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Why Was Paul Needed

Jesus already had twelve Apostles why did He call Paul?

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michael_e --
I understand your first four points. But what are you trying to say about Paul in referring to 1 Tim 1:16?
---Donna66 on 5/1/10


Man's so called great commission
Mk. 16:14-18 baptism a must
Mt. 28:16-20 vs 20 what did Jesus teach them? law
Christ was born, lived and died under Law.

Christ made us a pattern to follow

1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting
---michael_e on 5/1/10


Michael e--HOW was Paul's commission so different from that of the apostles (except the command to baptise)?

2Cr 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation,
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
---Donna66 on 5/1/10


His sheep hear His Voice and He speaks to us by the word also if you love Him you will keep His commandments===>THE GREAT COMMISION
---Jack on 5/1/10


There are people who like to argue about doctrine of men using scriptural words. That is not me.

Take good care!
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10




Jesus could add anyone he wants. he had more then just the 12 apostles as far as ministering, he also had the 70 he sent out, & in luke 10:17 it speaks of them, but the 12 disciples were the leaders or sheperds over them like Jesus was to the disciples & to us.
---candice on 4/30/10


Donna66 Are you saying this command was for nobody but the eleven original disciples? Was Paul exempt from the great commission that we follow even today?
I didn't say it,
The verse speaks for itself Jesus was speaking to the 11 vs 16 Did they teach all nations? Acts 8:1 answers that. No
Was this commission given to Paul? If so where and when?

2 Cor 5:18 Paul's commission, our commission
---michael_e on 4/30/10


---aka_joseph on 4/30/10 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body (OF WATER?),whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Eph.4:5 One Lord, one faith,one (spiritual) baptism

why did the 12 not carry out their commission?) Acts 8:1)
---michael_e on 4/30/10


---aka_joseph on 4/30/10 Dispense with your dispen(sen)sationalism.
You might want to check your spelling, your Apostle spells it different.
1 Cor.9:17 dispensation of the gospel
2.Eph. 1:10 That in the dispensation
3.Eph.3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
4.Col. 1:25 according to the dispensation
---michael_e on 4/30/10


michael e --"Go ye(who is the Ye, the 11 disciples of vs 16 ) therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.", which is part of the Gospel of Christ

Are you saying this command was for nobody but the eleven original disciples? Was Paul exempt from the great commission that we follow even today?

He did a lot of "teaching", very little "baptizing". He was accepted by the other apostles and did not consider his ministry unique. I Cor 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
---Donna66 on 4/30/10




Dispense with your dispen(sen)sationalism.

1 Corinthians 12:

13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10


All of Matt.28:19 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, ....
So, by implication and honesty, we can see that the commission was actually the same thing.
Good try, though.
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10

With further implication and honesty context bear out that "nations" above is in reference to the "nations" race/ethnos of Israel. All thirteen. Paul,chosen understood this better than anyone.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

15:24 But He answered and said, I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 4/30/10


Matt.28:19(under law) says, "Go ye(who is the Ye, the 11 disciples of vs 16 ) therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.", which is part of the Gospel of Christ (why did the 12 not carry out this commission?)Acts 8:1)
Paul Baptized a few very early in his ministry, later on none, he went into the synagogues early in his ministry.
The commissions aren't even close, as right division clearly shows.
Nice try though
---michael_e on 4/30/10


Michael_e,

Your argument is convincing, but I think you are using a commom practice of doctrine based on a single verse and a half-verse.

Paul said that he was not sent to baptize, but if you read the whole chapter, you see that Paul did just that. He was simply trying to emphasize the gospel of Christ over the baptism of men.

All of Matt.28:19 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." , which is part of the Gospel of Christ.

So, by implication and honesty, we can see that the commission was actually the same thing.

Good try, though.
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10


Paul and the 12 were different:
1.Paul couldn't be the 12th. Acts 1:21-23 companied with us all the time
John's baptism until ascension John 15:27.

