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Who Was Cain's Wife

In Genesis 4:17, we are told 'Cain knew his wife' (this is after he killed Abel) Where did Cain get his wife? If we take that all are born of Adam and Eve, she must have been his sister.

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Cluny, why you imagine these verses say a day (to man) is a thousand years is beyond me.

The first clearly says God is outside of time. It does not say one day is anything other than a 24hrs.

The second is also referring to where eternal God stands in relation to time. It does not even say that a day is a thousand years, even to God.

I repeat, Scripture is God's word, not for God, but for man, describing things from man's perspective. The length of a day in Genesis 1 is clearly shown as an evening and morning, light and dark earth day.

Your stubborn refusal to accept creation day length is not for Biblical reasons-not a position of faith, and as Scripture says -that which is not of faith is of sin.
---Warwick on 5/7/10


Warwick: My comment may have sounded bad, but I meant it very well for you

Your comment about faith growing is completely true - I have found that with many things, it is just that creation was never one of the matters where I felt let to use my use my faith [to use something similar to your comment about used] for that particular matter, perhaps because I rarely am challenged about creation, while there are other matters more [I felt] needing a growth of my faith. Perhaps in other places that challenge is stronger - for me the main place for use [to strengthen] is temptation and being upset - but that's different for each person!

PLEASE remember - I have absolutely no desire to argue or dispute anything that you say
---peter3594 on 5/7/10


Cluny: Perhaps they don't teach English in Middle Earth, but "are like" and "is as" are NOT equivalent to "is" in English. A simile is NOT an identity.
---jerry6593 on 5/7/10


'like', the word is 'like'
'as', the word is 'as'
---micha9344 on 5/7/10


Too Trav: It is so sad when Christians stubbornly refuse to believe what is plainly written in His word.
---Warwick on 5/6/10

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
---Cluny on 5/6/10

It probably bothers me more when there is no witness scripture(s)to go along with this sadness. You may be sad for no reason. Cluny is not sad.
---Trav on 5/7/10




\\Trav nowhere in the whole of Scripture does it say one day is a thousand years, or any length of time, on earth, other than an ordinary earth-rotation day.\\

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
---Cluny on 5/6/10


Trav nowhere in the whole of Scripture does it say one day is a thousand years, or any length of time, on earth, other than an ordinary earth-rotation day.

Genesis 1 is God's revelation of creation, mostly about earth-based matters, and for our information. The days are obviously earth days. They cannot relate to God's day as He is eternal, therefore outside of time, having no days of any length.

That the Genesis 1 days are earth-days is proved by Exodus 20:8-11. Your reason for the rejection of 24hr days is not because of Scripture. It is so sad when Christians stubbornly refuse to believe what is plainly written in His word.
---Warwick on 5/6/10


Trav,
But you are special, right? You are one his witnesses, right? So you know who are not his witnesses, right? So you can judge others, right? I am going to hell. Right.
---atheist on 5/6/10

Special? I'm the worst witness pointing too witnesses since the beginning of witnesses.
Yes, I eventually know who are not his witnesses. If two witnesses/prophets/apostles in scripture do not verify what someone is saying....they cannot be.
In other words if two/more GOD chose state a thing it should come to pass, or be accurate in having come to pass as true.
Hell? Yesterday you were...I don't know GODs intent or acceptance of your repentance since. If even available. You do not go to GOD...he comes to you. Ask Esau.
---Trav on 5/6/10


Trav: If Warwick firmly believes that Gen 1 is literal, and he has the faith to follow that, may Warwick be happy in his faith
My faith is enough to suspect Warwick is correct, but not strong enough to be that certain.
---peter3594 on 5/6/10

Agreed. Atheist wrote this...not me. Warwick and I quit comparing notes. I'm probably more open minded that NO ONE can show, scripturally...either a thousand year day in Genesis or a 24 hour day. I'm comfortable with either. Pre Adam is not a scripture annuling factor. My scripture witnesses all say the same things. If two prophets oppose...that would be. They don't. They all agree. Even when faced in their time with the worst or total opposition from everyone. Kinda like now.
---Trav on 5/6/10


Peter, Scripture says God gives us "the measure of faith" Romans 12:3. It is up to us what we do with it. Faith is like muscles which grow if properly nourished and used, but atrophy if not fed or used.

