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Can You Lose Salvation

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-- Ruben :

you ignore the numbers of scriptures verse that warns [with the present verb IF'S] --Ruben

Brother, You ignore Rom.8:37-39, that the Hearts of God's Children are 'Persuaded' that neither things present [meaning all those scripture IF'S] nor things to come, shall be able to separate us from God's Love in Christ Jesus.... and when all the hearts that are 'Not Persuaded', decides to walk away from God's Children which are the Church, they do so that they might be made manifest they were not all of us who are Sealed with God's Holy Spirit of Promise unto the Redemption of Salvation, b/c if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us. 1 John 2:18-19 AMEN
---ShawnM.T. on 4/20/10


I wanted to say that as long as those who preach salvation by works of the law, and losing salvation by lack of works of the law, keep padding themselves on the back, we will continue to answer the evangelical Christian way.

"That the atoning death of Jesus Christ paid in full the penalty of all our sins, rendering us sinless before God, free of all condemnation, assuring us that upon death we will join the Lord in heaven"
We, cannot receive, through some power alleged to exist in a sacrament. The proper response to God's free offer of pardon is to believe and be baptized into Him in whom salvation is found.
---MarkV. on 4/20/10


I'll tell you how I know God has still got me, I'm still living. Hallelujah. Thank you Jesus, for keeping me....He gets ALL the credit. YES, YES, YES. Ah Jesus.
---catherine on 4/20/10


To be delivered from the wrath of God is future
To have being saved from the foundation of the world is past.
To, we are being saved by being sanctified or made holy by the Holy Spirit- is present.
Sometimes we equate present salvation in terms of our justification, which is present, and future.
---MarkV. on 4/20/10

In what text did you find have been saved from the foundation of the world, or are being saved through sanctification? I ask in ernest, i just have not seen them.
---francis on 4/20/10


Francis, I just wanted to clear something up concerning salvation because you said,
"No one is truely saved yet. WE claim it BY FAITH.
The bible does not say you ARE saved it always says you SHALL BE SAVED."

The Bible speaks of salvation in many senses, and many tenses, terms of the past, present and future.
To be delivered from the wrath of God is future
To have being saved from the foundation of the world is past.
To, we are being saved by being sanctified or made holy by the Holy Spirit- is present.
Sometimes we equate present salvation in terms of our justification, which is present, and future.
---MarkV. on 4/20/10




Just wanted to say,
Amen to Ruben, Nana, Paul and a few others for speaking the truth of God's word.

Char, my sister, thank you so much and God bless you!
---miche3754 on 4/20/10


Nana, let me say that there can never be any unity between the RCC and evangelicals Churches when the doctrines of the RCC, the teachings regarding mass, purgatory, indulgences, baptismal regeneration undermine the one Sacifice of Jesus forever secured the remission of sins. The RCC does not teach the saving gospel as set forth in the Word of God. The gospel state that the atoning death of Jesus paid in full the penalty of all our sins, rendering us sinless before God, free of all condemnation, and assuring us that upon death we will join the Lord in heaven. Jesus offers that forgiveness as a gift, it cannot be earned by the performance of good and noble deeds as if they possessed spiritual collateral.
---MarkV. on 4/20/10


Nana:
U posted:
Because that which should abide in us is not automatic (we are called to let it abide), even as we are also called to abide in Him , if we let not and abide not, we are a prime target to seducing spirits which lead to separation and ensuing apostacy.

Very well said, I wish more would undestand this.

And Great scriptures too.
---Paul9594 on 4/19/10


1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God
--We are saved?
2Cor 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
--Not shall be saved?
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,)
--God's grace?..hath quickened us?.. past tense?
2Tim 1:9a Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling
Already saved us?.. not future?
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
--When we received the Holy Ghost?
---MIchael on 4/19/10


-- Nana :

Brother, I send an Angel before thee, to KEEP thee in the 'Way', and to bring thee into the place which I have Prepared.

Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not... for My name is in him.
Exodus 23:20-21

Nana, You cherry-pick scriptures & apostle's name as witnesses, like a false prophets in sheep's clothing led away with the error of the wicked, who support dogma which does not obey the voice which is sent to keep us in the 'WAY' and bring us unto the place which our Lord has prepared : The Redemption of Salvation.

