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Father Son And Holy Spirit

I have heard all the arguments about baptism - either with water or "fire and Spirit". But after He rises again, He instructs His disciples to go out to all nations and baptise in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit Matthew 28:19. Why isn't this form of baptism ever discussed?

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Father - Son & Holy Ghost ( man says Holy spirit. )
Yes Father - Son & Holy Ghost, Colo.2 v 9 & Is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, there's No other name given.
---Lawrence on 6/21/10

Athiest, if its simple English why don't you have an answer to what I said?
You said'
1. Old testament God has a million angels
2. Michael is an arch-angel
3. And angel of God wrestled with Jacob
4. I'm not knew at this.

Those were you rebuttles of which is of no use. What does that have to do with what I said? Not a thing. You don't get into Scripture because you do not want to know the Truth, because you are at emnity against God. I understand that. And I do take that in consideration. Read 2 Cor. 4, Char just posted for you.
---MarkV. on 5/16/10

Brothers and sisters-God alone defines-God-Word spoken then-Now confirmed.Jn16:7,Jn15:26,Jn14:26
1Cor:2(all) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him?-Holy Spirit teaches
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blined the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them
For God Who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,hath shined in our hearts, to the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.But we have this tressure in earthen vessel, that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us.
---char on 5/14/10

Jesus was instucting his diciples to "dipt" the people by water in his name, he was not instructing them to "breathe" upon them the holy spirit, for that is preaching and not baptizing. For many tines when the word is preached the hearers are touched or receive the Spirit's baptism, but they still need the water baptism as instructed by Jesus. lit.Gk: "Then whom Peter answered, Can somebody not forbid of water, who's these not to be baptized, who also received of his Holy Spirit even as we? And he commanded them to be baptized with Name of the Lord." Act 10:47,48.
---Eloy on 5/14/10

Mark V, It's simple English,"of the" is possessive meaning belonging to
So of the Lord (belonging to the Lord) the angel belonged to God, no mystery here!
O T says God has a hundred million angels and they all belong to Him. Also Michael is the "Arch-Angel" (one step up from angel).
An angel of God wrestled with Jacob in one instance, no mark, I'm not new at this nor have I been swayed by pagan influence!
The only "trinity" is in the minds of the fundamentalists that have been duped!
---1st_cliff on 5/13/10

Elohim-[iym]indicates plural.God moves and God Speaks.
Spirit-ru'ahh is wind or breath
Face-paniym and presence of God
Immanuel-God with us.
God uses His Breath(ru'ahh) to Speak His Word.
Word in Action-Holy Spirit

In the Beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God All THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM,AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE(Word in action-Spirit of God moving)
---char on 5/13/10

God is Spirit-is he not Holy?
Did he speak with Words?
Elohim- Creator and relation to mankind.
YHVH-I AM-I AM-Eternal.
Paniym-means face. It is a plural word indicated by[iym]used defining YHVH-Presence.Yeshua-Word that became flesh.
Exodus33:1-14(all)...And I will send an angel(messenger) before thee:....I will not go up in the midst of thee...And HE SAID, MY (PRESENCE-paniym-FACE) shall go with thee, and I WILL GIVE THEE REST..Jn14:9If you had known me, you would have KNOWN my Father also, henceforth you know him and have SEEN HIM,....He who has SEEN ME HAS SEEN the Father...Do you not believe that I AM in the Father and the Father IN ME?...I AM IN the Father and the Father IN ME...

---char on 5/13/10

1Cliff, you avoid reading all of Scripture in order to speak against the deity of Christ. But it's ok, you look for reason He is not, not reasons to find the Truth. A title also given to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament is that of the Angel of the Jehovah. Or the Angel of God. The Angel of Jehovah is identified as Jehovah in numerous Old T. Passage. When the Angel of Jehovah spoke to Hagar (Gen. 16:7-13), He was identified as Jehovah in verse 13. The account of the sacrifice of Isaac (Gen. 22:15-18) affords the same identification. The deity of the Angel is confirmed by many passages (Angel of God) Gen. 31:11-13. There is just so many passages that confirm that Jesus is the Angel of the Lord, who is the second Person of the Trinity.
---MarkV. on 5/12/10

