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Did Adam Go To Heaven

What about Adam and Eve? Were they redeemed and went to heaven or lost and went to hell?

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All this stuff reminds me of the Scribes and Pharisees and how full of themselves they were until Jesus put them in their place.
---JackB on 5/14/10

But, then you are assuming, here they are all Christians?

Romans 8:27
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 9:7
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---Trav on 5/14/10


micha, short for Michael, in which the penpal only uses the first 4 or 5 letters.
I am male.
Trav, I am surprised neither the indwelling Spirit nor the prophets revealed this to you.
---micha9344 on 5/13/10

Ha. You're gonna be surprised by a lot more than this sis, as you fumble stumble along in Scripture. If.

So what a Biblical prophets say/pronounce has no influence with ya huh?

I apologize, that I mistook you for a female. It just wasn't ever clear. I guess this is my fault?
Psalm 139:20
For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
---Trav on 5/14/10


Doesn't it grieve anyone else that we spend so much time bickering over things that dont lead the lost to Christ?

Its like an "I know better than you" contest. That has its root in pride. You don't have to worry about unbelievers comin in here trying to tear us to pieces. It seems Christians do that to each other just fine.

All this stuff reminds me of the Scribes and Pharisees and how full of themselves they were until Jesus put them in their place.
---JackB on 5/14/10


First I am not in agreement with the thought that there is not a hell, there is and its spoken of in the bible,and you need to get saved to NOT go there,it was created for the fallen angels that left heaven with lucifer,not for man,but if you turn away the gift of salvation, youll end up there.
But yes, I think Adam and Eve did go to heaven. But stuff like this you dont have to worry about, just make sure your right with the Lord Jesus Christ,thats the main thing.
---L. on 5/13/10


Boys-aren't you getting a little side tracked?

I don't think hell is an actually place-at this moment-(another dimenison-maybe?)Gehenna,Grave,pit etc...maybe used in reference of being absent from the presence of God-future tense.

Satan takes the word of God and tries to beguile us with it,just as he did in the garden.
Praise God for God's mercy-grace and forgiveness.
---char on 5/13/10




There are two very similar blogs at this time: One is asking did Adan go to heaven, the other is asking did Solomon go to hell.

The answer to both is the same.

The answer is:
No one goes to heaven or hell at death. We all go to the grave to await the resurrection.
---francis on 5/13/10


Markv-- Thanks for once again stating what is most important. You seem always able to separate the wheat from the chaff.
---Donna66 on 5/13/10


micha, short for Michael, in which the penpal only uses the first 4 or 5 letters.
I am male.
Trav, I am surprised neither the indwelling Spirit nor the prophets revealed this to you.
---micha9344 on 5/13/10


I was being sarcastic, maybe I should have exagerated more.
---micha9344 on 5/12/10

U R a very intelligent woman. Yes, dig a deeper pit. Your using the proper tool.
Sarcasm or truth?
Psalm 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
IsraEL is mentioned by name 2,318 times by name. By another 136 other names, additionally into the thousands. Names like Chosen, only, flock, sheep, everlasting nation, saved ones, covenant people, royal and holy priesthood, vine, weapons of war, witnesses etc.
Sarcastic fools make more sense, scripturally, sometimes. GOD said they would. What they don't percieve they make possible that others may.
---Trav on 5/13/10


Regarding God's marriage, divorce, and remarriage, please explain your meaning and how creation day length is meaningless to this!
---Warwick on 5/11/10

Answer the initial questions first for a radical change.
Do you understand/acknowledge the Marriage? The divorce or the remarriage?

If you have to ask, how it is meaningless then you do not fully understand the New Covenant.
If you don't understand the New, then you do not have a grip on the Old.

