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What Is A Good Work

In ephesians 4:28, we are told [KJV] 'working with his hands the thing which is good'. How do we define 'the thing which is good' - and so, what work should we be doing. What jobs, actually, do not make what is good?

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I'm not sure of the actual count, but I think what I'm writing now is going to close out this blog. As I said, the truth is uncomfortable, so much so, that on a DISCUSSION FORUM, Rob, you seemed to feel uncomfortable enough to cite 2 Timothy 2.

The participants in the discussion didn't PICK (this is a DISCUSSION forum?...YES or NO) and try to villify "discussion" as a bad thing. It's not TRUE that discussion is a bad thing.


2 Thessalonians 2:10
"because they refused to love the truth AND SO BE SAVED".
---more_excellent_way on 5/10/10


---Rob on 5/10/10
But for some reason I find myself being hard pressed to get people to do these two things.

Hang in there Rob
Acts 16:14 Paul was having the same problem
---michael_e on 5/10/10


A good work is something a person does not through themself or in the flesh, but it is Christ doing it in and through them, Galatians 2:20-21.
---Rob on 5/9/10

AMEN!!!
---miche3754 on 5/10/10


Yes, Mark, and to Joseph also, it was a very lively discussion. I wish practical and lively conversations/discussions were more common. A discussion should be an adventure, and this one surely was. A discussion should not be made with intelligence only, but 'heart' also.

Thank YOU and I look forward to more.
---more_excellent_way on 5/10/10


Thank You Michael E.

People sit in so called Churches week after week, month after month, and year after year. I try to encourage people to follow the command found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19 along with the example found in Acts 17:11.

But for some reason I find myself being hard pressed to get people to do these two things.
---Rob on 5/10/10




Most Excellent Way, I want to thank you for your answers. It was nice discussing things of Scripture with you, peace to you.
---MarkV. on 5/9/10


Rob on 5/9/10 A good work is something a person does not through themself or in the flesh, but it is Christ doing it in and through them, Galatians 2:20-21.

You're right on Rob, but not many study enough to see it.
---michael_e on 5/9/10


In Romans 6:22, "babes in Christ" (people who have just accepted Jesus as savior) are being told that they NO LONGER should be slaves to "law". Now, AS BABES, they should be slaves to GOD INSTEAD.

It is the same today, BABES should be SLAVES, but then graduate to MATURITY and become SONS.

1 Corinthians 3:1
"as men of the flesh, as babes in Christ".

Scripture is useful for TRAINING in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16) so that babes can be fed the MILK of devotion before they graduate to a mature devotion and are fed "solid food".

1 Corinthians 3:2
"I fed you with milk, not solid food".

Hebrews 5:14
"But solid food is for the mature".
---more_excellent_way on 5/9/10


A good work is something a person does not through themself or in the flesh, but it is Christ doing it in and through them, Galatians 2:20-21.
---Rob on 5/9/10


A Review of: A More Excellent Way by Henry Wright By: Hampton Keathley IV
"So, I read his book called A More Excellent Way. It certainly appears biblical, because he has a verse or two for every point he makes. I actually counted 186 verses quoted in the first 50 pages. But I didnt find it to be at all biblical because of the way he uses scripture."

The parallel is amazing.
---aka_joseph on 5/9/10




Mark and Joseph,

COULD "YOU" do something that is Godly/righteous/holy without being commanded? (YES or NO). IF you have to be ORDERED to behave in a Godly manner, YOU MUST "OBEY". If not, then you can live "the law of LIBERTY" (James 1:25 and 2:12, Ephes. 2:15) and you don't have to be a "slave", you can be a "SON".

Could you WILLINGLY give help/assistance to someone (instead of GRUDGINGLY help a person)?.

We must not be hypocrites by grudgingly helping a person, we must only help people when we can be a WILLING/cheerful giver.

If you are not rebellious (criminal type), then why are you believing the lie that YOU need to be COMMANDED/ordered?