2.Paul commission different.
PAUL: ICor. 1:17 "Christ sent me NOT to baptize." No one, under Christ's post-resurrection instruction could say this.
THE 12: Matt.28:19 Go ye ...baptizing,

3.I Cor. 15:5,8 Paul distinguishes himself from the 12. "And that he (Christ) was seen of Cephas, THEN OF THE TWELVE.. last of all he was seen of me also." Inspired Word of God, the final authority, settles the issue. The 12 saw the resurrection of Christ-and Paul wasn't one of them!

By Scripture, Paul's ministry was separate and distinct from the 12
---michael_e on 4/30/10


aka, I agree with you 100% that the Apostle Paul was the link in the Jew and Gentile as being one. That is part of the Mystery of the Gospel which people seldom, if ever hear in Churches, Ephesians 3:1-13.
---Rob on 4/26/10

Rob,aka...what we've never been exposed to by the denoms is that the Nations/Race-Ethnos of the Nth House of Israel are the gentiles referred too here. Your analysis is correct to a degree...but, analysis always needs scriptural witness. Do all prophets support your conclusion? Well, no they don't. Do all the apostles? Well...the RCC's make it appear too....but, what value is that without GODs spokespersons...the prophets? None. Heb8:8.
---Trav on 4/27/10


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Regarding Matthias and Paul:

Matthias was chosen by the casting of lots by man (no hearing required). Paul was chosen by God (revelation required). Man took one of the best and put him in the running. God took one of the worst from his mother's womb and called him by grace. Matthias is never heard of again. Paul wrote 14 books of the New Testament and was given as a pattern for those who would come afterward. The old way of choosing was forever done away with the coming in of a better covenant built on better promises. So....there are twelve. God's calling now is a calling by grace. Anybody casting lots for a replacement is fooling around with something that will never be heard from again.
---Linda on 4/27/10


aka, I have to commend you because you come across as a person who carefully and diligently examines scripture.

If you ask most people in so called churches about Mathias, they won't have a clue.
---Rob on 4/27/10


Thanks, Trav.
---aka_joseph on 4/27/10


Well, remember one was a devil......Paul, too, was set apart for the gospel of God. Paul was a chosen instrument of Jesus to bear His name, also, and before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel....Acts 9:16>>>"For I wll show him how much he must suffer for my name's sake". Praise the "living God"
---catherine on 4/27/10


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Rob, But we cannot forget that as it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end. in Rev, 12 apostles are represented like the twelve tribes of Jacob. So, the number 13 is not supported. ...
It does not add up yet.
---aka_joseph on 4/26/10

There are thirteen tribes in physical reality....Ephaim/Mannasseh are two counted as one. Physically they made up two distinct nations.
Ezekiel 37:19
Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
---Trav on 4/27/10


12 Apostles for the prophetic, 12 tribes

1 Apostle for the Mystery, Body of Christ
---michael_e on 4/27/10


Rob, But we cannot forget that as it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end. in Rev, 12 apostles are represented like the twelve tribes of Jacob. So, the number 13 is not supported. i have to read again, but i believe there was an issue with the tribe of Dan and Levi.

In the NT, We can see the issue with Judas, but Mattias and Paul make 13.

It does not add up yet.
---aka_joseph on 4/26/10


aka, I agree with you 100% that the Apostle Paul was the link in the Jew and Gentile as being one. That is part of the Mystery of the Gospel which people seldom, if ever hear in Churches, Ephesians 3:1-13.

But if you carefully examine scripture, you will see there were 13 true Apostles appointed by Christ. All others who claim to be an Apostle of Christ are False Apostles, -2 Corinthians 11:13-15.
---Rob on 4/26/10


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Thank you Donna66, but, according to the gospel of 1stcliff, there is no such thing as man's spirit, just his breath, so I was wondering how the physically dead coul bury their dead, since 1st cliff doesn't believe in spiritually dead.
---MIchael on 4/26/10


BTW - I know that sounds like faulty logic because of the addition of Matthias in Acts 1. But, Paul is considered an Apostle and there are not 13 in Rev. So?
---aka_joseph on 4/26/10


What better person than Paul, being a Roman citizen, and a Israelite, to bring together, Gentile and Jew,(Eph. 2:12-18) making a new man, that was neither Gentile or Jew, but a member of the Body of Christ.
Through Paul's writings, the risen Christ gives us a pattern (1 Tim.1:16)that we are able to follow.
---michael_e on 4/26/10


Michael-- Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

This was the reply of Jesus to a would-be follower who asked extra time to bury his father before following Jesus.

