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micha9344: The scriptures you gave serve to prove that the soul is not the "spirit", since the two can be divided. If our interpretations of scripture do not line up with ALL other scripture, then we have the wrong interpretation.
---jerry6593 on 5/12/10


1The 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit...and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth, I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen, my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
---micha9344 on 5/10/10


Mat 11:22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
Mat 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mark 3:29b blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
---micha9344 on 5/8/10


micha9344: 1 Pet 4:5 shows that the context is the soon-coming judgement of both the living (quick) and the dead. 1 Pet 4:6 states that those that are now dead had had (past tense) the gospel preached to them as well as to those currently living. There is nothing to suggest that the preaching was done while the people were dead. Besides, such a meaning contradicts other scripture, and is thus not correct.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Act 2:29,34 .... David .... is both dead and buried .... David is not ascended into the heavens
---jerry6593 on 5/8/10


Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Romans 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin, but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
---micha9344 on 5/7/10




Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Wages of sin is DEATH, not ETERNAL LIFE in fire

eternal life is only promised to the saved, not to the danmed.
---francis on 5/7/10


'(2) destroys Satan and his angels - Satan is not in charge.--jerry6593 on 5/7/10'--francis on 5/7/10
-Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
'The teaching which portrays God as sending people to burn for the rest of eternity in a hellfire is assassination of God's character...'--David8318 on 5/7/10
-Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
---micha9344 on 5/7/10


The teaching which portrays God as sending people to burn for the rest of eternity in a hellfire is assassination of God's character of 'love' by false religion. (1 John 4:8)

Regarding the 'burning of people' in any sort of condition is "a thing that I (God) had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Jeremiah 7:31

It is not in God's nature or 'heart' to punish people eternally in such a cruel, grotesque manner. God does not hold eternal grudges. (Lev.19:18)

Everlasting life is a gift, not a punishment. (Romans 6:23)

The false doctrine of hellfire was introduced by the RCC as a means to control people and to extort money from the needy in their time of bereavement.
---David8318 on 5/7/10


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

HELL IS COMPARED TO THE FIRE OF SODOM.

last time I check, the fire in Sodom and Gomorrha had gone out. The results of the fire howeever, was eternal.
---francis on 5/7/10


THIS IS SOUND DOCTRINE. If space were allowed i am sure all text would be posted.

All in all very sound biblical doctrine:

The biblical view of hell is the grave, with no one being tortured there. The only burning punishment of the wicked found in the Bible is the lake of fire which occurs:

(1) on the earth's surface - not under it,

(2) occurs after the mellineal reign in heaven - not when you die,

(2) destroys Satan and his angels - Satan is not in charge.
---jerry6593 on 5/7/10
---francis on 5/7/10




#2 //The biblical view of hell is the grave, with no one being tortured there. The only burning punishment of the wicked found in the Bible is the lake of fire which occurs:

(1) on the earth's surface - not under it, (Agreed)

(2) occurs after the mellineal [sic] reign in heaven - not when you die, (Agreed)

(2) [sic] destroys Satan and his angels - Satan is not in charge. (I used to believe in the trash can theory, but Jesus Christ said everlasting. So, I believe. Now, I do believe in hyperbole, but I can find no reason to believe otherwise, especially when there is a cult that is hell-bent on denying it.)
---aka_joseph on 5/7/10


Well may i ask one more question?

where did men like Abel, Adam, Seth, Enos, Enoch, Noah, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Lamech, and possible Job go when they die, seeing that there was not yet an " abraham bosom?"
---francis on 5/7/10


#1 If you read my two posts, they are about eternal suffering via separation from the presence of God (wouldnt that be torturous in itself without fire) and the quote from Ecclesiastes, which addresses man on Earth not the afterlife. (Any quote from the Bible should taken in context with the paragraph around it first).

