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What Is The Creation Of Time

Is time, 24 hour days as we know it, the only time that exists in the universe? What're the key components in the creation of time? These aren't questions for the slow of hearing. :)

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God makes day "time" possible by syncronizing the rotation of planets on their axis as they revolve around their suns. Our "earth" & other planets all spin & travel thru space at varying speeds, therefore day "times" are different throughout space (solar systems & galaxies of the universe).
---Leon on 4/20/10

Jerry6593, Jesus' apostles at no time commanded Sabbath observance.

Christ's sacrifice 'abolished . . . the Law of commandments' and God 'blotted out the handwritten document against us.' It was the complete Mosaic Law that was 'abolished,' 'blotted out,' taken 'out of the way.' (Eph 2:13-15, Col 2:13, 14) Thus, the whole system of Sabbaths, be they days or years, was brought an end with the rest of the Law by the sacrifice of Christ.

This explains why Christians can esteem 'one day as all others,' whether it be a sabbath or any other day, with no fear of judgment by another. (Ro 14:4-6, Col 2:16)

Paul is thus correct to encourage Christians to 'enter God's rest' day at Heb.4:9 because God's 7th day is still running.
---David8318 on 4/20/10

Here is a question that might help. Let's back into this. In the New Heaven and earth, Revelation says there will be no sun or moon. Hummm. No days or nights. Will life then be on a 24 hr a day schedule? NO!!!

So then why are we having a problem with time before the sun and moon were created for OUR 24 hour days now?

In the New heaven and earth no one will need to REST , sleep etc. Before man was created God didn't need to sleep, or be on a schedule.

poor man made of flesh needs sleep for one thing...we just can go forever.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/10

Upset? Please Mark, that's your state of mind & you're desperately trying to spin it. Get over it! Jody has. :)

" comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17

What you call speculation (theory) I call revelation (fact), so there you have it & we've run out of "time", & space on this blog. God bless! :)
---Leon on 4/20/10

Leon, just for you I will not use the word speculate, I will use the word theory, since it is not fact, but someone's idea. I'm sorry you are upset. I think you should have not responded to Jody the way you did for no good reason, I thought, if I wrote you, we would see the great brother you are and just say, "I used the wrong words" but even that you did not say, you are entitle to your way of thinking about all of us.
By the way, Romans 10:17 had nothing to do with degrees of faith. I'm not telling you, your wrong or how to think, only that it does not say what you said. I will leave you peace
---MarkV. on 4/20/10

Mark: I've grown very weary of your trite useage of the words "speculate/speculation". It's "time" for you to get a new buzzword. :)

I don't know what your Bible says, but Romans 10:17 talks about "faith". Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't misquote me. I get the impression you really can't hear what I'm saying because you've made up your mind to believe what you want to believe. Like I said previously, it's your choice. But please don't try to tell me I don't know just because you don't know. Like I said originally ( & I mean you no offense), the fact of the matter is these really aren't questions for the slow of hearing. Please take a time out -- peace! :)
---Leon on 4/20/10

Cliff, read Numbers 7:10-48 and tell me: Is the writer talking about ordinary 24hr days?

If so why?
---Warwick on 4/20/10

Cluny: "And how do you know which day is the Sabbath when you're in outer space, which is only 50 miles or so from the earth's surface?"

This may come as a shock to you, but astronauts have clocks on board of high precision. Without them, they couldn't get home. I'll bet they can figure out what day it is.
---jerry6593 on 4/20/10


Do you have any scriptural evidence that the Apostles continued to observe the Sabbath after the resurrection?

