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The Theoretic Big Bang

Scientist say our material universe suddenly came into being from nothing as a result of the theoretic big bang. They say the universe (containing innumerable galaxies, solar systems, stars, planets and a variety of life forms including us human) just happened for no apparent reason. What say you?

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BANG!!!

---Leon on 5/1/10


I still say that it was NOT scientists who invented the Big Bang or Nebulous Hypothesis Theories, but rather a science fiction writer and a spiritualist.

As for those of you who continue to argue with God about how long He took to create the heaven and the earth, when He clearly wrote with His own finger (EX 20:11) that it took six days, I can only conclude that you would rather believe some pseudoscientific babble than the clear word of the God you claim to believe. What I can't understand is ... WHY? Most of you admit you don't understand the science, yet you cling to it with an almost religious fervor. Why not question the science as much as you do the Word of God? You'll find it to be a house of cards.
---jerry6593 on 5/1/10


Warwick says 'God doesn't have time'. But of course he doesn't really believe this because Warwick also believes God is limited to a 24 hour day.

If Warwick said to me, 'I'm going away for 6 days', I would know what he meant because he is not God, who as Warwick admits 'is outside of time-we aren't'.

Yes there is a difference between God's count of time and that of man's. Warwick admits that there is, because 'God is outside of time'- 2 ways of counting time, God's and man's.

But with creation, Warwick throws that logic out the window and says 'God created everything in 144 hours'. This is ridiculous.

Fundamentalists thus ignore the purpose of God's 7th day of rest because they believe it has already ended.
---David8318 on 5/1/10


Warwick,In saying evening and morning constitutes a 24hr.day,you must assume that God is looking at the equator when earth is rotating!
Our country stretches north of the Arctic circle..June..sun doesn't set,
Dec. sun doesn't rise..When is evening and morning there?? Light -day Dark-night?
Is God speaking relative to USA? Israel?
Evening and morning is metaphorical!
---1st_cliff on 5/1/10


Warwick: My comment was not meant to question your view - I was just setting out [mostly for alan] a statement of where the two of you differ in what you assume before going into the discussusion, so there is not claim of one or the other being 'illogical'.

Please not, I did not question your view (which I personally prefer) that the light source is fixed

But, at the same time, I do not want to accuse Cluny of being illogical.

His view has SOME logic, though I do not agree with it

If I had to choose, I would go with 24 hours, but I always sense a temptation to feel 'maybe longer' so I sympathise with Cluny
---peter3594 on 5/1/10




Warwick, you are described in the Bible.

"Ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth."
---Cluny on 4/30/10


David, God defines a human day, in Genesis 1, Exodus 20:8-11 confirms this. Psalm 90:4 shows God is outside of time-we aren't.

God being outside of time does not have days of any length as length is a measure of time but God being timeless doesn't have time!

You are partly right about Exodus 20:8-11. The Israelites already knew what a day was as God had already told them. Here He commands they work 6-days, rest the 7th because He created in 6, resting the 7th.

You promote the idea the 2 sets of 7 days here are not the same length. This is ridiculous. You have no support for this dea from Scripture, grammar or logic. I imagine that if I said to you-I will be away for 6-days you would have to ask- How long are your days?
---Warwick on 4/30/10


Alan God gives us everything we need to understand.

Genesis 1:1-5-God creates light, bringing about separation of light from darkness. Earth now part in light ('day'), part in dark ('night')-at the same time!. Then-".. there was evening and there was morning-the first day"-earth has to be rotating. These words are used throughout Scripture and mean ordinary earth-rotation days. Was it, or is it exactly 24hrs? Irrelevant as it is what we call a day, i.e. Monday, Tuesday...

Obviously God is outside of not living in time, being timeless. Therefore not having days of any length as length is a measure of time!

Exodus 20:8-11 confirms the 6-days of creation, one of rest were as a template for our 7-day week.
---Warwick on 4/30/10


Cluny you wrote "Where did you get the idea they were the same"

What is 'they?"
---Warwick on 4/30/10


Peter, we know a day, as we live it, is one rotation of the earth in relation to a fixed light source. Biblical writers use the same meaning for day. Day is a time interval set up by God, for man, so logically it was the same for Adam, Abraham, David, et al until today, Saturday.

