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Who is 'god'? Do Christians, Muslims, and Jew believe in the same 'god'? Are their heavens and hells the same?

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It is false doctrine, and a lie, saying, "All faiths are the same, and worship the same God", and People of different religions all worship the same God but use different names for him. O foolish one, know that there is only one Lord God Jesus Christ born in Bethlehem of Judea in the 2nd hour of night on Dec.25th, 5 B.C. And this Salvation for all mankind is exclusive, and his name is NOT a Mary, a Peter, a Paul, a Sally, a Jesse, a Raphalie, no Joseph Smith, no Buddha, no Krishna, no Allah, no angel, no minister, no prophet, no healer, nor any other creature, but Salvation is only Jesus Christ and him alone.
---Eloy on 5/6/10


francis, maybe being the same God or not being the same God is semantics. The thought that came to mind was that some people will call Him, "Lord, Lord," but He say He never knew them.

Even though some people will call Him, "Lord," they must have an inaccurate understanding of Who God is and what God expects from them. I suppose one could say they worship the same God, but two of the groups you mention do so in vain.
---Rod4Him on 5/4/10


\\Bottom line: They worship the same God.
---francis on 5/4/1\\

Wrong.

Christians worship God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jews and Mahometans do not.

Furthermore, Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but through Me."

If Jews and Mahometans have ANY knowledge of the Father without coming to Christ, then the Lord Jesus was incarnate, crucified, resurrected, and ascended IN VAIN!

They might have conceptions and ideas about the Father, but every one of these is, in effect, an idol. It may not be externalized in paint or wood and exist only in their minds, but God is not fooled by externals.
---Cluny on 5/4/10


Francis,

Okay, so they worship the same god, and it would seem have the same heaven and hell available.

But the scriptures are different, with different instructions. So does a Muslim get 72 virgins in heaven after he martyrs himself with the christians he killed in the same heaven?
---atheist on 5/4/10


Bottom line: They worship the same God.
---francis on 5/4/10




Forgive my absence...I am knee deep in water in TN.

I have no defense but Jesus the Savior (Christ). However, I know that the Creator is not the author of confusion. JWs might say that Jesus came in the flesh, but do they believe that Jesus that came in the flesh is our Savior (or Christ)?

2 John 1:9-11
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed [i.e., God bless you] is partaker of his evil deeds.
---aka_joseph on 5/4/10


\\All three have Jesus as a great prophet.
---francis on 5/4/10\\

Obviously, you know nothing about Judaism, francis.

Judaism does NOT consider Jesus a "great prophet".

In fact, Jesus is spoken of in the Talmud (the written form of the tradition of the Jewish elders that Christ condemned) in terms so blasphemous I will not repeat them here.

For Christians, Jesus must be God Incarnate.

If He is not, then He is either a liar or a lunatic.

"Great prophet" is not an alternative that is offered.
---Cluny on 5/4/10


Who is 'god'? Do Christians, Muslims, and Jew believe in the same 'god'? All three have Moses as a great prophet.
All three have Jesus as a great prophet.
---francis on 5/4/10

Well only two of the above believe he was a prophet only....to keep from insulting the powerful Christians.

Christians know he was Messiah. Most Christians cannot tell you why they know or believe. Most cannot tell you where New Covenant was stated. 99% do not know GOD married,divorced and will remarry the same divorced. But, they know in hearts and minds fulfilling all scripture...again without even realizing it. Heb 8:10.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 5/4/10


Jesus was simply saying that you cannot worship God in the flesh, you must worship God in the spirit. Note: [God cannot compete with the flesh]. And this takes salvation. And is an absolute impossibility, that, if you do not know Jesus you cannot know the living God. because in order to know this living God you must first know Jesus.
---Catherine on 5/4/10


How can Jesus be 'God incarnate' and 'come in the flesh' at the same time? Jesus said, 'God is a spirit'. Jo.4:24.
---David8318 on 5/2/10

David, I hesitate to even jump in here as I am not a trinitarian expounder. Your question above is answered in completeness though scripturally. In the marriage/divorce/remarriage of GOD. It explains the far sighted planning/fulfillment/love and total visibility/power GOD has over man kind.
Isaiah 54:5....
For thy Maker is thine husband,
Jer 3:14
Hosea 2:7
Jer 3:8
---Trav on 5/4/10




In understanding who the Only True God is, the challenge is to learn and understand Who He really is verses, Who we want Him to be, who could be a figment of our imagination, or who may be a preconceived notion of our minds.
---Rod4Him on 5/4/10


The question is not about salvation.

it is: Who is 'god'? Do Christians, Muslims, and Jew believe in the same 'god'? Are their heavens and hells the same?