While it's true that the Law has not passed away (it can't - God made a covenant with Israel, and can't just unilaterally break it), we aren't Israel, and it wasn't made with us, so we aren't bound by it. We have a newer and better covenant, and are free to treat one day as being more special, or to not do so.
---StrongAxe on 4/20/10

\\In fact, ALL of Jesus' disciples continued to observe the Sabbath day long after the cross.\\

And how do you know which day is the Sabbath when you're in outer space, which is only 50 miles or so from the earth's surface?
---Cluny on 4/19/10

I hear you Peter. What I believe is God has given us the Bible, generally so we all can choose to receive His salvation in Jesus. Specifically, I believe there are things in the Bible that we all can beneficially understand. Then there are things in the Bible only some can understand & apply it to their lives for the benefit of others. Nothing in the Bible is unknowable if God wants you to know it. Whereas it is given for some to know & accomplish certain things, it's not given to others. Each of us are given to know what God would have us know & do in our life journey towards mission completion on earth before we go home to be with the Lord.

That's my stand. God bless! :)
---Leon on 4/19/10

Leon, God did not leave one stone unturn that He wanted us to know.
You said,
" The degree of one's faith determines how quickly & what one hears from God. (Rom. 10:17)"
Now there is a big speculation. The passage says nothing about degrees of one's faith and what one want to hear from God. It is talking about the olive trees branches that are broken off and those grafted in, in these case the (Gentiles).
I don't care how much you want to see something in Scripture if the Holy Spirit does not reveal it to you, you will never see it. No matter how much faith you have. You can speculate but not fact. The Spirit only gives what it wants to give at the time He wants to give it.
---MarkV. on 4/19/10

Leon, you are correct, all of the Bible is so well connected.... yes.

But really there may be some tings that are not included - because we do not NEED to know. I take that this is what Mark means, and I do agree with him.

Also, there may be things in the Bible which God does not give us the ability to fully understand, BECAUSE we do not NEED to understand them. Only God understands absolutely everything [including the Bible]
---peter3594 on 4/19/10

"...somethings are just not there [in Scripture] for a reason [?]. God didn't think it was important [?] or else He would've told us...All we can do is theorize [speculate?]...nothing is solid fact [?]." Mark, 4/19

If that's what you currently believe, then that's what you believe! :) I choose to be open to hearing ALL of what Scripture says & not place limits on God's word because of personal speculations. Everything said, from Genesis to Revelation, is interwoven (line-upon-line, precept-upon-precept). God left no stone unturned. The degree of one's faith determines how quickly & what one hears from God. (Ro. 10:17)

Peace & God bless!!!
---Leon on 4/19/10

David8318: "Knowing Christians were no longer bound to observing a sabbath day"

There is no scripture that states that. In fact, ALL of Jesus' disciples continued to observe the Sabbath day long after the cross.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I just looked outside. Heaven and earth are still here. Apparently, ALL has not yet been fulfilled. Neither has the Law been abrogated.
---jerry6593 on 4/19/10

Leon, thanks for your response. It was better then what you said to her without explanation. There is people who know way more then others depending how much light God has brought to them about His Word. And also many are way behind in studying and trying to catch up. I believe everyone has something to give that can help. I don't mind discussing Scripture and looking for the missing gaps that people run into. But somethings are just not there for a reason. God didn't think it was important or necessary or else He would have told us. We need to except that fact. Example is the subject of children. Very little is given on that topic. Another is, why He has mercy on some and not all. All we can do is theorize as you say, but nothing is solid fact.
---MarkV. on 4/18/10

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Oh! There it is! The word 'speculate' used once on this blog, so much for it being a buzzword. oops, twice now...
But, last 'time' I checked Leon, we were in agreement on this blog.
Are you letting personal opinion get in the way of scriptural instruction and understanding?
Anyway, we last agreed that Gen 1:1-5 was the first day, beginning of time. (4/10/10)
---MIchael on 4/18/10

Mark: Slow of hearing means "dull of hearing" (Mat. 13:15-16, Acts 28:27-29, Hebrews 5:11-14) My comment wasn't meant to offend but to state Bible fact. The topic is way over the heads of some bloggers even though they, in vain, try & wrestle with it.

"Speculation" is the buzzword you & Mike have become locked at the hip with. Interestingly, when commenting on what I say you guys call it speculation. But, when you two "speculate" (theorize) it's somehow okay. Huh?! :/

What I said regarding Jody's "puffed up" (1 Cor. 4:1-6) remarks wasn't to denegrade her but to help by way of rebuke. (Mat. 7:1-5)

Perhaps we all need a "time out" to hear the blog questions. :)
---Leon on 4/18/10

Michael, it's not mans 7th day of rest being discussed in Hebrews 4, it's God's.

