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Jezebel Book Causing Divorce

My wife read the book Unmasking the Jezebel Spirit. Now we are facing a divorce. My wife's view of our marriage went sour quickly! She stopped her marriage duties and had a very negative attitude at me about everything.

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Kathr4453:
posted:
...the verse you quoted is not a CONDITION, but actually a STATEMENT, Kind of like saying to your wife, if you Love me you will be faithful.///

I can see why you would say the above, yet:

Christ confirms His condition, IF you keep His commandments you shall abide in my love because for those who have a lot faith in Him for mighty works, but lacked keeping the commandments, hear :
Matt 7:20-23 Surely then by their :fruits ye shall know them Lord, did we not prophesy in thy :name, and in thy :name cast out demons,and in thy :name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess to them [that] I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work: LAWLESSNESS.
---Paul9594 on 4/28/10


KarenD, Rod4him:
Me and Kayla DO have contact, RECENTLY, BECAUSE she communicates to me, She has tried to make this posting and others,andw would not post, so I decided to sign in as PAUL and do the posting for her, did a little deduction so that it would post. There is more to say about her postings, perhaps she will share.

Its sad the one has to go through sometimes, for fairness in the body of Christ!
I have also tried posting Kathr4453's arguements against the mercy in the Law.
I also answered Strongaxe's question in the past, on marriage,was not posted!
Ummm do we wonder about this site, some very quick to judge, incorrectly, KarenD, Rod4him?
---PAUL9594 on 4/28/10


KarenD,Rod4him:

I have also tried to post why I posted Kayla's answer to KarenD, not posted in her attempt, right after my posting of kayla's anwswer to Karend D.
We will see if these post!
---Paul9594 on 4/28/10


KarenD:
U post:

I'd like to speak on him one-on-one and teach him a few things that I haved learned from the Word of God and from the Lord.///

Why don't you answer my simple questions, to teach me? Why wait?

I do wonder why you would side with the part of the church that per your own words don't teach entirely the old testament and the words of Christ. some wonder like Kayla4 said, do you want your position more than true doctrine?
---KarenD on 4/28/10


Rod4Him...That is so funny! But, it does put my mind at ease to realize that Paul9594 has only one followers (himself). I'd like to speak on him one-on-one and teach him a few things that I haved learned from the Word of God and from the Lord. But, he would not listen because I am a woman. Sad! Makes me wonder how he treated his mother and his wife (if he even has one). I also wonder if he also posts under other names of people.
---KarenD on 4/28/10




So... Paul's response sounds like he is impersonating Kayla4.

Paul forgot to sign off as Kayla4.

If I am understanding this right, one can impersonate different people pretending to be someone else supporting themselves.

And this is Christian behavior???
---Rod4Him on 4/28/10


KarenD,
Why suddenly appear on this site and take his side?///

Watching Paul9594 and his contenders, from the beginning of 2010, waiting for someone to break His Presentation of the Bible, they cant.
His presentations dont void Jesus words or Scripture. He brings back so alive all that Christ said to us! I have been verifying this and I have some help!

Challenging questions to him, he answers directly, he does not walk away from questions.
I see Paul humble reasoning the Word, for the truth.

One question stands in my heart, how do you expect me to follow the Larger body who call themselves the true church but do not teach the words of Christ, much less the Law and the Prophets? Even you see this.
---Paul9594 on 4/28/10


Why does Christ say that If we keep His commandments, then our Father's love abides with the Father's Children?
---Paul9594 on 4/27/10


Paul, why does Paul tell us in Romans 8 that NOTHING but NOTHING can separate us from the Love of God In Christ Jesus..

The verse you quoted is not a CONDITION, but actually a STATEMENT. Kind of like saying to your wife, If you Love me you will be faithful. Same with us, If God,s love has been shed abraad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit, Romans 5 THEN the evidence of that will manifest itself.



Perfect LOVE casts out FEAR...fear of losing God's love for one thing.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/10


Paul said this into the age of grace, called so.

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the Way which they call a sect, so serve I the God of our fathers, believing all things which are according to the law, and which are written in the prophets,

Act 24:15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust.

Act 24:16 Herein I also exercise myself to have a conscience void of offence toward God and men always.