It is not about what is written in the Bible, or Koran, but who is God.

And all three religions worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

All three have Moses as a great prophet.
All three have Jesus as a great prophet.
---francis on 5/4/10


I believe francis hit the nail on the head today.
As everyone can see old history of God is conflictive of newer teachings of Jesus who represents him although there is both conflicting ,mixed and mingeled verses throughout many biblical texts.
The idea of God sending a team of exterminators to destroy every human before them is most unlike Jesus' teachings from his Father or his statement on this matter of exterminating people-let the weeds grow along side the wheat until harvest.
---earl on 5/4/10


Francis, Allah is consumed by hatred commanding his followers kill and maim.

Can you imagine Jesus commanding such blood-lust?

-Warwick on 5/4/10

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

1 Samuel 15:18 And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
---francis on 5/4/10


\\Good grief, you talk like there is only one god that people believe either believe in or not.
---atheist on 5/3/10\\

You're catching on, atheist!

There is only ONE real God, Who has revealed Himself through Christ as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

You either believe in God as He really is, or you don't believe in Him at all.

And if you ask a question, don't complain if you don't like the answer you get.
---Cluny on 5/4/10


Francis, read the Koran, e.g. Surah 4.89, 5:51, 8:39, 8:67, 9:123,47:4-Allah is consumed by hatred commanding his followers kill and maim. Surah 47:4 tells Muslim's to murder and injure disbelievers or take take them captive!

Can you imagine Jesus commanding such blood-lust?

Surah 5:51 commands Muslims not to take Jews or Christians as friends. If we worship the same God why does Allah say this?

Compare these quotes to Jesus words. You will see our God commands we do unto others as we would have them do unto ourselves, not murder, but love our enemies.

Further the Koran gives no surety of salvation.

God's word tells us that Jesus came and paid the price of our sin that we may be assured of this!
---Warwick on 5/4/10


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Jesus is Almighty God. No, all religions are idolatry, but the Christian worships the living and everlasting Christ. You can ask the religions what their heavens and hells are, but the real heaven and hell that God created are detailed in the holy scriptures.
---Eloy on 5/4/10


'atheist': "you talk like there is only one god"

Duh! There is only one REAL God! He is the God of the Jews and the Christians. The others, like Allah, are false gods. Even the Bible confirms that there are many false gods. They are mere distractions, created by the enemy of God to keep you from knowing the REAL God. It would seem that the ruse has been successful in your case.
---jerry6593 on 5/4/10


Warwick, you need to get your head out of your Neo-platonic text books and dictionaries and start reading God's word the Bible.

You are a Neo-platonist trinitarian through and through. If you were snapped in half, they'd find "Neo-platonism" written right through you.

You do not promote pure Christianity, but Pagan Greek philosophies under a thin veneer of what you think is 'Christian'.

It's not rocket science. 'Trinity' is a man-made word and belief and forms the backbone to every cultist movement.
---David8318 on 5/4/10


"Truth consists of having the same ideas about something that God has."

You have in the past noted that belief in god is ultimately just that,---belief. It follow then that believing that you have the same ideas as god, i.e. '"truth", is therefore ultimately and only belief.

So do you now admit, that the ultimate basis for the truth of morality is simply what you believe, which is the same exactly what you accused me, an atheist of?
---atheist on 5/4/10


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David, you are entertaining!

I am neither pagan, into Greek philosophies, nor mythology of any kind, being a Bible-believing Christian. Joseph Joubert said it for me "Truth consists of having the same ideas about something that God has."