Once an individual recognised God's will and purpose, Paul urged that person not to become preoccupied with their own secular, selfish pursuits (which they might have done up until they'd accepted God) but now focus on doing God's will, according to His original mandate at Gen.1:28.

Knowing Christians were no longer bound to observing a sabbath day (the Law being fulfilled), Paul encouraged Christians to 'enter God's rest' day. Work and earn a living but don't let secular work dominate one's life. Focus on God's will & purpose.

Paul couldn't have urged them to do this if God's 7th day of 'rest' was 24 hrs long and ended 4000 years previous.
---David8318 on 4/18/10

Leon, no disrespect, but I have followed many of your blogs and do appreciate the good help you give many times, but Jody is right about your statement. Your comment "These aren't questions for the slow of hearing"
it implies those who answer can hear better then others. And when she made her comment you answered her with,
"Gee Jody! :Could it be your "hard time" is a consequence of "your" prideful attitude?"
What you suggest is for people to speculate on their ideas of time, not to read what Scripture says because that is already given, but if someone has ideas of their own those people that answer the question, hear better then others. Those who don't want to speculate stay away.
---MarkV. on 4/18/10

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To answere your question,your representing heaven,eternity.That the only time God lights it up,not the fleshly sun innsky.God Himself is the light.
---nina_mccutcheon on 4/18/10

Michael, So the psalmist (55.17) added "noon" to complete the day besides evening and morning!
Our bibles are translated into English,do we really need eber,boqer yowm etc...?

**each day has only one evening and morning**,
but it also has one night and one noon!

**No interpretation, just simple reading**??
Why does the concordance have many definitions of a single word? The translator gives the definition he thinks best fits the context...this is interpretation!
Cut and dried?? no way! Evening and morning does not define a 24 hr. day!
---1st_cliff on 4/17/10

24 hour days are only on this Earth - the moon, for example, has a much longer day (about 28 days) because it rotates slower.

I think, though, we mean is time constant?

God has [if I remember correctly] lengthened the day at least once (some battle in Israel) and caused the shadow to go back (Isaiah, 39 I think), which would indicate a changing in the length of the day. About time, it is a creation of God, so God can change it whenever He wants, but I [as yet] have no good evidence that He has done that
---peter3594 on 4/18/10

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.
---MIchael on 4/17/10

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\\Time is a fixed, measurable thing. Time is measured in finite units, always with a beginning and an end. But how do you measure eternity which has no beginning, or end?\\

Eternity is measured in the same way we measure time today. In days, and months and years.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

and more weeks, and more months, and more years.

Ifthere is no time in eternity how do they know when one new moon, and one sabath has come?
---francis on 4/17/10

Calendars in many South American and European countries, in particular, start the week on Monday. Airline timetables also number the days from Monday as 1, Tuesday as 2, Wednesday as 3, etc.

So if you live in one of these countries, should you worship on Saturday which is the sixth day? Or should you worship on the seventh day which is Sunday?
---Donna66 on 4/17/10

So, I take it, David8318, that you do not work and you will no longer work forever?
How do you sustain yourself?
---MIchael on 4/17/10

Michael, Paul clearly discusses God's 7th day of rest from creative activity in Hebrews 4:4.