...Then Only for you,Paul the Apostle was also not Christian,
---Paul9594 on 4/28/10


\\Cluny:

Thanks for your positive comment.
---Paul9594 on 4/26/10\\

BTW--nothing you've said keeps "The Way" from being an Arian sect, and therefore not Christian.
---Cluny on 4/28/10




KarenD:
A whole town was told about Jesus by the woman at the well. If your idea of a woman not teaching anything was Biblical, then a woman could not witness for the Lord in any way for fear of breaking your laws.///

Woman told her testimony, of what Christ did for her, did not take up a teaching position to teach doctrine.

Paul the Apostle, 25 yrs into the age of Grace, SHOWS us a clear wide set example to be PRACTICED according to the Law, Paul points out.

In1 corinthians 14:33,1 Timothy 2:12:

I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Did Paul also teach His Laws? Teaching women are not to teach, as practiced in ALL church of SAINTS, INTO the Church age?
---Paul9594 on 4/27/10


KarenD:
A whole town was told about Jesus by the woman at the well. If your idea of a woman not teaching anything was Biblical, then a woman could not witness for the Lord in any way for fear of breaking your laws.///

Woman told her testimony, of what Christ did for her, did not take up a teaching position to teach doctrine.

Paul the Apostle, 25 yrs into the age of grace, SHOWS us a clear wide set example to be PRACTICED according to the Law, he points out.

1 corinthians 14:33,1 Timothy 2:12:

I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Did Paul also teach His Laws? Teaching women are not to teach, as practiced in ALL the church of SAINTS, INTO the church age?
---Paul9594 on 4/27/10


Kahtr4453:
U posted:
What you did or are doing or have done Paul is put CONDITIONS on love.

God's love for me is not a conditional love. it is unconditional and everlasting!!!
Pleaseknow the difference!!!///

Umm Lets read Christ's lips:
IF IF IF..you keep His commandments you shall abide in my love.

Umm reads like if we keep His commandments only then we abide in His love.

Why does Christ say that If we keep His commandments, then our Father's love abides with the Father's Children?
---Paul9594 on 4/27/10


Paul9594...I do not think a woman should continue to respect a man if he wants her to do immoral and sinful things such as adultery. I also do not think that a woman teaching Sunday School is a sin and it is not a problem with the Lord. A whole town was told about Jesus by the woman at the well. If your idea of a woman not teaching anything was Biblical, then a woman could not witness for the Lord in any way for fear of breaking your laws. I believe that you are heavily involved in a cult and go into churches to convince them that your cult is right and the pastor is wrong and you try to cause confusion and discord in those churches.
---KarenD on 4/27/10


Kayla4...Are you one of those who Paul9594 convinced to leave their church because they were not teaching what he said was the truth? Why suddenly appear on this site and take his side? If he genuinely knew the truth that no one else knows, then he wouldn't need you to defend him. Or, maybe you are that "submissive" wife who never questions what he says? What if he is wrong? What if the others who taught you before are right? Listen to the Holy Spirit, not him.
---KarenD on 4/27/10


Cluny:

Thanks for your positive comment.
---Paul9594 on 4/26/10


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KarenD,
Your comments:
As a former Mormon, it concerns me that a non-Christian or baby Christian might believe these people.///

Well, if its of such concern to you what a non-Christian and baby Christian might believe Paul9594. Why don't you answer Paul9594's questions? And prove His points unbiblical interpretations?

After all, you teach and preach.

Do you want your position in the Church more than true doctrines?

Your avoidance of Paul9594's questions on point! Gives this away, you don't really understand the subject... of the Word.

Lately, I have been focusing on the Gospels and Jesus' words. I see, the Pharisees walked away from simple questions,that if answered would prove them wrong.
---Kayla4: on 4/26/10


KarenD:

Posted:
People like Paul9594 and catherine are the exact reasons our denomination has a "Statement of Faith" which is not subject to debate.///

With your thinking, Paul the Apostle did wrong in reasoning the Word.

With your thinking, he should have just submitted to the leadership of the day, with their statement of beliefs, which Christ was spoke against and judged in 70 A.D.

