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What are 21st century idols?

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Alan, the answer is no. Your argument is not valid. They could not be genuine Christians. They might have been by name only but not from the heart. For no one who is of God would go kill babies and children.
It should have given you a clue, that one who is of God will never do that. Just because they call themselves Christians does not mean they are.
---MarkV. on 4/30/10


MarkV Ignatius has a very valid point!

A few years ago, there were gangs of Catholics whose purpose in life was to kill and maim ... they did not care if their bombs killed children and babies.

There were also gangs of Protestants who did the same.

It was in Northern Ireland.

Were they real Catholics and Protestants?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/30/10


Ignatius, no, I have not gone around the world to find out about Catholics, just in Texas and parts of Mexico. In fact in Mexico and South America, most of the Catholic idols, like Mary, and some saints are walked down the street with skulls, skeletons and pagan gods, and the people worship them and sing to them. Maybe Catholics where you live at, do not do this, but you are missing the other half. Bible carrying Catholics is only a thing that begin not to long ago. But most all still depend on the church teachings. No one takes notes so no one really knows the catechisms very well.
And again if you ask any Catholic what rebirth is, they do not know. Just ask them where you live.
---MarkV. on 4/30/10


Mark V, "it is my opinion by my experience."

Is is your opinion based upon your limited experience. To suggest that most in the RCC do not have a interest in Bible study, one must have survey EVERY Catholic (Latin AND Eastern) from around the world and thus come to that conclusion based upon reasonable data, which you HAVE NOT!

"I belonged to a gang of about 90 members all Catholic.....go to dances, get drunk, party all night and confess on Saturday."

Then your gang weren't Catholic Christians in practice, but only in name. You and your drunken gang was "cafeteria Catholics". Many today claim they are "Christians", but there actions contradict there statement!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/29/10


MarkV, interesting posts, very interesting considering how you attacked me in another blog about churches.
---Steveng on 4/29/10




worth repeating:
---MarkV I admire very much your witnessing however I'm reminded of the fact that many people are blinded and that blindness will not be lifted except by the Holy Spirit. So based on that thought let us pray that the Holy Spirit will sent ministering spirits to those who are trapped by blindness that they might come to a saveing acknowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
---mima on 4/29/10
Amen!!
---micha9344 on 4/29/10


MarkV.* Ruben, it is my opinion by my experience. When I was a Catholic all my friends were Catholic. I belonged to a gang of about 90 members all Catholic. We all did the same things, go to dances, get drunk, party all night and confess on Saturday.

The problem with your gang, is confession does not cure you of your Disease of alcoholism, just of the Sin. Maybe you guys should had gone together to the AAA program.




---Ruben on 4/29/10


Everyone had an idol. Their parents had idols. They all worshipped Mary the most, and many saints. So yes, it was my experience. I was by no chance God. I didn't read their hearts, only saw their evidence.

---MarkV. on 4/29/10

Mark,

If you and the gang were worshipping idols and Mary then shame on you, that is your doing, Show me documents where the Church allows this to be ok!
---Ruben on 4/29/10


Ruben 2:
if you go to 1 Tim. 4:13, again this passage is speaking of doctrinal Truth, "Till I come give attention to readin to exhortation, to Doctrine. Do not neglect the gift that is in you, (Spirit) which was given to you by prophecy" verse 16 begans with "Take heed to yourself and to the Doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you"
God through His Word saves us, and when we speak that Word to others, others are saved.
People cannot save themselves. Faith comes from hearing, hearing the Word of God.
---MarkV. on 4/29/10


---MarkV I admire very much your witnessing however I'm reminded of the fact that many people are blinded and that blindness will not be lifted except by the Holy Spirit. So based on that thought let us pray that the Holy Spirit will sent ministering spirits to those who are trapped by blindness that they might come to a saveing acknowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
---mima on 4/29/10




Ruben, it is my opinion by my experience. When I was a Catholic all my friends were Catholic. I belonged to a gang of about 90 members all Catholic. We all did the same things, go to dances, get drunk, party all night and confess on Saturday. Never studied, most had the small bible given to us. Nobody opened it. No body knew about rebirth. Everyone had an idol. Their parents had idols. They all worshipped Mary the most, and many saints. So yes, it was my experience. I was by no chance God. I didn't read their hearts, only saw their evidence.
1 Cor. 9:22 does not suggest that Paul is saving people by his own power. It suggest that by bringing the (doctrinal truth of the gospel) many are been saved.
---MarkV. on 4/29/10


MarkV. * Ruben, You might find one or two , but the most of the whole Church does not.