It is notable you always avoid a direct answer to what you are unfamiliar/uncomfortable with in a question. Now lets watch perhaps, as you avoid the above and go tooth and nail for this second paragraph.
---Trav on 5/13/10




MarkV,

I do understand and believe. Thanks.
---aka_joseph on 5/12/10


Aka, one can trace the linage in the Bible but not in life. There is no way of telling who is who if you were to go there. It is a nation of people that have gone there from all over the world. We care about Israel because it's a nation God chose. We leave it to God to know who are His people from there. We care about Israel because we know that something is going to happen there that will change the whole world. And we care about Israel because they are people like us who are trying to live a life and the nations around them won't let them be.
I believe what is important today is to bring the gospel to everyone, for all those that believe and will believe will become the body and Church of God. No matter from what nation you come from.
---MarkV. on 5/12/10


Mark, thanks for your comments.

I have to admit I cannot come to grips with what he believes. Sometimes I think I am beginning to understand and then he slips back into nonsense. But I persist, as Jesus tells us to do.
---Warwick on 5/12/10


Jerry, I am just a curious and cannot give up trying to understand Trav's truncated, tortured prose. Does he believe Jesus had a mother-in-law?

Most Christian long-agers say they accepted evolutionary long-ages at school, University or liberal bible college, reinterpreting God's word via these 'glasses.'

Others hide behind complicated arguments over the 'genre' of Genesis 1 insisting it is not historical. An idea not supported in the OT, by the apostles or Jesus Himself. But this doesn't concern them as they are followers of Man.

They are fuzzy about when real history begins. Some say-with Abraham, which of course has Abe appearing without a real father! Very strange, convoluted thinking.
---Warwick on 5/12/10


MarkV,

Thanks for your last post. I was smelling some rotten whiffs of elitism and segragation too, to which us Gentile dogs are not privileged. Keep in mind, that there was Israel and there is Judah. One can trace their lineage back to David, King of Judah, and one cannot. The Jews that were killed in the Holocaust and the Jews still scattered and isolated probably have the lineage in the former. That would be most consistent with what little us dogs know about the Scripture and suppression of the Truth.

So, be careful when you send your money to support Israel, you might not be supporting the lineage of David or Jesus Christ.
---aka_joseph on 5/12/10


Trav, speaks of the tribes of Israel, the devorced, the married, the two tribes, the one single tribe, the 16 tribes, the prophets who speak only of Israel, but never does he say what tribe he belongs to, which one is blessed and which one is not, the tribes in Revelation on the wall, and on and on. The ones killed by Hitler were not the real Jews, they deserve to die because God said so, and he knows they were not the real Israel by some knowledge he has. You are talking about millions of Jews. If he spoke in parables it is so that no one knows really what he is saying. Instead of coming right out and saying what is understandable he believes as many others he has all the mysteries figured out. Great lessons.
---MarkV. on 5/12/10


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Warwick, I don't think you are going to get a clear answer from him. It took me to long time to get what he was talking about. He has nothing to do with the Church. It's all about Israel, and the right one too. Everything is Israel for him. Salvation is for Israel only, the church is not in his teachings they are left overs to him. Yet he was happy they killed all the Jews in the Holocaust, Jews that he says deserved what they got, but he does not belong to those Jews, but is from another tribe, so those Jews are alright. One preacher that use to teach this concept of Israel was Earl Camping.
---MarkV. on 5/12/10


I was being sarcastic, maybe I should have exagerated more.
---micha9344 on 5/12/10


Warwick: You're a better man than Gunga Din! Trying to understand what Trav writes is laborious and not at all fruitful. He's got Jesus married already when the Church is the BRIDE - not the WIFE - of Christ. And micha9344 seems to be obsessed with numerology. Go figure.

After years of trying, I've yet to get a straight answer from any of these day = long ages believers as to why they prefer this interpretation to the clear intent of the Word of God. It must be that they are hiding their REAL beliefs, preferring the fantasies of fallible men to the reality of an infinite God.
---jerry6593 on 5/12/10


Trav, I showed why the days are 24hrs, but you chose to ignore the Scriptures I gave, while giving none to support your view.

'all over the place' means you pick and chose what Scriptures you are prepared to believe.

Most who use "possibility, not proven, not important," in relation to creation day-length, as a rule have nonBiblical reasons for their opinion. Commonly they have accepted evolutionary long-ages beliefs and therefore cannot accept 24hr days, no matter what Scripture says. They even reject what Jesus the Creator says, still insisting they are Christian!