With your thinking you and your husband have a Statement of Faith not subject to debate to start another cult that can't be questioned, about their Statement of Faith?

I fear for you double judgment comes to this nation only fa remnant will be saved.
---Paul9594 on 4/26/10


People like Paul9594 and catherine are the exact reasons our denomination has a "Statement of Faith" which is not subject to debate. Why is it that this site has so many individuals who think they are so much smarter and more spiritual than others? What really bothers me is that cults are always started by someone with this egotistical mindset. As a former Mormon, it concerns me that a non-Christian or baby Christian might believe these people.
---KarenD on 4/26/10


Kathr4453:

I have tried to post here a blog where you speaking against the mercy of the Law, and where you learned from me about the mercy within the law.

They will not post it.

---Paul9594 on 4/23/10

Paul9594, Mercy UNDER the Law was CONDITIONAL. it was IF you do this or that then I will do this or that.

However under Grace Mercy is NOT Conditional. The Better Covenant you will NEVER find the words "IF".


Grace is NOT CONDITIONAL Love Period.

What you did or are doing or have done Paul is put CONDITIONS on love.

God's love for me is not a conditional love. it is unconditional and everlasting!!!
Pleaseknow the difference!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/26/10


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Not only have you done all this, Paul9594, but you've remained humble, too.
---Cluny on 4/26/10


KarenD:

Based on your beliefs about me, you will be surprised to know, that I go to ONE church two to three times, a week.

Since, I've started sharing my message (a little over a year)within the so called church today, our Father, has been turning them to the Truth, two churches, through me. :)

The second church,I'm reasoning the truth with now is is receiving it, thanks to the Father!

Also outside the Church I have influenced quiet a few into the Truth. I personally also disciple one brother.

I'm known for reasoning the folly of those things which are held to be the Truth but are not. Who knows I may end in your church next!

---Paul9594 on 4/25/10


So, KarenD, you go to "church" and believe what you want to believe.

Sorry, Karen, I could resist that.

But you seem to define "the church" more than you define Christ.

You'd submit to a pastor if you were single? I assume as you said, until you don't want to anymore. Either you submit or you don't. Submitting isn't submitting if you only submit when you want to.
---Rod4Him on 4/25/10


Paul....So, basically, you don't go to church and just believe the way you want to believe. How long since you've been inside a church for anything other than a funeral or wedding?
---KarenD on 4/24/10


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No I'm not of the Nevada people you used to know that believe as you post.

Instead I'm like Paul:

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the Way which they call a sect, so serve I the God of our fathers, believing all things which are according to the law, and which are written in the prophets,

Act 24:15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust.

Act 24:16 Herein I also exercise myself to have a conscience void of offence toward God and men always.
---Paul9594 on 4/24/10


KarenD
Paul...I did not say you believed that a woman should obey her husband when asked to do ungodly things. I asked what a wife should do. What would you tell a wife who is asked to do such things?///

My answer is the same:

I'm sure you've seen my posting and can tell that, like Paul and the Apostles I uphold the Law in the Church age.

When asked to do things contrary to Law/Word, she should not obey and trangress the Law. And you should not be teaching the Sunday School and preaching/teaching now and then, these are against the Father's will.
---Paul9594 on 4/24/10


Paul...Is that the same "The Way" which believes that we are living in Heaven on Earth today? I used to know some of these people years ago in Nevada.
---KarenD on 4/24/10


Kathr4453:

I have tried to post here a blog where you speaking against the mercy of the Law, and where you learned from me about the mercy within the law.

They will not post it.

But now you act as if you are teaching me about the mercy in the law for the adulteress woman when you learned it from me?!
---Paul9594 on 4/23/10


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KarenD:
U posted:
///As far as my teaching Sunday School, I even preach/teach on occasion as my husband has requested that I do so. Do I disobey him?///

Your husband reuesting you to teach Sunday School and on occassion, asking you to preach/teach, is against The Father's teaching/instructions/Law.

And Just as you would not agree on his request to commit adultery, which is our Father's instruction/teaching in the form of a commandment, in the same way do not agree on teaching.