That's is your opnion....

MarkV. * Second, denying Mary is not the biggest worship of Catholics is another lie. I have witnessed myself.

Now you are playing God, thinking you can read what's in thier hearts! Mark, just think if you were there during Paul times and what you would be telling Paul that he is wrong,telling him only God saves!

1 Corinthians 9:22 I have become all things to all men, that I might by all save some .

1 Timothy 4:16 "Take heed to yourself and to your teaching: hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers ."


---Ruben on 4/28/10


Ruben, you can believe what you want. I said it was what was in your heart. I didn't say dancing and drinking a cold one is a sin. I was speaking about the way of life, what the world does. What every Catholic that I lived with did and still do. You might find one or two who take interest in Bible study, but the most of the whole Church does not.
Second, denying Mary is not the biggest worship of Catholics is another lie. I have witnessed myself. I belong to "Immaculet Heart of Mary Church" been there and done that by experience.
Concerning the truth, many, not just me have given the Truth to you, if you have not understood it, it is not our fault. Our job is just to give it concerning doctrines, the rest is up to God.
---MarkV. on 4/27/10


James, my discussions with Ruben have been going on for a long time. What we normally talk about is not Scripture at all. It is the way of life of a Catholic. It does not any means every single person, but of the majority of the Catholic church and what the members do or not do. I speak from experience of been one. And when we go back and forth it always has to do with idol worship, and the lack of many of the Catholics not knowing Scripture. That there is no need to study since they trust what they are taught without question. If I had been a Morman I would speak of what I experience there. But I was not.
When it comes to doctrines, I will make sure that the Truth comes from Scripture not from someone who told me.
---MarkV. on 4/27/10


Ruben,

Brother I know we have our differences, but I have to say,

Awesome job on your last posts.

I am not RCC, and they do a few things I disagree with BUT, what you have said LINES UP with what the word of God says.

Bless you brother!
---miche3754 on 4/27/10

Miche,

I have no problem when someone disagrees with me, but I have a Huge problem when they say that they are speaking the truth.

I am entitle to the same "Spirit" that Jesus promise to us to lead us to the truth.

Until someone can convince me that the 'Sprirt of Truth' is in them and only them then they will get my Attention!

They want me to believe in thier interpretation of scripture but can't tell me why!
---Ruben on 4/27/10


Ruben and Mark: Are yo usure you are actually disputing the same matters. The comment of attacking (not mentioned directly) or defending (mentioned) the RCC is not what we talk about here.

We discuss a particult belief or lack therof, which may be held by some, or even all members of the RCC

Better not to go along the theory that all member of the RCC are exactly the same, or you may have misunderstandings leading to heavy disputes that are not meant
---james on 4/27/10


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Ruben,

Brother I know we have our differences, but I have to say,

Awesome job on your last posts.

I am not RCC, and they do a few things I disagree with BUT, what you have said LINES UP with what the word of God says.

Bless you brother!
---miche3754 on 4/27/10


MarkV. * Ruben, My heart is telling me to reveal the Truth of God's Word no matter the institution.

Mark

If you want me to change then please,please tell me how you can be sure that you are telling the truth?

MarkV. *The worship of Mary, no matter how much you deny it, is one of the most obvious you deny.

Mark, you believe in OSAS and that is obvious not taught in scripture!

MarkV. * And salvation by works is also obvious since you have to do many to be right with God.

Mark to say that works play no part is another one that you denied "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith alone."(JA 2:24)
---Ruben on 4/27/10


MarkV.* Ruben 2:
They don't care to learn, so long as they are committed to their church they think everything is ok. You can do that at any church and the same results will happen.

At any Church including ours, so why is it the Church fault?