God says "Faith comes by hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ" Romans 10:17.

2 Corinthians 5:7 "We live by faith, not by sight."

I continually read God's word, prayerfully, and it becomes clearer and clearer to me. Consequently human 'wisdon' pales.

I understand Genesis 1 because of faith, not unbelief. Neither do I try to interpret it through human philosophy. I take Genesis as histotical reality, just as written, as Jesus and the apostles did.
---Warwick on 5/6/10




Trav: If Warwick firmly believes that Gen 1 is literal, and he has the faith to follow that, may Warwick be happy in his faith

My faith is enough to suspect Warwick is correct, but not strong enough to be that certain

So I generally take it to be 24 hours, but would have no reason to argue with someone who disagrees - unless that person uses the difference to dispute any of the basic points of Genesis (universe created by God's word)
---peter3594 on 5/6/10


Trav,

But you are special, right? You are one his witnesses, right? So you know who are not his witnesses, right? So you can judge others, right? So you know I am going to hell. Right.
---atheist on 5/6/10


My logic is that people do what they want but cherry pick their 'scripture'... This is true for those of all faiths.
I think Warwick fixates on day length because of his rigorous obsession with a literal interpretation of the bible. I think he believes that his entire faith will collaspe if something like evolution appears to be true
There are no plain words in the bible, other than those with the meaning you provide...
---atheist on 5/5/10

I don't/won't cherry pick.

The reason your logic doesn't work...is because it's not mans logic in effect. GOD is above mans logic.
He does speak plainly...though his witnesses that most denoms/men don't want hear. They prefer "their" logic. Like you.
---Trav on 5/6/10


'atheist': "Jerry---you know nothing of evolution theory, do you?"

I know more about evolution than you know about God.

Actually, I studied evolution at the university, have my own hard-bound copy of Uncle Charley's Fables, and for years beleived it with all my heart. After all, how could all these esteemed scientists be so wrong? Years later, I studied the methods of radiometric dating in detail, and found that everything I had believed was totally wrong. I invite you to do the same.
---jerry6593 on 5/6/10


Atheist, isn't 'literal interpretation' an oxymoron?

In reality 'Christians' and others can only misuse Scripture in doing evil. Christ cannot be blamed for their actions. If you believe I am wrong supply the quote where Jesus commands evil!

Correct, if microbe-to-man evolution is fact, Scripture is wrong, and I am therefore still lost in sin. However evolution is not a fact. You have been asked to give proof but fail to do so.

Prof. Dawkins wrote a book "The Greatest Show on Earth: the evidence for evolution." Note he does not say 'proof' but evidence.

Dr Jonathan Sarfati's book "Greatest Show on Earth, Refuting Dawkin's on evolution", demolishes Dawkins beliefs. Get a copy
---Warwick on 5/5/10


Atheist, in a way you are right. I do defend creation day-length, because Genesis 1, Exodus 20:8-11 and Numbers 7:11-48 are explicit about the length of 7 days! Therefore the scoffers do not reject 24hr days for Biblical reasons and should be opposed. Experience shows their objection is because they have accepted the long-ages idea.

They therefore wittingly or unwittingly undermine the gospel's historical foundation, because the gospel is based upon Adam's sin bringing death into the world. The long-ages idea places death long before Adam. And they say it doesn't matter!