This is what I say the church should read/study the Torah, and apply it, even as the Apostles did, into the church age.
---Paul9594 on 4/23/10


Dear Kayla4: 1 of 2
U asked:
What is my denomination?//

I'm what the leaders and the majority of the blogers,Church, of today would call a sect...I'm of... The Way.

I workout my salvation with fear and trembling. Philp. 2:12

But for communication's sake, my denomination:
The Way ...of Abraham.

...even as Abraham received the Promise and righteousness by Faith, so do I:

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and he counted it to him for righteousness.

But have many/you been taught the FULL STORY about Abraham's righteousness?
---Paul9594 on 4/23/10


Dear Kayla4: 1 of 2
U asked:
What is my denomination?//

I'm what the leaders and the majority of the blogers,Church, of today would call a sect...I'm of... The Way.

I workout my salvation with fear and trembling. Philp. 2:12

But for communication's sake, my denomination:
The Way ...of Abraham.

Just as Abraham received the Promise and righteousness by Faith, so do I...

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and he counted it to him for righteousness.

But have many/you been taught the FULL STORY about Abraham's righteousness?
---Paul9594 on 4/23/10


Paul...I did not say you believed that a woman should obey her husband when asked to do ungodly things. I asked what a wife should do. What would you tell a wife who is asked to do such things? What would you tell a wife who is being beaten by her husband? These are issues that some Christian wives have to deal with in their homes. As far as my teaching Sunday School, I even preach/teach on occasion as my husband has requested that I do so. Do I disobey him?
---KarenD on 4/23/10


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This is becoming more common today for wives to disobey their husbands, and children to disobey both parents, and students to disobey their teachers, and employees to disobey their employers, and so on and so on. When everybody obeys each other there is what we call harmony, but whenever everybody disses everybody else there is what we call divorce, that is a forced division or a separation of the two that were once together as one. People really should stop buying and reading trash, and start reading the Holy Bible again. God is found in the Bible and the reader thereof will receive great blessings the couple that prays together will edify what God has joined together.
---Eloy on 4/23/10


KarenD:

Still waiting for your answers to my questions, take your pick...

I re-post what you posted for me, even though I answered your question.


///If you don't really want to answer (my)our questions, why are you posting on this blog?///


....ummm. Sometimes I wonder what you teach in Sunday School.

A heavier judgment is for those who teach.

And women should not be teaching in the Church, except for one reason, according to the Torah.
---Paul9594 on 4/22/10


Paul....I find your patronizing comments funny. I also find it strange that you think that none of us (other than you) have ever read The Torah.
---KarenD on 4/21/10


Hi Paul, I'm not sure how to answer your questions but it doesn't mean that I agree with your authoritarian and chauvenistic way of thinking.
---Mary on 4/21/10


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KarenD:

I'm sure you have seen my posts and can tell that I uphold the Law into the CHURCH AGE, as Paul the Apostle did.

How is it the you think, I would CONSENT that a woman follow a man's leadership that leads her into sin, the transgression of the Law?


PLEASE,study the Torah, I see you mean well, and have more wisdom than most. But you still need the founational teaching of the Law and the Prophets, to get rid of some of the apostasy teaching you have learned.
---Paul9594 on 4/21/10


KarenD:

Since I've answered your question. Will you answer my questions?

Since both of us and Christ can see a man or woman can make wrong/ungodly decisions.

Do you think, Christ thinks its best the marriage home be without any real leadership in place, for loves sake?

Should a man receive respect as the leader with His imperfect decision making, even as the imperfect woman expects unconditional love in her position?
---Paul9594 on 4/21/10


Mary:


I'm still waiting for your answer....

I've answered your questions.

I see you keep on posting in other blogs, but you avoid posting the answer to my questions?

Do you not know the answer to my question?

Or with your bettter understanding:

Answer this:
Isn't true that where true authority, leadership is excercised there are consequences for those being insubordinate, disrespectful to this higher authority, leadership?
---Paul9594 on 4/21/10


Kayla4:

I agree with you those who don't understand "fully" the subject they are reasoning/trying to teach, they drop out, by not answering my questions, on point.
They lack the foundation of the Torah, they don't know it!

It is this kind of people should avoid learning from,Some mean well and some are straight out to deceive, no need to name them you can see them on the blogs.

