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John 1:12-13
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Again michael_e, is also about being BORN AGAIN. John also tells us in 1st John that WE are BEGOTTEN SONS through Jesus Christ, Begotten meaning BIRTHED by God, We can only be Begotten Sons through Jesus Christ through being BORN AGAIN.

Now Paul tells us that we HIS BODY, His Church, are JOINT HEIRS with Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


---kathr4453
We can read what we want into something, but if it is not there, it is not there.
If being "born again" were so important, why would not One of the apostles mention it as a requirement as Jesus said to Nicodemus.
The Body of Christ is not mentioned until Paul's writings and he mentions it word for word 5 times, if it was important or if they even understood it, they would have at least mentioned it.
If peter and paul were saying the same things why did peter have trouble understanding what paul said? 2 Pet 3:16
---michael_e on 6/11/10


michael-e..to TURN FROM is REPENTANCE, therefore one must TURN before one can receive

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


michael_e, In Jesus earthly ministry before going to the cross He prayed in John 17....I IN THEM, and thou in me is the BODY of Christ, as also stated in Col 1:24-27 AND Col 3:1-4, hidden with God IN CHRIST,) the Mystery is CHRIST IN YOU the Hope of GLORY..can't be any clearer than that... also stated by Christ in John 17.

1 Cor 15, Romans 6-8 defines what Born Again is.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


kathr4453n
I asked a simple question

Is their scripture other than John 3 Jesus speaking to a leader of Israel Or 1 Peter writing to the scattered jewish believers that they must be born again??

WITH THE SAME GOSPEL(added by you)!!!
Another question, show me scripture in pauls writings that he ever mentions repent and be baptised?
Another question show me in Christ's earthly ministry or the writings of Peter, James, John or Jude or the OT where3 the Body of Christ is mentioned
---michael_e on 6/10/10


Michael_e,

What Paul preached was not only the same as the other apostles, but was sanctioned by them because he was with them.

Gal. 2:1-2: Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. V.9: and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. WITH THE SAME GOSPEL!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10




Is their any scripture other than John 3 Jesus speaking to a leader of Israel Or 1 Peter writing to the scattered jewish believers that they must be born again?
---michael_e on 6/7/10

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

michael_e, are you suggesting the Church does not have to be BORN AGAIN?

Jesus, the life giving Spirit, 1st Corinthians 15 is all about being BORN AGAIN!!!

1 Cor 15 is so outstanding in teaching what being Born Again is...also spoken to GENTILES!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


Most agree with the Bible when it says we are under Grace and not under Law. The book of John including the 3rd chapter is under Law.
Very important to note who is speaking and who is being spoken to and what the subject is.
---michael_e on 6/7/10

I disagree michael_e. The first mention of Jesus coming in GRACE and truth is in John.

All of John including the prayer in John 17 is about the mystery of ONENESS with God in Christ...Abide in me, and I in you.

Being Glorified and sharing God Glory is only promised to the CHURCH/ the Mystery, first spoken in John 17.

St. John is 100% GRACE!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/9/10


Heb. 8:9 Not according to the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I took them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not continue in My covenant" Seems to me many of Israel did not make it in. So far, not all have made it. "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God and they shall be My people." So far this new Covenant all people who are born of the Spirit whether Jews or Gentiles or included. Israel My elect, Isaith 45:4 In the New Testament Paul also called true believers in the Messiah-both Jews and Gentiles the "elect of God" Col. 3:11-12.
---MarkV. on 6/9/10


My favorite scripture and I see that most still don't SEE

These two words SEE and ENTER denote the importance of the dot and tittle. ...---tsquare21 on 6/7/10

Here is another one on laws, some self annointed milkv bottle teachers avoid, that ties scripture together...it's for sheep who search and see and applies too.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 6/9/10


