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Why Was David Dancing

In 2 Samuel 6, why was David dancing?

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Robyn, the method of asking limited word questions leads to a little confusion. There was another blog asking about 'prophetic dance'. This person contended that since David was a prophet and David danced, 'prophetic dance' was biblical.

The only occasion of David dancing was in 2 Sam 6. I read the text over and over, and David was clearly not prophecying while he was dancing. He was celebrating the return of the Ark of the Covenant as francis, Kimbe7395, leon and others pointed out. francis made the best point: "He did NOT dance in the sanctuary, temple, synogogue, or church."

I personally think it was also a foreshadow to his impending fall. He was starting to express a little self-pride in speech and action.
---aka.joseph on 6/22/10


If you read the entire chapter it will tell you why he was dancing.Having the Holy Spirit will move you and make you full of joy. Being born again is just the beginning of our experience with Christ.. But having the Holy Spirit inside of us gives us staying power,joy,exuberant happiness,worship and praise to our God and Savior. The Holy Spirit is a like a powerful motor in a top of the line sports car. It has power-r-r-r-r-! Praise God! I dance for the same reason(s)David,did. I hope you do,too.
---Robyn on 6/22/10


God Bless you too, Warwick!

I would never take anything away from anyone who believes in the Savior. In fact, there are cultures that still have deep family and relationship traditions that I would like to have like Messianic Jews. Sometimes, I feel like I am swinging from dental floss to dental floss trying to get by. (I use approximately instead of dash for my nose because mine was broken!) :~)
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10


Aka, if you learn how to do the smiley face please let me know.

God bless you.
---Warwick on 6/1/10


\\David was experiencing a time of" Joy unspeakable and full of glory"
---mima on 4/19/10\\

David was also dancing sky-clad (as the euphemism goes).
---Cluny on 6/1/10




.... but for a season, the dogs are at the hand of those who are jealous that Christ included Gentiles in the plan of salvation.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10

Jealous?
Umm,perhaps searching, pointing. Providing Scriptural witness. Scripture rebukes.
Dogs, attack the hand (scripture)or trample that they cannot tolerate. My sword, is enough.
Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Note that Christ says...First....below.
Mark 7:27
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
---Trav on 5/31/10


//As you have pointed out. It is not proper I caution you to speak of Israel,Judah or any part of. You will be flogged. With dull swords. ha...Many are jealous of Judah, and go insane over the 12 sister nations, when mentioned in scripture.// ---Trav on 5/28/10

I was hoping the blood letting would be quick and painless for my kids and me, but for a season, the dogs are at the hand of those who are jealous that Christ included Gentiles in the plan of salvation.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


Warwick,

We can bold, italicize, and underline, but I have not figured out how to put my tongue-in-cheek face there. I just think the terminology is pretty funny.

A great pastor and friend that I met is also Jewish by descent. I can easily say that he is a Jew circumcised in his heart and Paul implies that whomever is circumcised in the heart are one. Does that make me a Messianic Jew? :~)
---aka.joseph on 5/30/10


aka. I know many Jews who believe in Jesus as their Messiah. Real Jews. Surely they do not stop being Jews because they believe in Jesus the Jewish Messiah?
---Warwick on 5/30/10


\\Messianic Jews

Is there really such a hybrid?\\

There is such a mish-mash as I described below.

I forgot to mention that a major ingredient in the mixture is taken from Biblical epics, such as THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
---Cluny on 5/28/10




The other funny term is Judeo-Christians. Judeans believe in the Law. Christians believe in the fulfillment of the Law. I think Paul referred to these people as Judaizers.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10

As you have pointed out. It is not proper I caution you to speak of Israel,Judah or any part of. You will be flogged. With dull swords. ha.
I've heard that Christians adopted/created this tag to honor Christs heritage. A little problem is that they have Judeo in front of Christian. Intent was perhaps a Judean Christian? A really rare and special thing?
Many are jealous of Judah, and go insane over the 12 sister nations, when mentioned in scripture.
---Trav on 5/28/10


Messianic Jews

Is there really such a hybrid? I know there are people of Jewish descent who believe Jesus that made His appearance ~2000 years ago as the Messiah. However, real Jews do not believe this. They believe that the Mashiach will come as a great political leader. In this sense, Jews are Messianic.
However, they reject the Christ of yesteryear, so a Messianic Jew cannot refer to one who has rejected Jesus as the Messiah who already came.

