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Explain The Holy Spirit

Which is true, a, b, c, d, or e?
a) The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father?
b) The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son?
c) The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son?
d) The Holy Spirit is not a Person?
e) Can't know, and doesn't matter?
f) Other

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Go back-Hebrew-origin.
This is a perfect example of Greek-Roman culture influence in translation.
ru'ahh qad'sh'skha***HOLY-"set aside for a special purpose" or "special one"****SPIRIT-"wind" or "breath".
-THE BREATH OF YOUR SPECIAL ONE OR PURPOSE SET ASIDE-
We see the evidence in the following scriptures.
Jn20:22
And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, "Receive ye the Holy Spirit[the breath of the special one].
Deut 7:6
For an holy[set aside for a purpose]people unto the Lord thy God:the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself above all people...
HOLY nation-SET ASIDE(1Pet2:8)
Believers set aside for God's purpose.
---char on 5/12/10


MarkV, I agree with your analysis and appreciate it. I am not quite undertanding Clunys challenge to the concept in regards to Sola Scriptura. However, he may have a point. I think what he is challenging is that some Sola Scriptura folks claim a type of revelation which would not be consistent with Sola Scriptura. I probably agree with some of that.
The fellowship I am thinking of is consistent with SS and it's the SS that keeps us in line. Is the fellowship of God or not? or maybe something apart from the Father. However, I'll be thinking on this.

BTW, I am staying within Old Jerusalem for a few days and celebrated the 1967 liberating of Jerusalme at the Western Wall a few hours ago, thousands were there.
---Rod4Him on 5/12/10


Rod4him, you are correct in your answer about fellowship. Or personal relationship.
The two mean the same. Together with Christ. Cluny makes a big deal where there is none. What concerns him or the reason he objects is because he is not in favor of "Sola Scriptura" He is oppose to Scripture only since he believes the same as the Roman Church there own traditions as truth. The word Trinity is not in the Bible but he believes that and so do we since the concept is there. Personal relationship might not be there but we understand what it means, its there also. Since we say we believe in Sola Scriptura, they want to confine us to every word from Scripture only.
---MarkV. on 5/11/10


Cluny: "All I'm asking for is where the Bible uses your pet formula "personal relationship." Can you please find it for me and let me know where it is?"

You are definately stuck on only those two words. Did you even do your research of biblical text using the two keywords? It's obvious that you haven't or else you wouldn't be asking me where to look. "Personal relationship" is the telling part, the scriptures are full of the showing part. All you need to do is read the bible.
---Steveng on 5/11/10


\\Furthermore, maybe "we have fellowship with the Father" is a better Biblical term.\\

I'm not objecting to Biblical terminology. On this we can find common ground.

I'm objecting to the very people who claim "Sola Scriptura" not playing by their own rule, squealing when asked to show their where their pet formulae such as "personal relationship with Christ," "personal Savior," "accept Christ" and the like are in the Bible, and dodging the question.
---Cluny on 5/11/10




Is our walk with Christ a personal one through the vehicle of the Holy Spirit? Very definitely, YES. If it is not a personal relationship, how can we claim to know God? If it is not the same Spirit within each of us, how can we consider ourselves of ONE body, of ONE Mind? How can we do any good on behalf of the Kingdom if we are separated by our fleshly misunderstandings?

The Spirit moves, blesses, and provides opportunity for our benefit, if we would only listen. But who can hear, who has no connection to the source?

If our relationship with God is only met through our Physical birthright or our social acclimations, then what need have we for a Spiritual comforter?

I am blessed in Yasheme...brother, consider well the words.
---Elaine on 5/11/10


Trav,

I should have not included chat (i hate chat) but penpals, but that is the title of the link. I have some questions to ask you, but there are to many snipers here to have a decent converssation, and I thought that personal mail might be a better way to accomplish this.

Deep inside I know that 99% of what we learn is terribly screwed up, but I do not know how to proceed. If the lamp is mostly covered, then how do the lost find there way? and If you do not have time, please do not comment on my use/misuse of scripture because I walk in only the light that I have, which is dim at best.
---aka_joseph on 5/11/10


trav,
At first, I intended this as a tongue-in-cheek poke at those who 'rightly divide' the Truth with half-verses and seemingly related verses that are not really.