Tsquare, sorry to disagree with you whole heartly even though it is your favorite passage. First, the lost do not see anything spiritual. The natural man cannot discern spiritual matters so he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Second Born again and born of water and spirit means the same thing. And in that passage it clearly says they can enter the kingdom of heaven.
Third, you say "you have to obey verse 5" we are not made born again by obeying. We are brought by God from darkness into the light by God the Holy Spirit. He draws us to Himself, and then gives us to Christ who saves us by His atonement. At rebirth we are made a new creation. We don't obey to become a new creation.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10




Most agree with the Bible when it says we are under Grace and not under Law. The book of John including the 3rd chapter is under Law.
Very important to note who is speaking and who is being spoken to and what the subject is.
---michael_e on 6/7/10


Trav, I believe if you read the Scriptures in allow the Spirit to bring revelation to His Word you will discern what is spiritual and what is physical.
----markv 6-07-10

Through scripture I discern you and your unsupported doctrine.
Thinking you are clever,scripture exposes you every time.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Jeremiah 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Hmm. Sound physical.
---Trav on 6/7/10


My favorite scripture and I see that most still don't SEE

The important word of John 3:3 is not born again but SEE the kingdom. When one is born again all one is guaranteed is that one should be able to SEE the way to the promise. You have to obey John 3:5 in order to enter the kingdom.

These two words SEE and ENTER denote the importance of the dot and tittle. If you want to continue believing what every they teach be born again and look there is heaven. However if you have plans to enter heaven you better make sure that you are Baptized and filled with the Spirit.
---tsquare21 on 6/7/10


Is their any scripture other than John 3 Jesus speaking to a leader of Israel Or 1 Peter writing to the scattered jewish believers that they must be born again?
---michael_e on 6/7/10


David, sorry your test is wrong. John 3:9-10 is one of two passages that use the words born again or born of water and spirit, but many other names are given for born again. New Birth, Delievered, regeneration, transformation, new creation, etc. Regeneration is the theological term use to discribe "rebirth." It refers to a new regenerating, a new genesis, a new beginning. It is more then turning a new leaf, it marks the beginning of a new life in a radically renewed person. Peter speaks of believers "having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible , through the word of God which lives and abides forever" (1 Peter 1:23). A person does not stop sinning, yet he is no longer a slave to sin.
---MarkV. on 6/6/10


There is one clear passage in the Bible that gives us the Answer to what is meant by being born again, and that is in 1st John 3:9-10.
When one is born of God, they are born again.
How do we know if we are born of God?
We do not sin.
---david on 6/6/10


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Aka, again thank you for your answers. Sometimes I stick my neck out when I read something and sometimes I get it wrong what was said. I apologize for misunderstanding your post. I guess my post had something good in it, explaining the word "Delivered" which it may help someone. If not, its ok because I learn a lot by looking up words. Peace brother in the name of the Lord.
---MarkV. on 6/4/10


MarkV, please do not be sorry. I can see how I first wrote was questionable. and you did. thank you.

Linda, I cannot figure it out. But, if it comes down to vote counts, I will be at one blog at a time until Jesus returns. :~)
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


aka.joseph, I have the same problem getting more than one blog to go through consecutively. I responded to one the other day and followed it up with an apology to Catherine right after it and the apology got left out. Sometimes I marvel.
---Linda on 6/3/10


Aka, your last exlanation is correct. I am really sorry I answered you. I was trying to point out something to you about what deliverance meant in that passage. I think I will leave it at that and move on, thanks for your answers. Peace I leave you.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


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Aka, when I answered you I answered to your statement,
"I am starting to see the difference between the two audiences and the ramifications of mixing the two. However, every individual, either via being born again or translated, must be delivered."
My point is that all of the born again believers are translated only one way, by being born again. Delivered means been made alive, rebirth, been born again.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


MarkV, We all need to be delivered and some need grafted into the Kingdom.
So, again, what am I missing? Paul first used the word 'translated' not me. But, that is to get into the kingdom, first we need delivered. Let me check that again.