MarkV.* No one wants to study the Word of God, they are putting all their faith in the institution, if they say it is ok, nothing else matters.

If what's ok?..

MarkV.*They still act the same, no change in their lifes, they go to dances and bars, live like the world, and Saturdays they confess and the week begins again to the same thing. Been there, done that.

Since when did Dancing and going out to have a few drinks a Sin?
---Ruben on 4/27/10


Ruben, you have been answering for a long time and nothing has changed. It has always been to defend the RCC no matter how much Truth is given. I am not saying do not do it, it is your right to do what is in your heart, and right now your heart is telling you to defend the RCC. My heart is telling me to reveal the Truth of God's Word no matter the institution. The worship of Mary, no matter how much you deny it, is one of the most obvious you deny. And salvation by works is also obvious since you have to do many to be right with God. I do not have time to write all of your catechisms down. You do get a very small Bible when you do your first communion. Then put it away in some drawer to be there forever.
---MarkV. on 4/27/10


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Ruben 2:
All you have to do to see if I am wrong is to go to your church, stop anyone, ask them about sanctification, or what born of the Spirit is, and none can tell you. They don't care to learn, so long as they are committed to their church they think everything is ok. You can do that at any church and the same results will happen. No one wants to study the Word of God, they are putting all their faith in the institution, if they say it is ok, nothing else matters. They still act the same, no change in their lifes, they go to dances and bars, live like the world, and Saturdays they confess and the week begins again to the same thing. Been there, done that.
---MarkV. on 4/27/10


MarkV: You ARE TOTALLY correct, certainly, and we never have any idea of what may happen to the person we speak to (or, on blogs, write to).

You are completely right - about defending an institution (NO) - we are only here to preach to to people, for only people are saved (the RCC as an institution will end)

I just (personally) assume that some in the RCC will be saved [and some will not]

I just hope that comments, even here, may be used [by God] to assist someone, even if only one

PS - I am not arguing with you - if it looks like that, I apologize in advance!
---peter3594 on 4/27/10


People in the RCC do not do enough to study the truth for themselves, they have been depending on the Church teachings for a long time and one reason most don't carry a Bible to Church.
---MarkV. on 4/24/10

Mark, The reason we do not carry a Bible in Church is beacuse we are not having a Bible study! I would like for you to quit pretending that you know about the Catholic Church because it is obvious you have no idea. Just because you would born and raise a Catholic does not make you an expert
---Ruben on 4/26/10


MarkV.* The one's answering here, are not here to hear the Truth, they are here to defend the RCC.

I wonder why?

Let's see you claim Catholic's worship Mary, not true!

You claim Catholic's earn their way to Heaven, not true!

I have repeated ask you for Documents for both cases, yet to see one.

You claim that your interpretation of scriptures is the truth (tongue in cheek) over mine, but yet have not been told why!
---Ruben on 4/26/10


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James, you said,
" MarkV: God may use things read, even many years before, to change a person's way of thinking (He did that to me - it was 8 years from when I read the Bible to when I beleived"
You said what I said, "God" may use any means to bring someone to Christ. But we can use all kinds of means and can never change someone heart. It comes from God through the Truth of His Word. The one's answering here, are not here to hear the Truth, they are here to defend the RCC. We've had the same people answer for years now and nothing but the same answers. There is a difference in defending the Truth and defending an institution. And as I said, genuine Christians come from all area's.
---MarkV. on 4/26/10


MarkV: you commented 'we are not going to convince one Catholic who answers here'. you may be right, but I think the main thing is to state things. God may use things read, even many years before, to change a person's way of thinking (He did that to me - it was 8 years from when I read the Bible to when I beleived).

Also: I do not think that all Catholics need to 'be convinced'. I know many Orthodox Greeks (where I come from) who attent other denominational churches, and whose faith is the same as ours..... and others who are quite different
---James on 4/25/10


-- Nana :

Brother, The structuring way you wrote your post, is that you're speaking ONLY to & about MarkE, claiming that his reply "Is a big fat lie!" : When it came from MarkV !!!

You only addressed & quoted MarkE, and never addressed anyone else. So, Your statement on 4/23/10, of "You repplied: Nana, let me say...", may have been intended for MarkV, but you never addressed MarkV.