Entering into God's rest should've been 'good news' to Hebrew Christians, just as the Sabbath rest should've been 'good news' to the Israelites before them. Hence, Paul is encouraging Christians not to make the same mistake Israel made in the wilderness. Citing Psalm 95:7, 8, he called attention to the word 'today,' though it had been so long since God had rested from creation. (Heb.4:6,7)

Paul's point? Christians should not be preoccupied with secular pursuits and that the 7th day which God had set aside to allow his purpose for the earth and mankind to be accomplished, was still running its course.
---David8318 on 4/17/10

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Psalms 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
Psalms 145:2 Every day will I bless thee, and I will praise thy name for ever and ever.
--Each day only has one evening and one morning.
--This is just what Gen 1 says. No need for interpretation, just simple reading.
'echad------mia--------one(first)--Gen 1:5
sheniy------duetera----second------Gen 1:8
sheliyshiy--trith------third-------Gen 1:13
rebiyiy-----tetarth----fourth------Gen 1:19
chamiyshiy--pempth-----fifth-------Gen 1:23
shishshiy---hekth------sixth-------Gen 1:31
---MIchael on 4/17/10

Warwick, As I have said many times, you make the scripture "fit" your theology.
God called light -day
God called dark-night
Between evening and morning it's dark,why would He call it (for ex) "day" #1?

Morning is a fraction of the day.
Evening is a fraction of the day
Night is a fraction of the day
Afternoon is a fraction of the day.

Four in all ,do 2 fractions make the entire 24 hrs?
The terminology alone (evening,morning) makes a 24hr day questionable!
The 6 day work week was creation in miniature!
---1st_cliff on 4/16/10

Hebrews 4 talks about God's rest (shabath), not the seventh day (shebiyiy yohm). A perpetual sabbath (rest) is there for any who believes to enter in faith.
A spiritual place, not a spiritual time.
His rest is eternal.
Exd 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day. (shabath shebiyiy yohm)
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day(shebiyiy yohm) God ended his work which he had made, and he rested(shabath) on the seventh day(shebiyiy yohm) from all his work which he had made.
Not to mention God didn't need to rest only as an example and is not resting now.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
---MIchael on 4/16/10

Despite what Warwick believes the 7th day has not yet ended.

Paul in Hebrews 4 identifies the 7th day was running in King David's time and in his, encouraging Christians to 'enter God's rest' (4:9).

Nowhere does the Bible say 'there came to be evening and morning a 7th day' to correspond with the previous 6 days. The 7th day is likely to conclude at the end of Christ's 1000yr rule, as 'Lord of the Sabbath', when Gen.1:28 is finally fulfilled.

Even Moses didn't believe a day with God to be 24 hours long, Psalm 90:4.

The creative periods are numbered to identify a specific creative activity during that period, not to identify a length of time. The Israelites fashioned their week on God's creative week, Ex.20:8-10.
---David8318 on 4/16/10

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Gee Jody! :D Does it hurt when you vent like that? Could it be your "hard time" is a consequence of "your" prideful attitude?
---Leon on 4/16/10

Elain, you have to remember that in (Gen. 1:4,5) where God said, "Let there be light" it was not the sun and moon that God was talking about. That was not created until (v.v. 14--19) on the fourth day. The light talked about here was provided by God (2 Cor. 4:6).
---MarkV. on 4/16/10

Elaine God's word says His six days of creation, and one of rest, are the same length, all comprizing day and night, light and dark,i.e one earth rotation. See Genesis ch. 1, and Exodus 20:8-11.

See also Leviticus 7: 1-48 where a chronology of events, over 7 days is explained. It is obvious these are all everyday 24hr days. The wording here is exactly the same as in Genesis 1- the first day, the second day the third day...

If these two sets of 7 days are not the same length then language has no meaning, and we therefore cannot be certain what anything anywhere in the Bible, means.
---Warwick on 4/14/10


Genesis 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.

8 "God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning the second day."

13 "And there was evening, and there was morning the third day.

19 "And there was evening, and there was morning the fourth day.

And so on... It doesn't matter if we say 'day one', or 'the first day' these are a numbered sequence.

As I understand it, time (finite) was created for man, as God is eternal-infinite.
---Warwick on 4/14/10

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Genesis 1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty." Considering what follows the in-context meaning is that the earth was formless as God had yet to cause the dry land to appear (vs. 9) giving it form rather than just covered by water. And empty as He had yet to create vegetation, animals and man.
---Warwick on 4/14/10

Michael thank you for your last Blog. It was so well put. So simple but so meaningful.

