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Does Genesis Explain Universe

Does Genesis 1 talk about the creation of the universe or just our solar system?

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It all depends on how you "look" at it Jerry. :) In context to Scripture, G1:16 is speaking of creation central to life on earth, i.e., sun & stars within (not without) our solar system. The stars outside of our solar system are of no earthly benefit to stargazers standing & looking up at the stars with their naked-eyes. Star light, in our solar system, obviously brightens the night sky (heavens) & sheds light upon our pathway in the dark. Again, stars outside our solar system don't give us that benefit.
---Leon on 4/11/10


The collection of books we refer to as the Bible were written to man, for man,
concerning man. We have been given information that pertains to us and the Father's association with us. Therefore,to answer the blog question, Genesis from 1:2-2:1 references only our earth and our solar system.
---joseph on 4/11/10


Agreed-Amen.
---char on 4/11/10


Cliff, Jesus 'law' comment sets a principle:i.e. He considers details vital. It is His Gospel so Genesis, the basis of the gospel, is historically accurate.

Let us reason from His word not mans fleeting opinions. God is perfect, cannot lie and was there from the beginning. None of which applies to man.


"..you have no "examples" of doing anything at the snap of a finger!" You jest! The recreation of Lazarus, how long did that take?

Have you read Scripture cover to cover? Or rather do you just read books which endeavour to prove it wrong?

God's timing is His. He does what He wills, when He wills. He isn't interested in our opinions. It is not our place to say He is too fast or too slow.
---Warwick on 4/11/10


Leon:

Gen 1:16 ....He made the stars also.

Looks like a referral to extra-solar system creation.
---jerry6593 on 4/11/10


The collection of books we refer to as the Bible were written to man, for man, concerning man. We have been given information that pertains to us and the Father's association with us. Therefore, to answer the blog question, Genesis from 1:2-2:1 references only our earth and our solar system.
---joseph on 4/11/10




Steveng,You and others who say "God spoke these things into existence" has no basis in scripture. The Muslims preach this from the Quran ,that Allah spoke all things into existence!
The bible says differently, Isa.45.12 "Who has made the earth and mankind upon it, my own HANDS stretched out the heavens"
Psl.95..5 "The sea is his for he made it and his HANDS formed the dry land"
Do you take scripture at face value Warwick??
Where does it say anywhere that God spoke anything into being? Pious words but wrong!
---1st_cliff on 4/11/10


1st_cliff: "...Making the whole universe in a couple of hours is not "patient"!"

What do you know about patience but in a worldly way. All God has to do is speak things into existance at the time he speaks it. God created the universe as he spoke it into existance. Patience has nothing to do with his creating the universe, but...

He surely is patient to allow humans to come to him.

Lazarus was four days decayed, but God, in his infinate power, rearranged every atom in Lazarus' body to bring him back to life at the time he spoke it.
---Steveng on 4/10/10


Tom: Your comments aren't edifying, coherent or even a little bit witty. If you're attending a barbecue, stand up wind from the smoke so you won't choke.

Some of us on this blog are interested in what the Bible actually says beyond the erroneous smoke screens of eisegesical interpretations. Other bloggers -- well, they just like to argue, fuss & fight, & aren't the least bit interested in the subject. They're like party crashers who just showed up to trash everything.
---Leon on 4/10/10


well you know whatGod has all the time needed to answer peoples questions at the judgement,but the problem is I believe all he will be doing is looking for answers,or maybe just reading a short list before the barbecue.
---tom2 on 4/10/10


Warwick, That's exactly what i mean (60/40)
Jesus was specifically talking about the law and you widened it to mean all scripture..This is taking licence!
Isa.1.18 "come now let us reason together says the Lord" Your interpretation is not "reasonable" or logical!
Nor scriptural because you have no "examples" of doing anything at the snap of a finger!
Rev1.1 says these things will "soon" take place ...soon? 2000 years? (not even yet)
It took 4,000 years for Christ's sacrifice..big hurry???
2Pet.3.9 "God is not slow" (not fast either) but patient..Making the whole universe in a couple of hours is not "patient"!
---1st_cliff on 4/10/10




Very well said Steven.
---Warwick on 4/10/10


StevenG: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? What does this or any of your 4/9 questions have to do with the blog question? Who said anything about devilution?
---Leon on 4/10/10


steveng: "You who believe in half evolution and half God's creation surely should not believe in these miracles and surely deny God's true power."

