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Fired 7 Times In 8 Years

Over the past 8 years, I have been fired from 7 jobs (out of 9 I worked) for one of my two medical problems (diabetes or epilepsy). Any idea of what I could do?

Moderator - Take the feedback from everyone that fired you over the years, look at the pattern, repent and then ask God to change you.

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Thanks, Donna!
---peter3594 on 5/4/10


peter -- I'll contact you when chistianet gives me a membership number...but it will be a few days. I have to be away from my computer for awhile this week. Blessings!
---Donna66 on 5/2/10


Donna66: If the prospective employer has to prove it, that is indeed much better... over here, the situation is very 'fuzzy ' - almost impossible to prove anything, and so employers feel they can do much more

My last employer, who dismissed me due to epilepsy, I can sort of understand, due to his concerns I would be injured, but many others did not have that benefit

If you can contact me (I'd send email, but not allowed), that would be very nice
---peter3594 on 5/2/10


peter --- The difference is that in the US, The Americans with Disability Act is enforced. It's not just given lip service.

It's just that small comanies (most Greek companies are small) just get nervous, and can find some other reason to not hire someone
I've never been given a WRITTEN letter telling me I was fired due to health reasons


Here, you would only have to say, nicely "It sounds to me like discrimination against the disabled" The prospective employer knows he may have prove that you are unqualified. This one little sentence often cures even small businesses of their "nervousness".

Peter, I'm not currently a member of Christianet, but I will look you up.
---Donna66 on 5/1/10


Donna66: I'm sure the Disabilities Act write that, as (from what I've learned) the equivalent one in Greece writes it.

It's just that small comanies (most Greek companies are small) just get nervous, and can find some other reason to not hire someone

I've never been given a WRITTEN letter telling me I was fired due to health reasons, except once in China, where no-one is concerned about firing people...

PS - If you prefer, you can send a direct message/email (look at male/Greece/married - you'll find me very soon!)
---peter3594 on 5/1/10




Peter --- an employer might claim he is concerned about MY health.
---Donna66 on 4/30/10


Peter --- an employer might claim he is concerned about MY health.

True. But because of the Americans with Disabilities Act, he can't use that as an excuse not to hire you.

Employers know this. So, if you want the job and are qualified for it, they must either hire you... or, if you object, the burden of proof is on them to prove why you shouldn't have the job.

They are also required to make whatever adaptations they can, to make the job safer for you. (I'm not sure what these might be, if there are any)

Often, it just means you get hired, period.
---Donna66 on 4/30/10


Donna66: Yes, I'm still in Greece, looking for a job... of course, at this time Greece is not the best place to be and looking for a job, as you may have seen from the news! I'm still in contact with that employer, but prefer to keep looking elsewhere, as one can never be sure, even he sounded a bit hesitant

KarenD: I'm a dual national (US and Greece) - and yes, I am allowed that, as I was born a citizen of both countries (Greece by ancestry, US by place of birth)

The Americans with Disabilities Act is a good act, BUT in the case of chemistry jobs, it is awkward, as an employer might claim he is concerned about MY health. Teaching (as in China) would appear to be OK, but not in China
---Peter on 4/30/10


Peter....What country are you a citizen of?
---KarenD on 4/29/10


peter3594 --- I guess I'm not exactly surprized by the response you got in China. I'm sure sorry you had to experience that, though.

If you are still in Greece, I hope you contact again the employer who said he might hire you in some capacity (just to remind him) ...and let him know you are still available.

Otherwise, I'm not sure what to say except pray and keep some hard candy in your pocket. In the US, it's different:

Title I of the Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits private employers, governments, employment agencies and labor unions from discriminating against qualified individuals with disabilities.
This includes hiring and firing. They must make reasonable accomodation for you on the job.
---Donna66 on 4/29/10




Peter...I am sorry for your health problems. I can understand your employers' hesitancy to keep you employed if you have seizures and work in a lab. As far as the diabetes, my husband is a diabetic, so I am very familiar with the disease. Since you state that you do not think right when you blood sugar is off, that could be very dangerous no matter what the setting. Perhaps your employers were not willing to accept the liability of you getting hurt while at work. If you were in the USA, you could apply for disability insurance due to your seizures.
---KarenD on 4/29/10


Dona66: In the last blog I mentioned about the jobs in Greece, where I can understand the reasons, though I think slightly over-reacted (in Greece the legal method of ME taking responsibility for injuries does not exist, so maybe that's why)

The other 5 jobs, in China, are, I think because the Chinese feel an epileptic or a diabetic is in some way less 'proper' because of the medical problem - exact reason unknown

In reality, it's only the last job that bothered me, the employes was nice, as it was a job I felt I could have continued in for longer - the others were all more temporary

He has suggested MAYBE he could take me back in a different position, but I'm not hopeful - I wish him well though, he was a very good employer
---peter3594 on 4/29/10


Moderator: It was not a matter of an apology - which is unnecessary!