You get my vote!
---Warwick on 4/14/10

1Cliff, could be the reason you do not grasp the Truth is that you just don't think spiritual at all. Everything to you is in the flesh. If you do not see it with your eyes then it is not true, but faith is in believing someone you do not see. And since God is Spirit you do not see Him, so for that matter you do not believe in Him. Even the Word of God you do not believe, because it comes from God who is Spirit and Truth in whom you do not believe. Without faith, you have no hope, and without hope you are lost. Try that on the flesh and see where it takes you.
---MarkV. on 4/13/10

"These aren't questions for the slow of hearing.:)"

Give us a break! That was an arrogant statement which causes me to not dignify it with any of what I understand in this matter.

In your mind this must be a question addressed only to geniuses or spiritually superior folks? Good luck with that:) Hope you get your answer or point made. Why don't you just tell us since you know already or think you do:)

I just have a hard time with your prideful attitude.
---jody on 4/13/10

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Ahh yes, Gen 1:2
The Earth was formless and liquid(water)-Have you ever tried to form liquid without some sort of containment? But God did form it-Gen 1:6-10
The Earth was empty. But God filled it-Gen 1:11-13,20-28
The Earth was dark. God gave it light-Gen 1:3-5,14-19.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens, God himself that formed the earth and made it, he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.
Exo 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
---MIchael on 4/13/10

The 24 hour day we enjoy here on earth is a measure developed in accordance with the rising and setting of the sun. The times of light and dark, day and night in Genesis were relevant to time as it applied to the rotation of the earth and the appearance of the sun.
In God's Creation, throughout the Universe, planets turn at many different speeds, making their days of very different durations. So the turning of our earth is inadequate to designate God's term for a day. So what is the standard of God's day? Light is day, and dark is night. Who knows how long that first day was? It could have lasted 1/1000 of a second, at the first gamma burst...
---Elaine on 4/13/10

Peter dictionaries define 'yom'-day. It can mean a vague period of time, never of a specific length, or daylight, but when coupled with a number it always means a 24hr day.

Warwick, help me out here as a follow to my original question concerning "yom". How do we attach numbers to "Yom" in Genesis 1:1-18 before morning and evening were created the 4th day? I see no mention of numbers.

Is time only relevant after the creation of the finite?

What about the earth and its age (there I go with time again) while it was in a state of void and chaos? I find Genesis 1:2 very interesting.

Thanks brother.
---larry on 4/13/10

Mark V, You need to go back to math class.
Nothing is more than 100% of what it is!
Jesus was 100% human period!
Saying that He was also 100% spirit is playing spiritual gymnastics!
He is/was Not almighty God the Father!
Are you your father also??
Are you your own son??
Let's stay with reality huh??
---1st_cliff on 4/13/10

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Peter dictionaries define 'yom'-day. It can mean a vague period of time, never of a specific length, or daylight, but when coupled with a number it always means a 24hr day.

The Koehler, Baumgartner Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament says the first day (Genesis 1:5) is a 24hr day.

Read Genesis chapter 1, then Leviticus 7:1-48. You will see they both speak of-the first day, the second day, the third day etc. Leviticus is certainly meant to be taken as a daily chronology. Surely therefore Genesis ch. 1 is likewise.

Remember Exodus 20:8-11 God told the Israelites to work 6 days, rest the 7th, because He created in 6 days, rested the seventh. Grammar and context insist these days are all the same length.
---Warwick on 4/13/10

Cluny, I understand you perfectly, you are not RCC. In the subject of molestation, I didn't hear you say it was wrong moving the priest, you said for people to look at the RCC website for it had the Truth. No one else does but they. If anyone doesn't look there they don't want the Truth. Does the website have the names of the twenty two priest in Florida who have commit molestations? I don't think so. Do they even say what happened there? I don't think so. Do they speak about Oliver O'Grady who repeatedly abused children during his tenure as a Central Valley priest, to the United States? In the award winning documentary "Deliver Us from Evil" He speaks of his crimes. 500 cases are still pending.
---MarkV. on 4/13/10

\\2. When did I defend the molesters?
When you never said it was wrong, and that someone should have done something to stop them from moving the molesters, but instead said many others do it too.\\

Obviously, you miss the distinction between "What you say about XYZ is inaccurate" and "I agree 100% with XYZ."