But I see you are heading in the right direction! I saw your posting of what your definition is of a godly man, its great!

You have a faith of power in Christ and not like many todday, who only have powerless faith against sin and walking after the likeness of Christ!

The Father bless you! My denomination? Coming up!
---Paul9594 on 4/21/10


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Mike, another prayer request and a reason we need to remain on our knees.
The moderator asks the key question though the answer is "nothing".

Nothing in this book would cause your bride to seek a divorce from not just you but God, which is why God HATES divorce.

You will find your answer all the way back in Genesis 6, as sadly nothing has changed...

And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Every, only, continually? Your wife needed no help from a book to seek divorce.
---larry on 4/20/10


KarenD:
Did you ever think that some men might be wrong in their decisions?.. ///

My answer reposted, and further expanded, since you missed it.
///Since man or woman can make wrong/ungodly decisions.///

...meaning a man does/can make wrong decisions, even as women do/can.

More answers to your question, reposted:

If woman expects love (respect) in her position with her imperfections.

How is it that the leader cannot expect love, respect, with his leadership imperfections?

In other words, a man in his imperfect decision making position can expect love,respect as the woman with her imperfections ih her position.

My Answers.. reposted, additions only re-word the same answer, I first posted.
---Paul9594 on 4/20/10


alan85656 of uk:
Posted:
I wonder why Paul and his wife separated?

Perhaps she found his "leadership" a bit too much like dictatorship.////

Your reasoning is faulty by implying that perhaps she found my leadeship a dictorship.

Using your faulty thinking:

Perhaps the fault of the divorce rate within the church, being as high as the world, is because women found mens leaderships being also dictatorships?

In your mind if we follow the leadership of Christ's example with His church, it sets a dictatorship?

You display the immaturity of your walk in the Father. I could say more but I do not want to really embarrass you.
---Paul9594 on 4/20/10


Cluny, Those who are Bishops Elders Shepherds Pastors have or oversee a congregation. Peter is talking here about those who do, no matter WHAT NAME YOU want to give them.

So perhaps YOU again are the one trying to make scripture fit YOUR understanding.

Just an FYI, God did not want Israel to have a KING simply because God wanted to be Head and Lord of Israel. However they complained, and God gave them a KING to RULE over them.

In the CHURCH, Christ is our HEAD, and the ONLY RULE over His Children. We have a personal individual relationship with Him, and He deals with us INDIVIDUALLY.

So Cluny, according to MY belief of the Individual Priesthood of a believer, CHRIST is My Lord, My HEAD.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/10


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\\Perhaps Cluny never say THESE verses!!\\

I have.

But YOU said the scriptures say nothing about bishops and presbyters ruling.

Just another of the many cases where you're wrong.
---Cluny on 4/20/10


Perhaps Cluny never say THESE verses!!!

1 Peter 5:2-4
2Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly, not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind,

3Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.

4And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/10


KarenD - if it is direct (against Jesus 2 main laws, or even against the twn commandments) we must say that she should never do it. But I sometimes see listed as God's laws things that I take to be interpretations OF GOD'S laws. These may or may not actually be God's laws, but I see this all too often. This occurs not just as husband to wife, but in any case where one person tells another something to do
---peter on 4/20/10


Paul9594....Please answer my question. What if a husband asks a woman to do something that is against God's laws? For example, what if a husband asks his wife to become involved in an adulterous relationship? Should the wife still submit to her husband? If you don't really want to answer our questions, why are you posting on this blog?
---KarenD on 4/19/10


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I wonder why Paul and his wife separated?

Perhaps she found his "leadership" a bit too much like dictatorship.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/20/10


\\Men are to LOVE their wives, not RULE over them.\\

And wives are only to SUBMIT to their husbands, not even love them. I think men are getting shafted here.

|| And scripture even tells us Bishops or elders are not to RULE over a flock either, but be an EXAMPLE to them||

WRONG!

Apparently these verses are not in your Bible:

1 Timothy 3:4
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,
1 Timothy 3:5
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1 Timothy 5:17
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
---Cluny on 4/19/10


\\During the 1000 year reign CHRIST Himself will rule with a rod of Iron, and Judgement will be swift and quick.\\

There's no such thing as an earthly millennium.
---Cluny on 4/19/10


Paul9594 an apostle!