BTW~Ruben's dogma is the interpretation of parables against the direct & specific Word of our Lord about our Heavenly Father's Will which He shall Fulfill !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 4/20/10




No one is truely saved yet. WE claim it BY FAITH.
The bible does not say you ARE saved it always says you SHALL BE SAVED. ---francis on 4/19/10

No argument here. Just wanted to repeat the Truth.
---aka_joseph on 4/19/10


Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matt.10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues,
Mark.12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
2Pet.3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
Phil.3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Ruben, your 'dogma' has excellent witnesses in Jesus, Peter and Paul.
---Nana on 4/19/10


-- Ruben :

Brother, It's your dogma that's forcing & leading your thoughts astray from a sincere & pure devotion to Christ, b/c Our Lord Jesus Christ made it very clear in John 16:7 that It is Helpful for us that He go away, b/c if He go not away, the Comforter[Holy Spirit] will not come unto us, but if He depart[to be Resurrected], He will send Him[The Holy Spirit] unto us, so that we should be to the Praise of His Glory, who first Trusted in Christ, after that we Heard the Word of Truth, the Gospel of our Salvation.

In Whom also after that we Believed, we were Sealed with that Holy Spirit of Promise[sent by Christ] which is the Earnest of our Inheritance until the Redemption of Salvation. Eph.1:12-14
---ShawnM.T. on 4/19/10


The Eternal Security we find Once Sealed is that we'll Always be Sealed b/c it's the Father's Will that Christ Jesus should Lose Nothing of all which He has given Him.

---Shawn.M.T. on 4/18/10

Your theology forces you to think that Judas or anyone else was not Seal until after Jesus resurrected.

Paul warns Christians after the resurrection, 2 Corinthians 11:2-3:

"I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband.

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ."
---Ruben on 4/19/10


Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].

No one is truely saved yet. WE claim it BY FAITH.
The bible does not say you ARE saved it always says you SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
---francis on 4/19/10


MarkV and Miche
Thank God for His mercy and grace.
When the Holy Spirit works in us-it is an act of God- working through us.
Asking forgiveness from one another maybe a result. When we are experiencing the Holy Spirit work through us-and bare witness with His action-in agreement-
we bare the Fruit-Love.
Praise God he gets all the Glory.

Again-you both are our brother and sister In-Christ.
I will continue to look forward to both of your post.
Blessings brother and sister.
---char on 4/19/10


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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Never being Sealed with God's Holy Spirit of Promise unto the Redemption of Salvation by receiving Christ, is the 'unpardonable sin of Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost' : Making you unable to RECEIVE the Lord's Forgiveness unto Salvation, do to remain completely separated from His Holy Spirit.

The Eternal Security we find Once Sealed is that we'll Always be Sealed b/c it's the Father's Will that Christ Jesus should Lose Nothing of all which He has given Him.

The 'Lamb of God' is the only 'One' who is Worthy to loose & break "Any Seal" of God's : and He shall not Break this Seal of God's Promise, b/c it's not God's Will !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 4/18/10


---Kent on 4/16/10 NO Jesus would have to die on the cross over and over
Absolutely right,

once you have a true heart knowledge, which apparently wil few have, Jesus said narrow is the way and few there be.. you do not walk away
---michael_e on 4/17/10


Sister Char, thank you for your kind words. With me all is forgiven. It always has been. I hold no vengence or hate for anyone. In fact I love everyone even knowing that not everyone loves me. Love to me is not expecting anything in return. It does not demand anything. So I do not demand anyone's love. I love the Lord not because He can help me, but because He first loved me. If He hadn't, I would still be lost. And He loves me unconditionally. That is what is so great about true love.
---MarkV. on 4/17/10


PLEASE READ TO THE END:

I think the answer is yes and no. Considering man's understanding of salvation, we may or not lose our salvation. Considering two scenarios in Scripture, I believe that Jesus is our Salvation.

The difference between the thief on the cross and the many who prophesied, cast out demons, and did many works, is their focal points. The many said "WE" did this in your name, the thief said "please [YOU] remember me."