You are JW, indoctrinated into a cultic party line. You only repeat what you have been indoctrinated to believe.

We have been through this before but you continue to knowingly misrepresent what we believe about the Trinity.

BTW Incarnate simply means came in the flesh as in John 1:14 "the word became flesh."
---Warwick on 5/3/10


Larry,

Muslims believe in their god by faith alone, just as you. Is that the same god you believe in?

Good grief, you talk like there is only one god that people believe either believe in or not.
---atheist on 5/3/10


Atheist, God is not known he is revealed.
Seek him and you'll know.

This is the thousandth time you've asked this question by simply rearranging the words for which there is no answer without faith.

Put out a "fleece" and sincerely say "God, I really want to know if you are there" and you'll find him, for God rewards those who diligently seek him.

Why waste another moment on the Internet?

Good grief man.
---larry on 5/3/10


David8318:

Again, you aren't listening to what trinitarians ACTUALLY say about their beliefs, rather, you pick one single claim, then extrapolate to an incorrect conclusion, totally ignoring that their statted beliefs are the exact opposite. Trinitarians believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one, yet have separate natures. The Holy Spirit is Spirit. Jesus came in the Flesh. The Holy Spirit was not cruficied for our sins.

Compare this with the nature of light. Physicists believe light behaves both as a particle and as a wave. One could sieze the claim "light is a particle" an say "See? the two-slit exeriment proves this is wrong since that proves it's a wave", even though physicists ACKNOWLEDGE this.
---StrongAxe on 5/3/10


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David8318.....God is a Holy God. God does not send anyone to hell. It's that persons choice if he is sent to hell or not. God has given us a gift in His son Jesus Christ.
Your right, God is love, but we also have a free will. God lets us make the choice.
---JIM on 5/3/10


It's abundantly clear from your comment Earl that it is difficult for you to see Jesus as a spirit being in heaven, but gave up that divine nature, 'was made lower than the angels' and 'became flesh'. (Heb.2:7, John 1:14)

You trinitarians promote the Hellenic philosophy that Jesus was divine and human while on earth, or 'God incarnate'.

This is not a Bible teaching. Jesus came in the flesh- to say he didn't or that he was part spirit is anti-Christ philosophy according to 1 John 4:2,3.

Whose teachings are you quoting when you say, 'The soul does not exist if God is not present within the mind. We then have both a human nature... and a spirit nature... transforming... into... a son of God'?

This sounds like Mormonism.
---David8318 on 5/3/10


Jos 10:12-14 Then spake Joshua to the LORD...and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed...So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.
Mark 4:39-41 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? And they...said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


I do not see anything offensive to believe Jesus' two natures-human and divine.
By comparrison we humans have a human nature and a divine presence within us .The soul does not exist if God is not present within the mind.
We then have both a human nature in progressive stages and a spirit nature in progressive stages later the spirit nature we encourage to overcome the human nature transforming the mortal into a divine nature - a son of God.
By comparison Jesus did,as scripture state,grew in knowledge and wisdom daily.He began his and spiritualy worked through his mortal career humanly overcoming the beast -human nature with divine Fatherly guidance just like we do today.
---earl on 5/3/10


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Jim, I think you should be more concerned about your relationship with God than mine because at the moment it appears from your comments that you have a relationship with a false, non-Biblical triune deity.

Interesting you say 'Who else can forgive sins but God'. But as a trinitarian, I would imagine you believe in a hellfire, do you?

What do you think- would God who can and does forgive sins, and who is a God of love send someone to burn for the rest of eternity in a hellfire?

To send people to 'burn in fire' is something not in God's heart to do (Jer.7:31). To set light to someone is grotesque! Would you do it?

Anyway, a sinner is 'acquitted of their sins' at death, Romans 6:7.
---David8318 on 5/3/10


Warwick, the word 'incarnate' is not used in the Bible to describe Jesus. In fact, after a bit of research, I can now see your usage of 'incarnate' when applied to Jesus stems from your Pagan Greek mythological beliefs.

It all makes perfect sense now why you and Joseph as Neo-platonist trinitarians use 'incarnate' to describe Jesus. I'd forgotten your mantra- 'Jesus is fully man and fully God'.