Otherwise a day must have changed dramatically somewhere in history but no one mentioned it?

Those who doubt the days are c24hr days begin with the acceptiance of the evolutionary long-ages, and ignore what God's word says.

They accept what Scripture says about our salvation. However If Genesis 1, Exodus 20:8-11, etc cannot be taken at face value (as the NT writers took all of the OT) how can they take the NT at face value?
---Warwick on 4/30/10




David, you will do better to read God's word and put aside Jehovah's Witness literature which contradicts His word.

God's word in Genesis 1, Exodus 20:8-11 and elsewhere says God created the 'heavens and the earth' which in Hebrew is a merism meaning all there is. Nowhere in Scripture is there any mention of a preexisting earth.

There can be nothing which is created, before the beginning of the creation of all there is.

A fundamentalist, like any well read person knows literature contains figures of speach: "The moon was a ghostly galleon...' But do we imagine the moon is a ship?
---Warwick on 4/30/10


"Takes a lot more faith to believe this than the Bible." Edwin, 4/28
"Seems like it takes a lot more faith to believe science." Tom, 4/28

I agree wholeheartedly Edwin & Tom! Thanks for taking the time to really read & respond to the blog question. :)

It seems the rest of the respondents are blindly musing over "the elephant in the room".: "It's a snake...It's a fan...It's a tree...It's a rope..." WHAT?!!! :)
---Leon on 4/30/10


Alan of UK: I was just saying that IF the light was from a single fixed source, then 24 hours is reasonable.

There are too many things that the Bible does not tell us..... But that is not a fault of the Bible, it is actually a fault of ours in wanting to know things that are only known to God.

Either Warwick's comment (that the earth would logically have been rotating from when it was created, and that the light source was fixed) or your comment (that we know neither of the two statements to be true) can be argued, without any flaw in logic - the question is where each of the two of you starts his train of thought
---peter on 4/30/10


\\Cluny, I am not asking you to agree with me but with what God's word says\\

Where did you get the idea they were the same, Warwick?
---Cluny on 4/30/10


1st Cliff, GOD created all. No "Big-Bang" happened. Btw, "Evening and morning" make up the 24-hour period, indeed, that's what GOD meant. Each of the 6 "evening and mornings" were each labeled as the 1st day, the 2nd day, the 3rd day, etc., up to the 6th day. Take the Scripture, in this part, at FACE VALUE. As we, in the west, regard the Roman time clock, the 12-hour period that consists of midnight to noon is ALL morning. The 12-hour period that runs from noon to midnight is the time that runs into the evening, and is all considered part of that "evening" mentioned in GENESIS.
---Gordon on 4/30/10


Warwick ... You miss my point.

That first light that God created was not from the sun, but from God. Nothing in the Bible about it being from a fixed point, nothing about the earth rotating, nothing about the "days" being 24 hours.

That 24 hour day is dependent on a fixed sun and earth's rotation, neither mentioned in the Bible.

God rested on the 7th day, thus setting us an example, but His days did not have to be the same length as ours are now. After all, He is outside time as we know it, as you yourself have agreed.

Don't impose our knowledge of time on God!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/30/10


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As I have said before, 'the heavens and the earth' created as mentioned at Exodus 20:8-11 are the 'heavens' in which creatures would fly and the 'earth' that was created was dry land made to appear above the surging waters.

So regardless of how long the 'six days' of creation are, the Earth already existed before they started.

Planet Earth is being prepared for the arrival of 'man' during the 'six days'.

This is evidently confusing to fundamentalists who are unable to differentiate between God who is outside the human count of time and will be forever at odds with what Moses said at Psalm 90:4.

Fundamentalists must believe God literally has arms and hands (Jeremiah 32:21) and eyes and ears (1 Peter 3:12).
---David8318 on 4/30/10


No Warwick, God did not define what a His 'day' is in Genesis 1. God defined what his day is 'like' through Moses at Psalm 90:4, when Moses wrote regarding God's creative activity.