What the thread was about was NOT molestation, but falsely reports or misinterpretation of the actions and words of Pope Benedict (nee Joseph Ratzinger). THIS is what I'm saying, and not even you can get by logic from "What Is being said by the secular media about the pope is not supported by the facts" to "I support pedophilia."

Do you understand this difference?
---Cluny on 4/13/10

The original Hebrew word [Yom] generally meant a day, but it could sometimes be also used to a period of time that was not 24 hours. Of course, until the days were creaded (logically of 24 hours), the first 'evening and morning' could possible have been different, though I do not know. We do have a good idea that other planets have longer or shorter days, but I do not know whether this is in any way awkward to the Bible. There is some [how much I do not know] that even our day is slowly getting slower, so maybe our current method even of measuring time is limited.
---peter3594 on 4/13/10

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Cluny the Second Commandment is,
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth, you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I the Lord your God, am a jealous God" Exodus 20:4,5.
Pretty simple and very much the Word of God.
As to your questions,
1. Where have I defended idols?
Answer by refusing to obey the Second Commandment and excusing it is not idol worship but something else.
2. When did I defend the molesters?
When you never said it was wrong, and that someone should have done something to stop them from moving the molesters, but instead said many others do it too.
---MarkV. on 4/13/10

1Cliff, we were speaking of God who is Spirit, what you saw in Jesus was a human being. 100% human. You could not possibly see the 100% Spirit that He was. What Jesus said, that He was the express image of His Father we believe it because He tells us by His Word not because we see it. It is God incarnated as Jesus Christ and all people were only able to see was Jesus the human not God.
You only want to challege something for no reason. It is explained to you but it is not good enough 1Cliff. The Son did everything the Father told Him in His incarnated state. But in reality He was God Himself in Spirit, and when He was born, in His human flesh which will last forever.
---MarkV. on 4/13/10

\\The Second Commandment speaks about not making sacred images. \\

No, it doesn't. because God ordered images of the Cherubim and other angels to be made for the Tabernacle and Temple.

And how about the bulls that supported the bronze laver?

\\ When I answered Cluny I was under the impression he was a Catholic cause he defended the Idols and the molesters.\\

I have repeatedly said I was Orthodox. Have you not grasped that simple fact yet?

I have two challenges for you:

1. Where have I defended idols?

2. Where have I defended molesters?

Be specific. Give my exact words.
---Cluny on 4/13/10

Literally hundreds of people saw Jesus,Jesus himself said "If you've seen me you've seen the Father" Isn't that a clue?
So just on face value, from scripture ,Gen says we are made in God's image, and Jesus saying He's the express image of the Father,What other conclusion can you come to ?
God doesn't have to be the size of Jupiter, He creates all things using his awesome Holy Spirit power!
---1stcliff on 4/13/10

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1 Cliff, let me explain it this way. The Second Commandment speaks about not making sacred images. The reason was that no one can make an image that really represent the true nature and character of God. It falls short. The image of God that Aaron made was was an idol, a calf. That image was suppose to be God who took them out of Egypt. No one knows what God looks like since He is Spirit. The image God was talking about was in been good, with emotions, caring and most of all Adam was sinless just like God. But he didn't look like Him. Image in character, with a will, and even to have control over the animals. Any other explanation I don't think I can help you. Thanks for listening. We cannot possibly look like Him, for no one has seen God.
---MarkV. on 4/12/10

Mark V, The word "god" simply means "mighty one" , all those other handles are attached by men!
Gen.1.27 "God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created him"
"you shall not make a graven image.."
What is a carved image if it isn't an exact likeness?? Do you see your image when you look in the mirror?? An image is more than just a similarity in some aspects!
Saying "image" is just a relationship is your opinion!
Our relationship is much closer than you imagine.
---1st_cliff on 4/12/10

Cliff, I agree with Mark. We are made in God's image, but not God, nor His clones. We share His attributes, created distinct from animals, creative, able to fully appreciate the beauty of creation, to commune with Him, looking forward to eternity with Him. We like God care about yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Consider countless missionaries who have suffered extreme privation and death for no personal gain, only the God-like love of man. These people have been, and still are, despicably treated (like Jesus) only because they joined with God endeavouring to bring salvation to all who seek it.