I feel that I would have to agree with you.

Many women now, just walk all over the head of their household,being submissive to their husbands ONLY when they want to or feel like it.
I'm sorry about your divorce.
Your discourses show you are a great man of wisdom and intelligence. I see quite a few avoiding your simple questions, on point! Which means to me they really can't argue with your presentation of the whole Scripture and lack understanding of the subject.

Keep the good work!

By the way what's your denomination?
---Kayla4 on 4/19/10


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No where are men we told to rule with a rod of Iron over their wives. Christ doesn't even rule me with a rod of Iron, so I believe Paul you have it wrong.

During the 1000 year reign CHRIST Himself will rule with a rod of Iron, and Judgement will be swift and quick. ONLY Christ will have such authority over the NATIONS. It is not a MARRIAGE relationship either. It's Kingdom LAW.

Men are to LOVE their wives, not RULE over them. And scripture even tells us Bishops or elders are not to RULE over a flock either, but be an EXAMPLE to them.

God said LET US REASON TOGETHER!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/19/10


KarenD:
U asked: Did you ever think that some men might be wrong in their decisions?.... ///

Do we think some women might be wrong in their decisions? What if her decision is ungodly?
Since man or woman can make wrong/ungodly decisions.

Does Christ think its best the marriage home be without any leadership in place for loves sake?

In Scripture does Christ say,the Man be the leader only when he can make perfect decisions?

Does Christ say love your wife only when she is perfect? If woman expects love in her position with her imperfections.

How is it that the leader cannot expect love, respect, with his leadership imperfections?

You be the judge, according to His instructions/Torah
---Paul9594 on 4/19/10


karenD:
U asked:
Have you ever been married?///

Yes, I have according to the Father's Word. And I did separate according to the Father's Word. It was at this time that she broke our vows. I'm free to marry again, and she is an adulteress.

Should we not follow the instructions of our Father? Or the instructions of the Churches which void the Father's commandments? How do you advise the Father's children?
---Paul9594 on 4/19/10


Mary:
So what type of "consequences" do you set for her when she is "disrespectful" or "insubordinate"?! She is STILL your wife, not your child.///

Consquences not of sin,like physical abuse. Study Torah that you may understand this.

Do you understand the rebellious nature of woman/man?

Is it that women today are used to the leader of their home, not being able to exercise his authority, leadership and is only a pseudo leader? Make-believe leader?

I will not continue with you on monologue,

Please answer this:
Isn't true that where true authority, leadership is excercised there are consequences for those being insubordinate, disrespectful to this higher authority, leadership?
---Paul9594 on 4/19/10


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So what type of "consequences" do you set for her when she is "disrespectful" or "insubordinate"?! She is STILL your wife, not your child.
---Mary on 4/19/10


Paul...Did you ever think that some men might be wrong in their decisions? What if the decisions is ungodly? Have you ever been married?
---KarenD on 4/19/10


Just curious. What was the theme of this book, Unmasking the Jezebel Spirit?
How did its' message change her view of your marriage?

And are you sure it was the book that changed her attitude and not something else?
---Donna66 on 4/18/10


Mary:
Paul, just how do you suggest a man sometimes rule "with a rod of iron" in his own home?///

Ruling with a rod of iron, is about being firm in having the last word, after talking and still having a disagreement about a decision thats need to be made. The man needs to have the last word and make a decision that is in the best interest for both.

It means setting consequences 4 when she is disrespectful, insubordinate to His leadership.

Whereever there is authority there is consequences for being insubordinate, disrespectful to higher authority, leadership, why not in the marriage? Were there needs to be leadership, authority?

Is there a man of God that considers PHYSICAL ABUSE, a good discipline?
---Paul9594 on 4/18/10


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Paul, just how do you suggest a man sometimes rule "with a rod of iron" in his own home? I hope you're not talking about physical abuse or humiliation are you? Just wondering--thanks
---Mary on 4/17/10


KarenD:

Christ with a submissive church following his teachings rules with gentleness.