I believe Jesus was saying, in effect, "let the "spiritually dead" take the responsibility to bury the "physically dead." The man who had been spiritually re-born was not needed for this purpose, but to spread the Gospel.
---Donna66 on 4/26/10


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Trav? Does anyone know where Trav is?

After Judas' fall, He only had eleven. I would say that he was needed to complete the number of Apostles mentioned in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which was the number of the 12 tribes of Jacob.

Also, Paul was a link to the Gentiles that made us one, thus fulfilling John 3:16.
---aka_joseph on 4/26/10


When Paul was persecuting the Christians, he deceptively thought that he was doing right. His thoughts were, "the Christians are the bad enemies, and we have to get rid of them." It took awhile, while he went into many Christian homes and had the families arrested (Acts 8:1-4). But on the road to Damascus he seen the light and the truth (Acts 9:1-9). This occurence reminds me of Balaam sent to curse the Israelites (Numbers 22:10-35), and his donkey crushes his foot against the wall. As Balaam was going to go curse the Israelites his foot gets crushed, and as Paul was going to persecute the Christians Jesus tells him, "I am Jesus whom you persecute: that hard for you to kick against the prickles."
---Eloy on 4/26/10


Oh my! I haven't even read the responses to this question but I cannot imagine why anyone would not see the necessity of Paul! Since he did not actually know Jesus while he lived on earth and was a persecutor of Christians, what better selection by God to witness to Gentile people. He was one of the greatest of witnesses to all people including Jewish. He was called as an apostle to the gentiles however. Paul was passionate when he was against Christ and probably due to his ability towards passion and sincerity, was chosen by God to work FOR God in spreading the good news of JESUS CHRIST. This radical change from anti to pro-Christ allowed the people an experience with one they could relate to. If HE BELIEVED, then maybe it was all true.
---jody on 4/25/10


Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
--That must be pretty hard for the dead, the absence of life, bury the dead, the absence of life.
Mat 22:31-33 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. And when the multitude heard [this], they were astonished at his doctrine.
--But aren't they dead, having the absence of life? not living? How astonishing!
Maybe someone is erring in life about death.
---MIchael on 4/25/10


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Ger, Satan is a liar and a deceiver. For you to write that the Apoatle Paul was a Religous innivator is in direct contradiction of scripture.

Please remember that Christ Himself rebuked those who were, or had the form of being religous.
---Rob on 4/25/10


1Cliff, "The resurrecton of the Dead" who were they if they were not the dead people?
You also say,
"You need to study about the fact that the only thing that leaves the body at death is your last breath!"
you cannot be speaking from experience, or that someone who died told you.
Lets give this a try. All humans have the same parts, or at least most every part. Yet every human is moved by something that is not the same as everyone. Some are moved by this invisibe something to do different things. Because all the material matter is the same. That which guides us is the Spirit. Something that is not physical. That is different in each one of us. That does not die.
---MarkV. on 4/25/10


1Cliff -- A dead body begins to decompose (decay) immediately after death, for a few hours it may not be apparent to the casual observer, It will certainly "stink" by 4 days. believe me.

Jhn 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been [dead] four days.

When Christ brought Lazarus back to life, decomposition was instantly reversed, there was therefore no more "stink".