Genesis is not vague, but plain prose, akin to the language used in instruction manuals. Read it as a lover, not a scoffer.
---Warwick on 4/12/10

1Cliff, you said,
"The way you (and others) describe God, like a magician,Omniscient,omnipotent, omnipresent," That is the only way to discribe God. If those attributes are not His then He is not God. Then you said,
"yet the bible says we are made in His image? we're nothing like that, not even close??? Where's the scriptural similarity?"
We were made in God's image to rule creation. It defines man's unique relation to God. Man is a living being capable of embodying God's communicable attributes (9:6, Rom. 8:29, Col 3:10, James 3:9). In his rational life, he was like God in that he could reason and had intellect, will, and emotions. In the moral sense he was like God because he was good and sinless.
---MarkV. on 4/12/10

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Warwick, Thanks for sharing your experience,I've had a few adrenalin rushes myself (pilot for 35 yrs.)
To pin a label (merism) on a scripture is an opinion,the language of that moment is way too vague to call it so!
The way you (and others) describe God ,like a magician, Omniscient,omnipotent, omnipresent, yet the bible says we are made in His image? we're nothing like that, not even close??? Where's the scriptural similarity?
---1st_cliff on 4/12/10

Clifrf, in reality I am famous, or is that infamous, for thinking outside of the box. In fact I had a thinking outside of the box episode on the race track recently, lost concentration and had an exciting double 360 spin. One anti-clockwise the following clockwise. It was exciting for me but more so for the man following as I crossed the track backwards in front of him at high speed. Didn't do my tyres any good!

Cliff the point is that God created everything there is (the heavens and the earth: a merism meaning the whole deal, lock stock and barrel) in 6 24 hour days as He has told us so simply, as to a child! What's your excuse?

You want to judge God by human logic? Good luck!
---Warwick on 4/11/10

Time-God is Beginning and End.
Gen1:3And God said,"Let there be Light:"and there was light.
The Light of the World was there from the Beginning-Jn1:1,8:12,9:5
God did not create-His Word-He spoke it out.
His Word enters and gives light.Ps119:130
[pey]The entrance of Thy words giveth light,It giveth understanding unto the simple
Jn1:5And the light shineth in darkness,and the darkness comprehended it not.
2Cor4:6 For God Who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,hath shined in our hearts,to[give]light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

God's Word comes from within Him.
Gen1:1 In-Beginning...
---char on 4/11/10

Yes, Leon, I believe that Gen 1:1-5 was day one the beginning of time.
---MIchael on 4/10/10

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Warwick, Are you afraid to think "outside the box?"
God said "evening and one"
so now the universe was set on "earth time?"
all time in space is measured by earth's rotation??? NO, it was day one only "on earth", indicating He was just dealing with earth's creation by mentioning days by number!
He took 6 days to make earth "habitable" together with all creatures,but zapped the entire universe in a few hours??? Where's the logic in this??
Before day 1 nothing existed...scripture??
---1st_cliff on 4/10/10

"Is time, 24 hour days as we know it, the only time that exists in the universe?" No.
There is also past, present, and future.

"What're the key components in the creation of time?"
A beginning and an end.
---josef on 4/11/10

Tom: You're like a fly in the ointment. :)

Michael: If we agree on what the Bible says, then we'll stay in agreement. Indeed, "God" created both day & night TIME on the first day of creation (G1:5). Are we still in agreement? :)
---Leon on 4/10/10

Cliff 'light year' is a measure of distance. Light travels about 300,000 km/second, therefore 18,000,000 km/minute and 1,080,000,000 per hour. Imagine writing how far it travels in a year? 'Light year' is easy!