Regarding God's marriage, divorce, and remarriage, please explain your meaning and how creation day length is meaningless to this!
---Warwick on 5/11/10


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As I have said before I often find it difficult to understand your meaning.....

Preferring ideas which are contradicted by Scripture. And no Scripture will shift you from your views. Confusing.
Your beliefs seem to be all over the place.

BTW I am not controlled by any denomination.
---Warwick on 5/11/10

Sort of a gentlemanly reply. But u never proved contradiction. Your witness is about another subject entirely. Pick up on where I say "possibility", "not proven" etc. All over the place is because I am no denom.
Scriptural witnesses negate most N.Covenant denom doctrine today. The day subject,is meaningless to GOD's marriage,divorce and remarriage. And why I posted it.
---Trav on 5/11/10


--This also represents the lost sheep, in fact, every time the Bible says 10, it is really talking about the lost sheep.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
--This also represents the split of Israel into houses, in fact, every time the Bible says 2, it is really talking about the 2 houses of Israel.
---micha9344 on 5/11/10

It is rare,rare to hear it acknowledged. Denom's would just as soon not hear the prophets or the subject.....not understanding it for the most part.
---Trav on 5/11/10


Trav, forgive my spelling errors. I was rather rushed when I wrote. My questions to you were not aimed at exposing your flaws, but asked in the hope of getting to understand where you are coming from.

As I have said before I often find it difficult to understand your meaning. Also you seem to take Scripture as written in some places (e.g. Jesus historical, physical, death and resurrection) but elsewhere will not accept what is written. Preferring ideas which are contradicted by Scripture. And no Scripture will shift you from your views. Confusing.

Your beliefs seem to be all over the place.

BTW I am not controlled by any denomination.

---Warwick on 5/11/10


Genesis 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
--This also represents the 12 tribes, in fact, every time the Bible says 12, it is really talking about the 12 tribes.
Genesis 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
--This also represents the lost sheep, in fact, every time the Bible says 10, it is really talking about the lost sheep.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
--This also represents the split of Israel into houses, in fact, every time the Bible says 2, it is really talking about the 2 houses of Israel.
---micha9344 on 5/11/10


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Whatever you imagine cod 'can' do is not relevant ....

Do you believe Jesus died and rose again as a physical reality at a pouint in real history? If so why?
---Warwick on 5/11/10

You seem upset, your spelling deteriorated. preacher man, you look for flaw in me? You'll find it. In scriptures used? My witnesses will stand united front to back. So be cautious. My answer in questions to you.
My GOD was married. Yours? My GOD was divorced. Yours? My GOD said he would remarry same people. Yours?
My Lord came, was crucified and was raised for the New Covenant to take effect. Yours?
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
---Trav on 5/11/10


"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.." 2 Timothy 3:16
So you say the days of Numbers are not to be taken as 24hr days?
---Warwick on 5/11/10

Ha, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. Original Scripture is GOD breathed. Seen you scramble for vague hebrew words in effort to defend your denom positions. As denom's do. Be just a "Christian" instead... enjoy a freedom and peace. You are no teacher. There is only one.
I addressed Numbers...and verified the Adamic day period. You ran when no one is chasing....from the stated twelve in Num.
Don't be afraid, embrace.
---Trav on 5/11/10


Trav, you confirm what I am saying: the days of creation, Adam's days, and those since are 24hr days.

But then you write "The point you are afraid of is GOD's are not." God's days are not 24hours as He being eternal does not live in days of any length. Right?

Scripture was provided by God for man, written in man's terms: 24hr days, sunrise (seen from our perspective), ".sun stood still." "...heaven above..earth below..." All from man's perspective "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.." 2 Timothy 3:16-God's word for us, in our terms.

So you say the days of Numbers are not to be taken as 24hr days?
---Warwick on 5/11/10


Trav, my 'theory' is the integrity of God's word, which agrees with itself throughout. NT writers constantly quoted from the OT, as historical fact.