But, I got what I really want. A response from you. ---aka_joseph on 5/11/10

The poke was fun, I recognized the format.

It only took two doctrinal "milk" verses to understand you didn't have a fork for the fight.
The fight was unequal/unfair to the challenger.
Sorry, don't have time for extra chat boxes/rooms. Do mine here.
---Trav on 5/11/10


trav,

At first, I intended this as a tongue-in-cheek poke at those who 'rightly divide' the Truth with half-verses and seemingly related verses that are not really.

But, I got what I really want. A response from you. I really do not have time right now to read all the blogs to piece together your line of thought based on Scripture. My member no. is aka7756. Chat & Penpals
---aka_joseph on 5/11/10


Cluny, great question. I think these phrases and statements need clarified.

Would you agree that fellowship is similar to relationship? Perhaps one could look up the definition.

Furthermore, maybe "we have fellowship with the Father" is a better Biblical term.

I John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth."
---Rod4Him on 5/10/10




Gen 6:9b Noah walked with God.
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not, for God took him.
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Exo 33:11a And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend
John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
---micha9344 on 5/10/10


\\Cluny, since the beginning, God has always wanted a personal relationship with his people\\

Actually, in OT Jewish thought, one was saved and redeemed by being part of the saved, redeemed people, not by a a "personal realtionship with YHVH."

All I'm asking for is where the Bible uses your pet formula "personal relationship."

Can you please find it for me and let me know where it is?

If you cannot, at least have the grace to admit this is a non-Biblical formula.
---Cluny on 5/10/10


Cluny, since the beginning, God has always wanted a personal relationship with his people. A friend is someone you know personally. John 15:14. Everyone else is just an aquaintance. The people on these blogs are neither friends nor aquaintances, but strangers having their own traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Do an online KJV bible search for the keyword "friend" and the keyword "love" and learn how to become a friend of God.
---Steveng on 5/10/10


In this corner:
John 3:16 ..Pretty universal.
In the other corner:
John 15:5
Pretty personal.
Now, Let's get ready to rrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuumble!
---aka_joseph on 5/10/10

You'll stumble with scripture against you...aka. You can't bring enough to win a (catholic)universal-personal.

Shepherd said the fight was his.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of bondwoman shall not be heir with son of the freewoman.
Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
---Trav on 5/10/10


Trav,... serious problem when a person believes we received the Bible..fourth century from.. Orthodox Council of Men.

Please research on.. name "CLUNY" means and where it came from.
---Rob on 5/9/10

Rob, probably the best thing that could happen in life, is for someone to challenge/provoke you to defend what you believe. In doing so, if thorough may leave some misconceptions behind or find/prove that you are totally correct.

Men did re-translate scripture. If you search you WILL find where. Word gentile for one.

Cluny's name: The boy's name Cluny, is of Irish and Gaelic origin, and its meaning is "from the meadow". (Glad I did this Rob...we're all prob branch cousins...by name anyway).
---Trav on 5/10/10


B is the heresy of Filioquism, held equally by Romanists and Protestants).
---Cluny on 5/2/10


And where did Romamists get theirs from?

From the first two ecumenical councils, who did not teach that the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father and from the Early Church Fathers who said that "from the Father though the Son" is the same as "from the Father and the Son"!

"Concerning the Holy Spirit I ought not to be silent, and yet I have no need to speak, still, for the sake of those who are in ignorance, I cannot refrain. There is no need to speak, because we are bound to confess Him, proceeding, as He does, from Father and Son." Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 2:29 (A.D. 357).
---Ruben on 5/10/10


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None of these verses use the words "personal relationship with Christ," which formula is nothing more than a tradition and precept of men.
---Cluny on 5/10/10


\\knowing The Father in Heaven and Christ along with the members of the church were the only spirit beings and human beings addressed in the Apostles greetings\\

Rhonda, if you knew the Bible, you would know that Christ rose from the dead in His GLORIFIED HUMAN body, not merely as a spirit being.

And can you tell me where in the Epistles that either the Father or the Son is addressed?