A baby is delivered before it is born, We must be delivered before we are "born again." Go ahead, put the birth before the delivery. Many will.
---aka_joseph on 4/17/10


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According to what God has spoken to me the answer will be, must be, YES! However, if you have truly been chosen you will endure till the end. God will see to it, because, you belong to God, now. "Rest for sure, You are mine, thus saith the Lord thy God. "And no man can snatch you from Me. My Father gave you to Me".
---catherine on 4/17/10


Yes, I DO believe a Christian can lose their Salvation. I USED to adamantly believe that you couldn't. Now, I know that what the Bible says in HEBREWS 10:26-39 and in JOHN 10:27-29 is true! We, as Saints, are to endeavor to walk in GOD's Ways of Love and Holiness and Purity. I have definitely NOT "arrived", but, I am working on it. The Scriptures declare that WITHOUT HOLINESS no man will see the LORD. That means dwell with HIM eternally in HIS Kingdom, and to eternally "see" HIS Good Side of Love, Acceptance, Joy and Peace. Eternal separation from GOD and all of HIS Goodness and Creation and then "swimming" eternally in the Lake of Fire are BOTH NOT WORTH living in the temporary pleasure of sin.
---Gordon on 4/17/10


There will be no unredemmed sinners entering into the "kingdom of God". Because, ultimately THEY would only wreck it.....and God will have none of it.....Must be made RIGHT WITH GOD. Through His Son's "Blood". I hope everyone has a great weekend, as unto the Lord, or it has been one waisted of a weekend, my friends. Ahhhh. Come on Jesus, save a lost soul, today....+Ahhh Jesus, ahhhh.
---catherine on 4/17/10


Mark and Miche-
You both are children of God.
You both are-our brothers and sisters In-Christ.
To my understanding...I could be wrong...but...asking forgivness from one another-regardless-is an act of faith.
We are-Our Fathers-children...He Loves us-Who am I to speak for Him-but-perhaps it grieves Him to see His children hurting one another.
This is a choice-and will be an action-if done.
An action that takes the Holy Spirit to perform-through us.
WE ALL need to be lead by the Holy Spirit and WE ALL Need forgivness from our sins.
Praise God for His mercy and Grace.
Repentance and remission-
Bless you both-
---char on 4/17/10


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MarkV,

Some people are like sticky boogers, they catch all the dirt but you cannot shake 'em off.

PS I think she likes, I think she likes you. :~)

---aka_joseph on 4/17/10


For a long time I was answering Miche. I stopped answering her personally because she got very rude and put my name down every time she wanted to say something negative about me. But in my heart I did not give up on her. For a few months she moved on without using my name negatively. Then Shawn T answered her and she accused him of supporting me when he was speaking for Scripture. And each person that has spoken the same as me she gets upset with. It is not my Truth they speak for, it is the Truth of Scripture they defend but she takes it personal, like we all support each other, when we are defending the Truth. I defend the Truth of Scripture and will answer anyone who I see write something that I feel is not from Scripture.
---MarkV. on 4/16/10


Miche,
A few years ago, I finally realized that the Scriptures are not about being right or wrong. The Scriptures are about righteousness - His Righteousness.

You have stated that others "won't receive scripture from me, no matter what." That is true and will be true 100% of the time for you and everybody. The only one that we can receive the Truth from is Jesus Chist through the Holy Spirit.

You have also stated "I give him to God..." Maybe, instead of giving people to God, you should let God give people to you. But, therein lies the secret, you cannot hear him if you are too busy blogging tring to convince everyone that you are right... to be continued
---aka_joseph on 4/16/10


Again, miche, you missed the point, but my point-of-view is not important. God's is.

May He bless you and keep you.
---aka_joseph on 4/16/10


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NO Jesus would have to die on the cross over and ove and over again each time you sin , that is why God cover all sin with the Blood, BUT you must accept and Believe in what he did.
---Kent on 4/16/10


Miche--My impression is that aka jospeph is being BLUNT, not rude. It's not easy to hear...but honestly consider what he said.
---Donna66 on 4/16/10

Thank you Donna, and I have and that is why I said what I said.

I accept the chastisement even though it is false just like all the other false accusations made to and about me.
I know where I am with God and that is all that matters to me.