Nana, It's unfortunate "you have issues" with the illiterate.... But you yourself really need to learn to properly structure & address a post, so that those who can read are able to clearly comprehend what you're sharing.

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 4/24/10


"-- Nana :

Brother, That reply didn't come from MarkE, it was posted by MarkV !!!!! "
---Shawn.M.T on 4/23/10

No wonder we have issues! You do not know how to read.

I ENTERED a QUOTE from Mark-Eaton and my only contribution to the entry was my signed name and, "That is an excellent doctrinal point, Mark-Eaton."

There was no need to address me with Catholic doctrines when I brought none of them to the blog.

Please go back and re-read the "Who Is The Church" blog.
---Nana on 4/24/10


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James, good morning. I believe we can bring the truth out over and over and we are not going to convince one Catholic who answers here. This are only discussions about what other do and teach.
When the Truth goes out, God takes over and uses His truth to bring some to Christ who are listening and reading that Truth. What happened in history cannot be change. We can talk about that, and our opinions all day long but they will not change a heart. Only God can change us from the inside, from our heart. And we sure don't know who they will be. They can be from the RCC or any other denomination. For the real Church of Christ consist of all those who are born of the Spirit. So they come from everywhere. I'm sure a whole lot come from the RCC.
---MarkV. on 4/24/10


21st.century idols are money (the love of aquireing it) fame,ones looks,fancy cars,homes,swimming pools etc.
---shirley on 4/24/10


Darline 2:
Second, the RCC members had an excuse in the old times since their was no Bibles they could read so they depended on the Church for the truth. But now they have no excuse for not knowing since we have all kinds of information to help us learn the Truth. Bibles that can help, commentaries that can bring light to passages. Which is the reason many have left the Church. In Europe many churches closed and Islam has taken over most of those churches, something I read on the history of the church.
God will hold us responsible, not an institution. Jesus is not on the cross anymore, He is risen, no more sacrifices on mass or walking miles on our knees as a sacrifice, your right, He did it all on the cross already.
---MarkV. on 4/24/10


For these disputes between protestants and the RCC, we must again ask two big question:
(1) WHAT are the doctrines which DEFINE salvation?
(2) WHAT are the doctines (or beleifs) which will damn a person

I know that protestants and the RCC have differences, BUT if the two churches always claim the other on is of satan, no reconcilliation will occur. Right now I see little movement to try to guide the other group to a more proper belief - protestants condemn the RCC, the RCC does the same

Are we not told to teach our brothers and preach the faith no unbeleivers?
---James on 4/24/10


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Darline, thanks for sharing. I've been to two shrines and in both it didn't seem like they were praying to the saints, "they were praying to them" you could hear their names call out very clearly. What was amazing was that at the shrine of San Juan, in San Juan Texas, they had Jesus in a coffin made of glass. And no one was there, no candles for Him, no asking in prayers. But when you went to where the Saint was, hundreds of people from all over the state and country were there, Jesus has taken a back seat to Mary and the saints. People in the RCC do not do enough to study the truth for themselves, they have been depending on the Church teachings for a long time and one reason most don't carry a Bible to Church.
---MarkV. on 4/24/10


-- Nana :

Brother, That reply didn't come from MarkE, it was posted by MarkV !!!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 4/23/10


Nana, even in the comment you wrote, I never mentioned you were a Catholic. What I said was the Evangelicals and RCC can never unite. Plain and simple. I was commenting on rituals of mass, purgatory etc. I never once said you were a Catholic. I did not lie, in fact you lied saying I did.
Nana, why don't you stop your nonesense? If you care enough about defending the Truth it sure does not show it. You argue just to argue. You don't like my comments on the doctrines then show where I am wrong, don't make anything up. The truth is they are idol worshippers, plain and simple. Just admit it, for everyone knows it already.
---MarkV. on 4/23/10


"Who Is The Church" blog I entered:

"Additionally, you must remember that in John 15 that abide is written using the present participle in Greek, meaning continual/habitual action or

a "lifestyle". We cannot abide once and get the job done. "
---Mark_Eaton on 4/18/10

That is an excellent doctrinal point, Mark-Eaton.
Nana on 4/20/10


You repplied:

"Nana, let me say that there can never be any unity between the RCC and evangelicals Churches when the doctrines of the RCC, the teachings regarding mass, purgatory, indulgences, ..."