You make a good point. It seems to me that if Jesus believed in a fiat creation (and He was the Creator), a universal flood, and the true, historical and scientific accuracy of the Old Testament, then we who choose to take on His name (Christians) should be obliged to believe as He did - or drop the pretense and find another name to call ourselves.
---jerry6593 on 4/10/10


How many millions of years would it take for water to turn into wine?

How many millions of years would it take a decayed body to become a living man again?

How many millions of years would it take for man to evolve into having the ability to walk on water?

How many millions of years would it take for two loaves of bread and several fish to multiply to feed 5,000 people?

You who believe in half evolution and half God's creation surely should not believe in these miracles and surely deny God's true power.
---Steveng on 4/9/10


Cliff my point in quoting Matthew 5:18 was to show that Jesus believes even the small details are vital. And this is from the Bible, referring to the Bible, and from the mouth of our Creator and Saviour, but you see this as slick!

Is not the law part of Scripture?

It is rather funny: on one side I have been told my views are literalistic but you say my views are only based on the Bible 40% of the time. In reality I take all Scripture (as any literature) at face value unless there is some good reason not to do so.

You on the other hand have little respect for God's word, interpreting it through the changing opinions of man. Can you give me a verse which allows you to do so?
---Warwick on 4/9/10


Moses wrote it in Hebrew. It would be highly unlikely He had Moses translate it before it ever got written down.
God was speaking Hebrew to Moses when He told him to write Genesis from His first hand witness.
---MIchael on 4/9/10


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Cliff, you wrote that my approach to Scripture is "About 40% scripture and 60% your interpretation!" Please illustrate what you mean with specific examples.
---Warwick on 4/9/10


Do you agree that Jesus (God the Son) physically died, and physically rose again in history, paying the price of sin (the wages of sin is death) that we may gain salvation and eternal life, through Him?
---Warwick on 4/8/10
Whether he does or doesn't agree I don't agree with your wording. You are liberal with at times to meld the popular doctrine of the times. Christ stated why he came...and who for. The prophets (all) witness this. You live in fear of knowledge, it appears. When it may shed greater light on truth of scripture. Some may/do/will/ would explain many, many things....and not change anything through Old or New covenant.....except the those who would shadow/shade/hide truth.
---Trav on 4/9/10


Warwick, Kinda neat how you "slick:it over.
"one jot or tittle"..from "THE LAW" you try to make it sound "from the bible" that's deceitful!
If you look really close you'll see that my "biblical views" are closer to the truth than your imagined fantasy!
Your approach is similar to the Catholic clergy who put their own "spin" on scripture (when answering the laymen) to suit their beliefs.
Nothing new, the Rabbis of Jesus' day did the same thing!
About 40% scripture and 60% your interpretation!
---1st_cliff on 4/9/10


Ger.': Good answer, but you evaded my question. Okay! You do know Jesus preferred the term "born again"? (Jn 3:1-21)
---Leon on 4/9/10


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Simon Cliff is a scoffer peddling nonBiblical views. He imagines Almighty God, cannot provide us His word in a langauge we understand. He continues to trundle out antiBiblical stories even though they fall apapt when examined.

Cliff talks of straining gnats as though that means we should ignore what he sees as small points. Jesus says (Matt 5:18) "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Jesus is clearly saying the tiny details of His word matter, because the details are part of the whole. Cliff misses the overall point regularly.
---Warwick on 4/9/10


Simon7348, What has God ever done in a nanno second? Imagination is a wonderful thing,maybe He could, maybe not! The universe was here "before" Gen.1, Gen. is dealing with "earth" and it's environs.Not space! The fact that He mentioned creating "everything" was just so you know no other god was involved in creation!
Michael, God spoke to Moses in Hebrew 'cause that's the language Moses spoke at the time tho he was fluent in Egyptian as well ,being raised by Pharaoh!
---1st_cliff on 4/9/10


Ger., thanks for clearing up your salvation beliefs. I had the feeling you were being a little evasive about it. But I was wrong.

I will research the Augustine quote but his beliefs are not something we should retranslate Scripture through. As you may know it was the RC's acceptance of the current 'scientific' view which brought them into conflict with Galileo's correct view.

If we retranslate Scripture through the prevailing scientific view, what do we do when that view changes? And it will.

Could you please answer: Do you know of anyone in the whole of Scripture who referred to or treated Genesis as metaphor?
---Warwick on 4/8/10


ger.toshav: "are there any non-born-again believers? I personally prefer the term "new creature" as found in 2 Corinthians 5:17."