Your philosophical incarnation theory of the 'two natures,' human and divine with reference to Jesus being 'God incarnate' or a 'God-man', reveal you've been duped into using Plato's philosophy of metaphysics to understand the trinity.

'Incarnate' is not a Biblical description of Jesus, but a teaching of Neo-platonist trinitarians.
---David8318 on 5/3/10


Strongaxe, it's trinitarians who believe 'Jesus is God'. It thus stands to reason that trinitarians do not believe Jesus came in the flesh because Jesus said 'God is a spirit' at John 4:24.

Jesus was here on earth when he said 'God is a spirit'. What then was Jesus when he said that, 'spirit' or 'flesh'?

Jesus was not referring to himself at John 4:24- was he? I don't think so. He drew a distinction between himself as a man in 'the flesh', but to God as a 'spirit'.

When trinitarians say 'Jesus is God', they deny that Jesus 'came in the flesh' and thus promote anti-Christ propaganda. 1 Jo.4:2,3.

In the context of John 4:24, what was Jesus when he was on earth, flesh or spirit? What do you say strongaxe?
---David8318 on 5/3/10


False religion is identified with religious practices common in ancient Babylon. Why else would Apostle John be inspired to describe the enemy of God's people in the 'Lords Day' as 'Babylon the Great'. (Re.1:10, 17:5)

Babylon worshipped triads of god's, hellfire and immortality of the human soul. Pagan Greek theologians adapted Babylons triad to a 'triune' god using Plato's philosophy of metaphysics.

It's difficult to see any daylight between trinitarians, Muslims, Hindu's and other religious organisations collectively called 'Babylon the Great' because, fundamentally, they all promote the same Babylonian religious beliefs.

The warning regarding 'Babylon the Great' is to 'GET OUT OF HER'. Re.18:4.
---David8318 on 5/3/10


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John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


So Cluny....Let's say you go to someone's house and they receive you, but reject your son, does that mean they don't believe in you too? I'm not so sure....
---Donna5535 on 4/30/10

Cluny? Where is your response to this? I'm just curious if you see my point.

Jews believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, so do Christians. So they DO believe in the same God, but please answer my question, thank you Cluny.
---Donna5535 on 5/3/10


Yes christians , muslims, and jews do believe in the same God. They all refer to Him as the God of Abraham, Isaac, jacob, and Ishmael. Which he is.

Christians, jews and muslim all follow the same ten commandments. Jews and some christians have their sabbath as indicated bythe ten commandments.

Most christians have the sabbath on sunday. Muslims have thier sabbath on friday.

Muslims, Jews and some christians keep the bibleical dietary laws.

All have Moses as a great prophet.

None of them agree on what hell is.

All have a smilar concept of heaven, with different details.

All believe in judgment. Punishment, and reward
---Francis on 5/3/10


David8318....Your blindness to who Jesus is appears to me to be a lack of a loving relationship between you and our Lord and Savior.
Let me ask you this.
Who else can forgive sins but God?
---JIM on 5/3/10


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David8318:

Instead of trying to take a few scriptures to deduce what trinitarians "must therefore" believe, and then base them on heresy based on words you are putting in their mouths, why don't you instead see what they ACTUALLY SAY that they believe, and judge them on that?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/10


"Who is 'god'?" "Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? ... Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know?"
I will answer you, as Father answered Moses and Isaiah.
"I AM THAT I AM" Who concerning Jesus declared "Thou art my Son."
"Call His name Immanuel, which is translated, "God with us."
Exd.3:14>Psa.2:7>Isa.7:14
The Father's children, whether labeled Christian, Jew, or Muslim, know "there is [only] one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we [all] exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we [all] exist."
---joseph on 5/2/10


StangAxe, you are correct that JW's believe that Jesus came in the flesh. That's what scripture teaches.

Trinitarians here however believe Jesus is God. Jesus said 'God is a spirit', Jo.4:24. Trinitarians thus believe Jesus did not come in the flesh.