So,

"I have never called you a Catholic."

Is a big fat lie!
---Nana on 4/23/10


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Mark V,I've been to the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico we had to wait in a long line and once in,there were people in the seats,who I assume were,or they appeared to be,in worship. My sister-in-law and I finally got on through there and sat down to rest while we waited for the rest of our tour group,we were saddened to see a tiny little woman with two young children coming across the cobbled street on her knees. I had already heard some people come for miles like that and arrive with torn,bleeding knees. I think this is all a result of being taught they must atone for any sins they commit which is false doctrine since Christ did that for humankind and all we need do is pray for forgiveness not shed our blood for that means nothing.
---Darlene_1 on 4/23/10


Ruben, I'm sorry you believe in the worship of idols. But the Second Commandment was about sacred images, that concern God or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth, you shall not bow down to them nor serve them" That pretty well covered all the one's the Catholic worships. I am a witness to this Ruben and you cannot dispute what I witnessed.
---MarkV. on 4/22/10

Were the people who bow down to the Ark of the Covenant worshipping the idol? When Moses had everyone bow the pole "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole," (Numb 21: 7-9)wasn't he telling everyone to worship?
---Ruben on 4/23/10


An Idol is anything that you worship above above God.
Your car can be an idol.
Your house can be and idol.
Anything that you love and show love to above God.

In a Christians life, nothing should come before God.
Also, if you are praying to something or someone other than God in Jesus' name, you are praying to a false god. It is that simple.
Jesus told us when we pray to pray to GOD the FATHER in HIS(Jesus) name. no one else.
---miche3754 on 4/23/10


Nana, I dispute your doctrines and they fall under the banner of the RCC. And second, I have never called you a Catholic. At first when I begin to answer you, I thought you were a Catholic. After you mention you were not I believed you. My reponses are to your Catholic answers.
---MarkV. on 4/23/10


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"I am a witness to this Ruben and you cannot dispute what I witnessed."
---MarkV. on 4/22/10
I question if you know anything about Catholics, being that you keep calling me RC even after I have told you a number of times that I am not. Why do you dispute what I witness and testify?
---Nana on 4/23/10


Ruben, I'm sorry you believe in the worship of idols. As I said before I use to also. I would get on my knees to Our lady of Guadalupe, my mom had her idol, San Martin. And all other hispanics I knew had their own. People had shrines in the homes. They lit candles to them and worship the saints. That is idol worship. But the Second Commandment was about sacred images, that concern God or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth, you shall not bow down to them nor serve them" That pretty well covered all the one's the Catholic worships. I am a witness to this Ruben and you cannot dispute what I witnessed.
---MarkV. on 4/22/10


Markv --I'm sure you are right about what the commandment meant in the beginning...because that was a very real temptation for the Hebrews surrounded by paganism which deified figures of stone, wood and metal.
Modern Christians have spiritualized this command
---Donna66 on 4/22/10


Peter, I'm sure it was talking about idols in the image of God and heavenly beings.
Sure there is idols that others worship, sometimes not realizing they are doing it. But the Second Commandment was not for that. The worship of man made representations was nothing less than hatred of the true God.
---MarkV. on 4/22/10


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Whenever God's people began making sacred images, it is a clear sign that they had departed from God. Jeremiah declares,
"The customs of the peoples are worthless, they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold, But the Lord is the true God, He is a living God, the eternal King" (Jeremiah 10:3-5,9-10).
---MarkV. on 4/22/10


Really:

Passage Exodus 25:18-22:

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
---Ruben on 4/22/10


Avoiding idolatry does not mean one cannot be interested in anything but God. It means to worship something above God.

Nothing about time, property, money (or "mammon") is bad unless you place it above God in importance. It's not the thing itself, but the use you make of it, that counts. Use these to serve God.