Thank you and God bless!!
---miche3754 on 4/16/10


Joseph,

I know what dusting my feet off means, biblically. And I do that with Markv.
I have tried to tell him scripturally what TRUE OSAS is (which what you explained). He keeps telling me I am teaching works for salvation.
I am done, finished. I give him to God because he won't receive scripture from me, no matter what.
Some of his beliefs are in direct contradiction to the Bible.
And it has been pointed out scripturally by others too.
---miche3754 on 4/16/10


I think we should be really careful the idea of "dusting our feet." It was a serious directive to his Apostles and came with a serious penalty. He was talkng specifically about repentence and not about meaningless blogs about so many superficial doctrines.

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. And they went out, and preached that men should repent." (CAPS added)

I am positive that Jesus will judge accordingly, but I am also just as sure he will judge those who bare false testimony.
---aka_joseph on 4/16/10


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Miche--My impression is that aka jospeph is being BLUNT, not rude. It's not easy to hear...but honestly consider what he said.
---Donna66 on 4/16/10


Mark and Miche-to my understanding-
Salvation-The act of Jesus Christ death and resurrection-needed-once.
Our Repentance and remission-repeated- whenever our sins are exposed to us-by Him.
This is a confession.The Word-in action-as Lord and Mastering over our life.
Us-becoming-a New Man-In Christ.
-Fruit grows-They don't just appear.
Seed-Time-then Harvest.
The Seed is planted-How's the soil?
Time is needed.
God provides the growth-increase=By His Spirit[Holy-pure].
He [alone]gets the Glory.
The results will be=Fruit.
Heb12:11
Matt7(all)
Vs20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
Gal 5:22Greatest is love..
Patience,longsuffering,self-control...etc...
-shalom-
---char on 4/16/10


Joseph,

You can believe what you wish.

Thank you very much for the rudeness.
God bless you too!
---miche3754 on 4/16/10


miche, on 4/15/10, you said Jim was immature in Spirit, and then on 4/16/10, you quote Jim's blog promoting yourself after Jim says that he agrees with you. Conversely, I have never seen MarkVhim promote himself. I have only seen him argue using Scripture. Newsflash: There is no blogger that is worthy, no, not one.

By your own self-admission, you jump to conclusions, which may indicate that you jump to blog, also. I think you need to look in the mirror and ask, If [the fruit that is bared] smells rotten, what does that tell us? All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for ... That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Self-promotion is neither a good work nor a ripened fruit.
---aka_joseph on 4/16/10


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miche, i know exactly what you are saying. I'm just not crazy about how you word it.
It's impossible to imagine somebody who truly has faith in Christ who does not perform good works.
---JIM on 4/15/10

I understand Jim. It is that way for me too. I think that is why I am so passionate about people checking the fruit they bare. If it smells rotten, what does that tell us?

Markv,

I have shaken the dust off my feet with you so it is better that you just don't address me.Post, but don't address me at all.
---miche3754 on 4/16/10


"I think you have to look at the context, including to whom these words were written.

They were written to a young bishop who had to oversee presbyteroi (elders) who were older in age than he was."
---Cluny on 4/14/10

Are you saying that the advice is not binding and requirement for the laity? That we be "an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity" and also to non believers is well indicated all over the Bible. While I understand context, I used the verses for their content which is of a Universal value for all Christians at all levels. Let me know if you still hold me out for clarification or we understand each other on this.
---Nana on 4/16/10


Part #2:
Only through Christ is a person permanently cleansed. That is why all who are lost are under the condemnation of the Law, they can never be perfectly cleansed. They can work and work and never be cleansed once for all as Hebrews says, Only Christ can take away our sins forever. This is something I wish that you would understand that we are once for all cleansed and as Hebrews mention's, no longer under condemnation if we are truely saved. The law is still important to guide us to right living before God Rom. 3:31, but we are not under condemnation to the power of the Law. Jesus has taken care of that for us.
---MarkV. on 4/15/10


miche, i know exactly what you are saying. I'm just not crazy about how you word it.
It's impossible to imagine somebody who truly has faith in Christ who does not perform good works.
---JIM on 4/15/10


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Miche, "the Law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming-not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshippers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." Heb. 10:1-4
The Christian, because of Christ, is dead to the condemning power of the law Rom.8:1-3. Hebrews 10:1-4 says. "For the worshippers would have been cleansed once for all"
---MarkV. on 4/15/10


I definitely understand. You have good heart and you meant no harm.