They also promote the unscriptural word 'incarnate' and say God was 'clothed' with flesh. This again is unscriptural-

'The Word BECAME flesh...' John 1:14 (not 'clothed with')

'He (Jesus) was made manifest in the flesh.' 1 Tim.3:16.

'He (Christ) being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.' 1 Peter.3:18.

Jesus was not 'God incarnate'. Jesus BECAME flesh. Jesus was not God (as trinitarinas teach) because 'God is a spirit'. Jo.4:24.
---David8318 on 5/3/10


David, on another thread you wrote "God is a spirit Jesus said at John 4:24. It is anti-Christ thus to teach Jesus is God incarnate."

On this thread you wrote "Joseph, show me where I have denied Jesus came in the flesh? Otherwise you are a liar"

I can understand Joseph's confusion as I cannot comprehend what you do indeed believe. Being incarnate is the same as saying came in the flesh. Therefore it does seem you are denying that Jesus, God the Son, came in the flesh.

Maybe you need to expalin what you do mean?


---Warwick on 5/3/10


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David8318:

I am not aware of ANY trinitarians who actually believe (let alone teach) that Jesus did not come in the flesh. Even Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus came in the flesh, they just don't believe that he is or was God.

Can you cite any references that show that any significant group of trinitarians (let alone all trinitarians) believe that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh?
---StrongAxe on 5/2/10


1John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
"As John points out, Jesus not being God was baptised in HolySpirit, thus becoming 'the Christ'. That was the whole point of Jesus' baptism which trinitarians are unable to fathom."--David8318 on 4/26/10--Jesus receives HS blog.
Obviously the Bible states that Jesus came in the flesh as Christ, in which I have yet to see david8318 confess, hence the statements made by aka joseph.
---micha9344 on 5/2/10


Oh, so Joseph admits to being a liar (5/2/10). None of his comments should thus be taken seriously. I've often said Jesus came in the flesh which have all been vehemently refuted by trinitarians.

You only have to look at Micha9344 comments here (5/1/10) who Joseph speaks so highly of, to see that trinitarians don't believe Jesus came in the flesh.

Joseph, I think Micha9344 has revealed who you really are. Your sordid secret has been discovered. It is you and your trinitarian cohorts who promote lies, apostasy and anti-Christ propaganda through the trinity doctrine.

How can Jesus be 'God incarnate' and 'come in the flesh' at the same time? Jesus said, 'God is a spirit'. Jo.4:24.
---David8318 on 5/2/10


Joseph, show me where I have denied Jesus came in the flesh? Otherwise you are a liar.
---David8318 on 5/2/10

I cannot show you where you have denied Jesus came in the flesh? But, I cannot show you where you have confessed Jesus came in the flesh?

So, straight up... Do you, David8318, acknowledge that Jesus came in the flesh?
---aka_joseph on 5/2/10


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Warwick and Micha: It seems Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Babylonians, stole from God, when Israel was occupied by Babylonia (2Ch 36:7). Cyrus, king of Persia, allowed the temple be rebuilt and gave back to God what Nebuchadnezzar stole (Ezr 6:5). So, it appears the Babylonians stole from God, and the JWs are trying to make it seem like we are borrowing from the Babylonians.

It is interesting that David uses a verse from Revelation of Jesus Christ (Rev 1:1) of whom John the author says that he was a witness to while Jesus was he on Earth (Rev 1:2). Isn't he trying to deny Jesus as the Christ, yet he is quoting from Jesus Christ's Revelation?
---aka_joseph on 5/2/10


I think that the Muslims believe they have the same God as the Jews....
And their history goes back to then ... they are the descendants of Ishmael, and since he was the elder brother, they beleive they should be the true inheritors from Abraham.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/30/10

They believe in the same GOD, they don't have the intercessor or the covenants promising.

Hebrews 11:18
Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed, and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
---Trav on 5/2/10


David, again you resort to intentional deceit. How can I call you a liar? Simply because you have brought up this triad of god's nonsense before. And you have been told that we who believe in the Trinity do not believe in 3 gods but in one God. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Three in one. Just as Scripture says.

You have no answers and deceitfully repeat your nonsense over and over again.

You will certainly say 'Trinity' does not occur in the Bible, but Jehovah does not appear in any legitimate Hebrew or Greek manuscript of the Bible.