Science is the study of the natural world that God created. Unless you are one of the "mother earth/gaia" types, the study of science should glorify God and enhance the well-being of man. Of course, the ungodly will not see it that way. But that fact does not cancel the value of genuine scientific inquiry for believers.
---Donna66 on 4/22/10


MarkV: Are you sure that it is only sacred images? Is it possible that our trust in other things (science, medicine, whatever) could be the same?
---Peter on 4/22/10


jesus said a man can not serve two masters,he was speaking about money,and said that the love of money is the root of all evil.
---tom2 on 4/21/10


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Whenever God's people began making sacred images, it is a clear sign that they had departed from God. Jeremiah declares,
"The customs of the peoples are worthless, they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold, they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak, they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them, they can do no harm nor can they do good. What the craftsman and goldsmith have made is then dressed in blue and purple and made by skilled workers, But the Lord is the true God, He is a living God, the eternal King" (Jeremiah 10:3-5,9-10).
---MarkV. on 4/22/10


I would have to say 2 things,tecknology,and lifestyles as a result of it have pulled more people away from God,but also the never ending search for knowledge,called science,also has become a major idol.
---tom2 on 4/21/10


Same idols different century, just ahve new faces, it's all trash, love God
---Bozo on 4/21/10


Time,Money & Property,and all the false senses of security they provide,lol,so i guess the same as the 20th,19th,18th,17th etc.
---kevin on 4/21/10


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Lets get something right. The Second Commandment was not talking about not worshipping other idols or pagan gods or heathen gods, flag poles, televisions sports, witches etc. That is only a smoke screen.
It was talking about sacred images. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That was the reason for the commandment. God already knows that those idols can not answer prayers. God demonstrated that to the Egyptians when He brought all the plagues upon Egypt, and their gods could do nothing.
God has not been slow to express His opposition to the use of sacred images. He has prohibited images because they cannot convey who God really is. No image of Jesus, no matter how magnificent it is, can capture the nature of the Lord.
---MarkV. on 4/21/10


Idols Part 2:
After God delievered Israel from the bondage of Egypt He said to the Israelites,
"You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman" Deu. 4:15-16). God's displeasure at being represented in the form of a sacred image marks the darker moments in Israel's history. When Moses went to get the Ten Commandments the people saw Moses was gone too long and Aaron was told to make gods who will go before them" They were not trying to create a new God, the calf was suppose to represent God their deliverer
---MarkV. on 4/21/10


Cluny: I do not think they were created SO THAT man could worship himself, but I do think they are used that way all too often! Larry does have a point there, I think
---peter on 4/19/10


\\After all wasn't Television and Film created so man could worship himself?\\

No. They weren't.

Try again.
---Cluny on 4/19/10


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What are 21st century idols, the same idol we've always had, mankind?

Nothing has changed in the heart only the accouterments.

After all wasn't Television and Film created so man could worship himself?
---larry on 4/19/10


Cluny, while the verb (ereunate/erevnate) can be either, I would take from the latter part of the sentence that it is the indicative, the 'because in them... etc' would not work well, either in Greek or in English, if it was an imperative (my 1st century Greek is not good!)
---peter on 4/19/10


my vain imaginations
---aka_joseph on 4/18/10


\\Jesus Himself commanded the Scribes and Pharisees to "Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life:and they are they which testify of me." \\

The Greek verb in this passage can just as well be simple indicative (You are searching the scriptures.....) as well as imperative (Search the scriptures...)

I believe, in context, it is simple indicative.
---Cluny on 4/18/10


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The 20th century was from 1901-2000, the 20th hundred year period(century).
We are in the 21st century, the 21st hundred year period.
The 2000 1st century would either mean the first hundred year cycle happening the 2000th time or the century that begins in 200101 and ends in 200199, the 2000 1st hundred year period.
Of course all this is A.D., since there was a 21st century B.C. as well, sometime around when Abraham was alive.
---MIchael on 4/18/10


Well, is this the 20th century or the 2000 first century?
---catherine on 4/18/10


