing is there are many who believe they are ,and guess what? they arent
---tom2 on 4/5/10

this is up to God only.We donot know. If he truly repented in ghis soul then he,with others will see Jesus during the ressurection.
---candice on 4/5/10

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Cluny, **had to be some conscious part of Lazarus** What does it mean "Lazarus died?"
Opposite of up is down, opposite of out is in, opposite of life is death! You can't "literally" be both! (except figuratively speaking)
Lazarus was literally dead! (strong odour).
---1st_cliff on 4/5/10

jesus prayed to his father first for lazarus to be raised,and so that all those nearby at the time would believe he was sent by God.iam not sure where he is,only God knows for sure.Can he be in heaven? yes.
---tom2 on 4/5/10

"The parable of the workers shows that all get the same reward if they start early in the day or late in the day, it is not a matter of fairness it is a mater of the Master's privilege to reward is he sees fit."
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/5/10
It is a matter of fairness and justice. Those who complained were the first, who were the only ones who AGREED on a wage for their labor, a penny. Whereas the latter ones accepted the hire for an undisclosed amount, "whatsoever is right", and were they glad for the penny, the lesson is about coveting. On the other hand, the parable of the talents show that God is a just rewarder and not a whimsical potestate. Hebrews 6:10.
---Nana on 4/5/10

\\Christ did not call Lazarus back from heaven he was just dead in the grave.

There had to be SOME conscious part of Lazarus that survived SOMEWHERE, otherwise, he would not have been able to respond to Christ's call.
---Cluny on 4/5/10

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Yes. If he really was repentant.
---Donna66 on 4/5/10

there are no ifs to Gods gift of salvation thru jesus.
---tom2 on 4/5/10

If he sincerely repented, yes, because true repentance is actually a gift from God Himself.

However, forgiveness does not change the past into a record of accomplishment.
---Cluny on 4/5/10

The last shall be first...
---ger.toshav on 4/5/10

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If and only if he was preordained to be among God's elect and God offered him irresistible grace then he is forgiven and starts off with a clean slate. To bad he came to the realization so late in life. As for heaven he eventually my be there given the aforementioned have occurred, but but the resurrection of the dead and judgement have not occurred yet and no one get to heaven until that happens. Christ did not call Lazarus back from heaven he was just dead in the grave.

The parable of the workers shows that all get the same reward if they start early in the day or late in the day, it is not a matter of fairness it is a mater of the Master's privilege to reward is he sees fit.
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/5/10

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