The word 'Theocracy' is not found in Scripture also but JW's describe their organization as a Theocracy.
---Warwick on 5/1/10


David8318 did not tell you that Muslims and JW's both believe that God did not come in the flesh, as well as Budhists, Hindus, and most of your other so-called religions.
This is a serious doctrinal statement that cannot be disregarded.
'True Christianity has nothing in common with Islam.'---David8318 on 5/1/10
---micha9344 on 5/1/10


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David8318

I had a few men stop at my house before. They gave me a book called, "What the Bible really says."

One of their goals was to discredit the Bible by using the Bible.

One thing my Bible says is "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist."

You have made the claim that Christ Jesus did not come in the flesh, therefore nobody here is obliged to address the twisted logic that you present.

You can present this twisted logic under any name, the result will be the same for truly discerning disciples.
---aka_joseph on 5/1/10


In Babylon, triads of deities were prominent and the immortal soul teaching.

Triads such as Sin, Shamash, and Ishtar. Also Labartu, Labasu, and Akhkhazu. Platonising 'Early Church Fathers' used Plato's philosophy of metaphysics to reconcile Babylons triads to a 'triune' deity, enabling them to worship God, not as 3 gods, but as 'three in one'. Thus conforming to the 'Shema' at Deut.6:4.

The Babylonians believed in the immortality of the human soul.- The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by M.Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 556.

'Babylon the Great' of today incorporates these main false doctrines- trinity, hellfire and immortal soul. Revelation 18:4 says- 'Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins.'
---David8318 on 5/1/10


Oh, so Joseph believes it's wrong for man to burn people in ritualistic sacrifices, but ok to believe in a God who sends people to burn for the rest of eternity in a hellfire. This is assassination of God's character of 'love' by false religion. (1 John 4:8)

Regarding sacrificing or burning people in any sort of condition is "a thing that I (God) had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Jeremiah 7:31

It is not in God's nature to punish people eternally in such cruel, sadistic way. God does not hold eternal grudges. (Lev.19:18)

The false doctrine of hellfire was introduced by the RCC as a means to control people and to extort money from the needy in their time of bereavement.
---David8318 on 5/1/10


As Joseph, micha9344, catherine, and other trinitarians demonstrate, their beliefs are no different to the god and form of worship found in Islam.

Muslims and trinitarians have more in common with eachother than they care to admit.

Muslims and trinitarians believe in hellfire and an immortal soul- false teachings not found in the Bible. Muslims and trinitarians do not represent the God of love in the Bible or the God that Jesus Christ His son spoke about. (1 John 4:8)

Muslims and trinitarians have been at eachothers throats since the Crusades and continue to foster war and hatred on an international scale.

True Christianity has nothing in common with Islam.
---David8318 on 5/1/10


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True Christianity has nothing in common with Islam.

Yet trinitarians and Muslims both believe in a hellfire. God said burning people in fire was something that 'I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.' Jer.7:31.

The Koran, the holy book of Islam, teaches that man has a soul that goes on living after death. It speaks of the final destiny for the soul as being either life in a heavenly garden of paradise or punishment in a burning hell. This is exactly what trinitarians will have you believe. Their belief systems are one and the same.

The Bible on the other hand teaches that 'a soul that is sinning, it itself will die.' Ezekiel 18:4.

The dead 'are conscious of nothing at all.' Eccls.9:5.
---David8318 on 5/1/10


The Jews are stymied from knowing the Messiah because their own image of who they expect Him to be is in the way, they won't accept the message:
Romans 10:3-4, since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
They cannot switch from the Law to Faith by not accepting Christ. So until then they are here:
2 Corinthians 3:14-15, But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
But they must be persuaded one day:
Romans 11:25, Israel has received a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
---John_II on 5/1/10


Joseph, it's not so much the sacrificing of people at issue in Jeremiah 7. It was the putting of sons and daughters 'in the fire' the Almighty God of love said 'had not come up into my heart.' Jer.7:31.

The grotesque practice of burning people is not something that is in God's heart to do. Nobody in their right mind would set light to anyone. Certainly no Christian. Would you?

