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Spiritually Violent And Stubborn

Recently my husband and I received a prophetic word stating that we were spiritually violent and stubborn. What does that really mean?

Moderator - Sounds strange to me. What did it mean to you and what were the details?

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I guess I didn't explain what I meant very well. I know that technically fruit is obtained by growing on the vine(Jesus). But in my mind, He is a gift to us & without him we bare no fruit so I consider them gifts as well. I should have made that plain. I apologize.

Not sure what you meant in the sentence about gifts in the Bible Belt. Could you elaborate?

Just because some are workers of iniquity doesn't mean all are.

I attend a fellowship that believes in the entire word, the full gospel.
---fay on 6/1/10


Fay,

The gifts of the Spirit are gifts and the fruit of the Spirit are fruit.

I live in the Bible belt, and anyone that I have met that has a gift does not display any more fruit than the ones that don't.

Jesus said that many may do many wonderful works in my Name (including prophecy), but they are workers of iniquity.

It won't come down to the gifts of the Spirit that were given but the fruit of the Spirit that we bare.

BTW - What church do you attend?
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


akajoseph, I am sorry you have not found the proper use of all the gifts. It is misused greatly. I was thrilled when I found a place to worship where the gifts were used correctly. I pray you find one as well. It has made such a difference in my life. I understand them better because I see them used correctly. The fruits of the spirit are gifts also, just not labeled as such. The misuse has made them unimportant to some. As they are revealed to a person communication with the Son & the Father is increased. Of course salvation remains THE most important so I won't argue about the gifts. Thank you for replying in love.
---fay on 5/31/10


I believe that there is a growth process in the life of every Christian, and Heb 1:1 is not the only v. to suggest there are no prophets. Consider 1Co 13:9-13. Paul was constantly fighting against people who were enamored with the gifts instead of the Giver.

He was always trying to emphasize the fruit of the Spirit are the focus and not the gifts. The gifts were there as a means, the fruit is the end especially when Jesus came.

Christianity is weak today because we are still stuck in the tailspin of single verse, man-made theology. I myself am trying to break free of that everyday.

One final note: I know plenty of people who 'speak tongues' and 'prophecy' but I have never met an interpreter or judge as Paul suggested.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


If Hebrews 1:1 means there are no more prophets, what about Acts 13:1 & 32, 1 Cor. 12:28 & 29, 1 Cor. 14:29, Eph. 3:5, Eph. 4:11.
Considering all these other verses Heb 1:1 was not saying that there are no more prophets.
---fay on 5/28/10




//Are you denying that Jesus DID take the Kingdom of God by violence at His Crucifixion? ---Cluny on 5/28/10 //

No. I am saying that this use of violence that is presented in the question does not sound like the same thing as Jesus taking the Kingdom back with violence.

//more excellent way, where does it say in the Bible that there are no more prophets?// ---fay

//There are no more "prophets" (Hebrews 1:1). ---more_excellent_way on 4/14/10 //

fay, read all of more eways blog, then open your bible and read his scriptural backup.

Slow down, everybody and read the whole blog several times...then respond if you need to. Blogs are seasonal but God is forever.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10


**//How about the words of Jesus: The Kingdom of God suffers violence, and the violence take it by force.

Which is what He did at His crucifixion. //
---Cluny on 4/15/10

This does not sound like the same thing. **

Are you denying that Jesus DID take the Kingdom of God by violence at His Crucifixion?
---Cluny on 5/28/10


more excellent way, where does it say in the Bible that there are no more prophets?

Janet, usually a prophetic word is not demeaning. There may be cases where that may be the case but usually only from someone who does not know you at all & has not listened to gossip about you. If the person knows you it is probably their own opinion.

Father, I ask that you put Janet & her husband at ease concerning this word. Let them know exactly what it meant & what to do with it. Amen.
---fay on 5/28/10


//How about the words of Jesus: The Kingdom of God suffers violence, and the violence take it by force.

Which is what He did at His crucifixion. //
---Cluny on 4/15/10

This does not sound like the same thing.

If you received this in sincerity and not in "a propetic word", i think that you may indeed be stubborn.