No disciple recognized Jesus immediately after He arose from the dead, BECAUSE it did not occur to anyone that He really WOULD come back to life! (despite what He had told them) Thus they assumed He must be the gardener.
---Donna66 on 4/24/10


Mark V: Hell is a whole 'nuther subject.
You need to study about the fact that the only thing that leaves the body at death is your last breath!
Regardless of what happens to the body God can and will "remake" one for you when you are resurrected.When you're dead you are completely dead not just semi-conscious in some kind of suspended animation!
Death is the "absence" of life!
If you're still conscious then there's no such thing as death, and the bible lies!
---1st_cliff on 4/24/10


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1Cliff, you are trying to rationalize the works of God. His work is supernatural. How can He even save anyone spiritually? You are trying to rationalize the works of God. When a person is raised from the dead it will not be his old body, it will be a body prepared already from the old one, either glorified or not but a body. Even if those parts do not existed anymore. Can you rationalize that? Of course not. Can you use rational thinking with hell? of course not, but we know its there because God told us it is there.
The Sadducees were known for their denial of things supernatural. They denied the resurrection of the dead. They were rationalist, Pharisees were legalist.
---MarkV. on 4/24/10


---Rob on 4/24/10 What is sad is the fact people sit in churches week after week, month after month, and year after year, yet they are clueless regarding the MYSTERY.

thank you Rob
---michael_e on 4/24/10


Mark V, Cremation is popular today,many have died at sea, eaten by creatures, the body begins to decays within a week,when buried!
Jesus was dead less than 3 days, Lazarus 4 days, even at that Lazarus no longer "stunk" .
When walking just after resurrection,those walking with Jesus didn't recognize him after knowing him for 3 years! (they thought he was a gardener)
His body would have been beaten up from the whipping, scourging,piercing etc..! He had to produce holes in his hands to convince Thomas!
---1st_cliff on 4/24/10


The Apostle Paul was sent by Christ Himself to share THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL, Ephesians Chapter Three.

What is sad is the fact people sit in churches week after week, month after month, and year after year, yet they are clueless regarding the MYSTERY.
---Rob on 4/24/10


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Michael on 4/23/10 Where is Jesus' body if it wasn't raised from the dead (resurrected)?
Good question.

1Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. (and we are wasting our time)
Thank God HE arose.
---michael_e on 4/23/10


Where is Jesus' body if it wasn't raised from the dead (resurrected)?
---MIchael on 4/23/10


1 Cliff, do not understand your point, It is a dead body that is buried. Are you saying that the dead body never resurrects and a spirit or soul is dead, and it will be resurrected?
Or, in your opinion who is dead? I believe it is the resurrection of the dead body.
When Martha talked to Jesus about Lazarus, he was dead. His body was dead, and Jesus answered "I am the resurrection and the life, He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" And if you go to Job, he also mentions this very thing. He knew his life would be over and he would die. And wanted a book or for someone to engrave on a rock with an iron pen,
---MarkV. on 4/23/10


1Cliff 2:
He said he knew his Redeemer lives. And in Job 19:20 he says,
"And after my sin is destroyed this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God, Whom I shall see for myself and my eyes shall behold and not another"
Job had no hope left for this life, but was confident that "after" he was dead, his Redeemer would vindicate him in the glory of a physical (in my flesh) resurrection in which he would enjoy perfect fellowship with the Redeemer. So to my understanding the resurrection is of the dead body. Or else Job would not see Christ his Redeemer in the flesh.
---MarkV. on 4/23/10


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Mark V: Popular beliefs are mostly of pagan origin and people believe "because everybody does"
"Resurrection of the body" does not appear in scripture, the body is not resurrected, the dead person is!
Notice Jesus always says "resurrection of the dead" not body. Body is assumed because of the pagan belief in the soul's immortality!
---1st_cliff on 4/23/10


1Cliff, I do believe in the resurrection of the body, and that it has not taken place. I do study Cliff, for about four hours a day. I have been a Christian for a little over 20 years now. We do have Bible studies but no one teaches his agenda. We read a book, and take what that book says from beginning to end. Cover every detail about what is happening (context), to whom, and the meaning God has for the passage. I do not believe every man, for man fails, and God never fails. So I listen to what they say, compare to Scripture and go with that. I do not underestimate the enemy for a minute.
---MarkV. on 4/22/10