Give book, chapter, and verse, please.
---Cluny on 5/10/10


Cluny, I guess you have never read Galatians 2:20-21, or John 14:6-7.
---Rob on 5/10/10


\\Being a True Christian is having a Personal and Intimate Relationship with God through Christ.\\

Please tell me where the Bible uses the formula "personal relationship with Christ."
---Cluny on 5/10/10

In this corner:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Pretty universal.

In the other corner:

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Pretty personal.


Now, Let's get ready to rrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuumble!
---aka_joseph on 5/10/10


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\\Being a True Christian is having a Personal and Intimate Relationship with God through Christ.\\

Please tell me where the Bible uses the formula "personal relationship with Christ."
---Cluny on 5/10/10


\\True Christians acknowledge The Father in Heaven and Christ ONLY.\\

Well, Rhonda, I guess that St. Paul was NOT a true Christian, then.

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

II Cor 13:14
---Cluny on 5/10/10


James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.
---micha9344 on 5/9/10


Cluny, being a True Christian is not nor does it have anything to do with Religion.

Being a True Christian is having a Personal and Intimate Relationship with God through Christ.

If you examine scripture you will see there are warnings about being or becoming Religous.
---Rob on 5/9/10


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But Rhonda, religious Christians ARE true Christians.

It's the others who deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit who are the false Christians.

In the 4th century, they were called Pnevmatomachoi--Enemies of the Holy Spirit.
---Cluny on 5/9/10


Rhonda, you are wrong. First of all in the account of the annunciation to Mary concerning how this should come about, having been chosen by the Lord for an unusual honor, the angel replied,
"The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, where fore also the Holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35. The same annunciation to Joseph came by the angel,
"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit" Matt. 1:20. This in no way indicate that the Son of God was not eternal, only that He was to come in a human form.
---MarkV. on 5/8/10


The Holy Spirit is God-Jn4:24
HIS WORD became Flesh-Jesus Christ,Emmanuel-GOD with us.Matt1:23
Jesus being full of the Holy Spirit returned for Jordan,and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness.
Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD-SPEAKING-IN FLESH.
Father speaks with Words (Jesus Christ).God acts on what He said-(Holy Spirit-God moving).
Lk 4
The Word spoken-through flesh...
It is written...That man shall not live by bread alone,but by EVERY WORD OF GOD.
"Get thee behind me,satan for it is written,Thou shall worship the Lord thy God, and Him alone shall thy serve".
God is ONE.
His NAME-ONE LORD:Deut 6:4
And the Lord shall be King over all the earth:IN THAT DAY shall there be ONE LORD and HIS NAME ONE.
---char on 5/8/10


When we speak of three Persons in the Trinity, "person" has a special theological meaning that does NOT mean "human being."
*****

When 'we' (as in religious christianity)

when True Christians speak of The Father in Heaven and Christ we speak as the Apostles did

True Christians acknowledge The Father in Heaven and Christ ONLY ....knowing The Father in Heaven and Christ along with the members of the church were the only spirit beings and human beings addressed in the Apostles greetings ...Christ is ONE with The Father

ONLY man needs special theological meanings to IMPLY ideas that do not exist in scripture while they ignore dismiss and REJECT the ACTUAL WORD of God
---Rhonda on 5/8/10


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\\If the Holy Spirit is not a person, who impregnated Mary? \\

When we speak of three Persons in the Trinity, "person" has a special theological meaning that does NOT mean "human being."

Corporations are legal persons: they may own property, engage in business, be taxed, and enter into lawsuits, for example.