One said day-length was irrelevant to his faith. But would not accept them as written! Devious?
---Warwick on 5/5/10


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Leon, I posted, "From one blood God made Adam." Leon you replied falsely, "God didn't make Adam from blood." Thus I answered citing scripture, Leon, Just as the scripture declares, God indeed has made man with blood, which is evident when a person is cut they will bleed, just as beasts and birds also are made with blood. The Scripture reads: "For the life of the flesh in the blood. For the life of all flesh the blood thereof. God has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell upon all the face of the earth. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Yhwh come." Leviticus 17:11,14+ Acts 17:26+ Joel 2:31.
---Eloy on 5/5/10


Peter---My logic is that people do what they want but cherry pick their 'scripture' to justify their actions in the name of god and religion. This is true for those of all faiths.

I think Warwick fixates on day length because of his rigorous obsession with a literal interpretation of the bible. I think he believes that his entire faith will collaspe if something like evolution appears to be true.

My premise is that 'christians' use scripture to justify immoral acts---again I reference Hitler and add the Inquisitions and the treatment of Palestinians.

There are no plain words in the bible, other than those with the meaning you provide...

Jerry---you know nothing of evolution theory, do you?
---atheist on 5/5/10


Atheist: you commented 'cherry picking what they need, to justify any belief or action, moral and immoral'

That complaint is acceptable, BUT

Any person could do that, the person does not have to actually BE a Christian

So you can object about such people, but whatever you say, other Christians are not resonsible for the actions of people who 'cherry pick'
---peter3594 on 5/5/10


Eloy: You've jumped & veered way off track with your comments which have absolutely nothing to do with the the original question, i.e., "Where did Cain get his wife?". Get back on track & just maybe we can have a reasonable discussion.
---Leon on 5/5/10


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Warwick: Please note - my comment about the length of the day was not to argue with you - for I have ABSOLUTELY NO desire to do so, neither do I have any reason to.....

I only commented [somewhere] because I personally felt my faith was weak, and was asking for assistance from you, which you very kindly provided

Atheist: You are misinterpreting history, I think

You take it that, because some bad actions were carried out by people who were [nominally] Christians, it means that they carried out those bad actions BECAUSE they were Christians

That is a logic problem

It would mean that communism is automatically evil (Stalin, Mao), right wing is automatically evil (Hitler) being caucasian is evil (aboginies), etc
---peter3594 on 5/5/10


Atheist you claimed religious beliefs could be used for immoral purposes. I will hold your nose to that claim, as regards Christianity.

My question asked: How can Jesus teachings be used for immoral purposes?

My point is that in the commands of Jesus there is only the exhortation to live moral lives, centered on the love of God and of others. He being Creator is in a unique position to define moral. Neither you nor I are.

Your statement is therefore indefensibly wrong, as regards Christianity.

The lack of agreement upon day length does not stem from any lack of Scriptural evidence. Far from it. Those who disagree with the plain words of Scripture have nonBiblical reasons for doing so.
---Warwick on 5/5/10


Atheist I have no personal superiority over you and have never claimed so. Only the opposite. I am a sinner unworthy of God's favour, forgiven only because of Jesus' personal sacrifice, and my surrender. Anyone who genuinely asks the Lord for forgiveness will be forgiven. You can be forgiven today. I pray for that!

I would not be surprised if you are a moral man (more than me)-you still need God's forgiveness

I am thankful I live in a free country, free to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, be saved, worship Him and tell others the truth. Free because I live in a country with a Chrstian foundation.

The prospect of dealing with 72 virgins is terrifying. Can you imagine the squabbles? It's my turn, no it's not....
---Warwick on 5/5/10


Atheist: you seem to be over-using some comments from Warwick there....

You saw the comment about length of a day, but there are some things where people are allowed not to totally agree (I am not SURE about the length of the day BUT I know that all was created by God). The problem Warwick has is that he [very very logically] is concerned that people who do NOT believe God created everything may try to USE the 24 hours - I remember Warwick saying something similar

Christians are ALLOWED to have some differences (everyone does) AS LONG AS we all agree on the things that are important for our salvation. Other things, we can correct each other
---Peter3594 on 5/5/10


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'atheist': "I have repeatedly stated is that the religious can and do use god and scripture, cherry picking what they need, to justify any belief or action, moral and immoral."