In Spiritual reference. For those that do not know what the name of The Father is. The Father His name Is Jesus Christ, The Son His name Is Jesus Christ, The Holy Ghost, The name Is Jesus Christ. It's ALL in The name, Jesus Christ,
Isa. 9 v 6.
Again, there's No other name given.
---Lawrence on 5/9/10

Lawrence, I'm fully aware of the meaning of "bastard' what's your point??
Are you addressing someone by that word??
---1st_cliff on 5/9/10

The word bastard is scriptural. Do you know who The Father is & what His name is?, the status-quo of the Man-made church people don't, but I do, His name Is Jesus Christ. There's No other name given.
---Lawrence on 5/9/10

The 'temples' spoken of at Malachi 3:1 and Matthew 12:6 & 21:12,13 are not the same. This is a scriptural point of fact that eludes MarkV.

Christ is Jehovah's 'messenger of the covenant' spoken of at Malachi 3:1. It does not teach that Christ is 'Jehovah of the temple'. That is not what is being discussed at Malachi 3 or Matthew 12 & 21.

The Messiah was called 'Jehovah Our Righteousness' in the same way Jeremiah called Jehovah's capital Jerusalem 'Jehovah Our Righteousness' at Jer. 33:16.

Both the Messiah and Jerusalem will forever uphold Jehovah's Righteouness. Not that they are both Jehovah God.

NO WHERE does Jeremiah give the HolySpirit this title.
---David8318 on 5/9/10

Mark V, Jesus' Hebrew name was **Jehoshua ben Joseph** meaning "Jehovah saves" or Jehovah our righteousness (Zec.12.10) carrying the name does not make him God anymore than Elijah, Zechariah,Jeremiah or any person who is name contains "Jah"
Nowhere in the OT is YHVH called "the Son of God" (making him His own Son)
It's foolish talk to say God has multiple personalities,(like Baal) or that He's 3 persons in 1 Deut 6.4 does not allow for more than "one" person to be "supreme!
Pagan inroads have corrupted truth!
---1st_cliff on 5/9/10

Jesus Christ Is the name of The Father - Son & the Holy Ghost.
Isa.7 v 14, Isa.9 v 6. Jesus Christ Is The name, No other name given. One God & One God only.
---Lawrence on 5/9/10

Cliff, don't take up target shooting!

I am bound up, bound up in love with our perfect, eternal, loving Creator, whose every word is Truth.

In reality I was a heathen who came to faith in God in my 30's.

With all my failings fear is not one of them.

I became aware of my sinfulness and aware the Creator God died in my place, paying the price for my sin. I said yes please save me! Having done that I have integrity enough to accept what He says is the only Truth around.

He has also blessed me with health wealth, and happines, beyond my greatest expectations.

Think 'outside the box?' What box?

You believe you can understand all about the God who created the universe?
---Warwick on 5/9/10

Warwick, FYI I belong to no religious or political organizations,I am free to make up my own mind on any matter!
You on the other hand are bound up in a combination of handed down religious beliefs mixed in with mythology and for some reason afraid to think "outside the box"
To you the bible is some kind of "magic"book full of mysticism and language not understood by humans!
I'm made in God's image and fully understand the "big picture" from creation to paradise. No hidden or contradictory parts. No hocus pocus smoke and mirrors!
---1st_cliff on 5/8/10

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1Cliff, I believe that you are wrong again. It could be because you look at Scripture with a bias view. Only a mind that is convince it is not there will come to your conclusions and then say everybody is wrong and you are right.
A comparison of the Old Testament and the New T. passages proves beyond doubt that the Christ of the New Testament bears the title "Jehovah or Lord" in the Old Testament. In Zechariah 12:10, where Jehovah is speaking, the description is to be applied clearly to Christ. "They shall look unto Me whom they have pierced" Rev. 1:7 describes Christ in the same language. Again in Jeremiah 23:5,6, Christ is declared to be "Jehovah (or Lord) our righteousness"
---MarkV. on 5/8/10

1Cliff 2: Similar comparisons are found in other passages like (Ps. 102:12, 25-27, Heb. 1:10-12, Isa. 6:5, John 12:41). Christ is Jehovah of the temple (Mal. 3:1, Matt. 12:6, 21:12,13). And the Jehovah of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8). The fact that the term Jehovah was used of Jesus Christ is most significant as it affirms that Jesus Christ is worthy of the most ineffable name of God used in Scripture. This is confirmed by the New Testament use of "Kyrios" for Christ, the word used in this name regarded that Jew reading the Old Testament would substitute some other name for deity rather thatn to express vocally what the text actually said when it used the world Jehovah.
---MarkV. on 5/8/10