As far as the obstetrics of the Virginal Conception of Jesus, it suffices us to know that when God so wills, the order of nature is overcome.
---Cluny on 5/7/10


mary was not impregnated,virgin birth remember?
---tom2 on 5/7/10


If the Holy Spirit is not a person, who impregnated Mary?
*****

pagan belief an ACTUAL 'spirit' PERSON was with Mary and through sexual union conceived Christ - making BOTH the archangel Gabriel and Mary LIARS?

instead of BELIEVING truth from Gods Word where Christ states he is one with The Father and SIMPLE understanding Apostles greetings to church ONLY GREETED The Father and Christ SIMPLY because there are no other Gods 1Corin 8:6


Christ THE WORD created Adam from dust and religious christianity DUPED into pagan LIE The Father in Heaven needed another 'spirit man' to create THE WORD in flesh as Christ

pagan myths cannot rewrite Gods Word can only dismiss and ignore passages that don't support their LIES
---Rhonda on 5/7/10


steveng, I may not have expressed that clearly. Let me try to rephrase.
Jesus was the first envoy to the Earth as the Comforter.
The HS was sent by Him and His Father as the Comforter.
They both have many roles from eternity past as does God the Father.
Hopefully I have stated my understanding of this better.
---micha9344 on 5/7/10


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The Holy Spirit is God.
---char on 5/7/10


micha9344: "Jesus was the first comforter to the Earth,
the HS being the second (another)."

The Holy Spirit, or the Spirit of God, has existed throughout all of history - the Old Testament and the New. Do an online KJV bible search for "spirit" to learn all there is about the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 5/6/10


scott, and all others who believe that it was "Definitely D."

If the Holy Spirit is not a person, who impregnated Mary? For it is written that "which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
---Steveng on 5/6/10


A lot of people, from reading, I am told, are ignorant of the Third Person of the Trinity. I am going to say that A. is true, B. true, C. True, D. false, E. false, other>>>He has a mind. He searches out the human mind. He has a will. He forbids. He permits. HE SPEAKS. He loves. He grieves. He prays.....The Holy Spirit of God is a person, as much as the Father and Son are Persons, and therefore experiences all the sinless elements involved within a divine personality. Some names: The Spirit of God, of Christ, Eternal Spirit. Note: Wind, indication unseen power. Fire indicating, Presence, approval, Protection. Various ministry of the Holy Spirit includes, The universe, Scriptures, Nation Israel, DEVIL, Savior, church. To mention only a few.
---catherine on 5/5/10


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A,B,C and D
The Holy Spirit is the Character of God. God's identity from eternity and the beginning of time was Spirit. Jesus was like God in Character, and so could proclaim God's Word from God's perspective. The Holy Spirit as Comforter is the Character of Christ, the self-same Spirit of God, in all ways Holy, a personal teacher and friend.
---Elaine on 5/5/10


Jesus was the first comforter to the Earth,
the HS being the second (another).
There is no record of the apostles having contact with the HS before pentecost, so another cannot mean a second HS.
Maybe in the fictional UB there is some story about the apostles receiveing two HS'.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
---micha9344 on 5/5/10


Definitely D.
---scott on 5/5/10


Donna,
And Jesus said to the apostles that he will send"another"(spirit-the comforter).
This promise was felt at pentecost that was never felt before.What spirit was this?The HS or "another"?
---earl on 5/5/10


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Donna,
One more question.Did the HS arrive at the beginning of creation of the universe ,including our world or was the HS presence first experienced at pentecost?
---earl on 5/4/10


earl, is this a trick question? Since God always existed and since God always had a Spirit, the Holy Spirit always existed.

The Holy Spirit is GOD'S Spirit and we call Him Holy because God is Holy, thus God's Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit descended on people in the Old Testament (i.e., King David, Samuel, Elijah).
In the New Testament, it says Know ye not ye are a temple of the Holy Spirit. He comes to tabernacle with us in the New Test.
---Donna5535 on 5/5/10


The Holy Spirit Is apart of the Trinity. He is and was and always has bean. He like the father and the son were present on the earth even before it was formed in Genesis. Just because we do not hear of his presents in this way and by this title until Pentecost dose not mean he was not always there. The Holy spirit like the Father and Son are the alpha and omega meaning they always were always are and always will be.
---Julie on 5/4/10


The Spirit is the spirit of God the Father. The same spirit who worked through Jesus. The same spirit who works through all the christians. A powerful spirit who can do greater miracles than Jesus.