Saying God's day is 'like' or 'but as', means that if a human were to live through one of God's 'days', he would lose track of time and give up counting. The onlooker would only know how long it was when it finished, when God declared it finished.

At Exodus 20:8-11, the length of a day is not on the agenda. The Israelites already knew how long a day was. Rather, God is instructing the Israelites how to structure their working week- 'Work 6 days, rest on the 7th'.

God wasn't telling them something they already knew.
---David8318 on 4/30/10


Cluny, I am not asking you to agree with me but with what God's word says. Nowhere does it even suggest the days were anything other than every day, ordinary 24hr days. But nonetheless you will not accept it, saying it does not matter. It does matter absolutely and for at least 2 reasons:

1) That salvation is via faith in the truth of God's word. And as Scripture says-without faith it is impossible to please God. And furhter-that which is not of faith is sin.

2) That the events of the first chapters of Genesis, so the NT says, are the only foundation of the gospel. It is hypocritical to reject the Truth of Genesis and then insist that what Scripture says about the gospel is true.

You are not arguing with me but with God.
---Warwick on 4/29/10


\\I describe them as 24hr, ordinary, earth-rotation days but you choose to ignore that.

Again: if it really doesn't matter just take God's word as written, and accept them as ordinary, c24hr, earth-rotation days!\\

Your describing them as 24 hour days does not mean they were that long at the time of creation.

If it doesn't really matter, why are you trying to get me to agree with you that they were?

You can swell up, go red in the face like a turkey gobbler, flail your fists, drum your heels, and shake your wattles all you wish. But if they in fact were NOT 24 hour days (a possibility I'm willing to admit, even if you are not), your saying so will not make them so.
---Cluny on 4/29/10


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David, language was created for communication. If what you propose is true then communication is impossible, as we cannot know what anyone means! In fact if you are correct I cannot know what you mean, right now, as your words cannot obviously convey any consistent meaning.

In Genesus God said He created in 6 days, having defined what a day is. Confirming this in Exodus 20:8-11 telling the Israelites He created in 6 days and for this reason they are to work for 6 days. In Numbers 7:11-42 people brought offerings over 6 days. I work for 6 days and am going away soon for 6 days.

You would have us believe we cannot know what these same words six days mean! Double talk.
---Warwick on 4/29/10


Alan, God has told us the light was not from the sun. How would we know otherwise!

All that is necessary for a 24hr day is a rotating earth plus fixed light source. That is what we have today and no one has ever suggested it was ever different.

What difference would it make if they were 23 hours?

Exodus 20:8-11 makes it obvious the length of God's creation days are exactly the same as the days the Israelites already lived. If not language has no meaning.

The reason people will not accept the days of creation as c24 hours is because they will not accept what He has written, preferring the changing opinions of falible sinful man, who was not there.
---Warwick on 4/29/10


Cluny, you wrote "I'm saying that the rotation of the earth has actually varied over time." Who disagrees? But are you suggestion the creation days were not earth-rotation, c24hr days as people have lived them from the beginning?.

I have never said the creation days were exactly 24hrs. Ours aren't, but we call them 24hrs.

I describe them as 24hr, ordinary, earth-rotation days but you choose to ignore that.

Again: if it really doesn't matter just take God's word as written, and accept them as ordinary, c24hr, earth-rotation days!

Then there is nothing to argue about. Refuse and we know you are being deceitful, having nonBiblical reasons for not accepting the days as written.

That does matter!
---Warwick on 4/29/10


Peter ... If that first light was from God, and not from the sun, how can anyone say whether it was in a fixed place? It may have been over the whole globe. We cannot put our own physical understandings on such a thing as that light from God. That would be limiting God to doing things that we can see. But God is bigger than anything than Warwick can imagine.

As you say the important thing is that God created ... if we don't understand how, it does not matter.