The terms 'day's with a number, or 'evening and morning', or 'night' are used (outside Genesis 1) 523 times, always indicating ordinary days. But you refure to accept what God says, preferring to believe the creation days (defined in 1:3-5, confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11) are some other length. Your view is unsupported, actually totally contradicted by Scripture.

Jesus said Adam was created "at the beginning of Creation" (that in which we live) being created only 4 X 24hours from the beginning of creation week. You contradict the Creator and say it does not matter!
---Warwick on 5/11/10


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Trav if you knew history you would know that those who "tortured/killed Christians in times past for saying the Earth was "round" did not do so for Biblical reasons but had accepted Aristotelian 'science' and would not tolerate Galileo's observed reality.

God always knew it was round and His word tells us so.

They were somewhat like some here who view Scripture through human philosophies and cannot accept its plain truth.

Whatever you imagine cod 'can' do is not relevant as he has told us what He actually did. But you will not accept it.

Do you believe Jesus died and rose again as a physical reality at a pouint in real history? If so why?
---Warwick on 5/11/10


Trav, I just believe what is written.
But you and your liberal/cultic buddies ignore any inconvenient Scriptures. ---Warwick on 5/9/10

Inconvienient Scriptures? First have one or more.
I'll compare witness for witness anytime. Even as a challenge. I will humbly/wisely acknowledge a truth....when there is one witnessed.

You really don't want to compare witnesses in Israel's areas. Or you would have jumped into other blog regarding 10, or "12". The days are 12 that are discussed Num 7:1-89 and have allegorical/prophetical meanings. 12 princes, 12 days.
Yes, Adam/man's days are measured in a light/dark "12" hours each, span for a unit of measure. The point you are afraid of is GOD's are not.
---Trav on 5/10/10


This Scripture is obviously not ascribing any length to a human day either. ---Warwick on 5/9/10

No they weren't confused. They understood that they didn't understand some things yet. Unlike some today.
If it was clearly/scripturally defined....you wouldn't be trying to prove your "theory".

Cultic? ha. Your mind/kind has tortured/killed Christians in times past for saying the Earth was "round".

While GOD can (Adamite time)instantly (millisecond) place a planet, make fossils, dino's etc. Is possible "HE" took a natural thousand (Adamite) years for some processes...or more. Perhaps a (Adam day) for him....
---Trav on 5/10/10


Trav, you miss the point. Two Peter 3:8 says that a thousand years is LIKE a day, and a day LIKE a thousand years to God. If you read it carefully it is saying God is eternal, having no 'days' not of any length at all. If He did He wouldn't be eternal, as day, year, thousand years etc are all measures of time, therfore cannot refer to God. You cannot measure eternity.

This Scripture is obviously not ascribing any length to a human day either. Peter could only use these words because his readers already knew what a 'day' was, and what a 'thousand years' are. They obviously knew that a day isn't a thousand years. They weren't confused!
---Warwick on 5/9/10


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Trav, I just believe what is written. Genesis describes dark and light, earth-rotation rotation days. I obviously have no argument with God, but you do. That these are not God's days (God being eternal does not exist in any periods of time) but man's days is confirmed by Exodus 20:8-11. But you and your liberal/cultic buddies ignore any inconvenient Scriptures.


I have asked this question before: read Numbers 7:11-48. Therein a series of 7 days are described as "the first day, the second day, the third day..." Just like Genesis.

The question: is numbers 7:11-48 describing 7 earth-rotation, dark and light days or not? If yes or no why?
---Warwick on 5/9/10


Neither one! The Bible says that the judgement is still in the future, and that Jesus brings His reward with Him when He comes in the clouds. Right now they are sleeping in the grave, awaiting the resurrection of the dead. If they rise in the first resurrection (at Christ's coming), then they go to heaven. [My opinion is that they will make it there - but I'm not the judge.] If they rise in the second resurrection (1000 years later) they will perish in the lake of fire.