I do believe in metaphor, simile, and hyperbole. Your questions to Cluny are funny at best. Abraham bosom meaning literally a chest? How about, that is where the heart is? With one drop of the Everlasting water, how much does one need? That is the great thing about Jesus Christ, His truth is foolishness to people that cannot see it...
---aka_joseph on 5/7/10


Cluny:

(1) How is it that the bosom of Abraham is large enough to hold all the righteous dead, and what about the conflict with all the other biblical descriptions of heaven that don't mention a bosom?

(2) How is open communication between heaven and hell possible.

(3) How is physical contact between heaven and hell possible - particularly in view of the contaminating character of sin?

(4) How does a single drop of water quench a burning thirst?

Start explaining and stop ducking.
---jerry6593 on 5/7/10


aka: The biblical view of hell is the grave, with no one being tortured there. The only burning punishment of the wicked found in the Bible is the lake of fire which occurs:

(1) on the earth's surface - not under it,

(2) occurs after the mellineal reign in heaven - not when you die,

(2) destroys Satan and his angels - Satan is not in charge.
---jerry6593 on 5/7/10


jerry, since I don't believe it's a parable, but describing an actual event, I don't have to explain anything.

Only if YOU believe it's a parable do you have to explain the details.
---Cluny on 5/6/10


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Cluny: There are many parables in the Bible that aren't defined as parables. But that still doesn't explain the 4 problems with the one you brought up. Start explaining and stop ducking.
---jerry6593 on 5/6/10


John 8:51-54 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets, and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me, of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
---micha9344 on 5/5/10


Abraham is dead.

No one has yet ascended into heaven. So do you still believe that the Lazarus story is not a parable? The day will come when the dead in christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with them. This is the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 5/5/10


Samuel, I did not say this question is an attack on Jesus Christ. However, a few days ago, in another blog, there was a "roundabout" attack on biblically based thoughts of Jesus as the Christ.

What I did say was that this question is the second wave of "attacks" against the One true Father and His Son via the biblical view of hell.

You (pl) can intellectually discuss anything that you want, but there is a spiritual battle for the heart that begins in the head or intellect.

Just ignore me if you wish...say that I am falsely accusing if you want. I was the second one to respond and never got an answer, but then I started to see those familiar verses that _________ uses to deny the truth of the Word.
---aka_joseph on 5/5/10


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Donna5535, we are all pathetic figures before a Holy God and Atheist differs in his hard heartedness and self-imposed death sentence. We must pray for his salvation.
God can turn him.

Notice how from week to week his race from reality and self-reflection increases in pace? Running too fast for a conversation with the man in the mirror?

This is common for the rebellious who realize the emptiness of their self-imposed journey but are stuck at the door of contrition.

God bless you Donna, both you and Donna66 are wonderful reads.
---larry on 5/5/10


In no way does this question attack JESUS CHRIST. That is a false accusation.

It should lead to a discussion of the concept of hell as taught in churches and what the bible really teaches and says.

To read the bible and search what it says should be how we find truth. Not by just following what we think.

For instance the majority of churches say we have an immortal soul that even GOD cannot or will not kill. But it never says this in the bible.
---Samuel on 5/5/10


People, this is a leading question. First attacked is the biblical concept of "Christ", then the biblical concept of hell is attacked. Job 14:12-15 was Solomon talking about life and death on earth and not the after life.

2 John 1:9-11 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed [i.e., God bless you] is partaker of his evil deeds.

It is easy to know the next move just google _______ cult heresy. Like Cluny said, Satan is looking for company.
---aka_joseph on 5/5/10


Luke 8:10-11 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables, that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Tell us, jerry6593, what does the Lazarus parable mean? If, in fact, it is a parable.
Who is the rich man?, Lazarus?
What is Abraham's bosom?, hell?
Why does not Lazarus speak?
What do the gate, crumbs, table, linen, sores, angels, and dogs each signify?
Jesus' parable all had significance, the people, places, things, and actions all meant something.
This looks more like an account than a parable, allbeit has some representations to it, Abraham's bosom, for example.
---micha9344 on 5/5/10


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\\Cluny: If you take the position that the PARABLE of the rich man and Lazarus is literal, then you have some serious explaining to do.\\

Actually, nowhere is this identified as a Parable.