And what sort of cherry picking of pseudo-morality does a theophobe like you do from his sin-soaked animalistic mind?

"Do unto your brother..." was sound advice/guidance. Yes, but not for a one who like you who seeks to improve his lot by the 'natural selection' of the fittest!
---jerry6593 on 5/5/10


I have repeatedly stated is that the religious can and do use god and scripture, cherry picking ...(who can't even garner agreement among other fellow christians...---atheist on 5/4/10

You are a weinie atheist. Cherry pickers can't deal with witnessing scripture. Neither can you. You don't want truth...you want substantiation for your situation. You want your way more than you want a truth. Any truth.
Know a truth. There can be no one sided opinion if two or more witnessing verses are used. Very little argument with the scriptures I've posted...you will see avoidance. Or stunned,replies. Two or more scriptures witnessing negate any current doctrine/denom. Revelation 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us,
---Trav on 5/5/10


Warwick,

I never claimed that Jesus commanded anyone to do anything. I have mentioned that, "Do unto your brother..." was sound advice/guidance.

I have repeatedly stated is that the religious can and do use god and scripture, cherry picking what they need, to justify any belief or action, moral and immoral.

You (who can't even garner agreement among other fellow christians as to how long a day was before there were days) of course claim superiority over me because you have basis for your moral beliefs, which is your scripture interpreted correctly only by you.

Born in another place, taught another scripture, you'd be saying the same things as you strapped a bomb to your chest in a quest for 72 virgins.
---atheist on 5/4/10


Leon, Just as the scripture declares, God indeed has made man with blood, which is evident when a person is cut they will bleed, just as beasts and birds also are made with blood. The Scripture reads: "For the life of the flesh in the blood. For the life of all flesh the blood thereof. God has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell upon all the face of the earth. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Yhwh come." Leviticus 17:11,14+ Acts 17:26+ Joel 2:31.
---Eloy on 5/4/10


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Atheist I can only imagine, and my imagination is very active, that your blog is in answer to my question. "what evil has Jesus commanded us to do?"

You seem to be suggesting that Hitler a sociopath who put Darwins 'survival of the fittest' philosophy into government policy, was carrying out Jesus' commands in attempting to anihilate the Jewish people.

This is offensive nonsense. You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, searching blindly for anything at all to support your insupportable claims.
---Warwick on 5/4/10


Warwick,
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, Gods truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. "---Adolf Hitler
---atheist on 5/4/10


Alan, Atheist did indeed say this. And he had made this false claim before. This is why I twice asked him to answer. As you know he has not answered. As he is so passionate about his nihilistic faith I am convinced he would answer if he had an answer. Therfore I believe he knows his claim is false. Better to avoid the question than lose face, I suppose.

Alan you miss the point. The question was:
"I asked (twice) what evil has Jesus commanded us to do?

Therefore your comments regarding the evil people do (in contradiction to Jesus' Commands) are not relevant to the question.

Do you suggest Jesus' Commands we burn heretics?
---Warwick on 5/4/10


You are senselessly babbling earl.

Cat': What Scripture do you base your "grandniece" comments on?
---Leon on 5/4/10


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Well, not necessarily. I want to thank You Jesus, I'll just keep on praising You even if noone is listening. AhhJesus....He could have married one of his niece or grandniece. That's right I said, grandniece. Why don"t you make something out of it? I had a crush on a cousin one time, when I was very young, a lot of people do as children. Don't mean we grow-up and marry them. How come? [As a matter of fact, makes me kinda sick thinking about it]. Back in Adam and Eve's day there were no mutant genes as there would be today. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 5/4/10


trav,
"Adamite tree relatives"?I do not believe the Adamites were tree dwellers.
Will you clarify?
---earl on 5/4/10