---more_excellent_way on 5/8/10


Truth is not necessarily in what we present, it is in what we hide. Jesus clearly is not upset that the Pharisees use God's name to support their own religion, He is upset that the truth is distorted and hidden from the people who really need it.

Again, your last post is hard to follow. If you want to interpret my words as being upset because I am uncomfortable, you have that freedom too.
---aka_joseph on 5/9/10


Most E.W, My first sentence I meant "when we are slaves to God" we are been obedient to God. sorry for the misspell.
---MarkV. on 5/8/10


Most E.W, I believe that Romans 6:22 is a very critical passage because when we are slaves to sin, we are been obedient to God. He commands and we do. We are not free to do what we want, even though we do many times, but we are to be obedient to the Lord. That is us working together with the with the Holy Spirit in sanctification, the outcome of which is eternal life. Verse 21,22 read,
"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you were not ashamed?"
When we were lost we sin and received no reward. But now slaves to God, (Obedient) we receive the reward of eternal life.
I hope you can understand why I answered, blessings.
---MarkV. on 5/8/10


Joseph,

TRUTH (genuine OBJECTIVE truth) is 'UNCOMFORTABLE' (untruth/nontruth is usually very comfortable for most people). Untruth is subjective/biased and validates people's 'kingdoms'/empires (the status quo 'comfort zone').

That is usually how you can tell what is truth and what is not truth (by it's comfort level). Clearly, I have upset your "comfort zone" and disturbed your "kingdom" (God says "You shall have no gods/kingdoms before me"). Only a 'THINKERMAN' would be so upset to say "half verse religion". Thank The Lord that He made you a thinker, He will have you saying "Oh yeah!" pretty soon (He likes "thinkers").

Mark 4:11 "is in parables".
---more_excellent_way on 5/8/10


sorry for the double post.

E_way, I have read your last post a few times. Honestly, I have no idea what your post even meant.

The bottom line is, for me, fear < > fear of the Lord. You can equate it if you wish. You have that freedom.
---aka_joseph on 5/8/10


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E_way

Well, you are right. There is no better way to say fear of the Lord but fear of the Lord, which is not the same thing as fear.

Any_way,
Isa 29:13 And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,

In context of this paragraph, Fear of me is a commandment being taught by men who honor the Lord with their lips or lip-service. Fear of the Lord should be taught by men whose hearts draw near not their mouth. I pray one day you will draw near with your heart and not half-verse religion.

Isa 29:15-16
---aka_joseph on 5/7/10


E_way

Well, you are right. There is no better way to say fear of the Lord but fear of the Lord, which is not the same thing as fear.

Any_way,
Isa 29:13 And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,

In context of this paragraph, Fear of me is a commandment being taught by men who honor the Lord with their lips or lip-service. Fear of the Lord should be taught by men whose hearts draw near not their mouth. I pray one day you will draw near with your heart and not half-verse religion.

Isa 29:15-16
---aka_joseph on 5/7/10


Philippians 2:12: "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Mattew 10:28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Jude 1:23: "And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."
---Nana on 5/7/10


2Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
---micha9344 on 5/7/10


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If someone told you to fear your best friend,(you really are good buddies), COULD YOU DO IT?

How about if if your girlfriend's mom said to you in private "FEAR MY DAUGHTER" (her mom wants to meddle and make things easier for her daughter), would you be able to stop loving her only and start fearing her also?

Do you not also "RESPECT" your buddy, your girlfriend, your children, brethren, etc.?

"Ultimate respect" is the standard rationalization, BUT, what comes from your HEART, not from THE BOOK or man's wisdom? (reassure God that it is LOVE ONLY).

Mark 12:30....means LEAVE NO ROOM FOR FEAR.

Isaiah 20:13 "their fear of me is a commandment of men".
---more_excellent_way on 5/7/10


E_way,

It may come as a shock to you, but I understand what you are saying about forgiveness and I agree.

