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Are Shriners Christian

Are the "SHRINER'S" Christian people or not. Can any one show proof either way?

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Where is the information about the symbols coming from ? Because there is no TRUTH in it. The crescent and the star only represent the month of fasting and charity . This is off of the lunar calander which represents the month of Ramadan . ( nothing about praising a "moon God " Allah means God in Arabic . So if you are a middle eastern Christian you would Say Allah when speaking about God . The Moors who ruled Spain for almost 500 years where a nation of many religions who lived in peace trading knowledge for years until the fall of the empire . Shriners are all about fun, love , and prosperity .
---Truth on 4/2/16


All I know about Shriners is that they found hospitals and drive funny little cars in parades.
---john1944 on 1/1/16


\\ I am a Mason and have been for 50 Yrs. Read your Bible your narrow minded people. You do not know or understand what you are talking about. PROUND TO BE A MASON\\

Do you remember being called a "poor blind candidate" as you stood outside the door of the Blue Lodge in the EA degree?

Why were you a "pbc?" Because you lacked Masonic light.

If you knew the Bible, you would know it says, "CHRIST shall give you light," not Masonry.

Happy New Year!
---cluny on 1/1/16


for all of gods work you have done, why is the masons scared of recognizing jesus christ?? im 85, and thru deep prayers jesus who put you on this earth, whether you believe it or not, has continualy answered my prayers constantly. HE IS REAL, EVEN IF YOU DONT SEE HIM. MASONS, HE IS FOR REAL
---RUDYANGELONI on 12/16/15


The Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (to give its full name) is an organization of Masons.

Their whole schtick is pretending to be mahometans.

They use the VERY words that would be considered evidence of being one in a mahometan country.

Draw your own conclusions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15




what I can tell you is Shriner's saved me 62 yrs ago & has saved billions of children without cost to their families. I have seen so called Christian families bulling & HATEFUL REMARKS to deformed children. Don't judge what God should judge. It seems the Christians on this site are so self righteous that they don't see these are God's children that he created as doctors & nurses helping children. Where will you go for your child's deformity or burns? The best or a doctor who charges you 5 times more than he should because he says he is a Christian. Let God put his wrath on them if they are DEVIL WORSHIPPERS & BLESS THESE GREAT DOCTORS & NURSES FOR THEIR DIVINE WORK.
---nataunae on 3/21/15


Any person that calls themselve a Christian and is yoking in a Covenant relationship with Shriners / Mason / Freemason is in darkness. Read and comprehend the Holy Bible. The Word of God is very clear - be ye not unequally yoked. For a believer to yoke in brotherhood with a Muslim, Buddhist, Witches - is a sin.
---Rev on 3/4/13


Family, my husband that secret life, got the baby with "so - called best friend", dedicated to the shriners more than God, told me, always believe Lucifer above God, he just using church get money, was very evil, he said " you better get with the program I am God, far as you are concerned, you worship me because I can have you taken out! So, you better do what I say if you know what good for you!" I had a little cash saved up! So afraid ran away I was pregnant. He try to beat me. I never went back. He swore by the Masons. The bible says " nothing have I said in secret." They taught in church these people are like the Luciferians.
---ELENA on 1/25/13


No, Shriners are not christian. In the end, Shriners hold that Satan is equal to God and that the highest name of God is Lucifer. At each level among the shriners, another name for god is taught. But who knows. It must be true because I read it in a magazine, yes?
---bike on 1/15/13


james spiker, you are no doubt a southern baptist. my friends husband died several years ago. she had no say in his funeral. masons took over and all you could see at the funeral was masons. what a shame.
---shira4368 on 1/12/13




I am a BAptist Minister and have been for 40 yrs. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I have been Baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am not a MUSLIM. I am a Mason and have been for 50 Yrs. Read your Bible your narrow minded people. You do not know or understand what you are talking about. PROUND TO BE A MASON
---James_Spiker_Sr on 1/10/13


Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

According to my sources, a Shriner must be a 32 degree Freemason. All Shriners where a "Fez" which is a red, elongated hat which is adorned with the Muslim crescent moon, star and sword.