Family tree of Adam...
I should have said Adamic family tree perhaps. Adam and Israel are mentioned together.
Deuteronomy 32:8
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Did he have purpose? Yes. What kind of pot would I be to question the potters hand?
---Trav on 5/4/10


leon,
If the OT editors would not have forgotten to remove the word Nod so to not trace any history back to any others other than Adam and Eve then your story would seem reasonable.
---earl on 5/4/10


God didn't make Adam from blood. Rather, he made him from the dust of the ground. The Bible doesn't say God created more humans besides Adam & Eve. It does say Adam is the earthly father of us all, i.e., all of mankind descended from Adam. (1 Cor. 15:22, 45)
---Leon on 5/4/10

I agree Leon, but Trav doesn't believe that.
He thinks there were other beings here before God created Adam and Eve.
But the Bible doesn't say that, does it?
---miche3754 on 5/4/10


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I believe the Urantia Book to be historical fiction, the possible, but not very probable, history of the universe.
Many pages in the UB directly oppose the Bible.
Since I will believe the Bible in these areas over the UB, I see no reason to believe the UB where the Bible may be silent.
---micha9344 on 5/4/10


trav,
"Adamite tree relatives"?I do not believe the Adamites were tree dwellers.
Will you clarify?
---earl on 5/4/10


earl: The Bible is silent to you only because you don't want to hear it! (Romans 10:17)

Eloy: "Incest" became such (an unlawful sexual act) only when God said so. (Leviticus 18:1-18)

Regarding Cain's wife, I think you're saying God took a rib from Cain & made him a wife? Scripture please!

God didn't make Adam from blood. Rather, he made him from the dust of the ground. The Bible doesn't say God created more humans besides Adam & Eve. It does say Adam is the earthly father of us all, i.e., all of mankind descended from Adam. (1 Cor. 15:22, 45)
---Leon on 5/4/10


Trav, ... There is no mention in scripture that Cain married one of his sisters, .... God had mercy enough to mark Cain ....---Eloy on 5/3/10

Exactly. And if Cain's line was pertinent...it would be mentioned. What is not written speaks also. What is written is enough. He married a pre Adam creation woman. His line ends.
Noah, was perfect in his generations....implying his Adamite tree relatives were not. These relatives perished...Noah's lives. Other non related men live through the flood.....as well.
Gen 5:1 states this book is the generations of Adam.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
---Trav on 5/4/10


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micha,
I posted an answer the the bible is silent on.I believe the answer.You as a reader will have to measure the authenticity of what the UB authors revealed.I already did.
Everyone will decide within theirself,if they persue such, if the UB authors are for real.
What I see is that christianity wants to kick all other spiritual work introduced after christianity began that is God and spirit related to the curb when in fact christianity cannot provide a direct answer,only an asumption,theory or poorly grounded phiolosophy.It is a control issue in their ranks of authority.
---earl on 5/4/10


Trav you are right, the Bible is silent on this as it is obviously not relevant,...
However the point discussed here is there is no reason Cain could not have married a sister or a niece. ...---Warwick on 5/2/10

Well I wasn't implying it wasn't relevant...just hidden. A tracker/seeker can find enough pointing.
Adam would not have allowed a sister to marry cain. Would be noted. Cains tree ended scripturally. He was marked.
Leaving us with Nod-ites. There were other people....previously created perhaps as in Genesis 1. People have a problem with Adam being "special". GOD can do what he wants to...anytime he wants to. This book is about Adam and his generations it says so Gen 5:1.
---Trav on 5/4/10


\\Atheist you previously claimed that religion (Christian faith to us) gives people the right to do evil\\

I know why atheist would say this.

He thinks that OSAS, as popularly taught and understood, is a Christian teaching.

I can well understand how he got that misinformation, considering some of the posts here.

I went to the funeral of a young woman who had an affair with a married man, had an abortion, and died as a possible suicide.