After reading your post again, I see the misunderstanding that I had yesterday. I now see that you equate fear and the 'fear' in the phrase 'fear of the Lord'. I do not. I think it means ultimate respect of the Lord.

If you take Isaiah 33:6 into account
"He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge, the fear of the LORD is the key to this treasure."

and If perfect love does cast out all fear including fear of the Lord, you may be casting out wisdom, knowledge, and perhaps salvation.
---aka_joseph on 5/7/10


Proverbs 3:11_13: "My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD, neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth, even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding."
Proverbs 3:21_22: "My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion: So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck."
There is no "more excellent" doctrine nor faith to which a man attains than that same one with which he was weaned.
---Nana on 5/6/10


I am going to turn the tables a little, for all.....What keeps the wicked man alive? I asked God this all very important question. The answer is, the answer is coming from God. "Because he glories in what he does." Ah Thank You Jesus.
---catherine on 5/6/10


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Joseph,

I know you probably won't be happy with my reply about "FORE"-giveness, but I never held it against you in the first place (meaning from my understanding/philosophy, I can't FORE-give when I don't perceive a need
for your absolution).

In reality, "wrong" did happen, but it is my exclusive right to deny you a penalty of shame, guilt, etc. You might not truly understand why I think/believe/am this way, but, love goes beyond rationality.

It is not only God's love that covers a multitude of sin/wrongdoing, but mine also.
---more_excellent_way on 5/6/10


E_way,

You are right, and I apologize. Please, forgive me.
---aka_joseph on 5/6/10


Joseph,....I had to cut some words out to meet the 125 word limit. I did not hide anything, I even explained that going "back" to being a "babe" includes "fear". I never expect anyone not to look up the verses and verify what I quote from the RSV.

To each his own. I am not "gaining" ANYTHING by having ANYONE agree with me. I do not PERSUADE anyone to have a love devotion as opposed to a BOOK DEVOTION. I only offer a deeper understanding in order that others may find freedom from the crushing lies that have always been taught by the moneychangers (whose only real intent is that you continue to fill their collection plate). I realize that many people would like to know God in a kinder, gentler way.
---more_excellent_way on 5/6/10


you always have to watch the ellipses when somebody quotes scripture. But I will complete the quote from Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!".

When I was a boy, in a way, I knew that I was his son, but when my attitude, flesh, understanding, etc., did not meet his, in obedience, I became a "bondservant."

You are splitting hairs. I am humbled to be both.

Do not misquote God's word for your own gain.
---aka_joseph on 5/6/10


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I was never a slave to my dad. I was a SON OF him (a LOVE relationship).

You said...

1) "we become SONS of God".

2) "when we are SLAVES to God".

Babes in Christ are taught to be "slaves to God" and FEAR Him, but as we progress to a mature devotion, we become SONS (no longer "SLAVES")...."PERFECT" love CASTS OUT FEAR.

Romans 8:15

"For you did not receive the spirit of slavery...(also don't return/BACK to being a babe).

"you have received the spirit of SONSHIP".

Galatians 4:6
"And because you are SONS..." (not "SLAVES").

Maturity of devotion means that we LOVE God, not both fear AND love Him.
---more_excellent_way on 5/6/10


Most E. W. you said we have to make a decision,
"MarkV,

This is where each individual worshipper has to make a very important decision (and it does matter).

Do you want to be a SLAVE to Christ...
or a
..SON OF GOD (either/or, you can't be both"

We do not make that decision, when we are born of the Spirit we become sons of God. And when we are slaves to God we are commanded what to do and we obey. There is no decisions to be made. Obedience is not an option. Of course we don't always obey, and we get in trouble, but we are commanded to obey.
---MarkV. on 5/6/10


"Do you want to be a SLAVE to Christ...
or a
..SON OF GOD (either/or, you can't be both)."

Romans 6:16: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
John 15:14_15: "Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants, for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you."
---Nana on 5/6/10


MarkV,

This is where each individual worshipper has to make a very important decision (and it does matter).

