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What Are The Seven Bowls

Does anyone know what are the seven bowls of wrath that God is going to pour out upon the earth in the book of Revelation? What are they?

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mark
it is impossible to understand the chronology of revelation without comparing it with matthew 24
jesus himself gave us the keys to understanding it
when you read chapter 11,12 and 13 in rev, they are "flashbacks" to what already started before the events of the 6th seal
i.e. - the last 42 months "start" within the 5th seal and "finish" at the 7th trumpet which is the completion of the "week"

the week marks the end of the age, followed by the bowl judgments and armageddon (30 days)
---glen on 4/30/10


mark
i didn't say the beast was destroyed at the 7th trumpet
he is destroyed 30 days after his reign(armageddon)


daniel 12:11
11and from the time of the turning aside of the perpetual [sacrifice], and to the giving out of the desolating abomination, [are] days a *thousand, two hundred, and ninety.*

1290 days from the start of his reign he is destroyed but his "official" reign ends 30 days before because it is then christs kingdom
---glen on 4/30/10


satan is not cast out after the 7th trumpet
rev 12 is describing what happened earlier before the day of the lord even started (before the 6th seal)

how could satan be cast out and possess the antichrist just before the bowls? satan is already on the earth long before the trumpets are even blown

as i've shown earlier the AOD is already on the earth before the 6th seal
---glen on 4/30/10


the 7th trumpet marks the end of the official reign of the beast, which passes over to christ
---glen on 4/29/10

I cannot agree with this statement. The kingdom of the world is now Christ's and the mystery of God is finished, but is the beast finished? I don't think so.

Rev 12:9-10 tells us what happens as a result of the 7th trumpet. Satan is cast out of heaven and onto the earth only. This is significant. Satan can no longer accuse anyone before God as he has done since Adam sinned.

We also see the beast again in Rev 16:10 where the angel pours out the bowl on his throne and his kingdom. He still has power at the time of the fifth bowl.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/30/10


the 7th trumpet marks the end of the official reign of the beast, which passes over to christ

it is also the point where no one can be saved, and killing of saints end
it is the end of repentance, for those who do not repent before this time it's too late

but when you mean the VERY end yes it ends with the bowls and armageddon, the AOD is on the earth for 1290 days, at which point it is destroyed

After a time, times, and a half,(1260 days) and at the completion of the scattering of the power of the holy people, finished are all these.'

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

---glen on 4/29/10




look at the chronology in matt 24 and read my posts
---glen on 4/29/10

This is were we differ.

The chronology in Matt 24 is difficult, because Jesus is describing events related to three time periods, see Matt 24:3.

Matt 24:29-31 applies to the coming of the Jesus for the saints. Compare the events to Rev 6:12-17 and Eze 38:19-23. Everything culminating in God and Jesus being made known to the whole world.

The A of D occurs at the half/middle of the week, Dan 9:27.

The judgments of Rev have a big, Bigger, BIGGEST kind of ring to them. Each one gets progressively worse. Seals, trumptets, bowls, each one is worse than the prior one. The trumpets cannot be the end, the bowls must be.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/29/10


there will be some tribulation in the first half of the week but it will only cover a quarter of the earth(4th seal)

when the AOD happens it will be a temporary "perceived" peace according to the world
"who is like the beast who is able to make war with him"

but this so called peace will be interrupted by christ when he comes for his saints at an unknown day following the signs in the 6th seal, and then his wrath is poured out

luke 17:29
and on the day Lot went forth from Sodom, He rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed all.

rev 8:7
The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth.
---glen on 4/29/10


mark
it's not possible for the 42 months to be after the 7th trumpet
this is when the kingdoms of the world become christs

it ENDS at the 7th trumpet (Officially), but he is destroyed 30 days later at armageddon(1290 days) book of daniel

the 42 months begin before the 6th seal
look at the chronology in matt 24 and re read my posts
the AOD starts before the events of the 6th seal
jewish saints are killed DURING the day of the lord by the beast, but the judgments of God (trumpets)do not affect them

if there is a pretrib rapture it would have to be before the events of the 6th seal
---glen on 4/29/10


Glen:

I agree with most of the information in your posts.