The Baptist minister who had NEVER laid eyes on her stood by her open grave and said, "We know that Sally is in heaven because on such-and-such a date she walked down the aisle and gave her heart to Jesus at our church."
---Cluny on 5/4/10


Leon, No, when God created Cain's wife she was the same species as Cain, human. Blood comes from God, not Adam. From one blood God made Adam and told him to be fruitful and multiply, but his commandment to Adam does not negate nor prohibit God from continuing to create more humans or wives with the same one blood he used for Adam. As far as the curse upon the first humans, and also the additional curse upon Cain for murdering his brother, curses were forgiven and removed when the cursed repents back to the Lord. Before Jesus' birth payment for sin was accomplished through animal sacrifices to appease God. Again, there is no scripture supporting Cain incesting any of his sisters, nor after he killed their brother would they join with him.
---Eloy on 5/4/10


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Peter, The Bible does not highlight Cain's wife. The Bible only reads that Cain left God as a fugitive and a vagabond for murdering his brother, and he went and lived in the land of Nod, and Cain knew his wife and she conceived, and bore Enoch. That is all. There is no mention of incesting any sisters, nor whether Cain's wife was godly or ungodly: and since the Bible is silent on the details of Cain's wife, we can deduce that she was not extraordinary, not likened to Esther nor to Jezebel.
---Eloy on 5/4/10


Warwick ... You say to Atheist "religion (Christian faith to us) gives people the right to do evil".
I don't think he has said this.
Can you provide the quote?

What is true of course is that people are led by their interpretation of religion, or use religion, to do evil.

Looking back a few centuries, had evolutionary theory been about then, Creationist would have been burning heretic evolutionists at the stake (and in a neighbouring country, the reverse would be happening)
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/4/10


Atheist you previously claimed that religion (Christian faith to us) gives people the right to do evil.

I asked (twice) what evil has Jesus commanded us to do?

But unsurprisingly no answer. No answer means you have no answer, being aware that your claim is dishonest!

Of course you can prove me wrong by answering. But why break a habit of long standing, by answering?
---Warwick on 5/3/10


Where does the UB get it's answers?
Don't we post information for others to believe?
If you did not believe your post, would you not have posted it?
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


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micha
,Who is asking you,refering to the UB, to believe in anything.That is your choice.However, the bible is silent.
---earl on 5/3/10


and we should believe the urantia book why?
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


Genesis. Cain killed Abel. The Bible doesn't say that Abel had offspring. 5:4 says that Adam "begot sons and daughters", If not referring to grandchildren, etc., then Adam had at least - three sons and two daughters. The two lines of men mentioned are through Cain, 4:17 and Seth, 5:6. Only Eve was taken from a rib (2:2), and so - the probabilities are that one of them married a sister, and that his brother married a widowed sister, another sister, or a niece, grand niece, etc. Note: Genesis 6:2,4, 1Corinthians 7:15, 2Corinthians 6:14-18.
---Glenn on 5/3/10


The Urantia Book states Cain,an Adamite, married Remona, a Nodite, not an Adamite as Cain was.
Adam and Eve were not the origins of humanity but contributors to it.It is unfortunate that some people long ago have disturbed and destroyed the history they knew and manufactured an alternate ,more colorful history and claimed it as truth.
---earl on 5/3/10


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Eloy: If God had spoke a wife for Cain into existence, wouldn't she have been an all together different version of mankind? Since she wouldn't have come from Adam, would she have also received the curse of Adam's sin upon all of mankind?

There were others ("every one"), besides A & E, living when Cain slew Abel. (G4:14) Unlike Adam, who was "alone" when God decided to make Eve, Cain was living in a community with his parents & other siblings.