Do you want to be a SLAVE to Christ...
or a
..SON OF GOD (either/or, you can't be both).

I know, that sounds like a pretty rough statement, but it's a very important statement.

When first learning about Jesus, "babes in Christ" learn (are "trained") to do works of righteousness as a slave to Christ, BUT THEN, we should move on to a "more excellent" devotion that is not based on mere FAITH (the ability to believe something).
---more_excellent_way on 5/5/10


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Most E.W. what you forget is, we are slaves to God.
"But now having been set free from sins, and having become Slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life."
So we were released from the slavery of sin, to become slaves of God. The benefit of been slaves to God is sanctification, the outcome of which is eternal life.
Slavery was going on in Titus, they had few if any, civil rightes and often were accorded little more dignity or care than domestic animals. The N.T. nowhere condones or condemns the practice of slavery, but it everywhere teachs that freedom from the bondage of sin is infinitely more important than freedom from any human bondage a person may have to endure Rom. 6:22.
---MarkV. on 5/5/10


The Lord never specifically said "do exactly as ("obey") every word in scripture" (FACT). He did say that the wise will understand His WILL (desires, likes and dislikes, wishes)...

Ephesians 5:17
"understand what the will of the Lord is".

The people of ancient societies also grew up having idols (pagan statues of gods) in their houses (uncivilized AND pagan).

The people needed to learn civilized behavior before they could actually be Godly the way we should be today. Paul sometimes found himself (in his letters) addressing congregations about discarding their old ways.

We are NOT Jews, we are to be a "TRUE worshipper" (John 4:23, Galatians 3:28, 1 Corinthians 10:2).
---more_excellent_way on 5/5/10


More_excellent_way: indeed, work is not something that God requires of us for salvation, but we are told, as you say to work (Paul writes with our hands, though some people work more with their minds).

Is it possible, though, that some jobs may not 'produce anything good' (let's say, as an example, an assasin! - but there could be other jobs that also actually cause damage)

Is it good for us to get into a job that may be damaging to others? [propaganda editor for a dictatorshi or something].

I suspect not
---James on 5/5/10


Enslavement of other human beings is not proper for our modern devotion.

The audience being spoken to in Titus 3 was UNCIVILIZED and needed to be told PROPER civilized behavior....such as....

"show perfect courtesy toward all men".

"ALL men"?....When in human history has this been a wise thing to do? (remember, The Lord wants us to be "WISE as serpents").

The GREAT FAILURE in Titus 3 is that SLAVERY was not BANNED (banning slavery would've immediately scared off many people). Do you think slavery is proper for a modern devotion? There comes a time now when Christians have to think 'outside the box/book'.

Yes, they had to learn 'work ethics' and earn their living with manual labor.
---more_excellent_way on 5/5/10


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"The DISCIPLES learning about Christ were told to perform goodness, not us."
"... have an unkind view of The Lord as though He is a taskmaster/tyrant and has given us a job to do..."
---more_excellent_way on 5/4/10

Phil.4:5 "Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand."
Tit.3:8: "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."

A job to do? Mercy to the merciful, Mic.6:8, Luke.10:37, Matt 18:23-35.
Heb.10:31 "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
---Nana on 5/4/10


The word "work" has two different meanings in scripture.

WE are told to "work" WITH OUR HANDS (labor, an honest day's work for an honest dollar, there was no computer work in those days.....all work was LABOR).

In those days, it was considered normal to have slaves (but having slaves is NOT a Godly practice for ME, maybe other worshippers today think enslaving humans is Godly????..they are wrong). These uncivilized societies had to be told to do good deeds (they had to "work" at it).

The DISCIPLES learning about Christ were told to perform goodness, not us. Any goodness we do should be a result of OUR GODLINESS. People need their own FAITH, not our "evidence".
---more_excellent_way on 5/4/10


1 Thessalonians 4:11
"aspire to live quietly, to mind your own affairs, and to work WITH YOUR HANDS, as we charged you"

2 Thessalonians 3:12
"Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work in QUIETNESS and to earn their own living".