Parables are always clearly identified as such with such forumlae as "The Lord told this parable.....".
---Cluny on 5/5/10


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Who told that to this fellow?
"I have seen all the works that are done under the sun, and, behold,"
"I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo"
"And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: "
Seems like he reasoned the such, as opposed to it being revealed to him...
---Nana on 5/5/10


"My problem with rev. is words like "soon" Rev.1.1 and "time is near" Rev.1.3.!
---1st_cliff on 5/4/10"
"Soon" can be more clearly translated as "Suddenly" (denoting the quickness or speed in which the events, once initiated, will take place).
"The time is near" can be better understood as "That [set] time is 'imminent' " (as in certain, ineluctable, inevitable, or unavoidable).
---joseph on 5/5/10


Donna: "be careful who you believe jerry"

Good advice for us all!

God said: "thou shalt surely die." - Gen 2:17

Satan said: "Ye shall not surely die:" - Gen 3:4

Now I ask you, Donna: Who do you believe - God or Satan?

Or do you believe that the book of Genesis, like the book of Job, is not the inspired Word of God?
---jerry6593 on 5/5/10


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Cluny: If you take the position that the PARABLE of the rich man and Lazarus is literal, then you have some serious explaining to do.

(1) How is it that the bosom of Abraham is large enough to hold all the righteous dead, and what about the conflict with all the other biblical descriptions of heaven that don't mention a bosom?

(2) How is open communication between heaven and hell possible.

(3) How is physical contact between heaven and hell possible - particularly in view of the contaminating character of sin?

(4) How does a single drop of water quench a burning thirst?

... to name a few.
---jerry6593 on 5/5/10


Revelation is always a hard book to completely understand, but it indicates that hell is in the future
---peter3594 on 5/5/10


Yes, in a manner, weeping a nashing or teeth, another no brainer, but a good question. I assume you are a new believer ?! Good, very good, amen !!
---michael on 5/4/10


\\Is anyone currently being tortured in hell?
NO. no one is in hell right now.\\

Not according to Jesus.

22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried,

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Read the whole story in Luke 16.
---Cluny on 5/4/10


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1st_cliff: "Prophecy is future not present! Very little of Rev. is "literal""

On the contrary, Revelation is literal only we, as end time believers who are highly educated, cannot see what John has described.

Like when ten different children see the same cloud in the sky, but describe it ten different ways.

Or when ten different artists see the same tree, but paint it ten different ways.

John decribed the world two thousand years in the future using only the language they had at that time. How would John describe a helicopter? Maybe like a child who sees one for the very first time.
---Steveng on 5/4/10


Cluny, Did john "actually" see a dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns..etc..etc.???
He apparently had this one big vision.. Rev .1.1 "theses are the things that must soon take place"
Prophecy is future not present! Very little of Rev. is "literal"

My problem with rev. is words like "soon" Rev.1.1 and "time is near" Rev.1.3.!
---1st_cliff on 5/4/10


Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

These are the ones who were slain during the Tribulation, I believe.
Like the blood of the sacrifices under the ancient altar in the tabernacle (Leviticus 4:18), the souls of those new believers slain in these early years of the tribulation are seen as under the altar in the heavenly tabernacle (Hebrews 9:2-9).
---a_friend on 5/4/10


---jerry6593 on 5/4/10 the scripture in Job 14 that you quoted was Job speaking, not Jesus. It's what Jesus says about heaven and hell that's what we need to follow, not what Job said, amen?

Remember in Job Chapter 42, Job said, I thought I knew thee, but realize now I don't.

Plus Job also said, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away." That was a lie...the Lord didn't take anything away from Job, satan took it from him. The Thief cometh to steal, kill and destroy...be careful who you believe jerry....amen?
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


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Is anyone currently being tortured in hell?
NO. no one is in hell right now.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

day of judgment has not yet been completed:
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
---francis on 5/4/10


Souls under the alter is used n the same figurative manner as Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Surely hisbllod was not literally crying
Surely the souls are not literally under an alter in hevaen.