People have been putting personal pronouns on their own spirits for thousands of years: "His spirit troubles him, she has a joyful spirit, my spirit.., your spirit.., everyone's a-spirit, spirit, etc. Do an online KJV bible search for the word "spirit" and learn the different ways it is used.
---Steveng on 5/4/10


Donna,
One more question.Did the HS arrive at the beginning of creation of the universe ,including our world or was the HS presence first experienced at pentecost?
---earl on 5/4/10


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The Holly Spirit is part of the trinity. He is hia own man. He is Very Improtant because if the Holy Spirit is not presant you can talk and talk to someone you are witnessing to and nothing will happen. The Gift of tongues is very badly warped by some churches. The Bible says they spoke in an unknown toung to me that measn a real language just not something known to the person speakin. So today Toungs would be a Missionary is going to the way outback of Africa No one but that tribe knows the language. He steps off the plane and can speak it Fluently. I would like to say more but I am out of words. God Bless
---Pastor_Chuck on 5/4/10


\\All three have Jesus as a great prophet.
---francis on 5/4/10br>
Judaism does NOT consider Jesus a "great prophet".
In fact, Jesus is spoken of in the Talmud (the written form of the tradition of the Jewish elders that Christ condemned) in terms so blasphemous I will not repeat them here.
For Christians, Jesus must be God Incarnate.

"Great prophet" is not an alternative that is offered.
---Cluny on 5/4/10

It is good to someone else is aware of the Talmud-d.
I have heard those claiming to be judah on T.V....keep from starting a Christian fire by calling Jesus a prophet. They were being politically/diplomatically careful. At the same time negating his position.
---Trav on 5/4/10


earl, Oh my, you are really shocking me now, actually scaring me, I'm afraid to respond to you.

Is THAT what you believe about the Holy Spirit?

earl said: Is it a universe conscious presence without bodily form with no mobility to traverse another universe or a conscious bodily form present in our universe with mobility having no travel imobilities
---earl on 5/4/10

earl, the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit that came to earth to indwell and tabernacle with us, Know ye not that ye are a temple of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and because God is Holy, He is called Holy Spirit. Amen and amen.
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


Donna,
In your observations,What is the holy spirit?What do you think it is?Is it a universe conscious presence without bodily form with no mobility to traverse another universe or a conscious bodily form present in our universe with mobility having no travel imobilities?Can we attatch a personal name to it?This question I like to ask if none others are answered -Can the HS withdraw from the universe and no collapse will occur?
---earl on 5/4/10


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A normal person is willing to ask for clarification if something is not understood.
A controlling one does not.
---earl on 5/3/10

earl, first let me apologize, today I'm much calmer because I'm not reading the responses on this board. So you're right, I do owe you an apology for my CAPS, etc.,

However, there is a such thing as "righteous anger" and I could feel tabasco sauce coming up my legs when someone calls the Holy Spirit, "it" and not "Him or He."
It does get my goat, I admit. I don't know why except of the level of reverence I have for Him, not it.
Again, my apologies to you...but please don't call the Holy Spirit "it." That's blasphemy. Thank you.
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


miche,
Did you forget
(references to the HS)
"God's spirit moved across the waters"-genesis
"let us make man"-genesis
"if you tke your spirit away we shall all die"-psalms

The HS,creative spirit, has been functioning and active since the beginning of universe creation in company with the creator son opposed to the idea that the HS became active at pentecost as did the spirit of truth.
---earl on 5/4/10


Ok, maybe today.
Holy Spirit(Hagios Pneuma) mentioned 4 times in NT
Holy Ghost(Hagios Pneuma) mentioned 89 times in NT
Holy Ghost=Spirit of God (Mat 3:16, Luke 3:22)
Holy Ghost=Comforter (John 14:26)
Comforter=Spirit of Truth (John 14:16-17,15:26)
Spirit of God=Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9)
Spirit of Truth=Spirit of God (John 14:17, Rom 8:9)
The Father and the Son send the Comforter(John 14:26, 15:26, 16:7)
The Comforter is(proceeds) from the Father (John 15:26)
Base on the verses, I will have to agree with Cluny.
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


Thesis huh?..Maybe not today, I can see that you are already more intelligent, learned, and knowledgable than I, so even if I were to present you with my limited understanding, I wouldn't want you to lower yourself to my standards to be able to read and comprehend it. Of course I would have to write it in crayon, since I'm not able to use other writing instruments effectively yet.
Please pray for me.
James 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