Christianity seems to unintentionally have an unkind view of The Lord as though He is a taskmaster/tyrant and has given us a job to do (as though we could EVER be deserving of His efforts/deeds,....we MUST decrease).

God is not a human being who 'requires' or 'needs' any help from us.
---more_excellent_way on 5/4/10


more_excellent_way: Indeed, Jesus did all the works for our salvation, but we are still told to work, and what works (in terms of our time on earth) should we be doing - not for our salvation, but as evidence.... so others know that we are not 'busybodies', but people who work hard?
---James on 5/4/10


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Ecc 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

I think, if you are a Christian, opportunities to do good will come your way. You don't need to go looking for them...you just need to recognize them and act. It makes life rather exciting, seeing what the Lord will bring your way.

As for choosing an occupation, if you do everything to the best of your ability ("with all your might") you'll see where your abilities lie and usually others will too. In today's economy, you may need to look at abilities you haven't used much. Don't be afraid to try something new.
God may be leading you in a different direction.
---Donna66 on 5/4/10


If you prefer to be enslaved to a MASTER/taskmaster, then you must WORK, but if you prefer to LOVE "Abba Father" with a LOVE DEVOTION, then you must REST in The Lord.

Each person has to choose their own goal.

The 'church of man' has taught many lies. If your goal is to be a member in good standing of the "church of man", then you must perform deeds of goodness. But if your goal is to have salvation, then you must not have a foundation of works (works are "DEAD"/no good).

We cannot ACCOMPLISH salvation by any effort of our own, do not insult Jesus by thinking that you can be DESERVING of it.
---more_excellent_way on 5/3/10


As babes in Christ when we were learning about Jesus devotion, we learned to perform "works"/deeds in order to establish a foundation of repentance, but now JESUS must be our ONLY foundation.

ONLY IF Jesus is our only foundation can we be cleansed from sin. We had ALREADY repented by coming to Christ, but if we then choose a foundation other than Christ, we can no longer be restored to cleanliness (it becomes impossible).

Hebrews 6:1
"foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God" (we are to have a "FAITH FOR faith", Romans 1:17).

Read Hebrews chapter 6. The whole chapter warns of having a foundation of works/repentance (apostasy).
---more_excellent_way on 5/3/10


No,
Mike, good works is the fruit that is produced by being a Christian.
---miche3754 on 5/3/10


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if you are to do good 'works' does that mean christianity is performance based salvation?

does that mean it is another gospel?

will god punish us when we don't do 'good works'?

one good work can be interpreted differently by another.

is tithing 'good works'?
---mike on 5/3/10


JESUS did ALL of the "works" necessary for our salvation.

OUR part in those "works" is to simply TRUST that what Jesus did is COMPLETELY SUFFICIENT for our salvation (let them BE MANIFESTED in our lives so that we REST IN THE LORD and simply ENJOY LIFE)....

John 6:28
"Then they said to him, "What must we do to be doing the works of God?".

John 9:3

"but that the works of God might be made manifest in him".

...you do trust The Lord enough to REST and do nothing in trade for His gracious and free gift, don't you? If you choose to be nice to someone, it should not be done as a required 'deed'/work, it should come from your SPIRIT.

That's how God does things!
---more_excellent_way on 5/3/10


Amen Markv,

As sinners, any good we do is rags. the word says that.(Not to bring back old stuff, but sinners doing good proves man is NOT totally depraved)

As Christians, everything we do SHOULD always glorify God.
Even the way we speak to people.
(I apologize for any and everything I ever said out of the way or wrong to you).