I see the seventh trumpet as the halfway point of the 70th week and the point where the true "reign" of the beast begins. The witnesses are killed, the 144 thousand are sent to heaven, the A of D happens, and really bad wrath of God begins.

The Day of Lord is a long period of time. It encompasses the 70th week, the millenial reign, the judgment, and the destruction of the heavens and the earth.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/29/10


i see where your coming from now
i know the seals are not the judgment of GOd
i also know the day of the lord comes after the 6th seal
just one thing the day of the lord starts at an unknown day and hour during the tribulation
that is why you see the multitude caught up OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION in the 6th seal
it's just as christ described in matt24, AFTER the trib of those days the sun,moon,stars

the events in rev 13 are all speaking in "detail" of what already began "before" the day of the lord started
i know it's placed in chapter 13 but that does not mean it starts after the 6th trumpet
the 7oth week starts before the day of the lord
---glen on 4/29/10




it is an assumption to say that the 70th week marks the day of the lord

the day of the lord is not a specific time period, and starts at an unknown day
it is also not a literal 24 hour day either

the reign of the beast (42 months), is the same period as the 2 witnesses ministry

the beast cannot have authority over the earth at the same time that christ declares his ownership of it at the 7th trumpet

that would be nonsensical
---glen on 4/29/10


the 70th week is a period of time that starts before the day of the lord

look at the chronology here

matt 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,..

21For then shall be great tribulation,

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

rev6 12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood,

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
---glen on 4/29/10


the 2nd half of the week is already underway at the 5th seal

the day of the lords wrath comes after the resurrection/rapture of rev 7
---glen on 4/27/10

Again, you seem to confuse me with what you say here.

How can the 2nd half of the week be underway at the 5th seal when the week has not started?

I see Daniel's 70th week not starting until the seventh seal is removed. The seals are NOT part of the judgment and not part of the Day of the Lord.

The events of the sixth seal lines up very well with Joel 2:30-32, which says BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

I see all the trumpets, the death of the two witnesses, and the removal of the 144 thousand all happening before the halfway point of the 70th week.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/28/10


mark
you are correct and confirmed what i already said

the 5th seal event is the the wrath of antichrist/satan, but not the Judgment of GOD

people get the tribulation of the saints mixed up with the wrath of God which are 2 different things

the trumpets,bowls are for unbelievers "those that dwell on the earth" and do not effect the saints

the 7th seal contain the contents of Gods wrath

but the tribulation of saints precede it

the 2nd half of the week is already underway at the 5th seal

the day of the lords wrath comes after the resurrection/rapture of rev 7
---glen on 4/27/10


Glen:

You refer to the fifth seal.

The souls under the altar cry out to God:

"How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

Why would they, in the middle of God's judgment (if the seals were judgment), dare to ask God "when are you going to avenge us and judge them?". Seems like arrogance to me.

No, I think you are reading it incorrectly. The seals are not inside of God's judgment, just immediately before it.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/27/10


Young's Literal Translation
'Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the "trial" that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.

trial is not a reference to tribulation of the saints, but it is about Gods wrath from the 7th seal, that the saints will be taken before

trial is for unbelievers who "dwell on the earth"
not the saints
---glen on 4/26/10


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the seals DO contain the tribulation of the saints

9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

how is this not the tribulation?

11And white robes were given unto every one of them, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
---glen on 4/27/10


mark
your right about the seals coming first,followed by trumpets ,then bowls

the multitude in rev 7 come out of great tribulation - which is the tribulation of the saints

what happens from the 7th seal is Gods wrath on "those that dwell on the earth" - NOT the saints who have already been removed

when the antichrist is revealed at the AOD, there will be a time of false security for the world, but a time of tribulation for the saints
---glen on 4/26/10


Cluny:

You quote the John 17 passage, but I ask you who is Jesus praying for? Verse 6 tells me Jesus is praying for "the men whom You gave Me out of the world" or the Apostles. Your quoted verse is verse 15 while Jesus is still praying for the Apostles. We (all believers) do not come into the prayer until verse 20 "those who believe in Me through their word". So actually, the request of Jesus you quote is not really about US.

Also, If John 17 establishes a law of God, then even a post-trib rapture must be untrue. According to this new law, any rapture that rescues people out of this world cannot be true. Your about-face rapture cannot be valid.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/26/10


Rod4Him:

We have discussed your theory before.