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

What am I not getting? (I only get one blog and others can do part 1, 2 , 3 ,4. Sorry that my blogs are a bit simpler and I have to say things in a succinct way, but I do not think the blog in question was a departure from the scripture.)
---aka.joseph on 6/3/10


Individuals baptised in HolySpirit are 'born again'.

They are 'joint heirs with Christ' (Ro.8:17) and number 144,000. (Rev.14:1) They will rule with Christ for the 1000 years. (Rev.20:4)

The 'Great Crowd' of 'other sheep' who are 'not of this fold' (John 10:16, Rev.7:9), who are not spoken of as 'joint heirs' will remain on earth and receive everlasting life after Christ's 1000 year reign. (Rev.7:14 and 20:5)
---David8318 on 5/9/10

Those who are baptized INTO CHRIST are Born Again, becoming members of HIS BODY. Only HIS BODY share as Joint Heirs, only those who are BEGOTTEN SONS, and are not the 144,000 spoken of in Rev. We are no longer Jew or Gentile but a NEW CREATION, having nothing to do with the 12 TRIBES !!!.
---kathr4453 on 6/3/10


Aka, Born of Water and Spirit is mentioned in John 3:5. Jesus refered not to literal water here but to the need for "cleansing" (Ezek. 36:24-27) When water is used figuratively in the Old Testament, it habitually refers to renewal or spiritual cleansing, especially when used in conjunction with "Spirit" (Numbers 19:17, Ps. 51:9,10, Isa.32:15, 44:3-5, 55:1-3, Jer. 2:13, Joel 2:28,29). Thus Jesus made reference to the spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation (Eph. 5:26, Titus 3-5), required for belonging to His kingdom. Nicodemus knew the the Old Testament very well.
Born of water, (cleansing) and the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


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Delivery is everywhere in the OT. ...to be born requires water delivery, to be born again requires Spirit delivery.

Some are 'born again' to the Kingdom, some are translated.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10

I guess I do not understand what the issue is. at first, i talk about delivery (everybody) and then I talk about the Kingdom.

So, what am I missing?
---aka.joseph on 6/3/10


Aka, the passage starts with us been delivered from the power of darkness. This is the Drawing of God. When He brings brings us to the light so we can see, hear and understand. What is called born of the Spirit. An action by God because we cannot bring Spiritual life to ourselves, the Spirit has to do that. The word "deliver" is "Ruomal" Properly denotes to draw with force and violence, to drag, pull, meaning to deliever or to draw from danger, or calamity and to liberate. After we are delivered or born again, then we are translated into His kingdom. The word "translate" means, "Methistemi" denoting change of place. To remove, to translate into the kingdom of the Son of God (Col. 1:13).
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


Aka 2: In conclusion, we are delivered by God, and later translate into His Son's kingdom. Only one way into the Kingdom, you must be born again. No one who is not born again can enter heaven. The word born again, has many different names, Regeneration (Titus 3:5) Spiritual resurrection (Eph 1:19,20), A calling out (1 Peter 2:9) , A passing from death unto life ( John 5:24), a new birth (John 3:3), a making alive (Col. 2:13), a taking away of the heart of stone and giving of a heart of flesh (Ezek 11:19), and the subject of the change is said to be a New creation (2 Cor. 5:17)
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


MarkV.

Paul was to carry this new message of grace to the Gentiles.Clearly two different gospels mentioned.Gal 2:7,8(gospel of not to) Paul in Gal. 1:11,12 tells how he received his gospel.