Mark V, Change from mortal to immortal,yes, but not at death but rather from being resurrected! The resurrection has not yet taken place.
I don't know how long you have been Christian, but the reason for bible study is to find the truth.
Do you believe everything people tell you??
Satan is at work and he's not stupid.
Underestimating the enemy is a fatal mistake , one of the first things you learn in the military!
Jesus also warned us!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/10


1Cliff, you are correct on the passage of Acts 22:9. Very well done and I missed that for sure.
Immortality, I do believe we will be change from mortal to immortality. From corruption to incorruption. That is written in the Word of God. Cliff, when you suggest that one portain of Scripture is wrong as you have accusing Paul, then you have no way of knowing that other sections are also false. If if you have those other areas then the word of God is not to be believed. And if it not to be believed, then there is no hope, and if no hope, no salvation.
Now you might believe all that but I sure don't. Your believes of Paul corrupt your believes in the rest of Scripture. And as I have seen you question Scripture anyway all the time.
---MarkV. on 4/21/10


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Mark V: I think you should read Act.22.9. where it clearly states that "they did not UNDERSTAND the voice" before trying to discredit me!
If you subscribe to the false doctrine of immortal soul, that's your privilege,but consider that soul is mentioned over 800 times and not once says it's immortal, deathless or never dieing!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/10


Cecil--According to your reasoning, nobody but the twelve were needed to spread the Gospel.
I don't recall that Matthew Ch 1 to Ch 28 ended with God saying "just you 12, no converts may preach or teach."

You believe the "Great Commission"
was meant for us too don't you? But you think it wasn't meant for Paul? The apostles accepted him. Peter, Barnabus and others worked along side him...they must have believed he was called as they were.

The early churches had some problems, and so do churches today. But most were (and are) due to fallen human nature, not by differences between what the other apostles taught and what Paul taught.
---Donna66 on 4/19/10


1Cliff, your attempt to discredit Scripture concerning Paul is wrong. You said the men heard but did not know about what. You misquote Scripture. It clearly says the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. It does not say they didn't know what Jesus said. When Paul arose and his eyes were opened he saw no one. Yet when he got up the men led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus without been told by Paul. The men must have heard Jesus tell Paul to go into the city, the reason the men led him there.
The rest of your rebuttal is also wrong and you want to discredit him because you do not believe in immortality and absent from the body present with the Lord.
---MarkV. on 4/19/10


Why was Paul needed? Because until The Ascended Christ called him, salvation for gentiles was almost non-existent. Christ in His earthly ministry dealt primarily with Israel, under Law. Matt.10:5,6 Matt.16:24 Rom. 15:8.
---michael_e on 4/19/10


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Donna- I know that God does not limit our calling I am only pointing out PAULS confusion.HE is claiming exclusivity not I.
Quoting Pauls own words does not help his case.Somewhat like tootin your own horn.Paul caused a lot of confusion in the church by bringing the same extremism he had persecuting the church into the church.Jesus told the APOSTLES Go to all nations TEACH THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS I COMMANDED YOU.Read Matthew Ch 1 to Ch 28.Obey all Jesus commands you dont need Paul
---cecil on 4/18/10


"they didn't stake out a claim and view all others as competitors."
You are absolutely correct Donna, as witnessed by Paul himself.

"Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of 'Apollos'," or "I am of 'Cephas' (Peter)," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul [or any of the Apostles]? For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours:" 1Cr 1:12>1Cr 3:4>1Cr 3:6>1Cr 3:21,22
---joseph on 4/18/10


Cecil -- When God called Paul, HE didn't say Paul was The ONLY one chosen to reach the gentiles. HE didn't say that Peter was the ONLY one sent to the gentiles. The two often worked together

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Apparently, Peter and Paul split the work of the ministry by a mutual agreement. Unlike so many churches today, they didn't stake out a claim and view all others as competitors.
---Donna66 on 4/17/10


Nobody denies that Paul was changed.He is not an apostle.He also was confused.
In Galatians 2:8 Paul claims
The one who made Peter an apostle to Jewish people also made me an apostle to people who are not Jewish

But Acts 15v7
After a lot of debating, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know what happened some time ago. God chose me so that people who aren't Jewish could hear the Good News and believe.
Paul claims that he was sent to the Gentiles and Peter to Jews.