Scripture indicates "every one" of his siblings (except for Abel) were female until Seth was born. So, Cain would've had ample opportunity to take a sister-wife with him to the land of Nod (wandering) where he established his own community.
---Leon on 5/3/10


Trav, Cain murdered his righteous brother, and therefore his family was not as close to him as before he killed his brother. And Cain also said that the others might kill him to avenge his brother. There is no mention in scripture that Cain married one of his sisters, nor that he left Eden together with any of his sisters to live in the land of Nod. The Scripture tells us that the Lord God Jesus is the Creator who creates all things, and that he has mercy. Now since Cain had a wife, it is obvious that God must have made one for him, for God had mercy enough to mark Cain to preserve his life from others killing him, and so he can also be merciful enough to make a wife for him while he was a fugitive and vagabond in the earth.
---Eloy on 5/3/10


Cluny, Asking for more evidence again when I already posted it? I have posted that Jesus creates things by his word. Cain's wife came from God, just as all creation comes from the Creator. After Cain told God how that after he was sentenced to be a fugitive and a vagabond that others who would see him would kill him to avenge Abel, the Lord had mercy on him and marked Cain so others would not kill him also. And after God marked Cain we read that he went and lived in the land of Nod and he had a son by his wife, named Enoch. "You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created All Things, and for your pleasure they are and were created." Revelation 4:1.
---Eloy on 5/3/10


Leon, it may be better to say it is the only possibility within the limitations of human thining, and knowledge.

My main interest in this issue is because 'scoffers' attempt to create doubt in the Truth of God's word. They say: as we are forbidden to marry sisters, Cain had no one to marry. Therefore the whole story falls apart before it gets going. Their reasoning is false as we cannot apply our current situation to the events of Genesis. Then sibling procreation was neither forbidden nor dangerous, genetically speaking.

Today scientists talk of genetic load because of the massive number of errors in the human genome. Some wonder how we will survive for the next 100 years.

Thinking Biblically maybe we don't have to!
---Warwick on 5/3/10


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Abraham married his half-sister.
Abraham's brother, Nahor married his niece.
Makes ya wonder who Noah's grandsons married.
---Micha9344 on 5/2/10


Warwick, "of course" it's possible Cain took to wife a sister! That's the "only possibility":

Here's the problem with your "later brother", niece theory. The Bible says the very next male child born to Adam & Eve, after Abel, was Seth. (G4:25) There's your time scale. :)

Seth wasn't even born when Cain (probably a teenager) slew Abel! It's very unlikely Cain (the impulsive, impatient, wandering, rebel outcast) would've waited an untold number of years to take as wife one of Seth's daughters. No!

Cain took to wife a younger or "older" (?:) sister closer to his own age. Yes!
---Leon on 5/2/10


Trav you are right, the Bible is silent on this as it is obviously not relevant, or important to God's revelation. Less than a side issue.

However the point discussed here is there is no reason Cain could not have married a sister or a niece. There are those scoffers who would have us believe that there was no possible mate for Cain, therefore they say the Biblical story falls apart. But it doesn't.
---Warwick on 5/2/10


Just confirming the nature of God through His word and, in the Hebrews passages (inc. 6:17), His oath, in that He cannot lie, therefore, His Word is Truth(John 17:17).
I understand, of course, that it is not His Word that is in question, but our interpretation thereof.
---micha9344 on 5/2/10


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On the basis of the Biblical data itself, there is nothing to support anything other than Cain married a sister or a niece.

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Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
---micha9344 on 5/1/10\\

micha9344, what does this passage have to do with the subject of where Cain got his wife?
---Cluny on 5/2/10


Eloy, of course Jesus could have done anything but nowhere is there even a hint that He created a special wife for Cain.

That Cain married a sister or niece is a reasonable deduction, as there is nothing to forbid him to do so. Jesus did not need to do special creation for him.
---Warwick on 5/1/10

Nor is there a hint it was a sister or niece. It would have been mentioned. Since the Bible is written about Adam's line. Any attached line (unproductive/limb) is noted and shown ending on the family tree to Christ.
What is written is enough, for the seeker to understand that it is through Abraham,Isaac, Jacob that covenants are fulfilled and the line continues.
---Trav on 5/2/10


Eloy, of course Jesus could have done anything but nowhere is there even a hint that He created a special wife for Cain.