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\\ANYONE who calls the Holy Spirit "it" doesn't know HIM.\\

Are you saying that the authors of the Greek Scriptures, where "Holy Spirit" is grammatically neuter (that is, "it"), did not know the Holy Spirit?
---Cluny on 5/3/10


micha,
Then would you like to detail in complete thesis the origin,purpose and functions of the HS as compared to the spirit of truth of which the bible gives very limited, in comparrison to the other source,knowledge of.
Can you ,with your sources,give a definitive answer to the question above and in so doing broaden the scope of current understanding to the audience?
The general idea here,on this question, is illuminate things spiritual,that which man has limited knowledge and understanding of.
Or is your purpose to object to the introduction of spiritual sources unlike your own personal preference,bandwagon a movement, and influence everyone to leave the question unanswered?
---earl on 5/3/10


The Urantia Book, published 1955, Chicago Ill.
It seems this book came about by revelation to a minute number of people, similar to John Smith and Ellen White, yet authorship is not claimed, much like the New world Bible of JW's.
Just another dispute as to the finality and authority of the Bible.
---micha9344 on 5/3/10


Donna,I am supprised that the moderator allowed your anger(caps) and demanding attitude(do not say--).A normal person is willing to ask for clarification if something is not understood.
A controlling one does not.
---earl on 5/3/10


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Donna,It was not my intent to confuse you but neither did you ask for a clarification.You automatically responded,as I read it, with an attitude.
---earl on 5/3/10


earl, if you're trying to confuse us, it worked.

Do you really want to know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

ANYONE who calls the Holy Spirit "it" doesn't know HIM. HE's a HE, why? Because Jesus repeatedly said, "when HE comes, HE shall lead you into all truth."

So (F) is NOT the correct answer...and pleae do not call God's Holy Spirit "it" ever again on this board...thank you.

Oh and I don't care what the The Urantia Book states..WHO CARES WHAT THIS BOOK STATES? What does the BIBLE say? HELLO? Earth to Earl.
---Donna5535 on 5/3/10


My answer is (F).Most people classify the HS also as the spirit of truth .There is one NT scripture saying it is.This is true in unity of purpose.There is unity in purpose of all spirit 'but' seperate in function of spirit.There is single origin of spirit but division of functions of spirit.
The HS and spirit of truth are unity in purpose but not specifically the same in function .The Urantia Book states the beginning presence of the HS was at creation,the Spitit of truth was at pentecost.
The HS is a co creator with additional characteristics, the Spirit of truth is a dominant leading spirit from Jesus for the mortal mind.
---earl on 5/3/10


Holy Spirit-God with us-Now-in Spirit
God is Spirit-Jn4:24
Jesus Christ-Word of God-then-with us-in Flesh.
Emmanuel-God with us- Matt 1:23
God confirms His Word-by His Spirit.
God PERFORMS-His Word.
God is a God of order.
Jn14:26,Jn15:26
Jn16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.
Is9:6-7
For unto us A Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, COUNSELLER, mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of Peace....
upon the Throne of David...The zeal of the Lord of hosts will PERFORM This.
---char on 5/3/10


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Donna, thanks for quoting the verses in John. My memory was lacking. That passage is very clear that Jesus asks the Father, and the Father sends the Holy Spirit. I guess I was thinking about the concept that "Jesus will ask the Father," and it was in that regard that Jesus takes responsibility.

There is something peaceable and gentle and easy to accept, when hearing/reading scripture, especially in contrast to some of man's speculations.
---Rod4Him on 5/3/10


"F"- The Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
---Eloy on 5/3/10


Cluny, or anyone else who wants to answer, I can understand the logic that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father and the Son because if they are One, if the Spirit comes from the Father, He must also come from the Son. What is the important distinction that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, and not the Son, according to Orthodox beliefs?

However, I take the John passage that Jesus will send a Comforter, and therefore Jesus takes the responsibility of sending the Spirit to believers, which is more the Orthodox view.