Of course, in the case of diabetes, I could repent of my inability to correctly carry out my sugar measurements and subsequesnt calculation of how much insulin I have to take to counteract the food I ear, but in this case I prefer to use the term ask God for assistance

Even in the case of epilepsy, I could say that if I could follow one of the main suggestions (not to get concerned, or worried, about things in my life - doctors don't even mention it any more, as they consider it impossible) - but God can help me with that, that I may trust Him more, so there a stronger faith would help
---peter3594 on 4/29/10


Donna66: The owners were Greek (2 of the jobs I was fired from, and both of the two I retained - one was a one year teaching job and the other I left to take the last chemistry job ) if the jobs were in Greece, and the other 5 the owners were Chinese

In the two (chemistry) jobs I was fired from in Greece, both owners were very nice to me, but said they were concerned that I could be injured either if I had a seizure at work (in both I DID have one at work) or become clumsy from low sugar.

I personally know long enough before a seizure that I would PROBABLY have time to move away from things that are dangerous, but in the case of low sugar, my mind does not work so well, and it's more dangerous

More on nexy blog, about China
---peter3594 on 4/29/10


My apologies Peter. The original post didn't make it clear that the firings were ALL due to health problems. It appeared that only two of the firings were due to health. Of course if it is out of your control, you just have to make the best of a bad situation unfortunately.
---Moderator on 4/28/10


Peter3594 --- it's a good thing you told us what countries this occured in. It makes a world of difference. What nationality were the owners of the company for which you worked?

Did you have seizures while on the job, or hypoglycemic reactions?
Did you have to take time from your work to test your blood sugar or give yourself insulin

Were you unable to perform some hazardous work because of possible seisures?
If not, I can't see what why you would be fired.

Were your employers providing health insurance? ( I wouldn't expect this to make any difference in your employability)
---Donna66 on 4/28/10


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I would assume that the employer sees more of a problem with the epilepsy because the diabetes is more controlled with medication. I had petit mal epilepsy from age 6 to probably the early teens. I slowly grew out of it after I decided to stop taking the medication that I was told I would have to take for the rest of my life 3 times a day (my feeling is that drugs weaken the body). The medications that you're taking likely interfere with each other. Try alternative medicine.

Maybe you could teach a chemistry course online (many people can't travel to a classroom on time because of a busy schedule, no car, etc.).
---more_excellent_way on 4/28/10


Alan...This is the statement to which I was referring:

Of course, I can't come the US to look for a job, because of insurance problems
---peter3594 on 4/28/10
---KarenD on 4/28/10


KarenD ... THis is an international forum!

If I wanted help and advice about a situatiuon that occurred to me in the UK, do you think it would be wrong for me to ask for it on these blogs?

And there are people here who arein Canada, and may be able to offer Canadian aqdvice

I don't see anyhting in the question to indicate that it is about the US healthcare system.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/28/10


Cluny: Also, not that of the 8 jobs, 5 were in China (where being epileptice is considered equivalent to being quadriplectic in the US) and the three in Greece were two chemistry ones (where I do partly understand) and the one I left (to take the second chemistry job).

In China there is no way to prevent being fired, even if it is illegal, and the schools beleived that having an epileptic/diabetic in the school 'downgraded' the school
---peter3594 on 4/28/10


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KarenD - I do not live in Canada, I live in Greece, and sorry about the comment about the US - it was added because in the US this type of firing is not standard, as I know from having worked in the US - of course, I could have said 'England' or 'Germany' where insurance is not a problem
---peter3594 on 4/28/10


Moderator: do you use the term 'repent' for a medical problem?

I do pray that God will help me in my medical problems, but I am very unsure why you use 'repent'
---peter3594 on 4/28/10


Well, since you probably live in Canada, why ask? It appears as if this question is really about the healthcare system in the USA. Just another politically-motivated question.
---KarenD on 4/28/10


Cluny: Two of the 7 were jobs where I was working in a chemistry lab (I studied chemistry) where they were afraid I would get injured (possible for diabetes, but with epilepsy, for which I got fired both times, I have long enough warning, but they got scared), while the other 5 were in schools, where the headmaster decided it was 'confusing' for the children (no comment)

That's all there is to it, except in the countries where I worked, both are seen as a major problem, unlike in more developed countries

Of course, I can't come the US to look for a job, because of insurance problems
---peter3594 on 4/28/10


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Dear Friend. I offer my love and sympathy first. Getting fired from a job is very depressing and wrecks havoc on your self-esteem. But don't let it. Your health problems are real and has to be dealt with. Pray and ask God to restore your health. He will. If you ask in all sincerity. Untill then ,perhaps you can start a small business at your home that can pay your basic bills and allow you some freedom. Get the necessary training,if need be. Ask God to direct you in this also. Sometimes people are very cruel and insensitive. Money is the bottom line at our work. If we can't do the job,they will have to get someone else,who can. Regardless of the reason(s) I am sorry. I hope things get better for you. Trust God for all of your needs. Love u
---Robyn on 4/28/10


Unless you are an airline pilot or railroad engineer, I don't know why your epilepsy or diabetes would lead to your being fired.

Something tells me that you're not telling us the whole story.
---Cluny on 4/28/10


Being fired because of sickness is not your fault. It very well could be an error in the employers part. You can contact EEOC and file a complaint if you were fired completely because of sickness.
Next look at the other side. You are so talented that 9 employers have hired you. Don't sell yourself short. Getting hired this many times shows your value. Continue to use your weakness to show your strength and never give up.
God has blessed you in your health. It may not seem like it but you will see.
May God Bless you in your every effort.
---Elder on 4/28/10


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