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Can A Christian Go To A Bar

Is it a sin to go out to a bar or club to listen to live music. Is that wrong even if you don't drink?

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Cluny, your right, "thou shall not drink alcohol" is not on tablets of stone. By answering the way you did you defend your religious traditions that drinking booze is ok. When I was Catholic, I remember I drank many times, and never thought it was wrong. I had my good times. I have spoke about those times. I did them myself. I know what almost all Catholics do. That's why there is a big difference with what you are taught and what main stream Christianity teaches.
When a person is born of the Spirit they give their lives to Christ. They are to glorify Christ in every part of their lives and be a witness to all that Christ lives in you. The Bible says we are slaves to God. I know we are not perfect, but should strive for perfection.
---MarkV. on 5/6/10


Some say that the 'elect' will come no matter what and they will remain. Another say, "They want salvation to be on their performance. Or one sin sending a genuine Christian to hell."
Why then do they have an issue with a man entering or exiting a bar? Maybe their doctrinal meke up depends on what day it is?
---Nana on 5/6/10


Cluny is right. It is an assumption that it is sinful to visit bars. I will be touring in England in September and look forward to visiting English pubs. The atmosphere is friendly, the buildings often old and interesting,good food and wonderful beer. You do not have to get drunk to enjoy the atmosphere, food or beer.

I visited a bar here in Australia, with a running group, where we congregated around the piano and sang for hours. After many visits one of the (nonChristian) women said she admired how I (as a Christian) could have fun for hours without drinking much. A good testimony?

If you think pubs/bars are dens on iniquity then stay away. But please don't preach nonBiblical legalism to the rest of us. Boring!
---Warwick on 5/6/10


No ones perfect, but being unequally yoked with unbelievers is not permitted on a social basis without the intent of salvation being a key element of the reasons for attending a bar.

The church of Christ practice casual drinking and 'church? musical events' no not the typical hymn versions either!

NOTE: I do not attend there!!!!!!!
---Carla on 5/6/10


\\What will an unsaved person ASSUME about you if they see you in a bar?\\

Not every active Christian believes that "Thou shalt not drink" came down on tablets of stone from Sinai.

And you know what they say you do to yourself when you assume.
---Cluny on 5/5/10




My Mom and Dad did not go to church because 'they saw the same people exiting the bar saturday night that went into church sunday morning'. We never had prayer, even at meals, except holidays. To this day, I'm not sure my Father was saved before he passed. There was not much fruit there. I am still discussing Jesus with Mom and I pray for her salvation and my awareness of it.
---micha9344 on 5/5/10


could be a poor witness, depending on the reason for going to a bar, no way is it a sin.
---michael_e on 5/5/10


Anyone else notice that the poster of this question did not say she was a Christian?
---KarenD on 5/5/10

Does that really matter to the answer of the question?
NO.

Paul stated that everything is permissable but not everything is profitable.
now what does that mean?
If you go to a bar all the time, are you a good witness for the Lord?
Probably NOT BUT it also depends where in the world you are. Many countries like England consider it okay. Her in the US, it might not be.
---miche3754 on 5/5/10


KarenD, I noticed, but why would a non-Christian ask this question? Why would a non-Christian care about sin?

She did ask if it is a sin to go out....etc., I haven't, in all of my years with the Lord, have a non-Christian ask me if something was sin to do.
---Donna5535 on 5/5/10


Some here exhibit a legalistic-all alcohol is bad-attitude and try to impose their nonBiblical thinking upon others.
---Warwick on 5/4/10

The issue here is not merely drinking but your TESTIMONY.

What will an unsaved person ASSUME about you if they see you in a bar? What will a saved person think? Will you make that saved person stumble because of your actions?

These questions are why the Epistles tell us to err on the side of legalism, rather than liberty.

We should always consider what our actions do to our testimony of Christ.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/10




Yes KarenD, we can't be sure but it appears there are quite a few non-believers who participate in this blog, a very interesting phenomena.
Since unbelievers have no concept of truth, holiness or even life we must assume they are either conflicted and searching for answers in obscurity or under such oppression from the enemy they choose to spread dissention among the brethren.
Either behavior is enough to drive us to our knees for their release from bondage.