---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/10


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Alan of UK (and Warwick): If, as Warwick says, the light on earth was from a fixed light source, then yes, length of day is dependent on the rotation of the earth (this seems more likely, though earth's rotation is never stated, only we, living later, can take that as a necessity, because we measure it now)

I am not a Biblical scholar, but the way Genesis is written we are not ABSOLUTELY certain that it is literal, though I personally do not find a reason to argue (personally, I have small problems, but they dont rule out my view of Genesis as literal)

However, what we need always to believe is much simpler: GOD created everything, and controls everything
---peter3594 on 4/29/10


Numbers 7:11-48 does not refer to creation, but to man's count of time and cannot be compared to God's creative activity or count of time.

God said, 'For the thoughts of you people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways your ways'. Is.55:8.

I've never said Gen.1 refers to 'God's days'. Gen.1 refers to 'six days' of creation. Six different periods which identify a specific aspect of creative activity. The reference to 'day' at Gen.1 cannot therefore be measured by the human count of time as it refers to God's count of time and not man's.

The Israelites understood their count of time involved the earth's rotation around the sun, but God's does not. Psalm 90:4.

Jesus never said anything about God's day being 24hours.
---David8318 on 4/29/10


Warwick ... If that first light was not from the sun, days and nights would not have been dependent upon the rotation of the earth.

So who's to say that they were 24 hours in length?
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/10


\\So you are claiming that if a day isn't exactly 24hrs, it isn't a day. Nonsense!\\

I'm saying that the rotation of the earth has actually varied over time.

Therefore, it's up to YOU to prove that a terrestial day was exactly 24 hours at the time of creation, because this is what you're insisting upon.

The length of the days of creation don't matter to me at all.

YOU are the one making an issue of this, not I.
---Cluny on 4/29/10


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"Takes a lot more faith to believe this than the Bible." Edwin, 4/28
"Seems like it takes a lot more faith to believe science." Tom, 4/28

I agree wholeheartedly Edwin & Tom! Thanks for taking the time to really read & respond to the blog question. :)

It seems the rest of the respondents are blindly musing over "the elephant in the room": "It's a snake...It's a fan...It's a tree...It's a rope..." WHAT?!!!:)
---Leon on 4/29/10


leon,science says everything EVOLVED over billions of years from the big bang,when science cant reason something,or explain it, they use that word every time.They are totally at a loss as to how life started,they assume it was like making soup,with all the right ingredients coming together,and bacterial life EVOLVED,theres that word again,into higher life forms,or should I say more complex life forms.So if the conditions are identical elsewhere on any other planet in the universe then it also should have humans on it,that is of course unless the universe is really chaotic.seems like it takes alot more faith to believe science.
---tom2 on 4/29/10


Cliff a planet does not need the sun, nor any light source to rotate upon its axis. I thought everyone knew that. What is necessary for a day is for the earth to rotate in relation to a fixed light source, such light source as God says He created on day one! He says His light source separated the light from the darkness. He called the light part 'day' and the dark bit he called 'night'. Just like we do today. I wonder why we do that????

He then said there was evening and there was morning-the first day. The first ever day!

But you don't believe Him because His word is not your ultimate authority.
---Warwick on 4/28/10


In reality Cluny it is not a non question but yours definitely a non answer. Duck and weave.

In your imagination only science text books tell the truth. Has God got news for you!

So you are claiming that if a day isn't exactly 24hrs, it isn't a day. Nonsense!

Answer the question!
---Warwick on 4/28/10


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\\Now tell me is Numbers 7:11-48 describing what we call ordinary, earth-rotation 24hr days? Yes or no?\\

Since the Bible is not a science book, and the earth's rotation actually varies, this is a non-question.
---Cluny on 4/28/10


Big bang says --condensed matter full of energy in an empty universe, bang, stars, sun, earth, moon.
Bible says--nothing, universe(heavens), earth, sun, moon, stars.
Seems like a big difference to me.
---MIchael on 4/28/10


Warwick, You dogmatically insist that the 1st day was 0ne rotation of th earth.
With no sun ,where was the "pivot point"?
One rotation is from a given point on the sun to that same point,thus taking 24 hrs.
Since you don't believe the sun was in existence on day one (or two) what constituted a "rotation???
---1st_cliff on 4/28/10