But Peter who actually was with Jesus took instructions from Jesus and
Not some illusion says quite the opposite.
---cecil on 4/17/10


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Of course Paul was not immediately or eagerly accepted. He had been a persecutor of Christians!
And Paul had to take some time to study and mature.
BUT God revealed HIS choice of Paul
when he spoke to Ananias
Act 9:15-16 But the Lord said unto him(Ananias), Go thy way: for he(Saul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Paul suffered attempts to discredit him throughout His ministry, but he remained faithful to his call. He was eventually accepted by the other apostles in Jerusalem.
And making his writings part of canon was surely no mistake.
---Donna66 on 4/16/10


Paul was a wanna be apostle.
1Cor9v1"Am I not an apostle? Verse 2 even if I am not one to others certainly I am to you.
1 Tim 2 v 7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I
am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. ...
Paul was not accepted as an apostle.He does not fit the criteria that is stipulated in Acts 1 v 21 and 22
21 He must be one of the men who accompanied Jesus with us the entire time that the Lord Jesus was among us.

22 This person must have been with us from the time that John was baptizing people to the day that Jesus was taken from us."
This was said in choosing a replacement for Judas
---cecil on 4/16/10


2Pet 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, As also IN ALL HIS EPISTLES, speaking in them of these things,SALVATION) in which are some things hard to be understood,(Peter why are these things hard to understand? Because they are different than you were taught? )which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction
---michael_e on 4/15/10


Act 9:15-16 But the Lord said unto him(Ananias), Go thy way: for he(Saul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
2Pet 3:15-16 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Peter called Paul's epistles scripture.
---MIchael on 4/13/10


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The Scriptural answer to this question is not hard to find.
"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office" (Rom.11:13).

Paul, by revelation brought to Gentiles salvation by faith plus nothing.
(1Cor 15:1-4)

The apostle Peter acknowledges this late in his life 2Pet.3,15,16

Why did Christ call Paul? To take Salvation to the Gentile.
---michael_e on 4/13/10


Ez18:4
Behold,all souls are Mine,as the soul of the father ,so also the soul of the son is Mine:the soul that sinneth,it shall die.
Ecc12:7
Then Shall the dust return to the earth as it was,and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.
---char on 4/13/10


I think I'm the only decenter on this subject on here,
Paul was not necessary then or now, he was a Pharisee, opportunist who hijacked the Christians and led them to believe the lie
Lie= immortality of the soul.
"in the body or out of the body"
"absent from the body ,present with the Lord"
That's why Jesus called the Pharisees "off-springs of the devil"
No one heard the "alleged" conversation between him and Jesus. They herd him speaking but didn't know about what!Look it up!
---1st_cliff on 4/12/10


Paul was the "hostile witness." When in court, if an enemy of the defendent is called and provides testimony which contributes to proving the innocence of the defendent, he is considered "hostile" because he is an enemy. And because he would not purposefully support or help the defendent...therefore his testimony in favor of the defendent carries a lot of weight with the court.
Remember Saul?
---Elaine on 4/11/10


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Paul chosen-example of slumber-two types in one.
From the tribe of Benjamin-Rom11:1-taught by foremost Jewish educators-Acts5:34-committed to Hebrew Scriptures-believed-he was doing the will of God-until-God blinded him in order to see-truth.
Rom11:1-8...According as it is written,"God hath given them the spirit of slumber,eyes that they should not see...
He was blind spiritually-then-exposed to the Light-he was given sight.
Acts9:15
But the Lord said unto him,"Go thy way,for [he]is a chosen vessel unto Me,to bear My name before the Gentiles,and kings,and the children of Israel:
Act13:21
From the tribe of Benjamin-"Son of my right Hand"
God used Paul for the unity in brotherhood-Ensign-of His tribe.
---char on 4/11/10


Paul was willing to do what God told him to do. You too can choose to do the same. Isaiah 29:16, 45:9, Matthew 7:21, 25:21, 23, 34-40, John 7:16-18, 12:49-50, Acts 13:22, Romans 9:20(!)-24.
---Glenn on 4/11/10