However, it sounds like your spiritual violentce and stubborness may be a result of discernment and somebody is trying to manipulate you because you will not buy what they are sellin'.
---aka.joseph on 5/27/10


\\Spiritually violent is not a term I have heard before - can you suggest a meaning for that phrase? I am clueless!
---peter3594 on 4/15/10\\

How about the words of Jesus: The Kingdom of God suffers violence, and the violence take it by force.

Which is what He did at His crucifixion.
---Cluny on 4/15/10




I know that the blog limit (75 words, isn't it) require you to be very short in stating the problem.... but, how did you receive that prophetic word? Though stubborn is usually taken to be bad, there are cases where it is good (holding to your faith even when there are things suggesting otherwise). Violent now is always taken as bad, but remember the story of Saul, who was 'rejected by God' when he di NOT slaughter everyting in the town. Spiritually violent is not a term I have heard before - can you suggest a meaning for that phrase? I am clueless!
---peter3594 on 4/15/10


The problem I have seen with "the prophetic word" is that it is usually unclear to what it means. It seems whatever was said can mean whatever the person who heard it wants it to mean.

For example, once mima said God said, "you have been put on a shelf." What does that mean?

I believe a natural result of Christians fellowshipping is that they will rebuke and encourage one another. They don't need to say, "I have a prophet word. You are this or that."
---Rod4Him on 4/15/10


Well, you may very well be. But, what does the Written Word of God tell you? Have you sought to see?
Why do we seek a source apart from what God has written to us to determine our stand before Him? It is time for you to seek what God has said and not rely on some so called "Prophetic word" that is probably false. See, you would know for sure if it is written....
---Elder on 4/14/10


Janet,it means you are putting too much belief in what that person tells you to even worry about it. What you received only made you concerned and confused,God doesn't do that,he makes things plain to be understood. If you get a Word of Knowledge from anyone it will be in line with what God had already been telling you. A Word,prophecy,is given for 1 Corinthians 14:3 edification,exhortation,and comfort. Edify means to instruct and improve in moral and religious knowledge,exhort is, urge strongly to do the right thing,give warnings or advice,comfort is to give strength and hope. I don't see any of thoae things in them calling you spiritually violent and stubborn. Until you hear directly from God don't worry about what they told you.
---Darlene_1 on 4/14/10


It means that this person who is pretending to be better than you is talking down to you (condescending)....and they consider you a threat to their pridefully IMAGINED 'superiority' (they consider you to be better than them and need to put you down).

Get to know what the "mirror" is. When people belittle you, it's because their conscience belittles them. People do not like to look at the REAL 'them' (their "natural face").

If you are a "mirror" to other people (a reference point of integrity/goodness), consider yourself blessed, God taught you well.

James 1:23
"he is like a man who observes his natural face in a mirror".

There are no more "prophets" (Hebrews 1:1).
---more_excellent_way on 4/14/10


Unfortunately, many so-called prophets "feel led" to say whatever comes to their minds, regardless of whether it causes strife or is even later proven wrong, or directly contradicts things God has previously said explicitly.

Many forget 1 John 4:1
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

If the Christian church had the same penalty for false prophets as was prescribed in Israel (i.e. death by stoning), people would be much more reticent to prophesy unless they were SURE it was God speaking.
---StrongAxe on 4/14/10


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This sounds more like fortune-telling to me.
---Cluny on 4/14/10


If someone spoke a "prophetic" word of that sort over me, I would first seek the Lord and see if there was anything in my life to validate this word. If there was something, I would confess it and ask forgiveness then move on. If I could see nothing to validate it, I would forget it and move on in the Lord, seeking to do His will only.
---tommy7376 on 4/14/10


The purpose of prophesying is what the bible says:

1 Corinthians 14:3 - But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

If what they said isn't edifying you and your husband, isn't exhorting you and comforting you, then it isn't from God.

Someone did that to me once when I was a baby Christian in the late 1980's and I became very upset and began to cry as they were prophesying over me. After many days of asking the Lord what it meant, I heard the Holy Spirit say to me, "I didn't say that." Meaning HE didn't say that to them to tell me. Thank God we have God to give us understanding in all things - we just have to ask Him the meaning.
---Donna5535 on 4/14/10


It means that you are relying on a false prophet rather than the Word of God. That's what it really means. Stop searching for prophets and start searching for God.
---KarenD on 4/14/10


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