Something banged into something and somehow mingled together and formed someone.
Now someone exists.
This is science and educated thinking?
Takes a lot more faith to believe this then the Bible.
---Edwin on 4/28/10

That is not what most Christians who believe in creation out of nothing believe. They still belive God did it. So what if God used a big bang to create the universe out of nothing? What changes? The Bible says that he spoke it into existence. Sounds like a bang and it was there to me. We are not debating creation of life we are talking about the planets and solar system.
---obewan on 4/28/10


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Big Bang Theory
In the beginning there was nothing and no one.
Then nothing exploded.
Nothing turned into something.
When nothing exploded it created everything.
There was still no one.
Everything turned into something.
Something banged into something and somehow mingled together and formed someone.
Now someone exists.
This is science and educated thinking?
Takes a lot more faith to believe this then the Bible.
---Edwin on 4/28/10


Cluny I have asked a number of the-no matter what God says I don't think it matters- group to do the following exercise and report back. Not one reply.

Read Numbers 7:11-48, and Genesis ch. 1. Both contain a record of events done on "the first day, the second day, the third day...the seventh day.

Now tell me is Numbers 7:11-48 describing what we call ordinary, earth-rotation 24hr days? Yes or no?

Now considering Numbers tell me is Genesis 1,(which uses exactly the same description for day) also describing what we call an ordinary, earth rotation, 24hr day?

BTW I use 'What we call ordinary, earth-rotation, 24hr day' fto assist those who think something changes if the day is 24hrs + 1 second long!
---Warwick on 4/28/10


The scene. God is giving the 10 Commandments-I command you to work for six days and rest the seventh day. A bright spark asks-why are we to work six days and rest the seventh Lord? Because I made all there is in six days but rested the seventh day.

Bright spark-but how long are the days?

Are you guys serious, that with all the available Scriptural and grammatical information plus logic, we cannot be sure of the length of God's creation days? If not then we cannot be sure of anything in Scripture.

What happened at the cross? Maybe this, maybe that, dunno!

No it is not that Scripture is not clear, but that you will not believe what it says. And this because you have ulterior motives!
---Warwick on 4/28/10


I believe the reasons for the attitude towards God's word exhibited here is summed up in this quote:

"If one is disinclined to surrender to God, one is inclined to read the text in the light of our own culture."

"Are we submitting to the picture of God in Scripture? Or are we putting ourselves over Scripture and rewriting it in terms of our own preferences?"

Kenneth Matthews, Old Testament scholar at Alabama's Samford University, as quoted in 'Time.' 4th November, 1996, p.79. 'Genesis Reconsidered' , commenting on Genesis chapters 1-11
---Warwick on 4/28/10


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I neither accept nor reject the 24 hour creation day theory, but am willing to leave it an open question, as my salvation does not depend upon it.
However, that the earth's rotation is NEVER exactly 24 hours should suggest something to you.
---Cluny on 4/28/10


Dittos Cluny! Good Point!
---John on 4/28/10


For what it is worth, I am with Cluny on this issue.

Just maybe God left everything formless and void for eons.

I also leave the questions concerning the many possibilities of Revelation and end times an open question.
---Rod4Him on 4/28/10


Mike: You seem to have a propensity for "jumping to conclusion" (freaking out). We're obviously not on the same frequency setting here. That's why you don't understand what I'm saying. I hope you'll continue to walk & grow in what God gives you to biblically understand & trust Him in the things you don't yet understand.

Have a good, Godly day -- God bless! :)
---Leon on 4/28/10


The first sentence of the Greek version of Genesis in the Septuagint starts with the words translatable as "the primary cause caused to be". A verse of 2 Maccabees (a book written in Koine Greek in the same sphere of Hellenised Judaism of Alexandria, but predating Philo by about a century) expresses a similar idea:
"I beseech thee, my son, look upon the heaven and the earth, and all that is therein, and consider that God made them of things that were not, and so was mankind made likewise." (2 Maccabees 7:28, KJV)
The Church Fathers from the 2nd century seized upon this idea[3] and developed it into the idea of creation ex nihilo by the Christian God. I believe ex nihilo means out of nothing.
---obewan on 4/28/10


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Cluny you did it again!