The other funny term is Judeo-Christians. Judeans believe in the Law. Christians believe in the fulfillment of the Law. I think Paul referred to these people as Judaizers.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10


\\Dancing is part of worship along with singing hymms.

Something lost on present day Christians.
The Messianic Jews dance during the services. As well as non-Christian Jews.

They also sing psalms.
---John on 5/24/10\\

Obviously, John has never been to a real synagogue. Dancing is NOT part of the service, except a year on Simchat Torah.

Messianic Judaism is an inauthentic amalgam of post-Christian Reform rabbinism and American evangelicalism. In its worship, it bears no resemblance to either.

Furthermore, all the pre-reformation Churches, including Orthodox, Eastern, and Roman Catholic sing psalms.

Only Protestants have dropped this ancient practice.
---Cluny on 5/28/10


\\My God would love to see such carry-ons over Him, my friends.....Man, am I tired.
---catherine on 4/23/10\\

Yours maybe, catherine.

Not necessary the real God of the Bible.
---Cluny on 5/27/10


Plain and simple - The Joy of the Lord.
---larry on 5/26/10


Overall David is considered primarily a King and he was an archetype of Jesus.

David was not a prophet as were the other prophets in the OT.

However, let's for all intensive purposes call David a prophet.

Thanks for sharpening my sword, Trav.
---aka_joseph on 5/24/10

Consider as you will.
David, man after GOD's own heart.

1 Chronicles 17:2
Then Nathan said unto David, Do all that is in thine heart, for God is with thee.

David: go exposed, don't take a sword when a rock will do.
Run.

Run towards, GOD's enemies.

Psalm 139:21
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

---Trav on 5/26/10


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Overall David is considered primarily a King and he was an archetype of Jesus. David was not a prophet as were the other prophets in the OT.

However, let's for all intensive purposes call David a prophet. The point is that a biblical term, person, image should not be for our own vain purpose...prophetic dancing in church.

Thanks for sharpening my sword, Trav.
---aka_joseph on 5/24/10


Dancing is part of worship along with singing hymms.

Something lost on present day Christians.
The Messianic Jews dance during the services. As well as non-Christian Jews.

They also sing psalms.
---John on 5/24/10


1. David was not a prophet.
b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.(What was the prediction?)
---aka_joseph on 5/23/10

Wasn't a prophet? Seriously?
Psalm 79:13
So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations

Presented with gifts Psalm 72:10
Teacher of parables Psalm 78:2
His resurrection Psalm 16:10
Betrayed by a friend Psalm 41:9
Accused by false witnesses Psalm 35:11
Hated without a cause Psalm 69:4
People shook their heads Psalm 109:25
Garments parted and lots cast Psalm 22:18
Gall and vinegar offered Him Psalm 69:21
bones not broken Psalm 34:20
And many more.....
---Trav on 5/24/10


\\Prophetic Dance IS Biblical. This is what David did. Anyone who says otherwise is NOT in line with the Bible. God created dance ... Satan just perverted it.\\

1. David was not a prophet.
2. It is apparent that it was a dance of thanksgiving.
3. prophecy
a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will. (What was the utterance?)
b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.(What was the prediction?)
c. inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing. (orally and in writing...not in dancing.)

If you want to dance in church, then dance in church, but, don't slap a biblical term and call it biblical. Satan does like perversion.
---aka_joseph on 5/23/10


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2Sa 6:21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.
2Sa 6:22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.

I cannot help detecting a little pride leaking out here. I admire David for his public praise, but unsheathed? Maybe, this was a foreshadowing of David's fall five chapters later.
---aka_joseph on 4/24/10


I have seen unbelievers hailing other people, shout and yell, carrying on like wild animals, calling even a dog a hero. Never giving God any credit for anything. I have seen people faint over their idols. My God would love to see such carry-ons over Him, my friends.....Man, am I tired.
---catherine on 4/23/10


Jesus has a way of causing this in which unbelievers cannot possibly know nor understand. --catherine 4/23/10

Good point! Perhaps Michal represents unbelievers who actually do not understand but actually scorn believers.

HOWEVER, if there is a dude jumping around covering his giblets with a banana hammock praising Jesus, I am not going understand and I may scorn him, but I am not going to doubt the Spirit that is within me.
---aka_joseph on 4/23/10


The answer is obvious: David was over-come by the joy of the Lord. I can understand his joy. Jesus has a way of causing this inwhich unbelievers cannot possibly know nor understand. In what they do, and can have, they still can be happy, but, it is not the same exuberantness. I was lost for many years I know and I have the abilty to see the contrasts.
---catherine on 4/22/10


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aka_joseph:

Unfortunately, in a text medium (such as this), certain important communication clues such as tone of voice, body languae, etc. are lost, making sarcasm much harder to detect than usual.