Otherwise it would make no sense to spend intellectual capital for something you wholly reject.
---larry on 5/5/10


Peter, there is no difference. Pub is another name for a place that serves achololic. People gather the same in both places. People get drunk in both places. Lives change in both places. It is just another name for an inn, bar, tavern, etc. People gather, talk about what is is happening in their lives, they consult with the lost, drink with each other, many times cry for each other. The bartender hears their problems, and when they leave they are worse then when they went in. Maybe not everyone, but most. Here is what is important, do we as Christians justify going to those places by excusing it to other Christians? No. Many are struggling with drinking. They hear a Christian say it's nothing, its like pushing them back in the bar.
---MarkV. on 5/5/10


Peter ... Thank you for making the same point that I have been making!

I have no argument with what Mark is saying about the bars of which he is aware, but he seems to have difficulty in beleiving that UK pubs are any different.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/5/10


Anyone else notice that the poster of this question did not say she was a Christian?
---KarenD on 5/5/10


Mark and Alan: I think the problem is the two of you are trying to apply the same definition to two different places: the British pub, which was a gathering place where alcohol was also served, and the American bar, which is all too often (not sure of always, of course) a place where people go specifically to get drunk

So you will have to be careful in the way you approach the subject: you could both be right in your view, but have a dispute because you define the subject (the two places) differently
---peter on 5/5/10


Mark ... "Alan was the first to disagree. Giving the impression that it is ok to drink. How bars are different" Different from what?

Mark, I have no idea what the bars in your part of he world are like, except from American TV films, and I would not like to go into them.

And you don't know what an English pub is like.

So you should not say "Bars are a stronghold for the enemy, and the more we stay away from them the better we will be"

You criticise me for "Giving the impression that it is ok to drink" But you say "I do not believe that if a person drinks a beer he is sinning"

Why is it wrong for me to say virtually the same thing as you?
---aln8566_of_uk on 5/5/10


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Elder: I understand what you mean, and it's logical.

But the governor (KJV) did say that 'when they have well drunk' I took it to mean, not that they were 'drunk' but that they were at least a little less alert, so the master could place the wine that was not quite so good - I thought [possible incorrectly] that it meant that they had had enough so that they were not so picky, but not that they were drunk in the normal sense. If my explanation was confusing, I'm sorry

If you consider that to be incorrect, then you are probably correct, and again I'm sorry
---Peter3594 on 5/5/10


peter, I hope you are not spinning scripture to make a point.
The scripture says, and when men HAVE well drunk. It does not say when they ARE well drunk. Well drunk means they have drank a lot or a full amount.
A study of the words good wine and worse wine would serve to teach that Jesus' first miricle was not changing water into alcohol of any degree.
I wonder how hard it would be to pick the drinkers from the nondrinkers on this blog....
---Elder on 5/5/10


Darline 2: I don't even believe that smoking is sin, I believe it can harm you. But the time a person dies is up to God anyway. I believe that God gives us examples of things not to do for our own good. Not to keep us from been happy, but to protect us from the consequences. They can be devastating. Many have lost their familes. Some think they are so powerful they cannot fall, but are are mistaken. God can permit us to fall to bring us to a greater faith. But the pain is aweful, so many suffer for our mistakes. Everyone has an excuse for what they do and justify it as good. Bars are a stronghold for the enemy, and the more we stay away from them the better we will be. I am not saying you are wrong, only that you should not have told anyone.
---MarkV. on 5/5/10


Darline, I too am sorry this subject has touched you. It would have been better not to have given your situation. You were honest and you did. Now we have everyone talking about how it is ok to do something we are called not to do. I remember the first time they had a blog about drinking, and Alan was the first to disagree. Giving the impression that it is ok to drink. How bars are different. Then all began to give excuses for drinking. That Jesus made wine, now we have Jesus going to bars. Every excuse is given to justify what everyone does, and guess who is use? Christ. Then it is said, well when you eat to much it is sin. And on an on it goes. Look, I do not believe that if a person drinks a beer he is sinning.
---MarkV. on 5/5/10


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Warwick: I definitely agree

Some people will be better off not going to bars (or any other place where they may be tempted)

To add to your comment about Jesus, there is also the comment (Jn 2:10) which suggests that the guests had 'well drunk' - they might even have been a bit tipsy, at least enough that they might not notice how good the wine was

In the US, I think the idea of a 'bar' is very different from what I remember in the UK (the pub, which is quite respectable) - I think the idea of a bar automatically suggests something that is not righteous

Whether this is correct, I cannot say, as I have not been to a US bar, but I think there it is seen as unrighteous
---peter3594 on 5/5/10


Surely the point is these things are personal. If you have an alcohol addiction avoid bars. Likewise if you have a gambling addiction avoid places of gambling. I don't have a problem with either so am not tempted to get drunk in a bar.