God is always doing a good work in us until he comes back for us or we leave this world.
---miche3754 on 5/3/10


Catherines answer on 4/28/10 is a very true. She said,
"If what you do as a lost person your works stinks. Yes, stinks in God's nostrils. So what are you gonna do?"
Notice that she said, "as a lost person" All the good works of a lost person are sin, since they do not glory the Lord. They are describe as "filthy rags." Anything without faith is sin.
Mark E's statement,
"Eph 2:10 "For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"." this statement is for believers. Their good works give glory to God because they are done by faith, and decreed by God from the foundation of the world.
---MarkV. on 5/3/10


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If the end result of the work is not good, you know it.

If you are working in a bar selling booze, you will know wheter it is a good work or not

so any ungoodly and dishonest way of earning money is not good
---Patience on 5/1/10


I have already looked at the Scripture! So, I am going to ask a few questions, and then give to you another one of God's answers. What good is all of your knowledge if you go to hell? And what good is all of your power if you end up in hell? And what good is all of your money if you end up in hell? Send to me a godly person who's under the kingship, ruler of Jesus Christ, to tell me what to do. Don't send to me a person who's under the influence of Satan, to tell me what to do. What gives a lost person the right to tell anyone what to do? These people don't know what's right.....Now, the answer to the question: What's a good work? What ever God has PUT YOU INTO doing at the moment. Do your very best, and you will be blessed..Hallelujah.
---catherine on 5/1/10


There are many James.
But let's take for instance, Lumber Mill
Now the lumber that comes out of a mill can be used for alot of things, both good and evil. Are you supposed to work only on the logs that are being made into lumber for good?
Or, are we supposed to do our best in whatever we do for the glory of God, seeing we are His workmanship unto good works?
Take Joseph, I don't think He questioned what He was doing for Potipher was going to be used for good or ill, He just pleased his master.
And take medical professions, they don't know if they are fixing up a person that will kill someone someday, but they do their best.
On the other hand, we know certain jobs not to be pleasing to God. I'm sure everyone can think of a few.
---MIchael on 4/30/10


"How do we define 'the thing which is good' - and so, what work should we be doing. What jobs, actually, do not make what is good?"
"Actually, I was more interested, when I posted in this blog, on the particular verse, which talks, as far as I can see, about employment, not about all good works commanded by God "
---James on 4/30/10

Have you considered "drug dealing", "prostitution", "murder" for hire, "thievery", etc?
---Nana on 4/30/10


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Actually, I was more interested, when I posted in this blog, on the particular verse, which talks, as far as I can see, about employment, not about all good works commanded by God
---James on 4/30/10


Stay out of his nostrils?
---Nana on 4/30/10

Too funny, Nana, LOL!!
---miche3754 on 4/30/10


Stay out of his nostrils?
---Nana on 4/30/10


If what you do as a lost person your works stinks. Yes, stinks in God's nostrils. So what are you gonna do?
---catherine on 4/28/10

Eph 2:10 "For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them".

These works do not stink. God prepared them just for us to do.

You need to find the works He has prepared for you to do.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/28/10


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If what you do as a lost person your works stinks. Yes, stinks in God's nostrils. So what are you gonna do?
---catherine on 4/28/10


Markv,

I am agreeing with the scripture you posted.
Just because I don't agree with your version of OSAS, doesn't mean I don't believe in the infallible WORD OF GOD because I do, 100%.

The scripture you posted is the truth. We as Christians ARE supposed to always help those in need no matter what.
If God tells us to move on a situation to help someone, we are supposed to.

Please STOP antagonizing me.
---miche3754 on 4/28/10


Miche, after trashing everything else that I have said, and after agreeing with everyone who speaks against what I have said, and gone as far as calling me a liar, now I get your stamp of approval, how wonderful and kind of you to do that.
If you are approving my answer in order to edify me as not a liar, as you have called me many times, I welcome your approval, if you still think I am a liar, please do not act like you like my answers.
---MarkV. on 4/28/10


Well, it sure isn't passing the collection plate around. Hoping to get payed so I can have that chicken dinner when I get home on this fine Sunday.....Working for the Lord, pain and suffering the highest calling, ahh.
---cattherine on 4/27/10


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Eph. 4:28 is speaking about not stealing and instead to produce what is benificial (Exo. 20:15). The alternative to stealing is to provide for oneself, ones family, and others what is God honoring through honest honorable means (2 Thess. 3:10,11, 1 Tim. 5:8). "Give him who has need" Christian should not only harm no one but should continually endeavor to help those who are in need.
---MarkV. on 4/26/10

Amen to this!!