Christianty is filled with buzz words like works that people do not truly understand. The English language does not lend itself well to Scriptural study and debate. Therefore, we need to be patient with each other especially in this faceless form of comminicae.

As far as accusers go, Jesus told us not to spend too much time on dissenting replies. Paul stated that since we see Jesus through a smoky mirror, we should treat our own salvation (which is Jesus Christ) with fear and trembling and to consider ourselves lest we also be dragged down.

Remember, our only real defense is Jesus the Savior.
---aka_joseph on 4/15/10


Anon, Donna66 is correct, God does not disown His children. You said the question is who are His Children? His children do not live like the devil. If a person lives like the devil it should give you a clue. But having a clue is not enough to know for sure. We can judge the actions of others but God judges the heart. Only He knows about others, but you should know about yourself. We are commanded to make our assurance sure. To question our actions.
1. Do we have a true love for Christ? For no one lost loves Christ. If we do, we will not live like the devil. We will do everything possible to please the Lord.
2. Does the Spirit of God witness to our spirit that we are children of God? If we feel the Spirit convicting us we are His children.
---MarkV. on 4/15/10


Oh!!!
I apologize Joseph. I am so sorry for jumping to conclusions like that.
I believe the same as you.
BUT as you can see, I get accused all the time of works FOR salvation when I have NEVER said that.
See Jim's statement?
///Hi miche....once again...
What kind of works must you do?
How do you know when you have done enough works?

---JIM on 4/14/10///
That is what I get all the time.
When I have NEVER said we work for salvation.
Talk about immature in spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/15/10


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miche,

i happen to believe that works are are a natural result from the works of Jesus in you or the friut of the Spirit in you. That's what James was saying. I say that some people say "tongues" are evidence, I say that works and fruit are the real evidence. Paul says that without love (works and fruit), we are nothing.

Slow down. please reread my words, then you will see. I am saying that in the case of the mean who did works in jesus' name were cast out. i did not make that up, and the equation that you proposed in that situation did not fit.
---aka_joseph on 4/15/10


\\1 Timothy 4:11-16: "These things command and teach. Let no man despise thy youth,...\\

I think you have to look at the context, including to whom these words were written.

They were written to a young bishop who had to oversee presbyteroi (elders) who were older in age than he was.
---Cluny on 4/14/10


It happens all the time: God saves a person, but then instead of obeying God and staying saved on the strait and narrow, they leave their salvation and choose to go back down into the sins of Egypt again from which they were delivered from: and the last state of the backslider becomes seven times worse then before they were saved.
---Eloy on 4/15/10


Joseph,

Are you calling Jesus, James, Paul, and Peter liars?

Jesus take up your cross and follow me.
Believe AND FOLLOW.
James says faith WITHOUT works is dead.

You confuse that scripture and WRONGLY discern it.
It means the same thing that James said.
IF you have faith, but NO works of faith, meaning you are NOT conformed to Christ and start to look like Christ, you are none of his.
Salvation is NOT "okay you believe in Christ now go sin all you want".
If you do not endure in faith to Christ, yo will not get the prize.
---miche3754 on 4/15/10


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1 Timothy 4:11-16: "These things command and teach. Let no man despise thy youth, but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. Meditate upon these things, give thyself wholly to them, that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine, continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
Such are the 'must do' works and enough is when "thy profiting may appear to all" and always, Matt 5:16.
---Nana on 4/14/10


FAITH + WORKS = ETERNAL SALVATION

Lord, Lord, in Your name (faith) + we prophesied and cast out demons(works) = Get away from me you WORKERS of iniquity. I never knew you (NOT eternal salvation).

Why did that equation fail? God is not the author of confusion.

James said if [faith] does not have works, faith is dead, being by itself. Paul uses the word fruits and James uses works. Are they the same?

I have no doubt that fruits and works will result if truly delivered by Jesus, but you better be sure that the subject of the sentence is not "we" even if there are works.
---aka_joseph on 4/14/10


Donna, you are my favorite blogger. I greatly admire you. And your statement which I have quoted below really blows the cover off of those who want to earn their salvation.