"Fez" comes from a city in Morroco that makes these hats and shares the same name. These hats are red because hundreds of years ago Muslims slaughtered 50,000 Christian men, women and children in Morroco and then dipped their hats in the blood and lifted these blood covered hats heavenward giving praise to Allah (the Moon god).

No, Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. In fact, they follow Luciferian doctrine, according to Albert Pike - Grand Inspector General.
---Higgins on 6/12/10


shriners are people with any religion, an atheist cannot be one, if they are born again Christians? probably that is a question you should ask them. to me they are not
---Andy3996 on 6/1/10


Shriners a not MUSLIMS. They may not be Christians either, but a Muslim would not certainly not have anything in common with the shrine or freemasonry.
---Donna66 on 5/29/10


No. Shriners are the Muslim branch of masonry.
---jerry6593 on 5/29/10


\\Cluny I hope it is clear that I am not promoting the Masons. They are involved in a cult like so many others.
My statements come right out of their own books and teachings.
They even have secret underwear that is the same that the Mormons wear.\\

I never said you were. I'm just pointing out the irony of a book called MORALS AND DOGMA on the one hand, and then Masons not being bound to a belief system.

I know nothing about Masonic underwear, beyond it's not part of Blue Lodge.
---Cluny on 5/29/10


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"Which is odd, because the usual definition of "dogma" is what one MUST believe."
---Cluny on 4/28/10
Cluny I hope it is clear that I am not promoting the Masons. They are involved in a cult like so many others.
My statements come right out of their own books and teachings.
They even have secret underwear that is the same that the Mormons wear. They are supposed to provide divine protection. There is a lot of confusion and mistruth in this group.
---Elder on 4/28/10


\\A Muslim can be a Mason if he has a "Holy Book." This is stated in the Mason's book, Morals and Dogmas.
2. "No Freemason is ever required to believe a certain way" \\

Which is odd, because the usual definition of "dogma" is what one MUST believe.
---Cluny on 4/28/10


1. "Personally, I can say on my honor as a man, a Mason, and a Christian, that Freemasonry is devoted to promoting Godly morality and virtue."
SomeUser on 4/23/10
If this were a true statement will someone tell me why the Masons accept everyones "Holy Book?"
A Muslim can be a Mason if he has a "Holy Book." This is stated in the Mason's book, Morals and Dogmas.
2. "No Freemason is ever required to believe a certain way"
SomeUser on 4/23/10
Another lie.
In order to be a Mason one must believe in the Great lights of the temple which is, in their opinion, the Square, the Compass and a Holy Book (of his choice).
---Elder on 4/28/10


\\Personally, I can say on my honor as a man, a Mason, and a Christian, that Freemasonry is devoted to promoting Godly morality and virtue\\

Were Jesus Himself to stand outside the door of an Entered Apprentice lodge, seeking admission, what would He be called?

You know the answer to that question, and since you won't give it, I'll tell the people here: "A poor blind candidate."
---Cluny on 4/28/10


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Someuser -- Thanks for your post. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) the strange things people believe about Freemasonry... almost all from that great authoritative source, the internet.
---Donna66 on 4/23/10
That may be true, but it also comes from ex Masons who have left their order and from their own writings.

I mean, I read "Lucifer is the true light..(and was wrongly cast out of heaven) and is to be worshipped" with my own eyes in their own book...But they get the bye because "not ALL" Masons believe it?
---obewan on 4/23/10


Someuser -- Thanks for your post. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) the strange things people believe about Freemasonry... almost all from that great authoritative source, the internet.
---Donna66 on 4/23/10