Any women who does up her hair in a new way is considered a "new creature." A thief who mended his ways is a "new creature," but is not a christian. Any person with a new wardrobe, not like the one he or she had before, is a "new creature," but is not a christian.

Now mention the word "christian" and people know for certain who you are talking about. But not all christians who just claim to be cristians are christian at heart. Read: Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16
---Steveng on 4/8/10


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Warwick, you asked me, "Do you agree that Jesus (God the Son) physically died, and physically rose again in history, paying the price of sin (the wages of sin is death) that we may gain salvation and eternal life, through Him?" My answer, yes. That is basic Christian belief. As to St. Augustine, he was quoted in a book I read by Karen Armstrong which I had from the library. So I can't quote it to you. If you don't believe he said that, that's okay. I think we have made our positions clear to each other by now. So I'll see you later on another blog sometime. God bless!
---ger.toshav on 4/8/10


God was speaking Hebrew to Moses when He told him to write Genesis from His first hand witness.
---MIchael on 4/8/10


Steven, great to see you have a sense of humour.

Those trees are sure dangerous. While riding my motorbike one day a tree jumped out in front of me and gave me no end of trouble. Didn't improve the bike either!
---Warwick on 4/8/10


Warwick,It seems Jesus had persons like you...You pick and strain at grammatical structure of the language of Gen ch.1...By the same token you swallow the notion that the whole entire universe was created in a few hours 6,000 years ago-- that's not a camel that's a whole herd!
---1st_cliff on 4/8/10


Whole herd? So you're suggesting that God isn't capable (through inference) of creating the world in a few hours, 6000yrs ago? He could choose a nanosecond or 100 trillion years, of that there is no issue. I just don't understand how you can read the millions of years from Genesis 1. That's presumptive but a difference of opinion. You're suggesting something far worse.
---simon7348 on 4/8/10


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Warwick: "BTW I am not a literalist. If I was a literalist and read "the trees of the field clapped their hands," I would imagine trees have hands."

They DO have hands. I was walking along a path at the local park one day and a tree smacked me while I wasn't looking. It gave me a huge hand-print like gash on the side of my head.
---Steveng on 4/8/10


Ger.Toshav, I responded on 7th April.

BTW I am not a literalist. If I was a literalist and read "the trees of the field clapped their hands," I would imagine trees have hands. As I take literature at face value, I understand this as a figure of speech.

Psalms conveys truth in poetry and various figures of speech. Conversely Genesis is prose, not poetry. It is a style of writing used to convey information, not metaphor. Jesus and the apostles referred to the first 11 chapters, 107 times, always as straight-forward history.

If Genesis is metaphor, then the gospel is also, and we are lost in our sin!
---Warwick on 4/8/10


Leon, are there any non-born-again believers? I personally prefer the term "new creature" as found in 2 Corinthians 5:17.
---ger.toshav on 4/8/10


Ger.Toshav now please supply the Augustine quote.

My questions:

Do you know of anyone in the whole of Scripture who referred to or treated Genesis as metaphor?

Do you agree that Jesus (God the Son) physically died, and physically rose again in history, paying the price of sin (the wages of sin is death) that we may gain salvation and eternal life, through Him?
---Warwick on 4/8/10


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Cliff, Genesis 1:3-5- God called the light day (as we do) and the darkness He called light (as we do) "And there was evening and there was morning the first day. That is when time began as it was created for us. God is eternal, not living in time. As the dictionaries show eternity is a NO TIME ZONE! We look forward to eternal life, also living outside of time, ageless, for eternity!

I believe your confusion stems from the fact that you have a syncretic belief. "Syncretism is the attempt to reconcile disparate or contrary beliefs, often while melding practices of various schools of thought." You have been indoctrinated into a nonBiblical mindset and reinterpret Scripture through these 'glasses.'
---Warwick on 4/8/10


Warwick,It seems Jesus had persons like you in mind when he said "they strained at gnats and swallowed camels",
You pick and strain at grammatical structure of the language of Gen ch.1 when no one knows exactly what language God spoke at that moment!
By the same token you swallow the notion that the whole entire universe was created in a few hours 6,000 years ago-- that's not a camel that's a whole herd!
---1st_cliff on 4/8/10


Firmament....God uses the word in Genesis 1:14 which means the whole vault of the sky with its myriad stars.
---catherine on 4/8/10


Ger.': So, you're a born again believer?
---Leon on 4/8/10


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Leon, my salvation is secure in Jesus.
---ger.toshav on 4/8/10