This is the case for all of us. Unless we are alive when Jesus returns, we will sleep in the grave until we are resurrected.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power
---jerry6593 on 5/8/10


Cluny, why you imagine these verses say a day (to man) is a thousand years is beyond me.
---Warwick on 5/7/10

It can be anything GOD wants it to be, but I think you probably have an argument with GOD on that Warwick.

As previously mentioned. It must be 24 earth turning hours for your doctrine.

You doctrine depends on and is Catholic (universal). I realize you do not claim the religion titled this but, you need scriptural foundation to mean "universal" man. It clearly isn't supported as one builds their house in scripture through to Revelations, which leaves you with a dead limb end you must defend. While I won't/ don't change what you believe...I address what you would butcher.
---Trav on 5/8/10


Alan is correct. Francis is male. Frances is female. I think we will avoid problems if we stick to these rules. I am sure it otherwise in some places but Francis-male, Frances femals is how it has been 'forever.'
---Warwick on 5/7/10


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Alan, I don't always spell names correctly but Francis/Frances is a unisex name here, a male Frances is usually called "Frank"
I think the one (Francis) knows I mean her/him?
---1st_cliff on 5/7/10


Cliff ... My godmother was named Frances

My cousin's husband is named Francis.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/7/10


"Frances, Good work! you're right on, on this doctrine."
I Agree. Both Adam and Eve await the resurrection along with the rest of the dead.
---Josef on 5/7/10


Frances, Good work! you're right on, on this doctrine.
It was the serpent who said "you won't really die" 1st lie!
Nowhere in scripture does it say that "separation from God" is any kind of death except maybe figurative.
Adam lived 930 years and THEN he died -truth!
---1st_cliff on 5/6/10


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so here solomon says that the human breath is no different than that of an animal. neither goes to heaven at death.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place, all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Only spirit / breath of God goes back to him.
---francis on 5/6/10


the confusion comes in from this verse:

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

What this verses mens is that our will and desire is to do Gods will and desire.

I want you to now think about this:
If people's spirit had thought and went to heaven at death, (which according to paul in 1 corithians 5 is desireable) why then raise people from the dead?


Why bring people back to earth from heaven when they die?
---francis on 5/6/10


Our spirit is oxygen, it is the air we breath, it is not divine and not holy. So at death we stop taking in air.

Part of every human being, beliver or unbeliver is the divine spirit given to us all by God. At death the spirit goes back to God.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Notice that even those who did not enter the ark had the breath of life in them.
Do you think they went to heaven at death?

No they perished and died.
---francis on 5/6/10


Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,

This is from Job, here we see Jobs breath in his nostrils which is common air we breath, and of course Gods breath of life which is in the nostrils of all people.

We sometimes confuse our brain function withour spirit. Only the spirit of God has thoughts.

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Mans breath has no thoughts, our thoughts are a function of our brain

Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help.

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
---francis on 5/6/10


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Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there].
---micha9344 on 5/5/10


For those who believe the spirits of believers don't go to God when a person dies:

What DOES happen to a believers spirit after death? Can you give me a clear answer from Scripture? I'm not getting an answer from any verses cited yet.

Dust to dust obviously refers to be body, nothing else. Adam's body was made of dust, but it was God who breathed into him the breath of life.
---Donna66 on 5/5/10


Have you ever been to a funeral, and hear the preacher or anyone give a Eulergy and say that the person in the casket is going to hell?

100% of all eulergy places the dead in heaven.

If everyone is going to heaven who is going to hell.

When you grow up this is what you figure out:
The pastor is just comforting the family by saying that this this person is now in heaven.

When you grow up you know that
(A) the pastor does not know who will go to heaven or hell.
(B) not everyone is going to heaven.
---francis on 5/5/10


I am not giving interpretation.
I am giving more than one scripture, in both OT and NT to show that when we die, we do not go to heaven, but rather are in the grave untill Jesus returns.

God said Dust thou art, and dust thou shall retunr.