Your statement is clear, logical, factual and biblical still most cannot see or understand your statement. But still I appreciate you very much.

"Since we did not "earn" Salvation by being good... how can we "lose" it if we are not?
---Donna66 on 4/14/10"

---mima on 4/14/10


Anon--
Donna, the question still remains, WHO are God's children? Lots of people think they are God's children and live like the devil.

Sounds like they are mistaken. If they live like the devil, they must be his children.

Rom 8:21 Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
---Donna66 on 4/14/10


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Hi miche....once again...
What kind of works must you do?
How do you know when you have done enough works?
---JIM on 4/14/10


anon, you are right many people may claim to be the children of God when they are not.

This blog question is semantics and theoritical. Semanics in that the person was never saved, and theoritical in that no one knows if a person is saved or not. Consequently, it is easy to say a person in question was never saved in the first place, or the person is indeed saved. We'll find out who was saved in this life when it is all said and done. Until then we can argue about it.

That being said, I Trust the character of God that if a person is saved, YHWH will complete what He started and initiated.
---Rod4Him on 4/14/10


anon,

I agree. I had posted a response that got buried if you missed it. It really accounts for a lot.

If you fall in a deep, narrow hole that you cannot escape, are you saved when you call out or when you are fully delivered?
---aka_joseph on 4/14/10


God doesn't disown his children..Donna66 on 4/14/10

Donna, the question still remains, WHO are God's children? Lots of people think they are God's children and live like the devil.

Heck, my father committed adultery, beat us up when we were kids and told the Priest in the hospital that he KNEW Jesus. ack!

Many think they are God's children, so the question still remains WHO REALLY are God's children?
---anon on 4/14/10


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Friendly blogger-- Amen. God doesn't disown his children. He disciplines them when necessary (And He knows just how to do this. He insists they mature!), but he never changes His mind about whether they belong in His family.

Knowing that He is Holy and we are not, could keep us in a constant state of anxiety if this were not so. Instead we can march ahead with confidence and concentrate on serving Him (NOT to sin, as some accuse).

Since we did not "earn" Salvation by being good... how can we "lose" it if we are not?
---Donna66 on 4/14/10


/God chose you to be an adopted son or daughter,You were given his irresistible grace- friendly blogger/

Please show me scripture where Jesus offered salvation to one person BUT not the other?

There is plenty stating he is offering salvation to ALL who will just believe, but never seen any saying that "you can have it, but the others can't".

My Bible says "Who so ever will".

It also says that God is "NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS".
Show when and where he changed that.
---miche3754 on 4/14/10


The answer is no, God chose you to be an adopted son or daughter,You were given his irresistible grace. Your were purchased from your former family for the price of Christ dying for you. You start off with a clean slate all you former sins have been forgiven. God will never ever put you out of his family. That does not mean that he will not correct you or punish you if necessary but you are his for ever and you will never ever be discarded by him and your salvation it totally assured forever and ever. To deny this is to deny the nature of God.
---Friendly_Blogger on 4/14/10


We have some examples from what I have read in the Bible.
The parable of the 4 soils.

The parable of the wheat and tares.

The cost of Following Jesus (Luke 9).

Hebrews 10:35-39

2 Peter 2:20-22

We can return to the muck that God pulled us out of anytime we want, BUT the question is do you want to?
I know I don't because I am better NOW than I ever was before Christ saved me.
The ones that return are NOT letting God fix their problems.
---miche3754 on 4/14/10


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Betty, that is a question that has pussled men for a long time.... the REAL question [for of course, some who bleeived they had salvation in fact do not], is 'those who will be told depart from me'- are they people who WERE saved and the LOST their salvation, or people who were never saved. Unknown to me, and possible irrelevant, though I would also like to know
---peter3594 on 4/14/10


Remember that Jesus Christ said to one He had just forgiven, "Behold thou are made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." (John 5:14)
---Betty on 4/14/10


Asking if you can lose your salvation is like asking can you get a divorce. The answer is yes.

When you love self more then GOD and do not love others then no matter what words you said in the past of what rites you have done you are not in a relationship with GOD. Those who are not in a relationship with GOD are not saved.