That Cain married a sister or niece is a reasonable deduction, as there is nothing to forbid him to do so. Jesus did not need to do special creation for him.
---Warwick on 5/1/10


Leon, as far as I remember there is no time scale mentioned here. So it is possible a later brother married and Cain married one of their offspring. They lived long enough to do so.

Of course it is just as possible, and then permissable, that He married one of his sisters.

This question is often posed by people who wish to show the Bible is wrong. Their thinking being: as we cannot marry a sister today then neither could Cain. Faulty reasoning.
---Warwick on 5/1/10


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\\And if Jesus made a wife from Adam's rib, and Adam was able to marry his own rib bone, then who is to say that Jesus Almighty cannot create one, two, three, or more wives by his word?\\

Please show the Biblical evidence that God created human beings twice, as you are claiming.
---Cluny on 5/1/10


who is to say that Jesus Almighty cannot create one, two, three, or more wives by his word?
---Eloy on 5/1/10
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
---micha9344 on 5/1/10


The Bible does not say anywhere that Cain married his sister, instead we read, "by the word of God, things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3. Therefore God can easily make a wife for Cain by his word. And if Jesus made a wife from Adam's rib, and Adam was able to marry his own rib bone, then who is to say that Jesus Almighty cannot create one, two, three, or more wives by his word?
---Eloy on 5/1/10


"...his sister or niece." Warwick, 4/30

If a niece, his wife would've had to be the daughter of his younger brother, Abel or perhaps an older sister or brother's child.
---Leon on 5/1/10


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Warwick, where in the bible does it forbid a brother from marrying his sister because of genetic copying errors. And why didn't god make a few hundred other people with slightly different genetics to avoid such problems. He must have had the h=whole thing worked out. And couldn't have fixed the copying errors. If he invented the whole genetic thing why could he fix it?
---atheist on 5/1/10


Thank, you all!

It was just that in Genesis it is not clear, so I thought I'd bounce that off you.

Warwick is right, it could be his sister or his neice, but we are not given any evidence there were other people on earth, so it appears obvious

I just, when I realised that, felt that maybe I'd missed something in my reasoning, so I wrote that to check with you
---peter3594 on 5/1/10


Cain married one of his sisters, as his father Adam had many, many children. Cain had to marry his sister because it was part of God's plan to populate the world before the flood.
---Gene on 4/30/10


Richard I believe you are correct. We are forbidden to marry close relatives because God has commanded us not to do so, because we carry many genetic copying errors within our bodies. The result of thousands of years of the curse. Therefore our siblings and close relatives will most likely carry the same errors as we, making significant problems, such as serious deformities, almost a certainty.

I believe there are about 3,600 genetic problems within the human genome, today.

Cain could marry a close relative as God did not forbid such close marriage until about 1600 years later, when He deemed such practices were now fraught with danger because of the build up of copying errors.

God is great!
---Warwick on 4/30/10


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it was ok to do this..because Adam had not long fallen so the "gene-pool"if you like had not broken down(devolution)to the state where genetic disease or maybe the free radicals from the suns-rays(that came after the flood,when the earth lost it`s vapour layer),man was also still a vegetarian..in short God was in control,He has always controlled "times and seasons" just as He confused the language at the tower of Babel..the interesting thing is the writer of Genesis knew nothing about the "science" of genetics for instance,yet wrote by God`s inspiration!
---richard on 4/30/10


We all came from Adam and therefore carry "original sin"...if Cain`s wife came from outside stock, there would have to be a people on the earth not tainted by the events in the garden...then again where would this womans people come from? there has to be a beginning, and Adam was it.
---richard on 4/30/10


Who was Cain's wife? Logically his sister or neice.
---Warwick on 4/30/10


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