Some say Pauls gospel to the BoC 1Cor.15: 1-4 (Faith + 0) was the same as Peters to Israel, Acts 2:36-38.3:12-20 (Faith +something)

1. If it were the same Paul wouldn't need a special revelation.
2.Paul calls the gospel he preached my gospel Rom. 16:25, 2:16.
3. The my gospel Paul preached is referred to as kept secret since the world began (Rom. 16:25, I Cor. 2:7,8, Eph. 3:9, Col. 1:26).
The gospel Peter preached is referred to as being known since the world began (Matt. 25:34, Luke 1:67-70, Acts 3:21,24).
---michael_e on 6/3/10


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MarkV,

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

We were talking about salvation. Being one requires delivery (or being born again) and translation (being grafted) into the Kingdom.
---aka.joseph on 6/3/10


Aka, Where on earth did you get that some are born again and others are translated? How did you ever come out with that? Do you not know what born again means? All who enter heaven are born again. No one can enter the kingdom of God without been born again of the Spirit. The Scriptures call it regeneration (Titus 3:5) a spiritual resurrection which is wrought by the same mighty power with which God wrought in Christ when He raised Him from the dead (Eph. 1:19,20) "A calling out" of darkness into God's marvelous light (1Peter 2:9).
I know you and michael e are having this great discussion, but where is the Truth? michael, there is only one gospel. Not many.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


There is no reference to Israel at all here. Peter is speaking as an apostle of Jesus Christ, to (1Pe 1:1) the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia... who would have had no special interest in the nation of Israel. ---Donna66 on 5/31/10
Donna66, actually the context is Israel. 2nd chapter. Chosen,royal priesthood/sheep/not a people etc. The key word is scattered/strangers found in the old Covenant books. It was pointed out to me....that everything is fulfilled in prophecy. This is just one part.
Ezekiel 34:6
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
---Trav on 6/2/10


And as long as we keep it in the context of salvation is for all, the word even becomes richer if we drop the mish-mashed Gospels.
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10
I didn't take it as a challenge.
What I'm saying is
Salvation by the Gospel of Grace is Now for all, Salvation by the Kingdom Gospel as presented by Christ in His earthly ministry and offered by Peter to Israel at Pentacost was not for all.
---michael_e on 6/2/10


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michael_e,

I hope that you did not take my question as a challenge to what you posted, I was going for clarification.

I am starting to see the need for separation. I totally see what you are saying. And as long as we keep it in the context of salvation is for all, the word even becomes richer if we drop the mish-mashed Gospels.
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10


This Salvation is freely given to the people of the Kingdom, who still reject Christ, and the body of Christ.

Is that what you are saying?
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10
aka, salvation is freely available to whosoever accepts the finished work of the cross. The problem I see is when we try to add to His already finished work. Acts 15, Gal.2

I see the Gospel of the Kingdom(on earth that Israel was looking for) still being preached although it was part of time past that Paul speaks of. I also see Paul's simple Gospel of the Grace of God, which Paul speaks of as heavenly, being added to.
The difference in Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace is Law and Grace, they don't mix.
---michael_e on 6/2/10


michael_e, You make a good point. Since the authorship of 1 Peter is debated, depending on what side you stand, Peter or Paul, let's give it to Peter, who would be addressing the Kingdom and not the body. In Rev 7 it says, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

I am starting to see the difference between the two audiences and the ramifications of mixing the two. However, every individual, either via being born again or translated, must be delivered. It is one Salvation that belongs to God (Kingdom)and the Lamb (the corporate church of Jesus Christ). This Salvation is freely given to the people of the Kingdom, who still reject Christ, and the body of Christ.

Is that what you are saying?
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10


Where is the Body of Christ, told you must be "born again"
In John the gospel, preached is the kingdom gospel (repent the kingdom of heaven is at hand), which isn't the gospel we preach
today for salvation. We preach Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again

Matt 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
I Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
How can we tell the (Body of Christ) you must be born again?
---michael_e on 6/1/10


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Michael e -- the gospel of John is not the ONLY place we see the phrase "born again".

The apostle Peter used the same terminology when he said:
(1Pe 1:23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

There is no reference to Israel at all here. Peter is speaking as an apostle of Jesus Christ, to (1Pe 1:1) the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia... who would have had no special interest in the nation of Israel. The context shows he is speaking of believers in Christ.
---Donna66 on 5/31/10


Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Delivery is everywhere in the OT. Also, to be born requires water delivery, to be born again requires Spirit delivery.