Lawrence, So you're saying God underwent a name change from OT to NT ?
I wonder what tunes you're listening to, certainly not the "New Song"Rev.5.9
Jesus "Christ" means Jesus anointed,maybe you'll explain "who" it was that anointed GOD!
---1st_cliff on 5/8/10

Yes I do have understanding. God In the O-Testament the name was Jahova. In the N-Testament the name Is Jesus Christ, again No other name given. It's All in His name, Jesus Christ.
The Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with the rcc are doing their best to get around it & they will Not. But they listening to the devil being like the pied-piper listening to his deceiving tunes, they will continue on.
---Lawrence on 5/7/10

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Cliff your cultic beliefs lock you into a frame of mind in which you are not able to independantly understand Scripture. You are akin to a faithful political party member who follows the party line. And as happens in political parties anyone who expresses views other than the party line will be booted out.

Conversely many of us here are not followers of man, but of God. We are not locked into any organization therefore are free to understand what Scripture says without any 'party' interference or control.

Listen to the Holy Spirit and He will speak to you. Further you last blog shows you attempt to underestand the mysteries of God through feeble human understanding.
---Warwick on 5/7/10

Lawrence For 4,000 years no one knew God's real name (Jesus) is that what you,re saying??? How foolish is that???
How did Jesus "beget" himself?
Jesus is his own son?
Jesus is his own father?
At his baptism he was a ventriloquist??

It gets sillier and sillier!
With all your knowledge "get understanding!"
---1st_cliff on 5/7/10

Jesus' Father is Almighty God YHWH, Jehovah.

Jesus said, 'It is YHWH (Jehovah) your God you must worship'. Matthew 4:10.

I agree completely with Cliff's comments. Jesus was the image of God his Father. Jesus was not God. "God is a spirit" said Jesus, John 4:24.

Jesus was not 'spirit', but 'became flesh'. John 1:14. 'No man has seen God', John 1:18.
---David8318 on 5/7/10

Knowledge, so you are here, 2nd.Tim.3 v 7.

The trin-teachings are here Matt.15 v 9, & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15, which was first started with the rcc the mother aposatae church.

Only 1 God & Jesus Christ Is His name.
---Lawrence on 5/7/10

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Lawrence, Jn.10.30. does NOT say the father's name is Jesus.
My wife and I are "one flesh" yet her name is Bonnie and mine is cliff!
Relatives have said to me "your father will never be dead as long as you're alive" I am the image of my father>you see me , you see him!
Trinitarians try every trick in the book to substantiate their false doctrine.
Doesn't work with someone with a little knowledge!
Isis Horus Set-Egyptian trinity
Brahma Vishnu Siva-Hindu trinity
Father Son Holy Spirit-Fundamentalist trinity !
---1st_cliff on 5/7/10

Thanks, Cluny, for addressing my question.
---aka_joseph on 5/7/10

John 10 v 30 this makes the Fathers name Jesus Christ. Phillip asked Jesus show us the Father, Jesus said to Phillip, when you have seen me you have seen the Father, The Fathers name Is Jesus Christ. Father-Son & The Holy Ghost & His name Is, Jesus Christ. There' No other name given.
---Lawrence on 5/7/10

Acts 1:8 Instructed the apostles to go
Acts 8:1 apostles Stayed at Jerusalem
how could they fulfill this "great commission" ?

---michael_e on 5/7/10

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Lawrence, Deut.6.4. The Father says His name is YHVH, Show one scripture that "says" the Father's name is Jesus!
Show one scripture that "says" the holy Spirit's name is Jesus!

Trinitarians have no idea what the name of their god is! Maybe Vishnu?
---1st_cliff on 5/7/10

\\To answer the question you have to know why they didn't go out to all the nations.
---michael_e on 5/6/10\\

Where did you get that idea?
---Cluny on 5/6/10

But after He rises again, He instructs His disciples to go out to all nations and baptise

To answer the question you have to know why they didn't go out to all the nations.
---michael_e on 5/6/10

How about this?

You come to Jesus and are baptized as He commanded, which is in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.