I don't know where this leaves those with a food addiction which has lead them into excess, resulting in unhealthy obesity. Restaurants must be a real problem.

Some here exhibit a legalistic-all alcohol is bad-attitude and try to impose their nonBiblical thinking upon others. Scripture does not say we cannot drink alcohol, but that in all things we should be moderate. Remember it was Jesus who admitted to drinking wine (Luke 7:33-35) and created wine at the Cana wedding.

---Warwick on 5/4/10


Is it a sin to go out to a bar or club to listen to live music. Is that wrong even if you don't drink?---Blog question

Do physicians heal only physicians? Now a good doctor that likes his profession or is indebted because because of his own healing...might just go looking for a patients. No matter what the other doctors say about him. The sick are where you expect find them. Jesus knew where they were.

Psalm 107:20
He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.
Luke 6:7
And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day, that they might find an accusation against him.
---Trav on 5/4/10


---alan8566_of_uk on 5/4/10

Oh okay alan of uk, you convinced me, I'll go to a bar...LOL.

alan, don't you think it's a matter of conviction? Bars used to be a weakness for me because I LOVED going to them and partying all the time.

I was a...shhhh, don't tell anyone okay? I was a partier until I got saved and for me to go into a bar just to see if there's someone that needs to hear about Jesus would be setting myself up for temptation...that I may not be able to withstand. When in Rome, do what the Romans do...right? Besides, the bible says, "Bad company(Drinkers in a bar) corrupt good morales."
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


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Donna5535,what you gave in love I receive in love and see your point plus it might be true for you but for me it wasn't giving the appearence of evil. I never intended to share this at all on here but because you're being so nice I will. The reason I didn't give the appearence of evil because people knew I had a son playing and singing,they knew me,knew why I was there and knew what I stand for as a Christian. I went with my husband,family,and friends,we sat together,I didn't mingle. My husband and I don't drink,I don't dance,I only did what I had done all my childs life supported him in whatever he choose to pursue whether football or playing in a band. My Pastor didn't condemn me for it. Most importantly God didn't either.
---Darlene_1 on 5/4/10


I hate to chime in at the last minute but we all need to consider verses like these:

1 Cor 10:12 "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall"

Jude 1:23 "save others, snatching them out of the fire, and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh"

Jame 1:23-24 "For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was"

Eph 5:3 "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/4/10


Donna ... it all depends on the bar, and your perception of bars

How often have you been in them? Have you been in an English bar? If not don't judge them!

Read what Peter 3594 has said ... it's true!
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/4/10


Darlene, you know I love and respect you and your responses...I always read your posts.

But can we get real for a moment? LOL Thanks.

Jesus went to the sinners house, He didn't meet him at a Bar. I have sinners over my house for dinner alot and I do minister to them because "Christ is my Life."

But to walk into a bar where there's people drinking alcoholic beverages, loud music, maybe some are smoking cigs, or whatever is just not a good example. I love you, remember that....so I'm just giving my two cents here.

The bible tells us to "avoid all appearances of evil." So if a non-Christian sees me going into a bar, what would they think? I'd be talked about up the wazoo by them. Don't ya think?
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


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A Christian shouldn't go to (USA)Clubs on a regular basis or as a way of life. I will never have such a restricted view as some here who use a blanket statement which lumps all persons together and judges them harshly. What hurts me is that in a view like that there's no room for God's love nor "love your neighbor". Luke 7:36-50 (Paraphraised) Jesus was invited to eat at a Pharisee's house,he went and reclined at the table. A sinful woman heard he was there and came,stood behind him,washed his feet with her tears,dried them with her hair,and kissed them. Pharisee condemned him for letting the sinful woman touch him. Jesus reprimanded him,told the woman her sins were forgiven. Mercy,graditude,love,forgiveness,our example.
---Darlene_1 on 5/4/10