Ephesians 2:10
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
---Cluny on 4/26/10

Amen to this too!!
---miche3754 on 4/27/10


"How do we define 'the thing which is good'?"
What ever is done to or for the glory of our Father, is a good thing.
Stated another way.
What ever you do or say that clearly manifest the Father's indwelling presence.
"What jobs, actually, do not make what is good?"
Any job that violates any of His principles for life.
What are His principles for life?
They are summed up in this.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
---josef on 4/27/10


Eph. 4:28 is speaking about not stealing and instead to produce what is benificial (Exo. 20:15). The alternative to stealing is to provide for oneself, ones family, and others what is God honoring through honest honorable means (2 Thess. 3:10,11, 1 Tim. 5:8). "Give him who has need" Christian should not only harm no one but should continually endeavor to help those who are in need.
---MarkV. on 4/26/10


Yeah, like Arch St. and Lycoming St.
---MIchael on 4/26/10


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Heb 13:18 Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
2Tim 2:21-22 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work. Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart
Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.
Phi 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, ...honest, ...just, ...pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report, if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.
---MIchael on 4/26/10


Ephesians 2:10
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
---Cluny on 4/26/10


Good works, as tyndale said are the proof that the heart is good, and can therefore not save, since they are part of the new life of salvation.
godd works are one Act of Random Kindness. good works areonly good if it is done benevolent.
---Andy3996 on 4/26/10


Good works vary,
the hidden works of the heart that just you and the Father know of,
and the works that men do to one another/Good Samaritan/Loving your neighbor type stuff.

Sometimes Spiritual & Physical works go hand in hand, like being Baptized, a person being baptized is showing both a spiritually & physically good conscienceness towards God, a very good work, one of our 1st ones to fulfill.
(If you want favor(?)baptism is a good start)

Love God with all your heart, mind & soul & your neighbor as you do your own selves and you will do well :)
YLBD
---YLBD on 4/25/10


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in response to peter,what about the violent video games,alcohol,beer,nightclubs,here in pa every other store is a club,or beer garden,the list is endless,with many being party oriented,getting high on whatever.
---tom2 on 4/25/10


What about if your job is to write ads for products that are no good, to pretend that they are good? Or to legally defend a company that has just produced dangerous products but does not want to pay compensation?

There, YOU are not stealing, but the person who gains from selling useless/dangerous goods could be said to be stealing by trickery

Is it OK for you to be doing that job?
---peter3594 on 4/25/10


a good work is when you fill the need of another person,soley and only because they are in need of it
---tom2 on 4/25/10


I have looked over the Scripture: Let the man who steals adopt the Christian standard of honesty, and fair dealings. Do not profit off what others have worked hard for. Get out and get you an honest job, and give to the poor.....If man has enough time for such foolishness then you have the time to go out and find you a job. If you are smart enough to rip people off then you are smart enough to get out and get you a job. Scripture does not tell you specifically what kind of a job to fine, as long as it's honest work. If it's honest it's good. Scripture does not say you'll get rich. God says in there, to give your hard earned cash to the poor. So get going.
---catherine on 4/25/10


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good works have nothing to do with what you do for a living ,unless you are in ministry,or use you job as a launching point to reach the lost.Better described as fruits,works are those things done in the spirit that glorify God and increase the kingdom by showing love and kindness to people,and presenting jesus to a lost world.
---tom2 on 4/25/10


When I was young, my father used to tell me an old proverb: "All jobs are honorable except stealing"
---StrongAxe on 4/24/10


There's a list of good works in Matthew 25.
---Cluny on 4/24/10


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