Job Job 19:26 says the same thing
Ecclesiastes 12:7 says same thing
Psalms 146:4 says same thing

The disciples also understood that no one went to heaven at the moment of death:

Acts 2:29- 34 says same thing

Somehow your pastor have had you to believe that everyone who dies goes to heaven.
The spirit of ALL MEN good or evil goes back to God at death. Does that mena that all men go to heaven at death?
---francis on 5/5/10


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I do not agree with francis' interpretations
---micha9344 on 5/5/10


2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house ( MORTAL BODIES) of [this] tabernacle were dissolved (DEATH), we have a building of God (IMMORTAL BODIES), an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked
(DEAD).

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed (DEAD), but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
---francis on 5/5/10


1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

When do we get IMMPORTALITY:
At the comming of Jesus, till then we rest / sleep in the ground

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
---francis on 5/5/10


francis seems to think the spirit sleeps in the dust, and will until judgement day. But the Bible clearly says we return to God where we came from.
.
---a_friend on 5/4/10

Spirits do not sleep. I am very insulted that I am being so missquoted!

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ths spirit that Goes back is God's spirit not Adams, or any mans spirit.

Genesis 3:19.. for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
---francis on 5/5/10


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I do not agree with francis either.
It looks to me as if he is interpreting scripture to fit his beliefs.
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
I wonder what francis thinks is living in this earthly house and then living in a building eternal?
And where this that abides in the earthly house goes before it abides in it's eternal building?
If what abides in the earthly house dissolves with the house, why would Paul not just state such?
---micha9344 on 5/4/10


francis seems to think the spirit sleeps in the dust, and will until judgement day. But the Bible clearly says we return to God where we came from. So I don't understand why anyone would think that.
---a_friend on 5/4/10


\\Well lets see here.
what does it mean to be naked? It means to be dead.\\

Therefore, the young man of Mark 14:51-52 fled down the street dead.
---Cluny on 5/4/10


O.K. so Adam which was more than 1000 years before Abraham was born went to Abraham's bosom? Adam died way before abraham was born. SO Abraham's bosom did not exist yet.

And jesus did not to to hell when he died.
His spirit went back to his father in heaven Luke 23:46, his body was in a sealed tomb.

Jesus through his spirit which was in Noah ministered to those in the flood.
2 Peter 2:5 and Ezekiel 14:20

Noone not even Jesus went to heaven when they die. Juses was surely 3 days in that tomb.
---francis on 5/4/10


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Well lets see here.
what does it mean to be naked? It means to be dead.

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed(DEAD), but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

So verse 4 we do not wish to die, but to be in heaven.
---francis on 5/4/10


2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed(DEAD), but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

So we have only THREE stages

1: Clothed in earthly house, in this house we groan in pain

2: We can be unclothed or dead, which iwll happen but who realy wants to die?

3: Clothed with our heavenly house, which is what we really want.

But many of us endure pain( be absent frm thebody...)
But even if we are crying/ or enduring in pain ( absent or present) we must please God.

remember that immoratality only comes at the first resurreection

1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
---francis on 5/4/10


Question,

Didn't Adam and Eve go to what was called Abraham's bosom or Sheoul?

And if they did, didn't Jesus spend 3 days in Hell (abraham's bosom and hades) ministering to those there?

If so, wouldn't it be permissable to assume Adam and Eve listened and believed Jesus since they were the first to here the first prophecy about Jesus?

Just some food for thought.
---miche3754 on 5/4/10


francis, unfortunately I still don't agree with you....

Until I can say to you, "Blessed are you Simon Barjona for flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father who is in heaven" we are at a Mexican stand-still.

The thing is I'm a simple person with simple child-like faith and I know what God showed me. It would break my heart to be separated from the Lord for a long period after I die until resurrection day. Thus, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord is what I believe. Plus I've had open visions and dreams....I'm not saying I know it all...ONLY what the Lord chooses to reveal to me.
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


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francis, I am worried about your theology. It really scares me. Did God specifically tell you Adam went to hell?

---Donna5535 on 5/4/10

I never said that Adam went to hell. Nor did i say he went to heaven

This is what God said to Adam and i believe it:
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Now other bible verses lets us know that no one goes to heaven or hell when he dies. We know from scripture that only in the resurrection will we go to heaven.