I love your answers.
You don't pull any punches do you?
---miche3754 on 4/28/10


\\Cluny, if day-length does not matter, you have no reason for not accepting them as written in Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:8-11, do you? Why not accept Genesis as written, as you accept the gospel?\\

I neither accept nor reject the 24 hour creation day theory, but am willing to leave it an open question, as my salvation does not depend upon it.

However, that the earth's rotation is NEVER exactly 24 hours should suggest something to you.
---Cluny on 4/28/10


Leon, I am getting the impression that you believe:
1. matter is eternal.
2. God did not create it.
This would lead me to the conclusion that God is not omnipotent, that there are things in this universe that God has no control over, cannot create nor destroy, only play with.
But since I believe God to be all powerful, I beieve Him to have ultimate control and sovreignty over all of creation, not just to manipulate, but to create from nothing as well as eradicate completely, both matter and energy.
Since there was no light, thus God said, 'Let there be light' and it was so.
Gen 1:1 The creation of matter.
Gen 1:2 What the matter looked like if one could see it (darkness).
Gen 1:3 The creation of energy.
---MIchael on 4/28/10


Peter: The word "created" (G1:1) indicates no such thing. It simply means God "made" (molded) the heaven & the earth. G1:2 indicates the already existing, God created, EARTH was formless (had no shape) & was empty (lifeless, uninhabited). In other words, formless earth is the something (versus nothing) God, the Potter, used to create (form: squeeze into shape, mold) the earth we live on. Also, G1:2 shows water was something else used by God in molding the heaven & earth.

So, I oppose Obewan's statement because it compares the Bible creation account to the bbt. There's no similarity.
---Leon on 4/28/10


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Cluny, if day-length does not matter, you have no reason for not accepting them as written in Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:8-11, do you? Why not accept Genesis as written, as you accept the gospel?

We say 24hrs, for conveniennce. I am well aware they are not exactly 24hours, and lengthening ever so slightly.

"Jesus Christ is still the incarnate God and Savior." He is also Creator, there at the beginning and always referred to Genesis as historical fact. Do you believe Him?

If Scripture is incorrect in saying the days of creation were earth-rotation days then I would know the Bible is not the word of God. And Jesus did not know. On what basis should we then trust what Jesus has said of forgiveness and eternal life?
---Warwick on 4/28/10


Elijah heard a "still small voice" in 1 Kings 19:12.

Jeremiah 33:3 gives you a challenge: "Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not."

Matthew 10:27 says "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.".

So if you want to know what caused everything to exist, take the challenge.
---Dan1724 on 4/28/10


Scientists just try to find out how. They don't need a why or a who. After the how, maybe a who and why will pop up. But keep it simple with how.
---atheist on 4/28/10


simon 7348 'in the context where it is used' (about the meaning of day in the Bible

It is exactly the context problem where we are getting stuck. There ARE some cases in the Bible where day is used in other meanings, while most use day as 24 hours.

As a result, I think that most of hte bickering is due to a difference in the context as seen by the two people. I am not sure myself which of the two I would take, though I generally prefer 24 hours.

But I will not get in an argument with a Christian who feels differently
---peter3594 on 4/28/10


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Leon: Obewan did not, I think, mean Genesis says 'out of nothing', but that, in Gen 1:1 the word 'created' indicates that heaven and earth were created out of nothing (unlike man who was created from dust (gen 2:7)
---peter3594 on 4/28/10


"...the Big Bang fits right in with that Genesis account that says out of nothing in the original text." Obewan, Kenobi? -- 4/27

Genesis, chapter(s) & verse(s) please. What "original text" would that be Obewan?
---Leon on 4/27/10


\\the subsequent 6 days in Genesis 1, are used corporately or separately throughout Scripture and always mean a 24hr day. \\

Warwick, it would not matter an atom to my faith if the days Genesis 1 were exactly 24 hours (though in our time they are actually NOT exactly 24 hours, did you know that?) or not. God is still on the throne. Jesus Christ is still the incarnate God and Savior.