Your question is unfair because Masons promise to not reveal the secrets of Freemasonry. We can provide no proof other than our words or public writings. Personally, I can say on my honor as a man, a Mason, and a Christian, that Freemasonry is devoted to promoting Godly morality and virtue. Freemasonry is rooted and founded on Judeo-Christian teachings, allegory, and stories. Some of Freemasonry refers to other religions, many of which pre-date Christianity. There is also much that is philosophical. No Freemason is ever required to believe a certain way or to believe in a certain deity. A Christian who is saved by the blood of Jesus Christ is saved--end of story. Nothing in Freemasonry can take away his salvation through Christ.
---SomeUser on 4/23/10


To be a Shriner, a person has to first be a master Mason, which means taking several blood oaths, and averring to one or more false gods. The Shriner's oath is taken on both the Bible and the Koran in allegiance to Allah. Not excluding their reputation for violating Romans 13:13 and 1Peter 4:3. And there are considerable questions as to why their organization often gives less than half of the money raised for charity to those charitable organizations. For what it's worth, I've heard several stories of ex Masons saying that God told them to quit the Lodge. Exodus 23:13, 1Corinthians 10:21-22, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, Ephesians 5:11-13.
---Glenn on 4/14/10


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\\Cluny---Nothing "clandestine" about Shriners.\\

Donna, the term "clandestine lodge" has a special meaning in Masonry, which is ultimate a hierarchical organization.

Most Grand Lodges in the USA consider the Prince Hall Grand Lodge to be "clandestine".
---Cluny on 4/14/10


Cluny---Nothing "clandestine" about Shriners. They are well accepted in Masonry.
(Regardless of what their origins would imply) In fact, many people think ALL Masons wear those funny "fezes" (pl. "fez"?) on their heads, when it is actually only the Shriners.

The Shrine is a familiar feature of most towns and cities. They excel at parades and other entertainment (e.g. the Shrine Circus). They frequently hold fund raisers in the community for the Masonic Childrens Hospitals.
---Donna on 4/13/10


\\I read about it in the Webster book. It was only a couple of lodges in Europe or England maybe? Some members drafted a statement of (dis)belief and tried to present it at a convention. It was rejected and those lodges split off - like a church split.
---obewan on 4/12/10\\

I'm sure any groups those that split off will be regarded as "clandestine lodges" (to use the technical term).
---Cluny on 4/13/10


\\There are even some Masons who claim to be secular humanists who say there is no God. They have caused friction in some lodges.
---obewan on 4/12/10\\

Which is odd, because belief in some kind of deity is required at the first degree, Entered Apprentice.
---Cluny on 4/12/10

I read about it in the Webster book. It was only a couple of lodges in Europe or England maybe? Some members drafted a statement of (dis)belief and tried to present it at a convention. It was rejected and those lodges split off - like a church split.
---obewan on 4/12/10


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All Shriners are Masons (but not all Masons are shriners). There are many clubs within the shrine that revolve around a particular interest: photograpgy, collecting classic cars, owners of a certain breed of horse,even those who dress as clowns to entertain children.

The meaning of the "Shrine", I can't tell you. Any account of it's origin will be simply a matter of tradition, as is the origin of the Masons themselves.
---Donna66 on 4/12/10


\\There are even some Masons who claim to be secular humanists who say there is no God. They have caused friction in some lodges.
---obewan on 4/12/10\\

Which is odd, because belief in some kind of deity is required at the first degree, Entered Apprentice.
---Cluny on 4/12/10


\\According to the Royal Masonic Cyclopdia, no less than twelve theories have been advanced as to the origins of the Order, namely, that Masonry derived:\\

With so many theories, is it really likely that ANY of them are right?
---Cluny on 4/12/10
My point is that there is competition for a controlling world view even within Masons. Maybe MORE than one theory is true.

I don't intend to join their "secret" order to try to find out.