You cannot hate to spend time with GOD and hate to spend time helping others and hating them and be allowed into heaven.

Works are the result of your relationship. Some can pretend to do good works when in reality they work inquity.
---Samuel on 4/14/10


How can you lose something you really didn't have in the first place?

Many will say to me on that day, Lord didn't we cast out demons in your name? Jesus said he will say to them, Be gone from me, for I NEVER KNEW you.

The way is narrow that leads to life and FEW are those who find it.

Many people think they are saved, yet act like the devil, are filled with pride, don't obey the Word of God. Jesus said if you love me, you'll obey me.

So if you think you've got your salvation and are living under false theology, then you never had your salvation in the first place.
---anon on 4/14/10


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You can lose your salvation if you are not following this equation.

FAITH + WORKS = ETERNAL SALVATION.
It is pretty simple.
---miche3754 on 4/14/10


Nana, I guess you and I just see things a bit differently. That's okay. God be with you.
---ger.toshav on 4/14/10


mima....i agree.
---JIM on 4/14/10


"There are those who teach that the Lords death and resurrection are not sufficient to guarantee a believers place in heaven. They teach that believers must also maintain a certain standard of behavior after becoming saved, and if they dont then the Lord will revoke their gift of salvation, leaving them lost and without hope. They try and make expensive that which the Lord gave His life to make free."
Those who believe like this always believed that it is possible to lose their salvation.

I refer to these people as having "behavioral salvation" which is just another way of saying they earn(works) their salvation!
---mima on 4/14/10


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Jesus was very specific ALSO when He said:
Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity,
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Do you know what iniquity is ger.?
Lay off of the 'blasphemy only' bandwagon and read of MANY SUCH THING which take a man out of the race per the revealed word of God:
Ephesians 5:5
Galatians 5:18-21
---Nana on 4/14/10


Jesus was very specific about what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is: it's attributing to Jesus the works of Satan (whom he refers to as Be'elzebub in the passage -- Matthew 12:22-32).
---ger.toshav on 4/13/10


Romans 12:2: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
Is Paul pleading with 'seals' or the Spirit of God in the brethren? No, he was and is pleading with the spirit of man in Christ and in God, as he says, "is your reasonable service." These thing must be said and reiterated as Peter said, 2 Peter 1:12., and v10, "give diligence to make your calling and election sure", v11, "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." And the ger. thinks we have nothing to do!
---Nana on 4/13/10


Birth is amazing. First, a seed is sown, then, it's nurtured. For nine months it grows through some rocky roads until it is birthed. Then, fruit of the loins.

Jesus says that we must be born again. But, in this case, we switch the parallel. We feel guilty, recite a sinner's prayer, then, we are born again.

Jesus' parable of the sower/seed is much like the first birth process. Seed, nurturing through a cleared, rocky path... then, fruit of the Spirit.

I wonder how many zygotes (fertilized eggs)do not not make it during the journey? Birth never was theirs.

Can something be lost that was never really had?"

Your Salvation is not accepting Jesus, your salvation is Jesus. Have you let Jesus deliver you?
---aka_joseph on 4/13/10


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There's a difference between being saved and a conversion experience.

Jesus Himself said, "He who endures to the end shall be saved."

Wasn't Judas just as called as the other 11? Did he not have the gift of healing and miracles? Did Jesus love him less than the other 11? Was he driven away from the table at the Mystical Supper? Did the Lord refuse to wash his feet?

Yet, he still fell to "go to his own place," as Acts puts it.

Think about it.
---Cluny on 4/14/10


I used to think that you can lose your salvation but have changed my view. Now I think that anyone who truly accepts the Lord can do nothing to lose his gift/standing. Even when he stumbles, God will pull him back. Anyone who blasphemies the Holy Spirit never really knew Jesus in the first place. Not everyone who hears the Gospel possesses solid ground. Some have rocky soil, weeds, or are of sand. I have made many mistakes since my conversion but the Lord always remains faithful to bring me back in line. He loves His children enough to be patient and soooo gracious and merciful. He is love.
---jody on 4/13/10


Yes & No. Not if you are following God. Yes if you turn your back on him & to the world.
---candice on 4/13/10


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