Some are 'born again' to the Kingdom, some are translated.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


At some point Paul would have had to pass this "Born Again" on to Gentiles, but we never see this phrase again. Possibly when Christ told this leader of the Jews, he should know these things,He was referring to Exodus when Israel was physically born.
---michael_e on 5/31/10


Jesus talks directly to Jews, throws bones to Gentiles, and convinces Paul (the Jew of Jews)to spread the Good News (that had been rejected by His own people) to the Gentiles also, which brings us back to John 3:15-21.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


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A good question, who is born again?
Mentioned once in scripture Who is speaking? Jesus. Who is He speaking to? Nicodemus, ruler of the Jews. What are they talking about? Vs 10 says they are talking about Israel.
---michael_e on 5/30/10


---Who is born again?

Whoever hears, "Well done good and faithful servant."

---Who is born NOT again?

Workers of iniquity whether or not that they do great things in Jesus' name.

---For us, what is a pretty good indicator?

If works of the flesh (iniquity) are replaced by fruits of the Spirit Gal 5.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10


Job 19:26 And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands, and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
---micha9344 on 5/16/10


Rhonda,
John 17:14-16: "I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world."
John.18:36: "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."


Stop drooling over yourself and Yes, I believe that a physical flesh and blood "alive" man inherits the Kingdom of God.
---Nana on 5/15/10


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"The first verse says of a "man", not a dead man.
*****

hmmm then you confirmed my post

you believe that a physical flesh and blood "alive" man inherits the Kingdom of God which is unsupported by scripture

seeing the DEAD MAN will be resurrected to eternal SPIRIT LIFE and no longer have a flesh and blood body I fail to see your point

and this would also indicate that the future inheritance in scripture is really now even though death is not overcome UNTIL Christ returns to resurrect ALL from the grave?

no wonder religious christianity has been sold on this lie that they are actually saved now
---Rhonda on 5/14/10


Only those who have been saved by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, shall inherit the "Kingdom of God"
---catherine on 5/14/10


"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Says Yhwh, I will put my law in their mind and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they will be my people. A new heart also will I give you, and a new Spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Here I stand at the door and knock, if any one hear my voice and open the door, I will come into that one and will supper with that person, and that person with me. For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones."
---Eloy on 5/13/10


Donna5535,
Water is earthly, spirit is of the heavenly, two things which must agree in us. "Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." John 3:31: "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all." "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" Where are those things stated in the Old Scriptures?
Could I encourage you to read Isaiah 1:16-18 and compare it to "born of water and of the Spirit"?
---Nana on 5/12/10


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"Take off the old man" -- When Christ died on the Cross, He epitomized the death of the Flesh. His body died. Yet the Christ who was resurrected was of the same character, reborn in a body that could not die. His Mind, His Will, His Emotions became Eternal, and He could transcend the Physical plane, as He proved when He ascended.

Christ died that we needn't die in the flesh ourselves to attain a Spiritual birth. He has provided the way for us to remain alive on this Earth, carrying the Spiritual US within the Physical US. By this Spiritual power, we can spiritually influence those around us, and show others how they too, can experience a spiritual rebirth...something we cannot do once our Physical bodies have succumbed to death.
---Elaine on 5/11/10


Donna5535,
What do you mean by "To be Born again means the first time you are born of the flesh."
---Nana on 5/10/10

Nana, Jesus and Nickodemus had this conversation. What I mean by born of the flesh is that we were born the first time from our mother's womb which is flesh.

That's why Nicodemus said, John 3:4 - Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
---Donna5535 on 5/11/10


Paul said that through prayer the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ was for the purpose of his salvation (deliverance) from those who had him imprisoned. There is a principle there. No Spirit of Jesus Christ, no deliverance. Catherine, if you were indeed shown such things as people going to hell, having the mind of a five year old, and whatnot, it was for the purpose of prayer and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, not to be broadcast over the internet. If the Spirit of Jesus Christ was ministered, those people would be delivered, not bound.
---Linda on 5/10/10


Rhonda,
Once more:
"The first verse says of a "man", not a dead man. When is that man born of water, after death, as a spirit? What good is water to a spirit? What does it mean, "the hour cometh, and now is,..."?"