Warwick, earlier I made reference to passages in Psalms and First Samuel which state that the earth is stationary and is set on pillars. I wanted to know if you took that literally, since you are a biblical literalist. You did not respond. So in fairness, I will ask you to respond, since you want me to respond to your questions. If we can read those passages metaphorically, then we can also read the early Genesis stories metaphorically. Thanks.
---ger.toshav on 4/8/10


Ger.': Do you take the word of St. Augustine over the word of God? Do you believe Jesus paid the debt for "your sin" which has its root in Genesis 3? Does your salvation depend upon Jesus paying "your sin debt" or is it based upon something else? Do you consider yourself to be born again?
---Leon on 4/8/10


Ger.Torshev, please supply the quote and reference for where St Augustine said that.

Even if he said that he was contradicting God's word. Psalm 146:3 "Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save."

What you are saying is, we should regularly retranslate God's word via the constantly changing 'scientific' opinions of "mortal men who cannot save!" What a disaster.

What we need to consider is that the Creator obviously knows immeasurably more than any scientist. You will search His word in vain to see any suggestion that Genesis is not historical fact. In fact Jesus and the apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis, and always as historical fact.
---Warwick on 4/8/10


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Warwick, Are you saying there was no such thing as time before 6,000 years ago,but from now on there will always be "time"? Your brain can't fathom "time" before creation? Even tho time existed God had no beginning!
Said different ways , words can have different meanings..like,
"Honey when I look at you ,time stands still" is not the same as "You have a face that would stop a clock"!
---1st_cliff on 4/8/10


Warwick, the 1 Corinthians 15:22 passage you quoted is actually one of my favorite passages in the New Testament because it holds out such great hope for all humanity. I just take it as Paul intended it, sin brought death to all humanity but Christ brings life to all humanity. St. Augustine said that if science shows any scripture to be unscientific, then go with science and read the scripture allegorically. That was the practice of the church until about 1700.
---ger.toshav on 4/7/10


Ger.Torshav, our opinions are irrelevant. God's word is relevant.

Considering this I ask my question again: Do you know of anyone in the whole of Scripture who referred to or treated Genesis as metaphor?

Read Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22.

For one example:

1 Corinthians 15:21, 22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive."

If the events of Genesis are metaphor then the gospel is also a metaphor.
---Warwick on 4/7/10


first I must understand your question,are you looking for the hows of the universe?,or the whos?
---tom2 on 4/7/10


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Warwick, I have no problem believing that Jesus died for all humanity to save them from sin. One can easily believe that and still view the early chapters of Genesis as metaphor. If you don't, I respect that. My salvation depends on what I believe about Jesus, not how I view Genesis.
---ger.toshav on 4/7/10


Cliff I have tried to explain eternity to you via a secular dictionary, a Biblical dictionary, Scripture and logic but I have obviously failed. If you wish to believe eternity can be measured by human time then there is nothing that can stop you. Obviously.

I trust you now acknowledge that the term Alpha and Omega is not about beginnings or endings, but that Jesus is all in all.

However if you view eternity as measurable by human time then it appears you believe that God had a beginning and will have an ending. Confusing.
---Warwick on 4/7/10


God created physical reality for his creation. God is spirit,man occupys the physical world,and has faith in the unseen thru God.we are so limited in our understanding.why worry,or ask about when or how,whats important is who and why?
---tom2 on 4/7/10


Ger.Torshav, I believe the Bible to be scientifically and historically accurate. However like all literature figures of speech are used. We say 'it was raining cats and dogs.' No dogs, just torrential rain.



People are described as pillars of the church. Does anyone imagine they are holding the floor-boards up? Figures of speech.

The earth is immoveable beyond the amazingly accurate path God has set for it, through space.

I take Scripture and all literature at face value (not literally) unless there is some good reason not to do so. Most educated readers are well able to comprehend when figures of speech are being used and what they mean.

Jesus said He is the vine-John 15:5?
---Warwick on 4/7/10


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Ger.Torshav,

Do you know of anyone in the whole of Scripture who referred to or treated Genesis as metaphor?

In the NT we are told that the events of the first chapters of Genesis are the foundation for the gospel, the reason for which Jesus came and died. Is the gospel (in your view) based upon events which never historically happened?