If an idol is anything that gets in the way of seeing Jesus, then Jesus Himself said in John 10 that devotion to the Bible can become idolatry.
---Cluny on 4/16/10
Cluny, this would be true if the person(s) who devote themselves to "the Bible" are doing so only for self-gratification. Jesus Himself commanded the Scribes and Pharisees to "Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life:and they are they which testify of me." The Bible is the Word of GOD, not just words of men about God. There is no harm in devotion to the Scriptures if yhe are allowed to deepen our communion with GOD and His Son Jesus Christ.
---tommy7376 on 4/18/10


Darlene, yes you are right. I did not mean that we should not miss a church service to go with our family somewhere - I guess that's what it looked like. I mean that there may be times when thinking too much about our spouse/children/family may actually come between us and God. You are right, the example I gave was not very good. I feel that absolutely anything except God himself (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) can beome an idol - the question is, what is our greatest danger in this century - money? success? shopping? having a better house? In our century, it's certainly not the idols of the OT times, the gods of wood or whatever of the Philistines
---james on 4/18/10


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James I guess they could. I think Christians should have a commitment to going to church but not to exclude the family every Sunday for the church. Serving God is not being tied to a church every Sunday. God is first but Family comes before church and its activites. I learned that from experience. I was at church for all the things going on,church,work day,Vacation Bible School and I realized I was wrong. My husband a nonchurch goer who never complained at any time but I woke up to the fact I was first a wife and he was more important than being at church every time the door opened.
---Darlene_1 on 4/17/10


The Pope (it's just gossip), Jerry Falwell (one hand on the TV to other on your checkbook), John Hagee(thank god for Hitler), Pat Robertson (it was god's punishment for...), Billy Graham (prophet to Presidents), Jim and Tammy Bakker (she was her own painted idol),Ted Haggard (a little more to the right please), Tony Alamo (we beat children don't we?), Rick Warren (chatted with Obama), Tim LaHaye (the end is near the sky is falling).
---atheist on 4/16/10


Darlene, I am concerned that even family CAN become an idol. There are times when family can damage one's worship of God - for example, if one consistently feels that he wants to always go away with his family every Sunday (because they all enjoy it), and as a result misses services (assume the time spent with the family is spent specifiaclly injoying themselves, not it building hte faith of the family). In that case, one could say the family has become an idol [possibly, at least]. I would say that anything except God Himself and the Trinity, can become an idol
---James on 4/16/10


An Idol is anything you do which causes you to put God second or push him aside. This doesn't include your family,God made a place for them,and knows there are times we must be there for family when we could be with the Lord. Its a symbol or representation of something you worship,an image,a likeness of something,an object of extreme devotion. There are many things which can fall into the definition of idol. Whatever you pour out your love,time,energy upon to the point it possesses you and is the most important thing in your life is your idol.
---Darlene_1 on 4/16/10


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I would say the number one idol in today's world (USA) is entertainment or leisure.

Everything we do/see/read/think about entertainment. Do I need to list the stuff?

Reminds me of Scripture.

2 Tim 3:1-4 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/16/10


Whatever absorbs one's mind or consumes one's thoughts are for that one their God, and if that is anything other than our Father, His Way, His Truth, His life, it is an idol.
---joseph on 4/16/10


If an idol is anything that gets in the way of seeing Jesus, then Jesus Himself said in John 10 that devotion to the Bible can become idolatry.
---Cluny on 4/16/10


Let's not forget Sports! Just how many suppose Christians will NOT go to any Church service (Matins, Divine Liturgy, Vespers, etc) if the SuperBowl or any other sports events are airing on television?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/15/10


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all types of entertainment,sports,movies,tv,money,lifestyles,building wealth for retirement,tecknology,science,theres alot more.
---tom2 on 4/15/10


Accordance to Exdous 20, a Idol is any image that is worship, given "proskunesis" ("worship" in the highest sense), which is reserve to God Alone. In truth, one can turn anything into a Idol (one's television, car, jewelry, business life, etc).

Anything that turn our soul, mind, and heart, away from God is a Idol. As our Lord proclaimed, "Ye cannot serve God and Mammon" (Mat 6:24).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 4/15/10


Anything that can direct your attention away from God. My 21st century picks are:
self, television, computer/internet, money
All of which can give God the glory if used properly.
---MIchael on 4/15/10


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