Donna5535,
What do you mean by "To be Born again means the first time you are born of the flesh."
---Nana on 5/10/10


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What a great satement this is. "You say that God is the only one who knows, the Bible says we can know. God would never be so cruel as to leave us without security, assurance, or confidence. If God says one thing and you say another, who is right? And who needs the mind renewed? Do you actually READ your Bible? Truthfully, your answers here of late and your unwillingness to supply the Spirit AND the Word makes me wonder. I don't doubt you are saved. I do wonder how much you believe your word is more truth that God's."
---Linda on 5/10/10
---mima on 5/10/10


\\NOT MANY! In-fact, I believe the longer I stay in this world, the more that I, myself, will realize just how few are truly chosen by God to spend eternity with Him.
---catherine on 5/8/10\\

And of course, you NEVER doubt for a second that you are among those chosen few, catherine.

This must be a great comfort to you.
---Cluny on 5/10/10


Fred, my neighbor. He has a bumper sticker that says so.
---atheist on 5/10/10


" Also, really, God is the only person who knows who will actually make it to heaven."

1 John 5:13 tells us that we can know we have eternal life. Also there is the Spirit that bears witness with my spirit that I am one of His. You say that God is the only one who knows, the Bible says we can know. God would never be so cruel as to leave us without security, assurance, or confidence. If God says one thing and you say another, who is right? And who needs the mind renewed? Do you actually READ your Bible? Truthfully, your answers here of late and your unwillingness to supply the Spirit AND the Word makes me wonder. I don't doubt you are saved. I do wonder how much you believe your word is more truth that God's.
---Linda on 5/10/10


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tom2>>>>I looked up Chapter 5, the Sermon on the mount, The Beatitudes, as I looked them over, it seems to me that 10,11, and 12, is surely lacking today. Satan will not mess with his own followers. It seems they have it the easiest in this world. Satan's followers, that is. Also, really, God is the only person who knows who will actually make it to heaven. Lets hope you and I do. After the new birth, that is only the beginning, and not the end.
---catherine on 5/10/10


Me, I am...but I know that's not what you meant.

To be Born again means the first time you are born of the flesh. The second birth (Born Again) means you are born of the Spirit. Your spirit becomees alive unto God through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit then resides in you and works in you The Father's will.

Before being born again, man's spirit is dead, stagnant. His Holy Spirit comes to make His dwelling in you, thus you become a temple of the Holy Ghost and your spirit becomes alive unto God.
---Donna5535 on 5/10/10


catherine,the problem is most born again christians live without the be attittudes jesus mentioned in matthew chapter 5
---tom2 on 5/9/10


Individuals baptised in HolySpirit are 'born again'.

They are 'joint heirs with Christ' (Ro.8:17) and number 144,000. (Rev.14:1) They will rule with Christ for the 1000 years. (Rev.20:4)

The 'Great Crowd' of 'other sheep' who are 'not of this fold' (John 10:16, Rev.7:9), who are not spoken of as 'joint heirs' will remain on earth and receive everlasting life after Christ's 1000 year reign. (Rev.7:14 and 20:5)
---David8318 on 5/9/10


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Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, a new spirit will I put within you: I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, I will give you an heart of flesh.
Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
1Jhn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
---micha9344 on 5/8/10


...ONLY scripture contains truth ...so if one is not quoting scripture [as a whole and in context] or is offended by those who do [not then then WHICH TRUTH do they serve? Jesus refuted A LOT of Scripture that was misused or misquoted. There are too many to list, so I will start with Jesus' temptation in the desert Mat 4:1-11.