C.S. Lewis the Oxford scholar and famous Christian theologian used to hang out in English pubs to debate theology with the partons. It was part of the culture to do so.
---obewan on 5/4/10


Mark 2:14-16 (King James Version)
And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

We should not judge to harshly Elder and Markv. Jesus DID hang out with them according to this scripture.(Note: I am not agreeing or disagreeing)
---miche3754 on 5/4/10


MarkV: I am not sure about the bars in the US, but I do well remember that in other countries (UK especially) the equivalent (the pub, which has a wider range of customers, some even stop there for dinner) could be a standard place of collecting for evangelical Christians

IF (and only if) the bar has become such a hotbed of sin, then it is possible to argue we should avoid it, but I suspect you may be suggesting a ban because of a small percentage of people who visit the bars, not a general picture
---peter3594 on 5/4/10


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Elder, Grace said a bar is like a school or grocery store. The bars where they live might be different then the bars in California. K suggests, nothing is impossible with God, He can save a drunk in a bar. Of course He can save anyone He so desires. Yet that theory is not excepted when it goes against their free will when they are sober. No He cannot do that. Its impossible.
We are a people who have become liberal. The churches today think of methods and tricks on how to witness. They are not led by the Spirit. There is so many lost people, that we can avoid bars, and joints where the ungodly gather. Prison ministry is diffferent. Everywhere you go there are lost people. I'm only saying what the Bible tells us, to avoid worldly places.
---MarkV. on 5/4/10


It all depends on what sort of bar it is.

Many of our pubs over here are places where you can go for a quiet drink (and it does not have to be alcohol, and a meal. one I go to has a quiz every other Monday evening.

On the other hand there are those where it is the norm to go there and get drunk. I don't and have never gone to these

As for as music is concerend, it is usually the most respectable pubs which have the live music, and the drunkest which have just incessant canned music
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/4/10


MarkV you will soon find that the folks that feel like you and I do are a small group.
Take Grace for example. She said, "Jesus hung out on the streets w/prostitutes & all kinds of lost people."
Hung out?? Not hardly. He didn't reject the person for the sin but ministered to them. He didn't partake of the sin to reach them either. He didn't enter the prostitute's home to entertain her so He could win her.
When He dealt with the demon possessed man in the grave yard (tombs) He didn't take off His clothes to be like Him.
Ya ain't gonna pull 'em from the quicksand by jumping in wit' 'em.
---Elder on 5/3/10


Again Christians lump Christians together as guilty and are being judgemental and you don't know what is true for everyperson unless you are with every Christian when they do wrong. Mark 7:1-5 When Pharisees and teachers saw disciples eating with dirty hands contrary to custom they questioned Jesus about it,then Jesus said Mark 7:14,20,23 Listen to me everyone and understand this,"Nothing outside a man can make him unclean by going into him,it is what comes out of a man that makes him unclean." Jesus named all the evils and said"All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean". James 4:11,12 Brothers do not slander one another.-who are you to judge your neighbor. A Godly heart goes with its bearer.
---Darlene_1 on 5/3/10


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Grace, There is no confusion in knowing that the strong holes for the enemy is in bars and joints where people go to find refuge. They do not find refuge in Christ. No Christian has any business in those ungodly places. Are you going to witness to a drunk? Or you going to pick on one who only had two drinks? This has nothing to do with legalist.
You say, Jesus did this and that, well let me remind you, we are not Jesus. He was, is and always will be, God Almighty, and there is a big difference there, we are but clay. We have power but we don't have what He has at His disposal. If you think the Holy Spirit is leading you to a bar, you can be sure He is not. He leads you away from worldly places.
---MarkV. on 5/3/10


I agree we need to avoid places where there is outright rampant sinning, but not all bars are that way.

Some are more resturant than bar. People go to eat rather than get drunk, and sometimes the music is gentle and not worldly trash music.