But what would happen to your faith were it shown that these days were in fact NOT 24 hours as we measure them today?
---Cluny on 4/27/10


I would not say that scientists say it happened for no apparent reason. Most scientists are only interested in measurable results and verifiable effects. They do not wish to enter into causes or theological debates.

The cause falls into the realm of religion and not science. I have read many scientists who believe in the big bang who also believe in a God. They don't necessarily have to be Christian to believe in a higher power in the universe (like Einstein did). They keep that belief separate from their science.

And, the Big Bang fits right in with that Genesis account that says out of nothing in the original text.
---obewan on 4/27/10


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Because the 'days' in G1...outside of human time...
...But when it comes to God the Creator...outside the human count/measurement of time, it is clear that God's 'day' is not limited to 24hrs.
Moses knew the difference- Psalm 90:4.
---David8318 on 4/27/10

God is outside time. We all agree on that I assume. Time was created for man. We all agree on that I assume. God never changes so why would He change what He meant by 'day' in His consistent and infallible word? Maybe I'm wrong, but because He is constant, I'd expect His use of day to be constant in the context where it is used - Time as we know it would need to be created before the end of 'day' 7 because of Adam's sin. Moses is simply referring to God being outside of time.
---simon7348 on 4/27/10


Saying that there was nothing then something is as silly as the BBT!
God is "energy" (calls Himslf a consuming fire)Even Einstein figured out that energy and mass were related (E=Mc2)
God only needed 3 building blocks to make the entire universe - electrons, protons and neutrons!(mass) related to energy!
---1st_cliff on 4/27/10


David, read Numbers 7:11-48, then read Genesis chapter 1. Both of these have a series of days, written as-'The first day..the second day..the third day...the seventh day."

Then:

Please tell me whether the two sets of days are meant to be taken as ordinary 24hr days or not? If not why?

How can the days of Genesis 1 be God's days when He is eternal, and outside of time?

If the days of Genesis 1 are not 24hr days then why did God command the Israelites to work six day and rest the seventh saying they were to do so because He created in six days and rested the seventh?

Psalm 90:4 confirms God is oustide of time, having no 'days' at all.
---Warwick on 4/27/10


David as you will see below in my blog of 26th April the words used to define the first day, and the subsequent 6 days in Genesis 1, are used corporately or separately throughout Scripture and always mean a 24hr day.

You make claims which Scripture plainly contradicts. Stick to Scripture not Jehovah's Witness literature. It is leading you astray.
---Warwick on 4/27/10


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Because the 'days' in Genesis 1 are applicable to God the Creator who stands outside of human time.

References to days, evenings and mornings, in the Bible with or without a number are usually with reference to the human count of time, which would refer to 24 hours or whatever time is specified.

But when it comes to God the Creator at Genesis 1, who is outside the human count and measurement of time, it is clear that God's 'day' is not limited to 24hrs.

Moses knew the difference- Psalm 90:4.
---David8318 on 4/27/10


Leon: Your statement "Scientist say [sic] our material universe suddenly came into being" is not correct -
-Jerry 5983

Jerry, you are so correct. The Big Bang is not even science because science rejects spontaneous bio-genesis.
The Big Bang is science fiction and assumed to be science because secularist have no reasonable plausible explanation for our design and existence by chance, and to admit we were design by a divine being is intolerable to sinful man.
---larry on 4/27/10


\\Of course, the big bang theory cannot explain Who created the universe, but at least they accept it was not created from INSIDE
---peter3594 on 4/27/10\\

Most people may not know that the Big Bang theory got its name from those who opposed and mocked it.

They held to the previous theory that the universe had always existed and was unchangeable--AKA the "steady state theory."

Furthermore, until Einstein (who held to the steady state theory), it was taken as axiomatic that neither matter nor energy could be totally destroyed, but only changed in form.