Do you believe God came as man, in Jesus, and died, and rose again, that we might be forgiven?
---Warwick on 4/7/10


peter3594, yes, I agree with you. Scripture is filled with metaphor. I also view the early chapters of Genesis as metaphor.
---ger.toshav on 4/7/10


Warwick, Do you know the definition of double-talk?
**eternity is timeless** wrong
eternity is time "ongoing"
Eternal life/ life ongoing will be measurable! day after day!
You cite Webster's dictionary eternity as "endless TIME" time is measurable forward or backwards!
Holman Concise Dictionary.P.16 Alpha and Omeega - describe "eternal" nature of God or Christ"
Eternal- time related!
Time does not STOP or has ever stopped nor will it!
---1st_cliff on 4/7/10


Ger.toshav, you cannot say that everything in the Bible is to be taken literally, for some things can be seen to be metaphorical (like the three references you comment). But even metaphorical statements can have great value! Please remember that. You and Warwick are on the same side!
---peter3594 on 4/7/10


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the only explanation I believe is that God made everything.mans feeble attempt to explain reality,and all that makes up what see is futile.God by the word called everything into existence,faith in a created universe,by God,is reality for me.
---tom2 on 4/7/10


\\Cluny: Your statement is related to what?\\

The comments others have made about time on this thread.
---Cluny on 4/7/10


Warwick, if it is true that the Bible is scientifically and historically accurate, then per Psalm 93:1 and 96:10: the earth is stationary, and per 1 Samuel 2:8, the earth is set on pillars. You will have to take those statements literally. Perhaps you do. I don't mind.
---ger.toshav on 4/7/10


Cluny: Your statement is related to what? It certainly has nothing to do with (has no connection to) the blog question I've asked.

However, time (day & night), referred to in Genesis 1 & 2, only relates to life on earth as it rotates on its axis & revolves around the sun. The rest of our solar system, galaxy & other galaxies in the universe are (as far as we know) timeless.

Cliff: Glad we're finally on the same page (atleast for a "time") friend. :) Yes, God is forever Creator (past, present & future)!

ALL ABOARD, the Bible Express, now leaving on track Genesis 1...:)
---Leon on 4/7/10


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I would like to remind our readers that time is actually relative.

It's so relative and (for lack of a better word) subjective the the GPS satellites that circle our planet have to be reset to earth time frequently because they travel so fast it affects their time.

Consider the implications.
---Cluny on 4/7/10


Indeed Cliff, eternity is timeless. If eternity could be measured by time it would, by definition, no longer be eternity.

Through faith in Jesus we are promised eternal life. Life forever!

Two Peter 3:8 shows God is outside of time. "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day." Time is for man.

Websters Dictionary 'eternity,' "Infinite duration, without beginning in the past or end in the future, also, duration without end in the future, endless time.

Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet, do not refer to time, but "designates that God and Christ are the all-encompasing reality." Holman Bible Dictionary p. 1220.
---Warwick on 4/7/10


Ger.Torshav,

If it isn't absolute truth then it is no help at all, but an evil joke. But it isn't, as the Creator Jesus, the truth, and His appointed apostles, always quoted from the OT as historical fact. In fact they quoted from every OT book, quoting from Genesis ch's 1-11 107 times! Not even a tiny hint of myth there!

If you say the Bible is just a collection of mythological writings then by the same measure we should not take any notice of what you have written. Maybe you are just a figment of my imagination?

For me and my house we will always truth the Lord over any man.
---Warwick on 4/6/10


Interesting question Leon.

The earth was here "without form" and we have no idea about how long it was without form or its celestial surroundings prior to the creation of a living earth.

There is some question about the entymology of the translation "void and without form" but "God's spirit moved over the waters indicates preparation for man.

Is scientific carbon dating possibly dating the earth before it was separated from the water?
Cluny, Warwick, anyone?

Just asking, thanks in advance.
---larry on 4/6/10


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I support Warwick in his contention that eternity is timeless. The spiritual dimension is something quite different from what we are experiencing now. God doesn't get older. He stays the same. I am unable to find the phrase "from eternity to eternity" in my Bible. Maybe someone could help of out with that. Thanks.
---ger.toshav on 4/6/10


Warwick, nowhere, either, in the Bible does it call that collection of scriptures we read a "Bible." Myth isn't a bad word. But however you read Genesis, if it helps you, that's a good thing.
---ger.toshav on 4/6/10


Warwick,**eterniity is a lack of time**???
He is described as Alpha and Omega...beginning and end, Is that not time???
Or from everlasting "TO" everlasting...is that not time???
I'm not the one confused, I comprehend "eternity"
Jn.3.16 "Whosoever believes in Him hall not perish but have "Eternal" life. do you comprehend this scripture???
I think your stones are fluffy "nerf balls"
We are promised paradise not a timeless vacuum!
---1st_cliff on 4/6/10


Gen 1 talks about the creation of the universe and all that is in it.
---MIchael on 4/6/10


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Cliff, you are a character!