Anyway, at death, a sinner is 'acquitted of their sin'. God says this at Romans 6:7. Are you trinitarians so removed from the truth that you no longer believe in a God of forgiveness? Do you not understand a sinner is 'acquitted of their sin' at death?

True Christians believe in a God of Love and forgiveness, not in a cruel heartless trinitarian deity.
---David8318 on 5/1/10


Who is God?
The only one, who can answer this for you, is God!
I believe when one truly open his heart to God, you will know!

Do Christians, Muslims, and Jew believe in the same god?
Is this important! Separation is only important, when you are important!
I can say I know its the same God. But youll say No, Its not!
Because we dont believe the same things!

Man has divide up God!
Even Christianity doesnt believe the same things!
So, you tell each other.
Therefore, youre God, religion and faith is false!
Give it up! Its useless!

But you dont see this as the work of devils, do you?
You say I am doing the work of God!

Who is important!
GodBlessed
---TheSeg on 5/1/10


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Pt 2 (Pt. 1 4/30/10)

A "few" will emerge from churches loosely based on the Scriptures, "Many" (which includes most of the "Christian" churches), will be eternally separated from the Father.

Isn't that hell enough?
---aka_joseph on 5/1/10


Lawrence and Leslie,of all the comments I read here,it seems that the two of you are the ones that are correct.I agree with both of you.
---Anthony on 5/1/10


Regarding sending people to burn in fire, God said was "a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Jeremiah 7:31.--David8318 on 4/30/10

Jer 7:30 "For the sons of Judah have done evil in my sight, declares the LORD. They have set their detestable things in the house that is called by my name, to defile it.
Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.

The two verses, which make a whole sentence, are talking about ritualistic sacrifices which God did not command. This passage has nothing to do with Hell.
---aka_joseph on 5/1/10


--Refer to all prior blog posts for who God is.
'The teaching of Hellfire and eternal damnation is not a Bible teaching.'
--Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
'Regarding sending people to burn in fire, God said was "a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Jeremiah 7:31.'
--This is where your body/spirit philosophy makes you read into things that just aren't there.
'In fact, when people die, the Bible says they are 'conscious of nothing at all'. Ecclesiastes 9:5.'
--Ecc 9:6 says all this is under the sun, but Ecc 3:21a Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward...
---micha9344 on 4/30/10


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Noway! There is only one God. To know Him is to Know Jesus. To know Jesus is to know God. Jesus preached more about hell than anyone in the Bible.....Note: There are Christians Jews.
---catherine on 4/30/10


Although some Jews did not accept Jesus Christ, they still believed in the same Heavenly Father as Christians. God the Father is the same for Jews or Christians.
---KarenD on 4/30/10


Cluny, ** Christians believe that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit**
Clunys and trinitarians believe this..Not Christians!
Christians believe that Jesus is the "only begotten Son"" of God and that Jesus HAS a Father (he is not his own father) nor is he (his own son) this is ludacris!!!
They had to manufacture a word (Homoosios) because there was none that made him "equal" to his Father!
Just like evolutionists ,make an assumption then build on it as if it was truth!!
---1st_cliff on 4/30/10


It doesn't matter if all those religions believe in God,the only one on the right track is the Christians because they believe in the Son of God,Jesus Christ,that he is the only begotten son of God,he was born of a virgin,preached on earth,healed the sick,did miracles,raised the dead,was crucified by the Romans,bled,died,and was buried in the tomb,and rose alive again and sits on the right hand of God and is alive for evermore For there is no other name under the heavens whereby men can be saved,but Jesus. We are told to pray to God in Jesus name and that is the only way we are are told we can touch God. Even Satan believes in God but that doesn't save him neither does belief in God save anyone else.
---Darlene_1 on 4/30/10


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I think that the Muslims believe they have the same God as the Jews.

Don't they say their God is the God of Abraham?