But this is not so with the rebellious part of church of today, He will rule with rod of iron.

In the home a man must balance righteousness in his family, with mostly gentleness, but with a rod of iron when need it, even more so with the Jezebel Spirit connected with the unspiritual woman.

Rev 2:27 and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers, as I also have received of my Father:
---Paul9594 on 4/17/10


anon:

How do you know a "spirit of rejection" exists today, other than merely some people's opinions?

Also, in 1 Samuel 15:23, the word "witchcraft" actually means "divination" (the KJV translators use it that way most everywhere else), and the equivalences are translated in reverse order from the Hebrew. So the verse more literally reads:
"For sin of divination is rebellion, and iniquity and idolatry are stubbornness...".
---StrongAxe on 4/17/10


---StrongAxe neither is a spirit of rejection mentioned in the bible (a spirit of rebellion is) Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. (old testament).

But a spirit of rejection isn't mentioned in the bible either and it exists.

The Lord has to give us revelation knowledge on spiritual warfare, how demons operate, how to identify them...this comes with the Gift of Discerning of Spirits. Amen?
Unless one has this GIFT of Discerning of SPIRITS, one can't discern what spirits are causing havoc on a person's life. Why did demons manifest in Jesus's presence?
---anon on 4/16/10


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The Jezebel of Rev. might have been a real woman with that name. It's not impossible.
---Cluny on 4/15/10


anon:

You quoted Revelation 2:20-23, which says, "Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that
woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess...".

This calls her a WOMAN, not a SPIRIT. The original Jezebel was also a woman. The Bible mentions Jezebels who are women, but never Jezebels who are spirits. The notion of a "Jezebel spirit" is thus a man-made invention. (I'm not saying it's right or wrong - I am just saying that it isn't in the Bible.)
---StrongAxe on 4/15/10


Revelation 2:20-23 says, Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that
woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my
servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to
your deeds.
Jexebel is indeed a spirit.
---anon on 4/14/10


\\What I understood is Jezebel was very nasty and critical and a narcissist. So, that had nothing to do with being a woman\\

This is my point.

Being a nasty, critical, prideful narcissist has nothing to do with a demon, such as the totally imaginary Jezebel spirit.

To blame it on a demon is to refuse moral responsibility for one's own actions.

It's not a spirit. It's just being a nasty, critical, prideful narcissist.
---Cluny on 4/13/10


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Maybe she read the book backwards, and it let the supposed Jezebel Spirit into her?

Just kidding.
---Cluny on 4/13/10


Mike...As a woman of God, I want to know what you consider your wife's "marriage duties" to be. To set your mind at ease, I want you to know that my husband is the head of our house, but he does not rule with a rod of iron. He rules with the Word of God.
---KarenD on 4/13/10


What I understood is Jezebel was very nasty and critical and a narcissist. So, that had nothing to do with being a woman. I'm a guy, and it has been
*me*. It can help me a lot to read what is true about different Satanic personalities, like predatory psychos and narcissists and unsocial and anti-social personality types, so I can spot anything about *me*. My problems may not be as severe, but but they can work by the same principles, like how the mechanical principles of a grandfather clock can also be what makes an everyday wristwatch tick.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/13/10


Perhaps she thought that you had the book because you suspected her of having "the Jezebel spirit" - an opinion that would belie a tremendous lack of love and trust.

Such a betrayal could prompt an attitude of "So, you think I'm a Jezebel?! OK, I had better start acting like one then! Then you'll see what a REAL Jezebel is like!"
---StrongAxe on 4/13/10


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This is the final result of superstition.

People end up believing a lie (in this case, the existence of the mythical Jezebel spirit), and it causes troubles.
---Cluny on 4/13/10


Probably some bad stuff going on in the marriage before the wife picked up the book...
---ger.toshav on 4/12/10


People grab hold of popular teaching without realizing it is manmade,not from the Bible. It's sad about your wife but I would guess she had been upset with you and the mariage before she read that book. If she leaves you beacause of anything which isn't in the Bible she sins. Talk to her and try to undestand why she feels that and see if there is anything you can do to change her mind. Pray for her,yourself and the marriage.
---Darlene_1 on 4/12/10


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