You can ignore this, and He will baptize you in the fires of hell at the Last Judgement.
---Cluny on 5/6/10

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1st.Tim.3 v 16. God The Father His name Is Jesus Christ, The Son's name Is Jesus Christ, The Holy-Ghost The name Is, Jesus Christ. It's ALL In That Name, Jesus Christ. There is No other name given.
---Lawrence on 5/6/10

What does that mean?? the law doesn't have a "name"
It's by "authority" of the law.
Baptizing in the "name" is the same thing.
The Son has a personal name
The Father has a personal name
The Holy Spirit has no personal name.

So it's by authority of Father Son and Holy Spirit!
---1st_cliff on 5/6/10

The fulness of the Godhead,Father,Son,Holy Ghost dwells in Jesus bodily Colossians 2:9. In that case "the" name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,is Jesus Matthew 28:19 for they are all within Jesus. The order to Baptize in "the" name of Father,Son,Holy Ghost is singular not plural. Later Acts 2:38 Peter ordered followers to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance,for the remission of sins. Johns baptism was one of "repentance of sins",Peters baptism is set up where the person repents before they are baptised and that baptism is for the "remission of sins" in doing,we're buried with Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 5/6/10

Is there anybody who can answer this as a disciple of the Word and not a from denominational church standpoint?

The Word is from Logos in which we get our word logic. Is there any logical thinkers based on God's Word out there?

Please do not quote the normal bs about God's logic v. man's logic. Otherwise, we shouldn't discuss anything. God gave us a book. This is one way we can meet him in the middle.

So, I will ask again: Could there be a third alternative to the two norms that really ecompasses them both?
---aka_joseph on 5/6/10

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The only scriptures I find for the so called Man-made trin-teachings is Matt.15 v 9 which came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 beginning with the Man-made rcc the mother apostate church. There is More of the Man-made relig-org's churches because of 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15. The Man-mades are like the scriptures, the thief & the robber trying to get into heaven without the wedding garment & was cast out.

There is less of The Church body of The Living God in the world that's according Mark 16 v 16 - Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20, the wedding garment. Fear ye not little flock for ye are the Fathers good pleasure. Strait is the gate & narrow is the way, be but few to find it.
---Lawrence on 5/6/10

Please listen to my question...I am not saying we get dunked in water and say, "I baptize you...."

I am saying after being "immersed"(taught) in the Word, "you are now 'baptized' (not with water but the name or truth) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
---aka_joseph on 5/6/10

I've been baptized by both the matthew & books of Acts way. most churches I know of go with the father,son & holy spirit. both ways to me are fine as long as you know why you are being baptized.God knows your heart.
---Candice on 5/6/10

The Majority of the churches that Baptize do so in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are three but one GOD.

The Oneness Penecoastals baptize in the name of JESUS only. Mainly since they deny the trinity as taught by the bible.

The use the shorthand written by Luke to actually disobey the command of JESUS on how to baptize. But as long as they can still speak in tounges they feel they can teach whatever they want since that is their true sign of salvation.
---Samuel on 5/6/10

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I know that baptismal candidates in some Christian churches are taught that they will be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. From my very limited sampling this fact does not generate a lot of discussion. Why? May be because being baptized is a form of rebirth accompanied by a renaming of the individual, according to his newly extended family.
---Pierre on 5/6/10

Cluny, I know it is baptize (not baptise). My flesh and keystrokes are not necessarily always on the same keyboard.
Thanks Lawrence and I agree. It is in the "name of" or the truth of. But, because of 50 word restraint, it was hard to phrase the question. Again, we have all heard the same issues over and over about water, fire and spirit, the trinity, who the commission was for, what dispensation...etc. I am not talking about that.

Baptism is always discussed in terms of water or "fire and spirit." But let's say that I witness to someone, and I teach them (the best that I can... for argument sake, let's say, I got it all right :~). Can I then say, "You are now baptized (washed) in the name of..."
---aka_joseph on 5/6/10

That is what Jesus said to do. Baptize in the Name (Not names) of the Father-Son & the Holy Ghost(man says Holy spirit). Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.
Read from Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 to the end of Jude & you try to find some one that was baptized in the titles, there is None, they All were baptized in the name of The Lord & the name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ.
The titles baptism (Man-made)Is False teachings & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 started with the rcc the first trin-church, then down through her offspring churches, the presby, aog, luth, episco, naz, cog, bapt etc., not in this precise order. These people need the enlightenment from God, some have , but have rejected it.
---Lawrence on 5/6/10

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