You write of God's eternality and then express eternity as 'billions of years,' when eternity is a total lack of time. Not 1 year or 1,000, or 1,000,000,000 but no time at all!

Your inability to comprehend the meaning of eternal/etrernity is the foundational cause of your confusion.
---Warwick on 4/6/10


Leon,I know we seldom agree on a lot of issues,but this one is about intelligently assessing the subject and I think you're on the right track here!
The information in Gen. is for "man's" benefit about the "beginning" of earth being made suitable for habitaion!
The universe and God's heaven don't figure into His purpose of "being fruitfull and filling the earth!" with humans.
He metioned the stars and He also made them, but not necessarily at that time! Like for billions of years he did nothing 'till 6,000 years ago?
Jesus said "my Father has kept working 'till now..." (Jn.5.17.)like forever in the past!
---1st_cliff on 4/6/10


Myth is also another word for something like a parable expressing a spiritual truth.

In this sense, Genesis 1 is a myth. It's simply saying that God created the physical universe (which is all the passage deals with.)

When you compare Genesis with the creation legends of surrounding contemporaneous cultures, there are marked differences. These other teach creation from violence, constraint, celestial incest, or pre-exisistent stuff.

Genesis teaches that God created the universe from nothing, peacefully, willingly, freely, and that it's different from Himself.
---Cluny on 4/6/10


The phrase "the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1, 2:1, Exodus 20:11, Jeremiah 32:17, Revelation 14:67) is a merism, a figure of speech, meaning 'everything.' As testified by God's word He created space and into it placed His whole creation, doing it in 6 24hr days as He says in Genesis 1:3-5, Exodus 20:11 etc.

See Mark 10:6-8 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. ......,and the two will become one flesh..." So whenever the universe was made, man quickly followed.

Interestingly here the Creator joins together Genesis 1:27, and 2:24 obviously undermining those scoffers who claim there are two contradictory versions of creation. Jesus the Creator disagrees.
---Warwick on 4/6/10


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On another thread Peter wondered about the disagreements here. From my experience disagreements are almost always between those who wholeheartedly follow God, and hold to His word as revealed Truth, and the scoffers-atheists, cultists and those who attempt to totally change the meaning of God's word by reinterpreting it through man made philosophies.

Jude verse 18 speaks eloquently to this situation. "But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, 'In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.'"

There are many 'scoffers' here. Don't be fooled by them. Do they imagine their babblings stand up when tested by God's perfect word?
---Warwick on 4/6/10


scripture clearly tells us that God made everything,everything includes the universe.da
---tom2 on 4/6/10


Ger. Toshav, as followers of God we are to consider His word Truth, as He says.

The New Living Translation says : "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right" 2 Timothy 3:16.

In the light of this:
Where in Scripture is Genesis 1 described as "a creation myth"?

Where in the whole of His word does it say Genesis isn't an historical record?

In Jude vs. 14 Enoch is described as the seventh from Adam. Seventh from a myth?
---Warwick on 4/6/10


Leon, yes, that's what I think.
---ger.toshav on 4/6/10


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The early chapters of Genesis bring home to us from the get-go the greatness and majesty of God and the smallness of humanity. That's what it's about...
---ger.toshav on 4/6/10


Ger.' & FB: You guys are saying you don't believe the Genesis 1 account is historical fact? It's a myth rooted in tribal accounts (folklore)?

Okay, that aside, can either of you explain what Genesis 1 is talking about? Does it describe the creation of the universe, "as we know it", or does it speak to only a minute portion of the universe, i.e., our solar system?
---Leon on 4/6/10


In really neither one at the time of these tribal accounts, It is a Earth Centered system. The Sun revolves about the earth which is flat and on pillars and has defined edges. These were the understanding at the times when the oral traditions of early Genesis were collected edited and blended by Priestly editors up to about modern chapter 12, It contains multiple writing styles, Hebrew Vocabulary usage. The text settles down into a single writing style after chapter 12. until near the end where the death of Moses is told.

The concept of a universe or solar system simply don't exist in a modern understanding to even be considered in the text of Genesis.

Know your ancient languages and their linguistic documentary sources.
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/6/10


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