And their history goes back to then ... they are the descendants of Ishmael, and since he was the elder brother, they beleive they should be the true inheritors from Abraham.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/30/10


"Who is ['God']?" A', 4/30

I have a copy of Life Magazine, December 1990. The cover boldly asks, "WHO IS GOD?" That's where you begin A'. Find out who God is & everything else will fall into place. God says if you will earnestly seek Him, you will find Him. (Matt. 7:7-8)

It's not a matter of believing in God. Millions around the world believe in a god & /or gods. The real question is do people, regardless of religious beliefs, really believe God. (Ro. 10:17)

I pray you'll have the very best success in your quest for 'God'.:)
---Leon on 4/30/10


Assuming that the Jews got by the OT, then their God is the same, they just reject that the Christ has already come as Jesus.

About the Muslims, I took that they believe in the same God, but have very many errors in what they believe (very uncertain)
---peter3594 on 4/30/10


Christians and Jews believe in the same God.
---KarenD on 4/30/10

Technically...you could say a true Judahite and Christian believe in the same GOD. Judahites for the most part do not recognize his son, YAHSHUA.
John 11:52
And not for that nation only,(Judah) but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered (divorced nations of Israel) abroad. Witnessed by.
Ezekiel 34:5, 6, 12, 21, Eze 36:19, James 1:1 and many more.
And they were scattered
---Trav on 4/30/10


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Trinitarians believe God is Father, Son and HolySpirit.

The trinity was not and has never been a Bible teaching. Its origins are in Hellenic philosophy.

The trinitarian 'god' is very different to the God of Christ and his true Christian followers.

The teaching of Hellfire and eternal damnation is not a Bible teaching.

Regarding sending people to burn in fire, God said was "a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Jeremiah 7:31.

In fact, when people die, the Bible says they are 'conscious of nothing at all'. Ecclesiastes 9:5.
---David8318 on 4/30/10


Pt. 1
Actually, the first organized religion was Satanism (for Satan is highly organized) and the first man-made church (body) was first membered by Adam and Eve. They, at first, fellowshipped with God until they went and found religion. (see first sentence)

All man-made forms of religion and all forms of godliness fall short of the glory of the One True God in three different distinct beings: The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus' true church has been in the making since the A & E days too. There will be a few disciples from various churches that form Christ's church, but only thoose who Jesus recognizes...
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10


Cluny brings up an excellent point...I too thought Christians and Jewes have the same God, the Lord God of Israel.

But I guess if they reject Jesus, they're rejecting Father God too? I will tell you this...it totally grieves my heart to hear my Jewish neighbor mock God, laugh at me when I say I prayed for so and so. I can only imagine how God feels when he hears her...it breaks my heart so it must break his.

So Cluny....Let's say you go to someone's house and they receive you, but reject your son, does that mean they don't believe in you too? I'm not so sure....
---Donna5535 on 4/30/10


\\Christians and Jews have the same God - the ONE TRUE and ONLY God.\\

This is not true, Leslie.

Christians believe that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jews do not.

Therefore, Christians and Jews do NOT have the same god.
---Cluny on 4/30/10


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Sad to say, Karen, you are mistaken. Jesus told the Jews, "If they had known the Father, they would know Him." So, apparently, they don't know the True God. Maybe they have the same God, they just don't know Him.

The Jews of Israel still do not acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. Obviously, they have something wrong.
---Rod4Him on 4/30/10


Who is God? Jesus Christ Is The Living God John 10 v 30, 1st.Tim.3 v 16. The Lord, His Church was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 & they were first called Christians at Antioch. Whom most Jewish people rejects today.

The Man-made relig-org's churches Matt.15 v 9 & started here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 beginning with the rcc. Even the other Man-mades, the god of the muslams, buddha, hindu's etc they have NO heaven to look forward to. What they think is heaven is hell in disguise & they don't know it.
Heaven for God's people & hell for the devils people, those he has blinded.
---Lawrence on 4/30/10


Christians and Jews have the same God - the ONE TRUE and ONLY God. However Jews do not believe in Jesus as Messiah unless they are Messianic. Muslims worship a FALSE god, and from what the Koran (thier holy book) teaches, they are basicly a sect of Satanism (worshippers of Satan), because they have the same tenents (charactistics) as Satanism - to steal, kill, destroy, lie.
---Leslie on 4/30/10


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