Like I said, some members of our church worship team played in just such a place. They were able to play 3 or 4 Christian tunes with every set and then invited people to church the next day to hear more - ane people did come.
---obewan on 5/3/10


It is not true a person has to be sober to be saved. The Holy Spirit works miraculously in ways we do not understand. It is not a requirement that we change to accept Christ, that follows from receiving Him as Lord and Savior.
---K on 5/3/10


Grace, the question wasn't asked if they can go into a bar to witness. Jesus didn't hang out with sinners to sin and nor should we. Of course Christians have no business in a bar unless they are only there to witness and in most cases the manager would toss them out if that was the situation.
---Alan on 5/3/10


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Many are confused. Confusion doesn't come from God. Jesus hung out on the streets w/prostitutes & all kinds of lost people. He did not spend all of his time in the church or around Godly people. The earth is Satan's realm. A bar is no different than a grocery store or school.I teach dance & am in and out of bars on a daily basis.If I A CHRISTIAN did not go in2 these places there would be less Christians on earth.We have helped many find God. Being a Christian is not about following a list of do's & dont's.God is w/us wherever we go. Legalists believe you cant do many things because you might be tempted to sin.Inst Gluttony a sin? If so, should we stop eating? They key is understanding that anything we do in excess is a danger.
---Grace on 5/3/10


Elder, I agree with your points. A true Christian should not enter a place controlled by Satan. It's a danger to Christians. The bars and joints are his domain. The lost find their refuge in those places and the enemy has them in his hold. Christians have no business been in those places at all. I remember when I went in one of those places, my wife and I had separated, to look for her, and when I walked in, the first thing I felt was something very powerful in there, and it was not God. I ran out right away. A brother at my Church told me I should not walk in those places. When God wants to save someone it will not be while they are drunk, but when they are of sound mind and know, understand and believe what they are hearing from His Word.
---MarkV. on 5/3/10


Robyn, obewan and anyone else, Sin is what God says sin is, not what we think it is.
God's message to us is written. It says to flee all appearence of evil.
I counceled a pastor who was going to a "Red light district" house to witness to the professional workers there. How does anyone feel about a pastor going in this house and then coming out an hour later?
His actions, seen by people who don't know what is going on inside by him, does tremendous damage to the cause of Christ.
Stay away from the drunk clubs and bars!
---Elder on 5/2/10


It is sin if you think it is. How do you feel going into that bar? If you feel condemned then it is sin,for you! You cannot say it is sin for every Christian. Your relationship with the Lord is different, from say....mine. But one thing for sure, a Christian may fall into sin for a season but will not willfully stay in it. If he/ she does, they need to check the condition of their heart, and question their relationship with their Savior.
---Robyn on 5/2/10


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KarenD--- Age is in the mind...as long as the body co-operates.
---Donna66 on 5/1/10


Darlene, I need no reminder of truth. But let me remind you of thisd truth: Jesus went down to the sinner Only to Save the sinner from their sin, he never went down to the sinner to join in their sinner ways...Big Difference!
---Eloy on 5/1/10
While that is true, you have to define "sin".

Listening to GOOD music is not a sin nor is taking just ONE drink. I am confident Jesus did both.
---obewan on 5/1/10


Darlene, I need no reminder of truth. But let me remind you of thisd truth: Jesus went down to the sinner Only to Save the sinner from their sin, he never went down to the sinner to join in their sinner ways...Big Difference!
---Eloy on 5/1/10


KarenD,

My mind keeps telling my body that and my body will not listen.
---aka_joseph on 5/1/10


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My friend who is 80 and pastoring a church and my friend who is 94 and still living alone and is still driving and I had this very conversation. We commented how some people when they get in their 50s just sit down and think they are old. I look at it this way. I have 20-30 more years before I am as old as my two dear friends who are in better shape than many 50 and 60 year olds. Age is in the mind!!!!
---KarenD on 4/30/10


It is not the place, it is the actions that count

After all, there is one place in the Bible where someone (Timothy, I think) is told to take some wine for his 'frequent illness' or something like that
---peter3594 on 4/30/10


Eloy,just a friendly reminder,Jesus didn't just go around Godly people. He was called a wine bibber and ate with Publicans and Sinners. He sought out the sinner and so did the Apostles to preach the good news Jesus saves. I don't advocate making it a habit to go to places like Honky Tonks(thats what they're called in Texas) but we must not be afraid to be around sinners and it will not have an adverse effect on us if we stay close to and strong in the Lord. I never degenerated in those,my son had a Country Western band and when he would ask his Dad and I to come hear him,we never let him down. No matter where we are if we carry ourselves as a light for God others will see it.
---Darlene_1 on 4/30/10


okay okay stop ragging on me because I said 51 is OLD...LOL. Too funny.