Paul, called outside of Israel, Apostle to Gentiles introducing BoC,
The 12 called inside of Israel Apostles to the Nation of Israel, 12 tribes.
During Christ's earthly ministry, Jesus nor His 12 ministered to the Gentiles as such. Christ came to minister to the nation Israel. Rom. 15:8 is clear. This verse can help open our understanding of God's Word

Acts 2:16 Peter proclaims Prophecy,
"But THIS IS THAT WHICH WAS SPOKEN BY THE PROPHET JOEL."

Compare
Mystery:
Eph. 3:2-5. "if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you: ".. BY REVELATION HE MADE KNOWN UNTO ME THE MYSTERY..." "WHICH IN OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN UNTO THE SONS OF MEN..."
---michael_e on 4/11/10


I agree with tom2.
I agree with joseph except for 'articulate'
1Cor 2:1-4 I believe Paul not to be very articulate, but when preaching the gospel, the Holy Spirit showing the power and wisdom of God.
I disagree with FB. I believe Paul was in God's plan all along, not just a back-up as if Christ's plan had failed, that He chose the wrong apostles first, nor that the apostles failed in accomplishing what God had for them.
---MIchael on 4/10/10


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The Twelve were selected to spread the Gospel to the Jews, plus Jesus said to these men, "you who have followed Me will also sit on the twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (in Matthew 19:28) Paul had been voting for Christians to be executed (Acts 26:10), then Jesus received him to minister to the Gentiles (Acts 26:15-20), so that Jesus could use such a sinful man as His example-sample of how God can forgive and change any evil person (1 Timothy 1:12-17). *After* Paul was in the church (Acts 9) with his gift of apostleship to the Gentiles, Peter *then* was used to begin the ministry of the Holy Spirit to the first Gentiles (Acts 10). Then Paul did his job, while Peter did his with the Jews (Galatians 2:8).
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/10/10


I believe for 2 reasons, at least.

1. He called him to be an apostle to the gentiles because, the disciples were ill equipped by education and background to "go into all the world".
Paul spoke several languages and was unencumbered. Thus he was able to carry the Gospel through Asia Minor to Rome, where he was already a citizen. ( However, other disciples we are told, took the Gospel south to Egypt and Africa.)

2. He had such a dramatic turn-around in his life due to his Salvation and his experience with the Living Lord, that those who knew him (and there were many) must have been truly astonished. His "newness of life" would have been very apparent to those who might have questioned his experience.
---Donna66 on 4/10/10


"Jesus already had twelve Apostles why did He call Paul?"
Because Paul was better suited to present the gospel to the gentiles. He was a Roman citizen, highly educated secularly and religiously, articulate, well versed in a variety of languages, and motivated to whatever he considered his duty or cause to the point of extreme zealousness and determination.
---josef on 4/10/10


The original apostles heard the great commission but did not implement it effectively. Christianity was becoming introverted and Sargent It had progressed out of Jerusalem to a few other locations. It was the congregation at Little Antioch that sent Paul and Silas out not Jerusalem Christians. Christ effectively had to use a backup plan the people who he originally pick were not doing the job right. So he picked Saul who was an educated Pharisee got his attention by literally knocking him off his horse and blinding him, totally retraining him about Christianity and having the Little Antioch sponsor a mission team. Paul got the message of Christ of of Pasistine into the know world of Rome. Without Paul we would not even know who Christ was today.
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/10/10


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I believe that paul was used of God to build the faith of the world in christ as a witness to the world of the holy spirit through a drastically changed life from persecutor of christians, to a devoted follower,and disciple of jesus christ.
---tom2 on 4/10/10


Paul was a great religious innovater. I guess God called him to bring the faith to the Gentiles. That's what Paul tells us. But I don't think the apostles in Jerusalem ever liked Paul very much...
---ger.toshav on 4/9/10


Ask Jesus. He'll be able to tell you better than anyone else.
---Cluny on 4/9/10


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