As a Christian I accept time began, when God said "....and there was evening and there was morning-the first day." God is eternal and eternity as dictonaries say, is an absence of time. If eternity was measurable by time it would no longer be eternity.

God does not exist in the same way we do. Before He created, nothing which we would recognize as a thing, existed. God created space in which to place His created universe. You will never understand the things of God via human intellect.
---Warwick on 4/10/10

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I have an idea where you are going wiith this Leon and there will be a point where we disagree, but to help others and show the difference in opinion let us continue.
So far, We agree.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Light determines our view of time.
---MIchael on 4/10/10

the only time that is relevent is today.and the only time of meaning is the repentent sinners time of salvation through jesus christ.
---tom2 on 4/10/10

The Hebrew word "Yom" (sic) used by Moses in the first five books denotes periods of time not all the same, hence the descrepancy between 6 days and 6 periods of possible longer length. Ancient earth is an interpretation now accepted by many Christian apologists.
Time is an explanation for the finite of the infinite and by definition is a reality of little importance in the grand scheme.
We are obsessed with time and cannot grasp 2 Peter 3:8. This leads to foolish predictions about end times and other rubbish.
Great question.
---larry on 4/10/10

Leon: Them 5th graders are smart cookies!

Warwick ,You said **alight year is not a measurement of time** then say it's how far light travels in a "year" not a year a measurement of time???
It's this kind of double talk that rattles me..
Time has NO beginning and NO end and neither does "space" does space have an end an edge, a border ..??? where?? Was space itself created or was it always present??
We know it's there now, we don't know if there was a time when it wasn't!
---1st_cliff on 4/10/10

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In contrast to the question above, 24 hr. time is not universal time neither is it common but only reconed by the people on this earth.
Another inhabited sphere will have it's own reconing of time.
In this universe, 18 days 6 hours 2 and 1/2 minutes equals one day of earth time.But neither is universe time equal to paradise time which 1000 years paradise time minus 7 minutes 3 1/2 seconds is equal to one day of earth time.
---earl on 4/10/10

Warwick, Why do you insist that time has a beginning and end?
Your time starts when you're born and ends when you die, for others time continues!
Eccl.1.4 Generations come and ..go but the earth remains forever" You measure eternity by where you are in the midst of it.. always relative to when and where you are!
---1st_cliff on 4/10/10

Cliff: I'm not tracking with you on this one. You obviously are a 5th grader. :)

Warwick: I agree wholeheartedly!

Michael: Good! How then does the Bible show the creation of time in our solar system?
---Leon on 4/10/10

\\Time is a fixed, measurable thing. Time is measured in finite units, always with a beginning and an end. But how do you measure eternity which has no beginning, or end?\\

Actually, the very word "eternity" means "outside of time: e - terna."

But this is what Jesus promises in John 3:16--"e-ternal life": the kind of life that God Himself has. Not only quantitatively different but qualitatively different as well.
---Cluny on 4/10/10

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time,is a perception unique to the human race.We scurry about with our schuedles and monitor our comings and goings based on it,though no other of Gods creatures wear time pieces,or carry cell phones to help them monitor their just how important is this perception?well today is the day,and now is the time of your salvation.I would say the key component in time is your mind,the real issue is human beings emphasis the value of time drastically to high,why?,jesus stated it quite well,we are as a puff of smoke,here today gone tommorrow.well thats all the time I have for this answer,ha ha ha
---tom2 on 4/10/10

Time only exists in the physical realm and any interaction to the physical realm.
Time was created when the physical realm was created.
---MIchael on 4/9/10

Cliff you are entitled to your views, as we all are. However we are speaking Biblically here so I ask you to give Biblical support to your view that "Time has always existed."

A light year is not a measure of time but of distance: the distance light travels in a year.

Time is a fixed, measurable thing. Time is measured in finite units, always with a beginning and an end. But how do you measure eternity which has no beginning, or end?
---Warwick on 4/9/10

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