There are even some Masons who claim to be secular humanists who say there is no God. They have caused friction in some lodges.
---obewan on 4/12/10


\\According to the Royal Masonic Cyclopdia, no less than twelve theories have been advanced as to the origins of the Order, namely, that Masonry derived:\\

With so many theories, is it really likely that ANY of them are right?
---Cluny on 4/12/10


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Cluny:

I stand corrected on the Pope, but explain this:

According to the Royal Masonic Cyclopdia, no less than twelve theories have been advanced as to the origins of the Order, namely, that Masonry derived:

"(1) From the patriarchs. (2) From the mysteries of the pagans. (3) From the construction of Solomon's Temple, (4) From the Crusades. (5) From the Knights Templar....
---obewan on 4/12/10


James 5 v 12.
Theses so called like secret-orders of society
shriner's, moose, elk's etc. NO Christian aspects what soever. They do have their druncken parties & the such like. Sure they may raise funds for some needy etc, & it's All for their name, Not the name of God.
---Lawrence on 4/12/10


\\I did not mean to say they were purged by Catholics - they were under "investigation" by the Catholic church.\\

And that's still wrong. They were investigated by the SECULAR arm.

\\Some of their initiation "rituals" were so-called satanic. For example, some new recruits were told to spit on the cross\\

This is one of the charges against them, and many confessed under torture. There were other charges, corroborated by torture-induced confessions, saying worse things.

But you missed my main point. The Masonic organization called the Knights Templar has no historical or other real connection with the original order, other than imaginary.
---Cluny on 4/11/10


Actually, the purge of the Templars was NOT carried out by the Catholic Church, but by Philip the Fair of France.
---Cluny on 4/11/10

I did not mean to say they were purged by Catholics - they were under "investigation" by the Catholic church.

Some of their initiation "rituals" were so-called satanic. For example, some new recruits were told to spit on the cross.

Now some say it was a test of courage if he refused and that if he did it he did not advance. Others claim that if he DID comply that he advanced to the next level in the "Satanic" order.
---obewan on 4/11/10


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\\Of course, some of the Templars who confessed to being "Satanists" did so under duress and even torture during Catholic inquisitions so the "true" history is now clouded.\\

Actually, the purge of the Templars was NOT carried out by the Catholic Church, but by Philip the Fair of France.

One of the more egregious errors in THE DAVINCI CODE is the claim that after being burned, their ashes were thrown into the Tiber before the Pope. This cannot be true, as this purge took place during the time of the Avignese papacy, and Clement IV was living in Avignon in France.

The Masonic organization called the Knights Templar has nothing to do with the original Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon.
---Cluny on 4/11/10


"Are the "SHRINER'S" Christian people or not".
That would have to be determined individually by simply asking the member if they have believed, acknowledged and confessed Jesus as LORD rather than attempting to Judge or discern it through their fraternal association.
"Can any one show proof either way?" Can proof be shown of anyone? If proof is determined by outward acts, than their dedication to good fellowship, health programs, charitable works ect. could be construed or misconstrued as proof.
---Josef on 4/11/10


Some of the Shriners have traditions tied to the Knights Templar as well as the Freemasons.

The controversy is that SOME of the Knights Templar were said to be Satanists. Since Freemasonry embraces all religions, some of the Masonic writers claim that Lucifer was wrongly cast our of heaven and is the true light.

Of course, some of the Templars who confessed to being "Satanists" did so under duress and even torture during Catholic inquisitions so the "true" history is now clouded.

Google for the book "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" by Webster to learn more.
---obewan on 4/10/10


The Ancient and Mystical Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (to use its full name) is a principally American Masonic organization.

Like most Masonic groups, supposedly one's religion is not an issue. Ostensibly, one can be an adherent of any religion or none.

But what I find especially objectionable about the Shriners is that their whole schtueke (for lack of a better word) is about pretending to be a mahometan.

in fact, use of their various buzzwords would be taken as legal evidence under sharia that a Shriner had in fact converted to mahometanism.
---Cluny on 4/10/10


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Shriners as a group have never claimed to be Christian. There are Shriners who are practicing Jews or claim no particular religion. Shriners are freemasons, and in the USA masons are only required to believe in God, not necessarily the Christian God.
---ger.toshav on 4/10/10


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