It also doesn't help that there are some people here who don't appear to have senses of humor, and some people who seriously believe things so outrageous as to defy comprehension (for example, I remember seeing one person assert that the Bible was originally written in heaven in English, and the prophets were merely dictated Hebrew and Greek translations of it, so the KJV *IS* the original), so it's quite a challenge to tell who is joking and who is being serious.
---StrongAxe on 4/22/10


StrongAxe,

Dry humor does not translate well in cyberspace unless you use those joe smiley faces, but sometimes temperance tells me to be quiet and I don't listen. Thank you for your comment.
---aka_joseph on 4/22/10


aka_joseph:

while popular wisdom is imperfect, it IS there, and it is useful, and the Bible assumes that it is.

The very fact that the Bible mentions growing of crops without teaching agriculture, and mentions cloth without teaching weaving, and mentions houses without teaching architecture, etc. means that it assumes that it has no need to teach such things - that we can learn them well enough on our own using popular wisdom.
---StrongAxe on 4/22/10


YADAH, YADAH, YADAH... but, Cluny is right.

I did not think that people were going around saying, "sex, sex, sex" when they meant "blah, blah, blah."

Cluny, I thought the words "popular" and "wisdom" were mutually exclusive unless negation is involved.

---aka_joseph on 4/21/10


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Davis danced because he was glad to see the Ark return to Israel.

NB: He did NOT dance in the sanctuary, temple, sysogogua, or church.

he danced in the streets.

2 Samuel 6:13 And it was [so], that when they that bare the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings.

2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all [his] might, and David [was] girded with a linen ephod.

2 Samuel 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.
---francis on 4/21/10


\\Maybe, because of her extreme hatred for David and his desire to be admired, they just didn't "know" each other anymore.\\

Contrary to popular wisdom, the Hebrew word YADAH (rendered "know" in most English Bibles) has sexual significance in only 10 of the nearly 1000 times it's used.

Most of the time, it simply means "to have cognitive experience," that is, "to know" in the ordinary non-sexual sense.
---Cluny on 4/21/10


LOL :D Thank you aka joseph, I really appreciate your thoughts on this--bless you brother :)
---Mary on 4/21/10


Mary, thank you for your honesty.

It is an assumption that she was punished. The bible just said that she bore no children the rest of her days. Maybe, because of her extreme hatred for David and his desire to be admired, they just didn't "know" each other anymore.

When Saul was King, was she crazy about David or did she enjoy to get at her dad through David? And, did she settle into a life with her other husband Paltiel. Was there hidden resentment in Michal's heart that came out as David danced?

This is sounding like a soap opera now. I am outta here :~)
---aka_joseph on 4/20/10


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I just have to ask an honest question though: why was his wife punished for life just for criticizing him? That one's always bothered me and if anyone can help, I'd be thankful :)
---Mary on 4/20/10


David have been through so much with his enemies, it was a blessing for him to celebrate in Worship and Praise to the Lord.

David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the Lord with all his might, while he and the entire house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets. 2 Samuel 6:14-15
---Kimbe7395 on 4/20/10


Joy, David had joy. What we have now in many (not all) charismatic services is happiness. There is a difference.
---larry on 4/19/10


David was experiencing a time of" Joy unspeakable and full of glory"
---mima on 4/19/10


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He was overcome by God's spirit. Joy and happiness in the Lord, David was overcome by it. [a ceremonial].
---catherine on 4/19/10


I agree with 4/15/10 post.
Dance was the method he choose, at that time, for praise.
"Let Israel rejoice in their Maker, Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them 'praise His name with the dance', Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD takes pleasure in His people, He will beautify the humble with salvation." Psa 149:2-4
---joseph on 4/16/10


David had happy feet! :) Actually, David's dancing was an outward expression of what was in his heart (adoration, praise & worship of the Lord) as he & his people celebrated the bringing of the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem.
---Leon on 4/15/10


David danced to praise the Lord.
---Leslie on 4/15/10


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I was always a bit 'unsure'about that passage, but I know that for some people (like many of Greek compatriots) dancing is one of the ways to show we/they are happy, and I took it that David danced because (not necessarily to show) he was happy in the Lord
---peter3594 on 4/15/10


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