I still don't see the divisive issue. As long as we have the Holy Spirit, why divide over a technicality?
---Rod4Him on 5/3/10


I like to quote scripture to answer your question...I don't want to mix words, so here they are: The Holy Spirit is God's Holy Spirit "Whom the Father will send in Jesus name."

John Chapter 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John Ch 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever, 17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him
---Donna5535 on 5/3/10


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Question concerning the Holy Spirit, have you every experience been taken over and controled by the Holy Spirit? Immediately after saying or doing something you come to the realization that what has taken place was not of you're doing?
I look forward to seeing the answers to this question.
---mima on 5/3/10


The Holy Spirit is a vice president of Deity Inc. Where YHWH is President and CEO [God created every thing and every one he knew all the out comes before it all started. He lit the fuse for the Big Bang]. Where Yeshua is Vice President in charge of Marketing [getting the word out] and Franchising [establishing churches]. The Holy Spirit is Vice President in charge of Training [the teacher and interpreter] and all other Support Functions [The Holy spirit is the comforter and maintains the ultimate "Angie's list". it is where you go when thing arn't working].

This is a simplification for illustrative purposes only, but it is an effective too to show the relationships of the trinity to new Christians in a manor they can comprehend.
---Friendly_Blogger on 5/3/10


the holy spirit is one of the three parts of the Godhead,the mystery of God being three parts,father ,son,and holy ghost is denied by some,even though all are mentioned within scripture.To those who believe in the trinity there is no issue,all individuals,yet all one,not easy for some to believe,but I would have to say that everything comes from the father,even jesus is the son of God yet he has no spiritual birthday,hard to fathom as he is called son of God.
---tom2 on 5/3/10


The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father [and] through the Son.
---josef on 5/3/10


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\\The Holy Spirit is Three Person in One. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Amen.\\

Wrong.

The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son.

This Sabellian type thinking is merely the fruit of Filioquism.
---Cluny on 5/2/10


f = other
The HS is part of the Godhead. Acts 5:3-4
The HS is the source of truth. John 14:16-17
The HS is a personal being. Eph.4:30
The HS was active in creation. Gen 1:2
The HS IS GOD living in and among those who
believe. Math 18:19-20
The HS is a Comforter. Acts 9:31
The HS is present in time of hardship. Math
10:19-20.
The HS helps us worship God. John 4:23-24
The HS helps with our prayers. Rom 8:26-27
The HS gives one the ability to talk about
spiritual things with power. Acts 1:8
---Pierre on 5/2/10


All things come from God the Father. Man and women (and the spirit of life within), the plants and the animals, the sun, moon and stars comes from God the Father. All truth, wisdom, understanding, and knowledge comes from God the Father. All prophesy comes from God the Father.

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. And even Jesus proceeded from the Father whose Spirit guided and moved Jesus to do wonderful things. The spirit of God is the same spirit of Jesus and is the same spirit of christians. God has given each and every one of us his Holy Spirit. The same spirit that christians, even today, could perform miracles greater than Jesus.
---Steveng on 5/2/10


Cluny, thanks for your answer, I suspect that few current believers have thought about the distinctions. I haven't till late.

What I don't understand is why the distinction ends up being so important, especially in light of the fact not many even know what the issue is.

I personally lean towards a and c, perhaps with c being "by" the Son. Practically, I am probably close to e in that I don't expect to separate fellowship over the matter.

The reason I asked the question is to get a better handle on the issues. :)
---Rod4Him on 5/2/10


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Soldiers have a fighting/protective spirit, sports players have a team spirit. OUR spirit must become compatible with GOD'S spirit (so intense that it LIVES).

Jesus is the "trinity".

Colossians 2:9
"For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily".

The Israelites/Hebrews/Jews only worshipped The Father, but we have Jesus (and of course God's spirit resides with both). This is why we must learn that scripture is the "doctrine of Christ"......

2 John 1:9
"he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son" (and the spirit is there also).

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God".
---more_excellent_way on 5/2/10


"f". The Bible, Genesis - Revelation.
---Leon on 5/2/10


The Holy Spirit is Three Person in One. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Amen.
Holy Spirit comes as a Comforter, to lead and guide our path in the right direction. Amen.
---Kimbe7395 on 5/2/10


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