You are supposing that the seals are part of the Tribulation. Why? A scroll being held closed by wax seals does not include the seals as part of the message. The seals are not judgment, they are merely a precursor to the judgment. The scroll is God's judgment on those who inhabit the earth.

Your analysis on the great multitude in Rev 7 says that this is a vision AFTER the entire book is completed, not during the chronology of the book itself. That makes no sense to me and does not fit the way the book is written. John sees and records in sequence of events and the great multitude occurs between the sixth and seventh seals.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/26/10


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Humm.... am I the only one who kinda wonders why Cluny likes to make snide remarks but won't answer simple Bible questions.
---Elder on 4/24/10


rod4him,I understand.dont know your age iam over 60,was saved at the age of 24.Having lived and worked all over the us,and in central america,and africa,and middleast,and south america,I have learned many things about people,and have personally experienced the vast scale of attitudes they project.many are so poor and destotute they are without the trappings that affect lifestyles of the industralized world. These people I have found are usually the ones that seem closer to God,materialism never crosses their minds,because mere survival is a challenge.
---tom2 on 4/23/10


\\Believe Cluny, John Chrysostom or the Bible.\\

Both John Chrysostom and I believe the Bible.

I don't know about Elder.
---Cluny on 4/23/10


[1] A loathsome and malignant sore on the people. [2] Poured out His bowl into the sea, and it bcame blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died. [3] into the river and the springs of waters, and they became blood. [4] Upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. [5] On the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became darkened, and they gnawed their tongues because of pain. [6] The six angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the East. [7] Upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, 'it is done" [Revelation 16].
---catherine on 4/23/10


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Believe Cluny, John Chrysostom or the Bible.
People do not understand this issue because they don't rightly divide the Scriptures.
Of course there are believers in the Tribulation. They get Saved after the Rapture. That is why the two wittness and the 144,000 preach and minister.
Who is the bride at the marriage of the Lamb in ch 18:7?
There is no "U Turn." The Bride is called up, the Bema judgement takes place then the Second Coming, in that order. What about the Bema Judgement? What is it, who is involved? Where does it take place? Understand this. It will help with the rest.
Cluny to use your great biblical knowledge tell me about the seven trumpet judgement in ch 8:6-9:21. Where is the 7th judgement and what is it?
---Elder on 4/23/10


tom2, nothing taken personal, but I am smiling. Again, for the sake of conciseness, I said people are good in Christ.

There's some hair splitting that I don't care to get into now.

As Jeremiah said from God, let the rich man glory in his riches, let the wise man glory in his wisdom, but let him that gloriest, glory in that he understands and knows ME.

But I do agree with you. These blogs turn into being a group of Sanhedrin. :)

There's a time and place for everything. Sometimes I am just not into dissecting the nuances of everything.

Concerning Rev., pure speculation is the name of the game, therefore I condensed the point, "a day of judgement."
---Rod4Him on 4/23/10


the final catching up is completed by the time the 7th trumpet sounds

it starts at the 6th seal with the multitude, followed by Gods wrath with the trumpets, 2 witnesses/144000 caught up just before the 7th sounds

after this no more catchings up, but there will be a remnant who are saved and remain in they're mortal bodies to repopulate
---glen on 4/23/10


Rod4Him, I agree with your exposition 4/22/10.
---Nana on 4/22/10


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rod4him,please dont take this as a personal attack,just my opinion,those who are in christ are a new creature ,for sure,but still not good,they are made righteous in Gods eyes because of jesus.Jesus himself when he was called good said,why do you say iam good,only the father in heaven is good,yes we all know he was without sin,but I believe he was trying to make the same point iam,while we live in the flesh we will never be good ,just covered.
---tom2 on 4/23/10


Not seeing any believers on earth after Rev 3:22 is a bit of seeing what one wants to see.
Later on in Rev. it says the ones in white robes have come out of the tribulation. It doesn't say, that they came out before the tribulation. Also in Rev a question was asked, how long before God will judge and avenge the saints? The answer was to wait a little longer till the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. Sounds like believers still on earth having trials...um..
---Rod4Him on 4/22/10


Mark Easton, Jesus prayed, "I ask that You NOT take them out of this world, but keep them safe from the Evil One."