Do you really believe that people go to heaven and live UNDER AN ALTAR?
---francis on 5/4/10


\\Cluny, Let me explain how John saw those souls crying out... it was a "vision" , you know , like a dream, they were not "actually" alive!
---1st_cliff on 5/4/10\\

Oh, you're saying he saw something that does NOT correspond with reality.

In other words, he did NOT see the souls under the altar.

Do I understand you right?
---Cluny on 5/4/10


atheist
I thought I had heard about a holiday for the atheist unbelievers Of God & I did, it's Apr.1st. Psa. 14 v 1.
---Lawrence on 5/4/10


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Donna: "There are people on this board who believe that when a Christian dies, they go to sleep until the resurrection...which means they are separated from Jesus for a period..."

Yep! The Word of God says:

Job 14:12-15 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
---jerry6593 on 5/4/10


Cluny, Let me explain how John saw those souls crying out... it was a "vision" , you know , like a dream, they were not "actually" alive!
---1st_cliff on 5/4/10


micha,
So you believe it is good to have a vengeful God to exercise torture on his children,hopefully not yourself, he created at the same time God teaches mankind to be like him,hopefully like yourself.?
It seems here there is a conflict in teaching values.
I perfer the the newer teaching that God is not a vengeful God who only resurects the righteous only .This puts God's teaching into perspective.Above all else this examplifies God as a good God.
---earl on 5/4/10


Nah 1:2 God [is] jealous, and the LORD revengeth, the LORD revengeth, and [is] furious, the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth [wrath] for his enemies.
Psa 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
Mic 5:15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.
Rom 3:5-6 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [Is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? ... God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


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\\The living know that they must die: but the dead are conscious of nothing at all. The dead do not praise the LORD.\\

Then how do you explain Revelation 7:9ff--with the SOULS of those slain for Jesus under the altar, crying out for vengeance, and being told to be patient a little while longer?

How can those who are unconscious--or even non-existent, as some falsely claim--do so?
---Cluny on 5/3/10


The living know that they must die: but the dead are conscious of nothing at all. The dead do not praise the LORD. The dead have no memory of you. The dead can neither love nor hate nor gnash their teeth. There is no work, no devising, no knowledge, no wisdom in the grave. The thoughts of the dead perish.

But at the last sound of the trumpet, which is the first resurrection, the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with them. The second Resurrection is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ where all the other dead will rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their work.

Thousands of christians die every day, but where do we see the living being caught up with them?
---Steveng on 5/3/10


I find it strange that these "God-defamers" point to the Rich man and Lazarus parable as their only "proof"!
1st. This parable is only supported by one bible writer(a Greek non-apostle) who quotes Jesus whom he never met.
2nd Bible criteria is "at the mouths of 2 or more witnesses" a matter will be established!
---1st_cliff on 5/3/10


Donna,

Come on now...

After reading all the disjointed bible quotes I would think you'd be able to interprete my sentence to read

Why would anyone believe in a religion WITH A GOD LIKE THAT?

Got it now?
---atheist on 5/3/10


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Donna,
To biblicaly bring someone back to life to see that they are tortured as a payback in my observation is revenge.I believe that millions will come to know their Father God if he is not viewed as that kind of Father.
A real God does not entertain revenge,just as he teaches mortal fathers not to have.Or is he a do as I say not as I do kind of Father?
---earl on 5/3/10


atheist. top and bottom line is Every knee shall bow before the King of Kings Jesus Christ, even if they don't believe, and that inclues you..Like it or not!!!

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
---a_friend on 5/3/10


Atheist, tell us all, why are you still here?

You are here because your soul is already tortured as you attempt to live a life of peace without purpose. Its not possible.