It's old for me because I've been through so much sorrow and painful suffering in life.

My kids are in heaven and I want to get there, so the days drag (sometimes) for me except when I'm helping others, reaching out to brokenhearted people and ministering to God my Father and Jesus His Son.
---Donna5535 on 4/30/10


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If anyone would beg you to go to a place where the gathering is for alcohol drinkers to party, be more mature and decline insistently, saying, "Blessed the person that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful." Psalm 1:1. More people degenerate in that kind of place, rather than find the Lord, for it is commonly known the Lord is found more frequently where the godly abide rather than the ungodly, for his Christians are the center of his eye.
---Eloy on 4/30/10


51 is old?? :)
---Rod4Him on 4/30/10

I know right!
Since when is 51 old?
---miche3754 on 4/30/10


Donna5535 I just must share this with you about age. Last year I turned 71 and Mama was wishing me Happy Birthday,all of a sudden she ask "how old are you." I said Mama,I'm 71,she answered "you're old",I ask Mama "what does that make you?". She was 91,ha ha I've laughed about this so many times. So you see Donna compared to the two of us you are still young. I've always said the sad thing about getting old is I still feel like that 16 year old in my heart,but if I try to act like I am,I find out pretty quick I'm not!
---Darlene_1 on 4/30/10


51 is old?? :)
---Rod4Him on 4/30/10


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I would normally do what Darlene did, but I'm old now, 51, so I don't go to bars or clubs or anywhere where there is loud music and drinking. I'm just not into it and can't even be in that atmosphere.

It's not wrong, it's all how you act when you are there - I agree with Darlene.

Paul said all things are permissable, but not all things are profitable.

Remember: The Flesh profits nothing (per Jesus).
---Donna5535 on 4/30/10


No. listening to music at a bar is not a sin,even drinking modestly 1 drink,is not sinning.If it doesn't cause you to stumble in your walk then it's not sining. occassionally i'll go with my husband to a poolhaul where our friends have their band EMBER playing(he knows the band people) & though their type of music isn't my style,heavy metal christian type....I go to spend time with my husband & I do not drink alchohol anyhow.
---candice on 4/30/10


Going to a bar to listen to music won't damn a stong Christian to hell. What can lead you astray is your behavior in relation to whats going on there. I went to a Honky Tonk because of my good friends birthday and she begged me to,promising to take care of me. I didn't need anyone to take care of me,not even my husband who was with me,my moral standards were high and I behaved as a Christian. By standing out in the crowd,as a Christian,the womans sister watched me and due to how I set myself apart from the ways of that place she was impressed,and realized she needed the Lord. She was saved and married a Pastor and has served the Lord with him for almost half a Century now. She testified in church I was the reason she got saved.
---Darlene_1 on 4/30/10


Irene....There is absolutely no reason for a Christian to go into a bar to listen to live music when CDs are so readily available if you want to listen to worldly music.
---KarenD on 4/30/10


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only you and God know you motives,most bars I have been in have a worldly crowd,but who knows there just might be angels there once in awhile.
---tom2 on 4/30/10


Pt1 Irene,

It is a bit unfair to whomever you are trying to convince to garner support from stangers. The other party might have genuine concerns for you that is truly valid.

Firstly, what kind of music is this? Just because you are not ingesting alcohol, does not mean you are not taking in poison through your ears.

Secondly, who are you going with? We are warned many times to stay away from the company of fools by the Bible.

That leads into the third point...
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10


Be wiser, for you can choose to listen to live music at places where there is no alcohol in the audience.
---Eloy on 4/30/10


There are really a lot of variables that play into this question.

Most of all it depends on what kind of bar it is. Some places are well known for being rowdy pick up joints. Others are so respectable that you could take your kids with no problem - assuming it was legal.