Those who believe in a pre-trib rapture pray, "Don't listen to Jesu, God! You take us OUT of this world."

1 Thes says NOTHING about Jesus doing a U-turn in mid-air. "Descend" does not mean that, but to go from up to down.

WE do the U-turn to escort the Lord back down to earth.

You might want to read the sermon by John Chrysostom, 4th century expository preacher, on this passage. It's on line.
---Cluny on 4/22/10


Rev ch 2 & 3 we have the messages to the 7 local churches in Asia. They were real yet the messages can encourage and direct us today. Something happened between ch 3:22 and 4:1. John sees a door opened, hears a trumpet that calls, "Come up hither." He is then in the presence of the Lord. I ask what happened? The church, which is the New Testament born again believers, is not seen after Rev 4:1.
I Thess 4 shows almost the same thing.
Even Noah was lifted up above the water judgement. Lot was removed before judgement fell.
God promised to keep us from the great hour of temptation. If there is no pre-trib removal of believers where does the Bema Judgement take place?
Believe the Bible or Cluny.
---Elder on 4/22/10


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It's in there.
---Cluny on 4/22/10

Show me.

I can certainly show you my understanding in Scripture. Can't you show me yours?

I will understand clear teaching. I have no prejudice, just a learning of my own and a teachable spirit. If you can show me, I will listen.

I do not challenge people lightly. I think if you put forth an opinion that is not agreed with, you should be able to clearly explain why you believe what you believe.

Otherwise, what do you say to unsaved people when they want to know what you believe?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/22/10


\\Let me say to you the same thing I say to other people, prove it to me with Scripture.\
\

It's in there.

If you don't believe the clear teaching of the Bible that there's no pre-trib rapture, then you won't believe me.

In any case "Sola scriptura" is your rule and your game, not mine or the Bible's, and I don't have to play by it.
---Cluny on 4/22/10


It's part of the Tribulation that Christians will go through.

They won't be raptured out of it.
---Cluny on 4/21/10

I hear you say this over and over and over. I have let it pass long enough.

Let me say to you the same thing I say to other people, prove it to me with Scripture.

Show me in Scripture where you form the basis of belief that there is not a Rapture or if you believe there is a Rapture, where it happens.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/22/10


You are right, Tom2. I was being concise. Good people being those in Christ Jesus.
---Rod4Him on 4/22/10


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there are no good people.
---tom2 on 4/21/10


Bad things will happen to bad people, and good things will happen to good people.

There is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement.
---Rod4Him on 4/21/10


donna,they are as follows
1 sores on those who bare satans mark
2 sea becomes blood
3 rivers and springs become blood
4 sun scorches people
5 satan kingdom turns dark
6 the euphrates river dries up
7 God declares it is done,thunder,lightning,the greatest earthquake ever occurs,then giant hail falls all over the world.
---tom2 on 4/21/10


It's part of the Tribulation that Christians will go through.

They won't be raptured out of it.
---Cluny on 4/21/10

Cluny while I agree with you that Christians will indeed be here on earth for the tribulation, but do you realize Most don't agree with us? Why is that?
---Donna5535 on 4/21/10


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Donna some refer to the bowl judgements as vials. There will be,
first, the seals, then the bowls and last the trumpet judgements.
Here are the Bowls, in the occuring order, that you asked about in Rev 16:1-21.
1. Followers of Anti-Christ covered with terrible sores, v2.
2. All salt water poisoned, v3.
3. All fresh water poisoned, v4-7
4. Extreme heat from the sun causes blisters, v8-9.
5. Darkness falls on the capital of the Anti-Christ, v10-11.
6. The great Euphrates river drys up, v12-16.
7. The greatest earthquake and hail storm, occurs on the earth, 17-21.
---Elder on 4/21/10


tom2, what are they? Plagues or something like that? What's being poured out from those bowls? I can't find it in Revelation. Thank you.
---Donna5535 on 4/21/10


It's part of the Tribulation that Christians will go through.

They won't be raptured out of it.
---Cluny on 4/21/10


they are a judgement upon the non believing world,refered to as Gods wrath.
---tom2 on 4/21/10


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