Hell represents distance from God, the ultimate distance and therefore no release from pain and emptiness, torture and war, all attributes of distance from God. A suggestion of no torture in hell is a lie straight from the pit and the Father of lies. Its a fool's errand.

There is no argument to win. Stop.
---larry on 5/3/10


As he has stated before, why would anyone believe in such a religion?
---atheist on 5/3/10

athiest, HERE'S your problem right in this statement.

You think God is a religion. You need to get the book, the bible for dummies...LOL.

You are such a crack pot, it isn't funny.

You think God is a religion now do you? Guess what? He's NOT!!!!! Guess again athiest!!!
---Donna5535 on 5/3/10


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Love your straight talk Donna! You're right on with what the Bible says. I too believe as you do -- "what the Bible says".
---Leon on 5/3/10


Donna:"With that said, when an evil person dies, do they go straight to hell or do they stay asleep until the great white throne judgement day?"

Assuming that 'god' does maintain such a place think about this. You burn your finger on a pot for a second. That's the time between now and "judgement day". You are covered in gasoline and set afire and feel the pain of being on fire for a day. That's eternity. Does that one second really matter?

And again is 'god' so sadistic as to allow such a thing to happen. Even my evolution nemisis, Jerry, cannot imagine such a saidistic 'god'...As he has stated before, why would anyone believe in such a religion?
---atheist on 5/3/10


jerry, I haven't visited the place, and hope NEVER to, so I don't know, but what else is there to do in Hell but be tortured? Surely not walking on streets of gold, fellowshiping? noting good, right?

P.S. There are people on this board who believe that when a Christian dies, they go to sleep until the resurrection...which means they are separated from Jesus for a period...I do not believe that....I believe our body goes to the grave and our spirit goes to heaven. At the resurrection, our body is united back to our spirit.

With that said, when an evil person dies, do they go straight to hell or do they stay asleep until the great white throne judgement day? and then go to hell?
---Donna5535 on 5/3/10


atheist, Hell is not imaginary.

Without God's mercy, you will find out that for yourself, but it might be too late.
---Cluny on 5/3/10


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Cluny,

I hardly think that arguing whether or not people are being tortured in an imaginary place by an imaginary god is really an adult discussion.
---atheist on 5/2/10


Jerry6593 Yes. Hell as in "extreme anguish of body or mind" Is happening to someone, somewhere, everyday, in this life, for a variety of external and/or internal causes.
That "torturous hell" will be mentally/emotionally intensified beyond our ability to currently comprehend when those who refuse the loving salvation of the Father recognizes their impending loss of both life and joy unspeakable.
Having received insight into the beauty of what the Father has prepared for man, they will find themselves having no place there simply due to their willful, blatant unbelief. Intensified farther by the realization of the reality that salvation was simply a matter of willingly submitting themselves to the Lordship of Christ.
---joseph on 5/3/10


many believers just cant bring themselves to admitt that God has eternal torment for those who follow satan,their favorite statement is a loving God would never torture anyone forever. What they seem to forget is God doesn,t,those in hell are there because of their choices,their actions,their iniquities.
---tom2 on 5/3/10


Yes...truly we are taught by false teachings that the unsaved will tortured for-ever in hell. check out all verses which contain Hell in the bible. Hell means death, pit, destruction. If you understand Romans 6:23 that the wages of sin is death. Death is enough payment of the wicked. God does not rejoice to see punishment of the wicked. If you see 1 Cor. 15:16 (The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.) Death will be thrown in the lake of fire too...Rev. 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. this second death is the eternal fire that will burn the world in October 21, 2011. then finished.
---rosalie on 5/3/10


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No. Hell is hades/sheol the grave. no torture. when God gets rid of wickedness he will get rid of them forever.No eternal torture. it came from mythology,pagan & the RCC.
---candice on 5/2/10 Candice, what about the rich man in Jesus' story in Luke 61:19-31? Or do you think that was only a parable? In none of His other parables did Jesus use a person's name. This passage said that the rich man woke up in hell and was in torment. Now was he in "hades/sheol" or Gehenna? I believe this was a literal story of real people, and that their souls were where Jesus said they were, and I don't think that makes God "un-loving" or cruel since He has continually warned people of the dangers of rejecting salvation.
---tommy3007 on 5/3/10


Cluny: "The teaching of the annihilation of the wicked is from Satan"

Tell that to God:

Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.