Now it's taken as axiomatic that matter can become energy and energy can become matter.
---Cluny on 4/27/10


David8318: OK, so you view the 24 hours as not necessary

I am not sure if I do or not, but it is a question I have wondered about for a while

Thanks
---James on 4/27/10


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Jerry: I'm not exactly sure [sic] I understand how what you say pertains to what I said. Let me try again. :)

Scientist have said out of NOTHING "bang" there was SOMETHING & the SOMETHING was/is the universe we live in. The NOTHING they credit for making the universe was a massive build up of super intense gaseous heat --SOMETHING?-- that ultimately exploded & there you have it -- the ever expanding universe.

Obviously, that's why its called the big bang "theory" (idea, opinion, supposition, imagination, etc.).
---Leon on 4/27/10


Moderator, I, like Leon and everybody else who asks a "blog question," seems to want to present some idea or thought. However, we are all bound by a "question" format. As a result, most of the questions on this site seem leading.

I feel both awkward answering my own question, and I do not feel it is right to make up a name to answer my own question.

Therefore, can we maybe open up the 50 word limit on a question and present it as a statement of our own thoughts (and not a leading question), that others can comment on after we post it?
---aka_joseph on 4/27/10


-Donna5535: Yes, God created heaven and earth, we all know that

I think the question now is HOW was that done

I fear that it mayhave been better in the past, when people did not BOTHER with the question of HOW

For now that we do, even believers can get in to very unpleasant arguments
---peter3594 on 4/27/10


David, 'day' is used with a number in Genesis 1, along with 'day' and 'night' and 'evening and morning.'

'Day' is used as a singular or plural with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it always means an ordinary day.

'Evening' and 'morning' are used together without 'day' 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times each with 'day' outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day.

And 'night' is used with 'day' 52 times and it always indicates an ordinary day.

How then can the days of Genesis ch. 1 not be ordinary 24hr days?
---Warwick on 4/26/10


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Leon, Read the Bible people! and get back to the words of our Lord!
---Eloy on 4/27/10


The big bang theory (bbt) says there was nothing & then somehow "bang" there was something. G1 says there was SOMETHING but most importantly there was SOMEONE: GOD. The something was unformed, void (empty) earth. G1 says there was earth matter & "waters" matter as well.(G1:2) Because of these distinctions, I don't believe Biblical creation & the big bang theory agree in any way.

Scientist say the "bang" was universal. G1 indicates the already existence of the universe (the "deep") before God created the heaven & the earth. I believe G1 & 2 talk specifically (only) about the creation of our solar system (sun, moon, stars, planets & our earth/world, & everything in it).
---Leon on 4/27/10


Leon: Your statement "Scientist say [sic] our material universe suddenly came into being" is not correct. It was a SCIENCE FICTION writer, George Gamow who came up with the idea. Another theory "the Nebular Hypothesis Theory" is also needed to make stars and planets out of the swirling gas clouds 'created' in the BB. This theory was conceieved by Emile Swendenborg during a SEANCE. So, if one does not believe that God created the heaven and the earth, then he can believe in science fiction and spiritualism instead.
---jerry6593 on 4/27/10


I am happy with ONE (and only one) part of the big bang theory: that the universe came into being from nothing.

Of course, many other parts of the theory are not Biblical at all, but on that one point, we agree

Of course, the big bang theory cannot explain Who created the universe, but at least they accept it was not created from INSIDE
---peter3594 on 4/27/10


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The latest update on the Big Bang theory is...

Scientist have now discovered with the new telescopes and instruments (too many to list here) that before the Bang there is "Nothing". A true dark, lightless void. Not a vacuum, but a Nothing.

Then a "Seed of Light" proceeded out the Nothing and the light became increasingly brighter and formed the universe.

It has been more accurately described by Astrophysicists as a "Finger" that broke though the Nothing and ignited the universe.

This is our cutting edge knowledge on the beginnings of the universe and the newest revision of the Big Bang.

Does it sound familar to you?
---John on 4/26/10


Cluny and Cliff I am impressed by your responces (as if I am somebody) to this blog.
---Elder on 4/26/10


I say, "In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.....

That settles the big bang theory for me!
---Donna5535 on 4/26/10


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