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Explain John 19:31

Can you explain please John 19: 31.

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Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Matthew 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Luke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Jesus was crucified on the 5th day. That evening, the start of the 6th day, he was buried. The 6th day continued until that evening, the 7th day, they rested. He arose the 1st day just before morning.
6th day being preparation day.
7th day being the sabbath.
---micha9344 on 5/6/10


John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

Jesus died on friday afternoon, that day is called the preparation day. In Exodus they were to collect two times as much manna on the 6th day in preparation for the sabbath.

It was a high sabbath, because that sabbath day would also be the same day as passover.
A high day is a day on which a Feast day sabbath, fall on the same day as the weekly sabbath. Two sabbaths on the same day make a high day.
---francis on 5/6/10


Deuteronomy 5: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates, that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Learn from this that the Sabbath or Day of the Lord is Holy. Everybody must be observe. They are all at rest animals, servants, stranger, land..or even corpse must not leave hung. This is a law.

---rosalie on 5/3/10


catherine:

Wishing there is a hell is essentially saying "I can't forgive him, and I hope God can't forgive him either".

The whole concept of forgiveness is NOT to give someone a pleasant outcome that they deserve, but to give them one that they DO NOT deserve.

And also, remember that those wicked men who murdered an innocent Jesus (and whom you hope will go to hell) - Jesus said of them "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".

It's cheap and easy to forgive someone who cuts you off in traffic. It's much harder (and much more Christian) to forgive someone who hurts you really badly - for example, bu swindling you out of your life savings, murdering your whole family, etc.
---StrongAxe on 4/30/10


catherine: "Oh, I am so glad there is a hell."

That's a poor christian attitude, a very poor attitude - a curse to say the least. Why would a christian ever wish anyone to hell. Even God doesn't want anyone to perish. Where is your love for your neighbors and enemies? You should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking it.

Psalm 40:14
Proverbs 11:2

Renew yourself again unto repentance.
---Steveng on 4/29/10




Cluny,

I am not saying this is the case here. The questions posed by many seem leading. I include my own. It is inherent in the "question" format.

Many times, I, myself, would like to make a statement of fact and then have people respond to it accordingly. The format as it stands does not really support that, so you end up having to answer your own "question" if nobody else makes your point for you.

In addition, I do not really have the time to keep typing the same point over and over on different blogs. So, I think a statement and question format would be nice. I suggested it to the moderator in a blog, but it quickly got buried underneath a pile of blah, blah, blah.
---aka_joseph on 4/29/10


James 1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
--Maybe catherine has a battle on her hands Cluny.
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
---micha9344 on 4/29/10


catherine, this is the second time you've posted a question, then proceeded to answer it yourself.

Why?
---Cluny on 4/29/10


The Lord has mercy on all. I will just finish this for Linda>>>>THE LORD MAKES THE SUN TO RISE ON THE EVIL, as well as the good, and He sends rain upon the just as well as the unjust....The saints of the Lord, knows God is truly a great God. The Lord upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth, and you know what, God knows just how weak that you are, He will hold you up, anyhow. He loves it, He loves it. Those that fall, truly fall never to get up, they are too weak to keep themselves stable....Thank You, Jesus, for keeping me. Through it all. Almost ten years, now. Hallelujah. Only a fool would say there is no God, there is no hell. You don't have to worry. Ahhh Jesus.
---catherine on 4/28/10


Psalm 145:9
The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
---Linda on 4/28/10




\\These wicked men had no mercy on my Savior, and now, God has no mercy on them.\\

God told me to tell you that He will have mercy on whomsoever He pleases, and need not consult or even tell you.
---Cluny on 4/28/10


The Jews had a law of only 39 lashes. However, the Romans had no such laws. It is possible that our Savior received many more blows....These wicked men in power, hated my Savior. Hated Him with everything in their evil beings, yes, they did. And furthermore,when they were finished with Him, He did not even look human when they placed Him upon that Cross. Can't you feel it the sharp medals cutting, cutting into my Savior's skin. Ahhh Jesus. AND ALL THIS FOR ME. My God, my savior. These wicked men had no mercy on my Savior, and now, God has no mercy on them. Ahhh Jesus. Thank You. Thank You.+
---catherine on 4/28/10


/These wicked men had just murdered an innocent man. My God, My Savior, and they were concerned about some Jewish law. Oh, I am so glad there is a hell./

Reminds me of this passage of Scripture:

Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
---Linda on 4/28/10


Two points, catherine:

1. The crucifragium, as with all things about crucifixion, was under ROMAN law, not Jewish law.

2. If you heart were really right with God, you would not want to see anybody go to hell. Rather, you would grieve over this, rather than saying you were "so glad."
---Cluny on 4/27/10


"should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath" = the normal Roman practice was to leave crucified men and women on the cross
until they died leavng their rotting bodies hangig there to be devoured by vultures. The Mosaic law insisted that anyone being impaled , usually after execution, should not be left there overnight. such a person was under God's curse and to leave him/her exposed would be to desecrate the land in their minds,"their legs might broken"- In order to hasten the death for certain resons, soldier would smash the legs of the victim with an iron mallet.
This action added both shock and addiional loss of blood and it also kept the victim from breathing, causing the victim to die from asphxiation.
---Pierr5358 on 4/28/10


Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

The Jews observed the Sabbath from sundown to sundown. They had to prepare food ahead because they could not build a fire to cook on the sabbath. And this was not even an ordinary Sabbath, but also Passover, which required even more elaborate preparation.
Breaking the legs of those on the cross would hasten death (see aka Josef's post)
allowing the Jews more time to make the preparation required for their Holy Day.
---Donna on 4/28/10


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These wicked men had just murdered an innocent man. My God, My Savior, and they were concerned about some Jewish law. Oh, I am so glad there is a hell.
---catherine on 4/27/10

Really, Catherine? Do you not understand that even though the leaders of Israel and the Romans actually crucified our Lord, YOU and I are just as guilty for the death of Jesus Christ as they were! They physically nailed Him to the cross, but, our sins were the nails they drove into His hands and feet, His love for us was the only thing that kept Him on the cross. The attitude you expressed in your post here is the same kind of attitude that drove the crusaders in their butchering of innocent people.
---tommy3007 on 4/28/10


Studies of the Shroud of Turin have suggested that is it also possible to drive the nails through the hands (or wrists) and feet as to avoid breaking bones.

The breaking of the legs of a crucified man to hasten death, btw, was called the "crucifragium".
---Cluny on 4/27/10


These wicked men had just murdered an innocent man. My God, My Savior, and they were concerned about some Jewish law. Oh, I am so glad there is a hell.
---catherine on 4/27/10


the crucifix was built in such a way that it was hard to prop oneself up and eventually that person would succumb to suffocation. that was the crux of the crucifix.

If the legs were broken on a crucified person still alive, this would make it more difficult to support oneself and quicken the process of suffocating.

thus, it fulfilled an OT prophecy that "a bone of him shall not be broken." For he was already bodily dead.
---aka_joseph on 4/27/10


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