As a rule, I avoid bars. However, my job in company sponsored functions has taken me to a few where I sipped coke and talked with clients at an evening reception that preceded a nice dinner.

I mean, there ARE piano bars where jazz and classical music is played and no one is seen drunk or pursuing one night stands! And there are bars that are more known for FOOD than alcohol!
---obewan on 4/29/10


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Yes, a Christian can go to a bar, Just as Jesus went to a tax collectors house. But only to preach the good news of the gossible. Not to enjoy, or join inn or to participate in their sin. No drunkard will go to heaven. I wouldn't go! because its easier to take down a christian in the den of devels. But if you had 3 or 4 stong mature christians to go for a mission to serve God then ok! But I wouldn't with 3 or 4 who say they are christians and realy dont fallow God. Beware of the devils scheems for thousands of years evil has decieved many. Dont you be one. Be wise read proverbs over and over. Pray ask God for guidence. And you will see those you once hung out with get old and have no good life........................... Beware fiend
---MMB on 4/29/10


The question to ask yourself is if your time in that bar is glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ. Will you be witnessing for the Lord if that bar? What if someone you have been witnessing to comes into that bar and sees you? Where do you want Jesus to find you when HE comes back for HIS CHURCH?
---KarenD on 4/29/10


A lot of Christians in secret sin go to bars, nude clubs and the like. They are still Christians but carnal with a certain portion of their life out of control. Such confessions can be heard at any Promise Keepers meeting.

God as always goes to the motive of the heart.
WHY are you going to a bar if you are not going to drink and partially escape reality?
The Holy Spirit never urges anything against the will of the Father so rebuke that small still voice you are hearing, take your bible and laptop and head to Panera Bread for some quite time amid the aroma of coffee and fresh pastries.
---larry on 4/29/10


Bars are the devils paridice If you don't believe me,go into a bar early then sit and watch how people change the more they drink.
I avoid them like the plague
---Joseph on 4/29/10


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Is that wrong even if you don't drink?

Not in my opinion. Is this the ONLY setting where the group plays?

Christians in the real work-a-day world may have occasions when they are expected to attend a function, if not actually held in a bar, in a setting where everyone is drinking. One finds this in the military and corporate settings.

I always made an appearance if expected to,
ordered a plain coke or ginger ale and sipped it until I felt free to leave.
If questioned, I always just said, "I don't drink." Only the rude or the drunk will pry further, and they deserve to be ignored.
---Donna66 on 4/29/10


Jesus drank alcohol ...

He was called a "wine-bibber", but that was an unjust and untrue accusation, because He did not drink to excess.

There is nothing wrong with live music ... that's how music is made!! How much nicer to see the musicians and perhaps talk to them, than just listen to a recording!
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/29/10


The Bible says we are to stay away from even the appearance of evil. Even if you don't drink, this could ruin your testimony with others, and make you not represent Christ as well - you might be seen as a hypocrite. Plus, if you are a former alcoholic, this could tempt you into going back to that sin. We must be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. Remember you represent Jesus in all you do.
---Leslie on 4/29/10


No I do not believe it is wrong to go to a bar... Look at what the bible says according to this. A person can go to a bar or even a private party and become a witness to those around them by having fun without getting drunk and acting stupid.

My wife went to a New Year's eve party and when we were leaving another guest came up to us and said. "Wow! You guys are great, you had a good time without drinking."

If Jesus had not come amoung us sinners what kind of condition would this old world be in?
---Darrell on 4/29/10


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We are supposed to be IN the world but NOT OF the world.

If a person does not have a drinking problem, then going to a bar will be no more a stumbling block than walking past the beer and wine display in their local grocery store. Should they stay away from groceries too?

Jesus would probably go into a bar. I know of churches that did just that to witness and counsel people. The bars even gave them a table in the back room with coke and chips to talk to people.

I also know Christians who played out in bands and people from church would go and listen and say hi. They were selective with the play list too - no "bad" music.
---obewan on 4/29/10


The life of a believer is a walk with God, not a list of dos and don'ts.

What does your heart, as you walk with God through Jesus Christ, tell you?
---Rod4Him on 4/29/10


It's promoting temptations, also, 1st. John 2 v's 15 - 16. It's No place for a True Christian.
---Lawrence on 4/29/10


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