Mal 4:1-3 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. .... and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
---jerry6593 on 5/3/10


Yes, the rich man would sure tell you. Luke 16 v 24.
---Lawrence on 5/3/10


\\No. Hell is hades/sheol the grave. no torture. when God gets rid of wickedness he will get rid of them forever.No eternal torture. it came from mythology,pagan & the RCC.
---candice on 5/2/10\\

Greek carefully distinguises between sheol/hades (the abode of the dead) and gehenna (place of eternal torment) even if many English Bibles and speakers of English do not.

The teaching of the annihilation of the wicked is from Satan who is looking for company where he's going.
---Cluny on 5/2/10


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The answer is YES, all who's in there! Jesus in effect said, "Do you want to know what hell is like? Look at Gehenna". So hell may be described as God's "cosmic garbage dump. All that is infit for heaven will be thrown into hell.... The name Gehenna is used only by Jesus, with the exception of James 12 times. It is used with "fire", as "hell fire". Hell is described as a place where "their worm does not die and the fire is never quenched. Repeatedly Jesus spoke of outer darkness and a furnace of fire, where there will be wailing, weeping, and gnashing of teeth. A couple of Scriptures>>>Mark 9:46 and 48]
---catherine on 5/2/10


God is just honoring their wishes, complete seperation from Him and His Earthly creation, resulting in total darkness and isolation from anything good. They are torturing themselves as in weeping and gnashing of teeth.
---micha9344 on 5/2/10


Atheist, Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
---a_friend on 5/2/10


Proverbs 9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell. Proverbs 7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death. Psalms 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow. Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Psalms 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
---a_friend on 5/2/10


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Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Note: DEATH AND HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM. If there was not any in hell before the Judgement, then why does it say there is?
---a_friend on 5/2/10


No. Hell is hades/sheol the grave. no torture. when God gets rid of wickedness he will get rid of them forever.No eternal torture. it came from mythology,pagan & the RCC.
---candice on 5/2/10


\\Jerry, No one is tortured in "hell" (Sheol/hades) the common grave of mankind!\\

Sheol and hades are NOT synonyms of Gehenna.

(This is one reason why I avoid using the terms hades and hell in my liturgical translations, they have become confused and even trivialized in modern culture.)

The principal torment of Gehenna is the knowledge that by one's own actions he freely chose to be separated from God and His love--but nevertheless will never be cease to be loved by Him Whom he hates.

atheist, you have a rather puerile view of hell. If you can't understand adult subjects, don't join in their discussion.
---Cluny on 5/2/10


NO!!!
Only one is predestined to hell and that is Satan,which hasn't happened yet.
Gabby7687
---Gabby7687 on 5/2/10


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Currently, no.

The cost of oil is much too high. That is is why god supports liberal efforts to develop alternative sources of energy, such as solar. Also, god supports efforts to end pollution and global warming, since he doesn't want earth to become the equivalent of hell. If this were to happen, people would have no reason to fear hell since they were already born into it.

Given conditions on some parts of the earth, without the torture, hell is at least temporarily a better place to live. Heaven is dark, lacking enery efficient light bulbs, and heating and cooling has been cut way back. Not so good either.
---atheist on 5/2/10


With all respect, this question sounds leading. If you tell me there is no eternal place of suffering, then the conversation is over. So, please,tell me. Do you think there is a prepared place of eternal separation from God?
---aka_joseph on 5/2/10


Jerry, No one is tortured in "hell" (Sheol/hades) the common grave of mankind!
God is not a "torturer" only in the minds of the demented God-defamers!
---1st_cliff on 5/2/10


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