The bad theology is the one which claims that people go to either heaven or hell when they die.
---francis on 5/4/10


The disciples also understood that no one went to heaven at the moment of death:

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Neither Adam nor David is in heave today.
---francis on 5/4/10


The bible does not specifically say when A & E were resurected or have not been yet but John did write of seeing a group of one time mortals who were resurected and they "overcome the beast".John records that this world is full of the beast.From this without any other reference of another world where there is a beast then was he seeing a resurection of people that came from here only?I beliece he did because Paul records "he led captivity captive"meaning to me-after Jesus' return to his Father he preceeded a multitude of ascending personalities.
John and Paul encourages the truth of resurections to the faithful that they are real and fourthcoming.
---earl on 5/4/10


francis, I am worried about your theology. It really scares me. Did God specifically tell you Adam went to hell?

When did God tell you that? Because you're making tabasco sauce come up my legs with your false theology.

One thing I cannot stand is when someone says something that God did not reveal it to them by the Power of His Holy Spirit and it's studied on an intellectual level. So therefore Adam went to hell...NO he did NOT francis...you are worrying me with your false doctrine. Tell us, when did God reveal that to you and HOW did God reveal that truth to you?
---Donna5535 on 5/4/10


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--Notice it says 'under the sun'?
--Would this apply to anything in heaven?---micha9344 on 5/4/10

yes this applies to heaven also.
Notice that they have no memory, no thought, and no love,

The text tells us thatthose who are dead have nothought that is heaven or earth
It assures us thatthose who are dead, cannnot interfare with the living in any way shape or form.

One verse may be questionable, but a number of verses together gives us a solid doctrine about death.

Those who are dad are not in heaven, they have returned to dust.
---francis on 5/4/10


The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. This was God's way of demonstrating that fellowship was restored. Yes, Adam and Eve was saved. You may study this for yourselves in [Genesis 3:21].
---catherine on 5/4/10


In context:
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.
--Notice it says 'under the sun'?
--Would this apply to anything in heaven?
Psa 146:3-5 Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish. Happy [is he] that [hath] the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope [is] in the LORD his God:
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
---micha9344 on 5/4/10


The spirit shall return to God who gave it. This is the spirit that God breatehed into adam (MAN) This spirit contains none of the thoughts, or memories of the dead person.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished,

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.


So you can see how Adam is not in heaven.
Adam has no thoughts, no memories at this time. He is dead. In the ressurection if he is resurrected in the 1st one, all will be restored.
---francis on 5/4/10


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If they died with sinuous and never repented or returned to the Lord, they went to hell: if they died with righteousness, they went to heaven.
---Eloy on 5/4/10


francis, You said no Adam did not go to Heaven..So what do you think this is saying?? And where do you think God is?? The verse you posted clearly says he will return to God who is in Heaven. The body is of dust, so the body will go back to dust, and the Spirit goes back to God In Heaven.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---a_friend on 5/3/10


I agree with francis. Adam became dust of the earth again & during the ressurection we'll know then if he is with God .
---candice on 5/3/10


No adam did not go to heaven.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

HE returned to the ground just as god said.

Maybe in the resurrection he will go to heaven. But for now, he remains whathe is dust.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---francis on 5/3/10


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They didn't commit the unpardonable sin, did they?

They disobeyed God, (failed his test of obedience), got put out of the Garden, were handed their punishment, and were spiritually separated from God after they sinned, right? Or did I miss something?

Was any of this unforgiveable?

I believe they went to heaven.
---Donna5535 on 5/3/10


The bible does not say . The Urantia Book,a credible source of information I know, states that Adam and Eve was resurected in heaven shortly after Jesus ascended/returned to our Father.
---earl on 5/3/10


The Orthodox Church teaches in her hymnody that at the Descent of Christ into Sheol, He raised up Adam and Eve and the righteous dead of all ages and nations.

The repentant mourning of Adam and Eve is a theme of the Lenten services.
---Cluny on 5/3/10


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