Now, that brings me to my last point: isn't saying "Jesus' temptation in the desert" the same thing as quoting "Mat 4:1-11?"
---aka_joseph on 5/8/10


Nana

flesh and blood DO NOT inherit the Kingdom of God

religious christianity ignores and dismisses scripture to SELL fables LIES that you are a spirit being NOW and somehow left your physical body and are incapable of DYING which of course dismisses the resurrection of ALL by Christ

1Corin 15:44,50-51
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
---Rhonda on 5/8/10


Catherine:Wow!Use much caution in making such comments."In what ever you judge another you shall be judged"."Do not say who will ascend into heaven..and do not say who will descend into hell.""Judge nothing before the time"."To the pure,all things are pure but to the defiled,nothing is pure".InRevelations,John looked up and saw"a number that no man could count".Yes, some will fall away from the faith and many will never find the way but God has many children and it is He that will cause them to stand in His timing.We are saved by"grace through faith"and His love,patience and plans are incomprehensible.Only God knows the hearts and intentions of a man and He is very forgiving.He is Love.
---jody on 5/8/10


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Rhonda,
John 3:5: "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 4:23-24: "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The first verse says of a "man", not a dead man. When is that man born of water, after death, as a spirit? What good is water to a spirit? What does it mean, "the hour cometh, and now is,..."?
---Nana on 5/8/10


NOT MANY! In-fact, I believe the longer I stay in this world, the more that I, myself, will realize just how few are truly chosen by God to spend eternity with Him.
---catherine on 5/8/10


processes of physical birth: sowing, nurturing, and delivering. Then, birthing. My birthday was on the day that I was physically born. The evidence of good growth is a healthy heartbeat, proper size at certain stages, activity levels, etc.

processes of spiritual birth: sowing, nurturing, and delivering. Then, rebirth. My spiritual birthday will be the day that I am spiritually re-born. The evidence of good growth is love, kindness, patience, etc.

The verdict is not out whether my spirit will be born still or whether my spirit will be born alive in Jesus Christ. Hopefully, I am not part of the 'many' that consider themselves 'pre-born again' just to find out that they are really workers of iniquity instead.
---aka_joseph on 5/8/10


born again is promise of a future inheritance ...when promise of eternal life is given to those who are resurrected at Christs return and those who obeyed become sons of God in millennium

born again to spirit ...when we are no longer physical flesh that will die

we are resurrected from physical death to live eternally and reign as kings and priests with Christ on earth in Gods Kingdom

most of religious christianity accepts mans created idea that born again happens in flesh and by accepting this idea they DENY and REJECT Truth in scripture of the resurrection of all to Christ

we are not resurrected to flesh we are resurrected and born again as spirit beings

flesh and blood do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God
---Rhonda on 5/7/10


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praise God and jesus,IAM A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER AND FOLLOWER OF OUR LORD.
---tom2 on 5/7/10


"Salvation" (purification of the flesh)
and

...being "born of" (purification of the CONSCIENCE/OUR spirit) the spirit (MADE by the spirit)..

...are SUPPOSED TO BE a one shot deal. However, man does not treat it that way (because of the weaknesses of the mortal flesh).

Hebrews 9:13
"and bulls and with the ashes of a heifer sanctifies for the purification of the flesh".

verse 9..."which cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper".

Yes, that's right, the teachings of the 'church of man' have been insufficient and filled with discrepancies, lies, misunderstandings, and falsities since Antioch (Acts 11:26).
---more_excellent_way on 5/7/10


atheist
Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again, born of water & of the Spirit. Which starts here Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.

ALL other teachings Are Man-made beginning with the rcc. Including the god of the buddha, islam, hindu's etc.
---Lawrence on 5/7/10


Let's see now, KarenD is Born Again, and francis is BorM Again.

Humm. I think I stick with I AM BORN AGAIN.

Maybe if we pray, atheist can be born again also. Now wouldn't that be great!
---Gary on 5/7/10


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Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord (boss) and repents (confesses & turns from) of their sins, is born again.
---Leslie on 5/7/10


I AM BORM AGAIN
---francis on 5/7/10


Wasn't once enough?
---atheist on 5/7/10


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